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LutherCalvin
05-26-2008, 08:46 AM
"My friends, we live in the greatest nation in the history of the world. I hope you'll join with me as we try to change it."

- Barack Obama

DJofSD
05-26-2008, 08:50 AM
Improvement involves change. However, the areas BHO wants to change are beyond his control.

Marshall Bennett
05-26-2008, 10:39 AM
... but change it into what ?

DJofSD
05-26-2008, 10:53 AM
... but change it into what ?

Good question.

I'm not sure I know what is his vision. He wants to take America somewhere but what is the destination and how we get there are the big questions. But whatever the journey, I do believe that at the end of it I'll have less -- less money, less freedom and a lesser country.

IMO, he has limited experience. His apparent lack of accomplishments does not give me confidence he can lead a country.

Light
05-26-2008, 10:59 AM
we live in the greatest nation

Greatest what? Greatest military,yes.Greatest in destroying more lives on the planet in the last 15 years,yes. Greatest in oil consumption,yes. Greatest at flaunting their muscles like immature adolescents,yes. Greatest in education or health care,no.

MONEY
05-26-2008, 11:07 AM
Greatest what? Greatest military,yes.Greatest in destroying more lives on the planet in the last 15 years,yes. Greatest in oil consumption,yes. Greatest at flaunting their muscles like immature adolescents,yes. Greatest in education or health care,no.
Every day that I wake up I thank God that I was born in the U.S.A. There are people on this and other websites that live here and complain about it all the time. Well you have that right & you also have the option to leave. You can't say that about many other countries.

Money

JustRalph
05-26-2008, 11:08 AM
Greatest what? Greatest military,yes.Greatest in destroying more lives on the planet in the last 15 years,yes. Greatest in oil consumption,yes. Greatest at flaunting their muscles like immature adolescents,yes. Greatest in education or health care,no.

so I expect you will be picking your ass up and moving overseas?

Lefty
05-26-2008, 11:08 AM
light, are you and Michelle Obama related?

Light
05-26-2008, 11:36 AM
Not saying there aren't any good things about America,so unfortunately for Lefty and JR,I will be staying. But the problem with the JR's and Lefty's of this world,is they feel pointing out major flaws to improve this country's internal and external standing is a form of treason. The real treason is people like JR and Lefty who constantly support the status quo rather than a progressive agenda because they are blinded by their own ideology.

Lefty
05-26-2008, 11:43 AM
Yes, I like the conservative agenda.
Ok, i'm intrigued.
light, what do YOU think is good about America? You keep on with the bad but now you can tell us what's good.

DJofSD
05-26-2008, 11:49 AM
The real treason is people like JR and Lefty who constantly support the status quo rather than a progressive agenda because they are blinded by their own ideology.

What is this, George Orwell 1984 double speak?

We need a no spin zone. Twisting words to fit your political agenda is typical.

Try again.

King Ritchie
05-26-2008, 11:51 AM
Obama is a dweeb (insignificant or inept person for the dweebs here).

I would really like to know his vision of America. I don't think he has a clue.

How about the other leftist dweebs here - what is your vision of America?

Snag
05-26-2008, 12:19 PM
Not saying there aren't any good things about America,so unfortunately for Lefty and JR,I will be staying. But the problem with the JR's and Lefty's of this world,is they feel pointing out major flaws to improve this country's internal and external standing is a form of treason. The real treason is people like JR and Lefty who constantly support the status quo rather than a progressive agenda because they are blinded by their own ideology.

Light, the problem is not trying to make it better. It's that the libs want to tear things down (the military comes to mind) and to increase taxes to complete the agenda. The American people make this nation great. Your "progressive agenda" is all about taking things we care about away from us. We've earned the things we have and don't want to give them up.

I know you don't understand any of this and there in is the difference.

DJofSD
05-26-2008, 12:24 PM
We've earned the things we have and don't want to give them up.

I know you don't understand any of this and there in is the difference.
"When you ain't got nothing you've got nothing to lose."

Marshall Bennett
05-26-2008, 12:28 PM
Greatest what? Greatest military,yes.Greatest in destroying more lives on the planet in the last 15 years,yes. Greatest in oil consumption,yes. Greatest at flaunting their muscles like immature adolescents,yes. Greatest in education or health care,no.
So please point me to perfection ... I'll move there . Until then , I'm happy here .

ljb
05-26-2008, 01:06 PM
IMO, he has limited experience. His apparent lack of accomplishments does not give me confidence he can lead a country.
Yeah, last time we had a guy from Illinois with this little experience running for President, his name was Abraham Lincoln.

DJofSD
05-26-2008, 01:16 PM
Yeah, last time we had a guy from Illinois with this little experience running for President, his name was Abraham Lincoln.

So what?

Is this what it comes down to, greatness by association?

boxcar
05-26-2008, 01:34 PM
Obama is a dweeb (insignificant or inept person for the dweebs here).

I would really like to know his vision of America. I don't think he has a clue.

How about the other leftist dweebs here - what is your vision of America?

Oh...haven't you heard? His "vision" is CHANGE. Of course, what he hasn't told us is that that change will be for the worse. He would certainly take America several steps closer to Totalitarianism. How's that for change!?

Boxcar

Greyfox
05-26-2008, 01:49 PM
Yeah, last time we had a guy from Illinois with this little experience running for President, his name was Abraham Lincoln.

In 2005 Barack Obama wrote:

"I cannot swallow whole the view of Lincoln as the Great Emancipator. As a law professor and civil rights lawyer and as an African American, I am fully aware of his limited views on race. Anyone who actually reads the Emancipation Proclamation knows it was more a military document than a clarion call for justice."

Source: http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1077287,00.html

Obama is a man obsessed for power. Heaven knows what he'll do in the Oval office.

King Ritchie
05-26-2008, 05:44 PM
I am not a racist or hate monger - I simply say what many people are actually thinking. As such Obama has NO change of being President of the USA. After all this is a man who thinks we have 57 states- or is it 58?

B HUSEIN OBAMA is a Black Muslim. He has links to Terrorists and the Communist party. He will support people like Cheveza and Iran's President. The question is what is Obama real goals? Want to know what he and his wife think - ask their 2 crumb crunchers - they have the key to what it is all about. When they sat in church with Obama and wife and heard all this Wright hating America and Whitie........ do you think Obama and wife told their kids not to believe it or did they support it? What do you think? Here in lies the answer.

46zilzal
05-26-2008, 05:47 PM
I am not a racist or hate monger - I simply say what many people are actually thinking. As such Obama has NO change of being President of the USA. After all this is a man who thinks we have 57 states- or is it 58?


Simple, just like you mixed up Chance with Change.

chickenhead
05-26-2008, 07:09 PM
Barak is a black Muslim....is that like he's black, and he's Muslim, or that he's a "Black Muslim" a la Malcolm X? He's half black, so if you meant the former, you're at least 1/4 right.

Links to Terrorists? The Weatherman guy? I'll give you that one. He did serve on a board with a guy that was involved with them 30 years ago.

Links to the Communist Party...you mean like the Communist Party USA? Or the old Soviets? Or the Chinese? Who is the Communist Party?

Lefty
05-26-2008, 07:17 PM
I knew lincoln. Lincol\n was a friend of mine. Barack Obamo is no Abe Lincoln!

Lefty
05-26-2008, 07:19 PM
zilly, just like you to all over Bush or any Repub or a member of this board that you disagree with, but give Obama a complete pass. Son, your socialism is quite transparent.

HUSKER55
05-26-2008, 07:40 PM
I think what really scares people is the constant fear of losing everything and having to start over. That fear comes from the fact that the USA never does anything. The Nicole, nothing happened, 911 and Osama is still on the lose. I dated a lady one time who said that if she had the right set of breasts and a cute ass she could rule this planet. (She was joking of course), But the reality is that over the years hookers and prostitutes have worked in government offices and we have seen a contant degrading of values and principles ever since because people played the word game instead standing by values.

Education now compared to the 60's is a joke which was a joke compared to the 30's. Throw in the fact that everybody says I am woman, I am gay, I am black, I am white I am muslim, I am christian and etc. and before you know it people start to wonder,...who is an American?

I am an American and I do not have to qualify a damn thing. My actions will be my judge. You should be the same as well.

We can't even control our own borders nor our own domestic air travel but yet our carriers claim air supremacy anywhere they are at. What the hell is that?

The only thing that will change if Obama gets elected is you will have to listen to his wife and Rev Wright rave and rant. He will not do squat. At worst everything on Capital Hill will be in dissarray when he leaves, but the PFC would know this difference how?

I pose this question, What will you do? If mobility is an issue, as it is for me, then the best we can do is promote dialog. For those of you God has given the gift of good health, What will you do? What can we do?

Face facts, this electin has precious few options, none of which I like.

Thanks for listening. I am not attacking anyone,...I am just disgruntled.

husker55

:)

ljb
05-26-2008, 08:46 PM
So what?

Is this what it comes down to, greatness by association?
Basically what I am saying is your inexperience argument is null and void. I hate it when I have to explain everything to these rightys. Guess it comes from their dependence on Rush's mouth for their thoughts. :lol:

ljb
05-26-2008, 08:48 PM
I knew lincoln. Lincol\n was a friend of mine. Barack Obamo is no Abe Lincoln!
Ha ha Lefty. You would be no friend of Lincoln. He detested intolerance.

DJofSD
05-26-2008, 08:57 PM
Basically what I am saying is your inexperience argument is null and void.
You would like to ignore the fact that BHO has not accomplished anything, wouldn't you?

You can try to deflect the examination by minimizing both the query and the source of the query but the fact remains, he's got nothing!

He's going to change everything but yet he has not an ounce of experience in changing anything.

Believing that something will happen when all evidence supports the contrary and going forth blindly means you're either very brave or very stupid. What track do you normally play?

Lefty
05-26-2008, 09:14 PM
so do i lbj, and you show it a lot. You're intolerent of capitalism and that's what makes this country great. I'm onl;y intolerent of communist and socialist that want to wreck our system.

Boris
05-26-2008, 10:11 PM
You would like to ignore the fact that BHO has not accomplished anything, wouldn't you?

You can try to deflect the examination by minimizing both the query and the source of the query but the fact remains, he's got nothing!

He's going to change everything but yet he has not an ounce of experience in changing anything.

Believing that something will happen when all evidence supports the contrary and going forth blindly means you're either very brave or very stupid. What track do you normally play?


Ah, come on DJ. BHO is so proud of his "record" :lol: , he posts it right there on BHO.com.

Barack Obama's Record

Housing: In the U.S. Senate, Obama introduced the STOP FRAUD Act to increase penalties for mortgage fraud and provide more protections for low-income homebuyers, well before the current subprime crisis began.

Predatory Lending: In the Illinois State Senate, Obama called attention to predatory lending issues. Obama sponsored legislation to combat predatory payday loans, and he also was credited with lobbying the state to more closely regulate some of the most egregious predatory lending practices.

American Jobs: Barack Obama introduced the Patriot Employer Act of 2007 to provide a tax credit to companies that maintain or increase the number of full-time workers in America relative to those outside the US; maintain their corporate headquarters in America; pay decent wages; prepare workers for retirement; provide health insurance; and support employees who serve in the military.

See! He introduced stuff, and called attention to other stuff, and sponsored some stuff, one time he even introduced something that would give tax breaks. Dude is loaded with experience.

Tom
05-26-2008, 10:21 PM
Obama has had a lot of experience, delaing with terrorists ( as friends) with racists ( as spiritual counselors) with traitors ( as a spouse) and with the mob ( as real estate agents).

Who else hve you seen get so dirty and corrupt so early in thier career?:lol:

jballscalls
05-26-2008, 10:56 PM
America is great!! does it have potential to be greater?? of course, nothing is perfect. Is BHO the answer??? only time will tell.

Lefty
05-26-2008, 11:14 PM
Yes, Obama has experience. That's why he is called the most liberal senator. He wants to raise taxes and cut bk our lifestyles cause the rest of the world not ok with them. I'm not okay with him.

Dave Schwartz
05-27-2008, 12:35 AM
Light

Greatest what? Greatest military,yes.Greatest in destroying more lives on the planet in the last 15 years,yes. Greatest in oil consumption,yes. Greatest at flaunting their muscles like immature adolescents,yes. Greatest in education or health care,no.

See how easy this is? You just click on Member List, then click on the "L" on the top, browse to page 3 and locate "Light." Then you click the link... and... THERE IT IS... right there on that line. It says, "Add Light to Your Ignore List."

Click!

Easy as that, Light no longer exists in my universe, which has just become a better place.

Try it. You'll find that your world will improve as well.

Guess I no longer see the light. :lol:


Dave Schwartz

46zilzal
05-27-2008, 12:42 AM
Being an ostrich, yup that really helps.

hcap
05-27-2008, 01:11 AM
I am not a racist or hate monger -

B HUSEIN OBAMA is a Black Muslim. He has links to Terrorists and the Communist party. He will support people like Cheveza and Iran's President. The question is what is Obama real goals? Want to know what he and his wife think - ask their 2 crumb crunchers - they have the key to what it is all about. When they sat in church with Obama and wife and heard all this Wright hating America and Whitie........ do you think Obama and wife told their kids not to believe it or did they support it? What do you think? Here in lies the answer.Seems to me your babbling proves exactly what you are denying. You are both a racist and hate monger.

Light
05-27-2008, 01:56 AM
"Add Light to Your Ignore List."

My only regret for being on his ignore list was that the quote he used from me is statistically factual. I would have preffered to have been put on his ignore list for stating lies rather than truths.

PaceAdvantage
05-27-2008, 02:27 AM
Guess it comes from their dependence on Rush's mouth for their thoughts. :lol:You don't actually believe this, do you? If so, then you are terribly misguided and ignorant.

Indulto
05-27-2008, 02:51 AM
The IGNORE facility is one of the most civilized concepts associated with this board, but only when deployed silently. Those who announce their decision with fanfare as a form of insult frequently strike me as intolerant and/or cowardly, and such posts generally reflect better on the target than the source.

JustRalph
05-27-2008, 03:24 AM
i think it is time to turn the user rating system back on...............

btw, this is America. You can choose to be a racist and a hate monger if you want.

hcap
05-27-2008, 07:45 AM
btw, this is America. You can choose to be a racist and a hate monger if you want.
You can also publicly announce it. And have it pointed out after denying the very same. Every one has the god given right to be a fool and not know it.

So what if King Ritchie is a fool? At least he is not a Commie :cool:

ljb
05-27-2008, 02:19 PM
you are terribly misguided and ignorant.
Pa,
I have taken the liberty of parsing your comment to make it appear as an insult to me. This is an example of what you did in parsing my original note. In the future if you wish to comment/ask a question regarding my notes please include the complete note.
Thank you for your continued support on this board.

ljb
05-27-2008, 02:29 PM
so do i lbj, and you show it a lot. You're intolerent of capitalism and that's what makes this country great. I'm onl;y intolerent of communist and socialist that want to wreck our system.
Lefty,
This note is just BS.

Hank
05-27-2008, 02:37 PM
I am not a racist or hate monger - I simply say what many people are actually thinking. As such Obama has NO change of being President of the USA. After all this is a man who thinks we have 57 states- or is it 58?

B HUSEIN OBAMA is a Black Muslim. He has links to Terrorists and the Communist party. He will support people like Cheveza and Iran's President. The question is what is Obama real goals? Want to know what he and his wife think - ask their 2 crumb crunchers - they have the key to what it is all about. When they sat in church with Obama and wife and heard all this Wright hating America and Whitie........ do you think Obama and wife told their kids not to believe it or did they support it? What do you think? Here in lies the answer.

:lol::lol:

ljb
05-27-2008, 03:41 PM
You would like to ignore the fact that BHO has not accomplished anything, wouldn't you?

You can try to deflect the examination by minimizing both the query and the source of the query but the fact remains, he's got nothing!

He's going to change everything but yet he has not an ounce of experience in changing anything.

Believing that something will happen when all evidence supports the contrary and going forth blindly means you're either very brave or very stupid. What track do you normally play?
You may be right here. Wonder what he would do if he were to get a PDB that said OSAMA DETERMINED TO STRIKE IN U.S. ? Play a round of golf ? Whacha think ?
Experienced politicians are what got us in the mess we are currently in.

ljb
05-27-2008, 03:47 PM
See how easy this is? You just click on Member List, then click on the "L" on the top, browse to page 3 and locate "Light." Then you click the link... and... THERE IT IS... right there on that line. It says, "Add Light to Your Ignore List."

Click!

Easy as that, Light no longer exists in my universe, which has just become a better place.

Try it. You'll find that your world will improve as well.

Guess I no longer see the light. :lol:


Dave Schwartz
And now Dave chooses to be one of the ignor(ant) ones, in the dark where he feels safer ? Hmm, must be getting warm in here. :D

Tom
05-27-2008, 04:06 PM
Funny how some people are acutally proud of the fact that others find them so worthless, vile, and disgusting that they choose to ignore them.

There is a lot of trash on this forum lately - well past time for spring cleaning. Old fish smells better than some of these threads lately. Trolls must have poor hygiene.

ljb
05-27-2008, 04:23 PM
Oh, did I hurt your feelings Tommy?
Any possibility you could create a list of the "trash" on this forum ? Or are you just spouting off at strawmen ? That is an old Repug method.

Tom
05-27-2008, 06:29 PM
I think you know who is on that list.

PaceAdvantage
05-27-2008, 07:19 PM
Pa,
I have taken the liberty of parsing your comment to make it appear as an insult to me. This is an example of what you did in parsing my original note. In the future if you wish to comment/ask a question regarding my notes please include the complete note.
Thank you for your continued support on this board.I didn't parse a thing. The complete sentence was reproduced by myself, and is clear in intent and meaning.

Your ship has sailed here. You have been reduced to nothing but a repetitive troll. No positive outlooks, no positive contributions, just negative, negative, repetitive, repetitive.

Dave Schwartz
05-27-2008, 08:39 PM
Tom? Tom? Can you still hear me?

Where did the others go? :lol:

wonatthewire1
05-27-2008, 08:43 PM
Tom? Tom? Can you still hear me?

Where did the others go? :lol:

...good one - I did that to Gore after he lost the election and its been smooth sailing

TrifectaMike
05-27-2008, 09:31 PM
I'd like to offer myself as Obama's running mate. I have a similar background.

I lived in several countries... my international affairs experience.

I was friends with members of students for a democratic soceity and was known to a few black panters...my domestic experience.

My wife hates America, and probably hates me too... a spouse with radical views.

I also want change... my vision for a new America.

I too have a controversial pastor... he molested children.

I too believe in a 58 state America... US proper and all latin American states.

I too believe in making Americans ill fed, cold, and poor... Parity with the third world.

Tom
05-27-2008, 09:32 PM
Tom? Tom? Can you still hear me?

Where did the others go? :lol:

I see dead people. :eek:

ljb
05-27-2008, 09:43 PM
The rightys on board here appear to have learned to use the ignore list from Bush, he had Osama Bin forgotten on iggy on 9/11.
ps. the Bush/Mcsame challenge is going public tomorrow perhaps you folks can get out of your ignorant state for a day and take it. :lol: :lol: :lol:

ljb
05-27-2008, 09:47 PM
I didn't parse a thing. The complete sentence was reproduced by myself, and is clear in intent and meaning.

Your ship has sailed here. You have been reduced to nothing but a repetitive troll. No positive outlooks, no positive contributions, just negative, negative, repetitive, repetitive.
I beg to differ, I just posted a positive note for the real conservatives here. I even posted a link so they can contribute to Bob Barr's campaign. Why are you so ornery lately ? Something bothering you ? Anything I can do to help you with your discomfort ?

Tom
05-27-2008, 10:11 PM
PA, I missed your birthday....here, this is for you!

ljb
05-28-2008, 06:35 AM
Tom,
Are you calling pa a troll ? This would be considered a violation of tos.... Oh wait you are from the righty side and have special rules.

Tom
05-28-2008, 07:33 AM
Spring cleaning....long overdue.

Spray Spray Spray

Light
05-28-2008, 10:20 AM
Ok, i'm intrigued.
light, what do YOU think is good about America?

They have the best horseracing.

TrifectaMike
05-28-2008, 11:26 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Lefty
Ok, i'm intrigued.
light, what do YOU think is good about America?



They have the best horseracing.

What is good about America is that you can make such a ridiculous comment and not be flogged for doing so.

Light
05-28-2008, 11:32 AM
I have a hard time believing any country would flog me for saying they have the best horseracing.

Lefty
05-28-2008, 12:14 PM
light, if that's all you find good about the greatest country in the world then you're just pitiful.

ddog
05-28-2008, 12:41 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Lefty
Ok, i'm intrigued.
light, what do YOU think is good about America?





What is good about America is that you can make such a ridiculous comment and not be flogged for doing so.

Burn 'em baby burn 'em!
Flogging's for sissies.


Way past time for the revolution.
get rid of all the chaff and weak sisters, spring cleaning on a grand scale so to speak.

What would you say are the things that could stand fixing here?
That is of course , the better question always, that's the only way anything is improved over time.

Most of you would seem to have been perfectly content in pre-revolutionary times here.
After all, so many things were great back then.

JustRalph
05-28-2008, 01:16 PM
Interesting Light used " They have the best horse racing"

This is so illustrative of what goes on inside his head............he doesn't consider himself a member of this country.

ddog
05-28-2008, 11:50 PM
also interesting was the link i got on this idiot Liz trotta(?) on Fox laughing about it would be better to kill Osama uh Obama well both would be better.

very strange times.

How one on a news show could call for such a thing and laugh about it.

if she had said Bush , I suppose she would be in jail now and should be.
Calling for the assination of a U.S. Senator, no big deal or she didn't mean it?
I am sure she explained it all away later.
They all do.

Not sure I have heard the outrage as opposed to the Clinton remark????

talk about your goons!

Lefty
05-29-2008, 12:25 AM
Yes, just plain stupid but if she had said Bush she would not be in jail. Someone wrote a book about assinating Bush and no one went to jail.