Big Brown draws the rail

[jballscalls]

any thoughts on how this effects the big horse???

[Wickel]

How about the rest of the draw? Any surprises or late entries?

[Stevie Belmont]

I honestly like it. If they were thinking of sending him before, they might even consider it more.

Long race and plenty of time to get position. And he should have no issues saving ground.

How about the irony?

Post 20 in the Derby and Post 1 in the Belmont.

[jballscalls]

http://sports.espn.go.com/sports/horse/triplecrown08/news/story?id=3425557

[eastie]

If he doesn't break sharply, they'll cover him up so fast your head will spin and make sure he loses. If they could stop the Bid they can stop any horse. This will be a riders race Unless kent just lets him roll from the start and drowns them.

[Bubbles]

Technically, "they" didn't stop the Bid. A safety pin and a dumb ride stopped the Bid.

Does anyone know if the 2 has any early speed to speak of? If he gets gunned early, he'll box BB in.

[sandpit]

How about the rest of the draw? Any surprises or late entries?

Some guy named Fred Seitz entered a maiden named Guadacanal. I think the horse has run about five times. I guess he is hoping the rest of the field will decide to pull themselves up. The oddsmaker was kind to him and made him 50-1. If this horse hits the board in any exotic bet, there is gonna be a lot of confetti on the ground. Sure drives up the cost of hitting the "all" button on a super or tri.

[46zilzal]

Technically, "they" didn't stop the Bid. A safety pin and a dumb ride stopped the Bid.


Just like Ali's phantom punch knocked out Liston. Ronnie Franklin did most of it all by himself.

[Richie]

the 2 horse is a stone cold closer, a maiden, who lost his 2 dirt races by 40+ lengths

[sandpit]

Sorry, I spelled it wrong...it's Guadalcanal...still yechhh!

[joanied]

I honestly like it. If they were thinking of sending him before, they might even consider it more.

Long race and plenty of time to get position. And he should have no issues saving ground.

How about the irony?

Post 20 in the Derby and Post 1 in the Belmont.

I thought that exact same thing...from one extreme to the other:faint:

[joanied]

About the Bid...I agree, that safety pin was a minor thing comapred to Franklin's ride...the kid blew it big time.


The #2 is a closer...doubt he'll even break with the field...he's a damned maiden and I hope to the racing gods that when he does break, it's clean and STRAIGHT...he better not bump Big Brown.
If they can beat BB to the turn, they will ty to hold him down in there, but I expect to see this field pretty well spread out down the backstretch, so I think they'll have a tough time putting BB in a box or squeezed on the rail...
Kent D has to keep his head and ride a smart race...
as for gunning BB and letting him roll the entire distance....hhhmmmm...not sure ANY horse but Secretariat can do that... but wouldn't that be awesome!!

[Grits]

Sandpit, Fred Seitz, ain't "some guy." I'm surprised--you living in Kentucky don't know that Fred Seitz is the owner of Brookdale Farm, outside of Lexington, and he's been breeding fine racehorses for over 30 years. He has a huge broodmare band, and keeps some of his horses to race, training them under his name.

He runs horses here, and in Europe, and runs more often on grass than dirt. The man knows what he's doing. Not saying that his entry here will surprise everyone, but its a horserace, and we know how those can go.

And as far as long odds, some will remember Nolan's Cat who was owned by Ken and Sarah Ramsey, that ran 3rd in the Belmont, I believe Funny Cide's year. He too, was said to have no shot . . . still he ran well, and contributed to a fine trifecta.

Some guy named Fred Seitz entered a maiden named Guadacanal. I think the horse has run about five times. I guess he is hoping the rest of the field will decide to pull themselves up. The oddsmaker was kind to him and made him 50-1. If this horse hits the board in any exotic bet, there is gonna be a lot of confetti on the ground. Sure drives up the cost of hitting the "all" button on a super or tri.

[eastie]

Just like Ali's phantom punch knocked out Liston. Ronnie Franklin did most of it all by himself.

yeah, he took bid to the 6 path all by his lonesome ? Cordero didn't do anything to try to get him beat ?

[bigdawginva]

And as far as long odds, some will remember Nolan's Cat who was owned by Ken and Sarah Ramsey, that ran 3rd in the Belmont, I believe Funny Cide's year. He too, was said to have no shot . . . still he ran well, and contributed to a fine trifecta.

Indy Storm finished the SF in this 2005 Belmont. Funny Cide was 2003.

9 Afleet Alex Rose 4.30 3.60 3.00
7 Andromeda's Hero Bejarano 8.20 5.80
1 Nolan's Cat Arroyo 7.20

Winning Time: 2:28.75

$2 Exacta 9-7 44.00
$2 Trifecta 9-7-1 1,249.00
$2 Superfecta 9-7-1-10 14,219.00

[Grits]

Wrong year. Still, my point is long odds do enter the exotics, Ok? I'm sorry I didn't google the results first. Thank you for righting my error. I'm, indeed, grateful.

[bigdawginva]

My apologies for providing information.

[Dr.SwineSmeller]

It never hurts to have the opportunity to save ground at a mile and a half. In this case I say it is an advantage. Big Brown will have plenty of time to make a breakout move.

[Dr.SwineSmeller]

OK Zilzal. I have apparently been somehow locked out of the thread "Breeding Big Brown and Casino Drive. As evidenced by my three attempts to reply in said thread in which the text is eliminated. Probably a glitch.

So may I continue here:
Also:Cis-acting regulatory elements (i.e., on the contiguous DNA strand) may be a considerable distance from the coding region, e.g., 50 kb 5¢ and 20 kb 3¢ to the b-globin gene, thus extending the functional domains of genes and complicating the definition of boundaries

Much akin to throwing a bunch of marbles in a container and guessing which will come out in the new individual. Explains how siblings can be so very different.

"The independent assortment of chromosomes into gametes during meiosis produces an enormous diversity among the possible genotypes of the progeny. For each 23 pairs of chromosomes, there are 223 different combinations of chromosomes that could occur in a gamete, and the likelihood that one set of parents will produce two offspring with the identical complement of chromosomes is one in 223 or one in 8.4 million (excepting monozygotic twins). Adding even further to the enormous genetic diversity in humans is the phenomenon of genetic recombination."

From Harrison's Principles of Internal Medicine, 2000

All these studies that you present and fine and well and I fully accept all of these facts as laws of nature. All proven, I believe it. And I do enjoy the refresher course.

But now, allow me to break all this greek and latin root into simple layman's terminology that even a monkey could understand in the end...

Frenchie's term of "controller" gene is actually akin to the proper term of "regulator" gene, which = a gene that has some control over another [separate] gene. which = a "dominant or recessive or mutant" gene expression passed from the two genotypes to the phentype.

Frenchie's "operator" gene, which = one of certain genes believed (unexplained, not proven) to have a roll in controlling (or dominating) the actions of other genes, which = a dominant or recessive or mutant gene expression passed on from the two genotypes to the phenotype.

Also proper is "modifying" gene, which = blah de blah = look above.

Indeed somewhat related to the operator gene but totally separate is the "operon", because "Operon" is terminology accepted to address the genetic chromosomal make-up of organisms with prokaryotic cells, which rules out all animals, which leads me to me think Frenchie is in the left field bleachers and making stuff up in cross-references from previously defined terms as he goes along so to suit his case.

The debate into sub-definitions of gene transfer is futile. Due to the fact that it would all lead right back to the simple answer of genes are passed on either in dominant, recessive, or mutant fashion from a momma and a daddy to the baby. You are what you came from.

How bout this for my take of Frenchie's definitions...
Frenchie says: "Hey Bob, have you had gonadotropic induction of folliculogenesis?"
Billy Bob says: "What the heck did you just call me Frenchie?
Interpretation to Frenchie's question? "Are you taking drugs to make your bald spot grow hair?"

Anything can be made to sound, or look, bigger that it really is...

Dr. SwineSmeller
And P.s. If i wanted to impersonate a doctor, I wouldn't tell you I was a nurse. It's a screen name. Nothing more.

[46zilzal]

1965 Nobel Prize winning work on operator genes and this fellow still can't get it.

[Dr.SwineSmeller]

1965 Nobel Prize winning work on operator genes and this fellow still can't get it.

I understand all that Zilzal. And evidently you are too educated like my cousin Mark the engineer, because you are missing my simple point.

Let me say it this way...For an "operator gene" to be an "operator gene", it must first simply be expressed as recessive, dominant, or mutant to the offspring from the parent.

I understand all the extra gene talk just fine. I know the big words. They are easily dissected with a little knowledge of Latin and Greek root.

Just like someone stated in our war of attrition thread, it was too far out there for most folks to even give a dang, much less care.

That's why simple is often better. I like simple.

Dr. SwineSmeller

[46zilzal]

Partial penetrance says it is not BLACK AND WHITE. Linked genes often are not expressed if all of them are not there.

It is not the Mendel sweet peas with simple dominance and recessive here.

In real pedigrees of real people, inheritance of any trait (dominant or recessive) is often confounded by partial penetrance or by variable expressivity of a trait.

* Penetrance is the percentage of individuals with a genotype who actually show the trait. If only 80% of people with the genotype actually develop the trait, then you could pass on a trait without showing it -- even if the trait is "dominant"
* Expressivity is the degree of the trait. For example a genetic defect causing mental retardation (such as Fragile X) can result in individuals with a very wide range of intellect; and you cannot predict the degree of expression.

[PaceAdvantage]

Please confine your academic conference on dna splicing to the prior thread. Thank you.

[46zilzal]

Please confine your academic conference on dna splicing to the prior thread. Thank you.
Splicing never was a part of it. will do......

[Dr.SwineSmeller]

Please confine your academic conference on dna splicing to the prior thread. Thank you.

OK Pace.

That's a funny quote! I laughed hard. Good one. Very witty. SS

[PaceAdvantage]

Splicing never was a part of it.Yeah, I know, Mr. Literal. I just couldn't come up with the proper term, and I was too lazy to Google more info....

[eastie]

Technically, "they" didn't stop the Bid. A safety pin and a dumb ride stopped the Bid.

Does anyone know if the 2 has any early speed to speak of? If he gets gunned early, he'll box BB in.

Well "they" did a pretty good job stopping Big Brown yesterday. Zito is a great strategist, he had a good plan. Send one guy to the lead and the other to Big Brown's flank.