McCain supporters may be simians, but Obama supporters are something else entirely

[PaceAdvantage]

Official Obama blogger flies Communist Party flag
Campaign journalist's work appears in 'revolutionary Marxist' journal


In the same week the Obama campaign quietly removed from its official website a page managed by a fundraiser tied to the Islamic terrorist group Hamas, its official blogger has come under attack as a "hardcore Marxist" for hanging a Communist Party flag in his Harvard campus apartment and publishing in a self-professed 'revolutionary Marxist' journal.

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=62681

[boxcar]

Official Obama blogger flies Communist Party flag
Campaign journalist's work appears in 'revolutionary Marxist' journal


In the same week the Obama campaign quietly removed from its official website a page managed by a fundraiser tied to the Islamic terrorist group Hamas, its official blogger has come under attack as a "hardcore Marxist" for hanging a Communist Party flag in his Harvard campus apartment and publishing in a self-professed 'revolutionary Marxist' journal.

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=62681

Oh...here we go again with another ol' Lib-Commie lovefest.

Boxcar

[46zilzal]

So what. One person has NOTHING to do with what a friend or acquaintance does in life.

[Indulto]

Swift Boat politics or simply more guilt by asociation?

Could this be the start of "dirty tricks" plants? The real issue is what Obama stands for and not campaign workers with independent agendas.

Still, where were the fellow staffers who ignored the inappropriate behavior and senior staff that should have been on the lookout?

Hopefully enough people will see these "revelations" for what they are, but they will have battle tooth and nail with those intent on shouting good men like Obama down.

Regardless of which definition of "simian" you prefer, it is the definition of "serpentine" we must deal with now that we have all left the Garden of Eden.

[GuyMartini]

No worries, McBush will save us from those peace loving commie liberals. He'll rid MLB of steroids and lower the cost of prostate medication for his contemporaries.:jump:

[boxcar]

So what. One person has NOTHING to do with what a friend or acquaintance does in life.

Having problems connecting the dots, are we? Hamas supports NoBama, official NoBama fundraiser has ties to Hamas, fundraiser attends Harvard (a mecca for Marxist-leaning pseudo-intellectuals and such), flies the pinko commie flag in his digs, etc. You see, NoBama can't pick his family, but he surely can pick his friends, his pastors, political bedfellows and the boogers from his nose. Yes, sir, believe this: "bad company corrupts good morals".

Boxcar

[boxcar]

Swift Boat politics or simply more guilt by asociation?

Regardless of which definition of "simian" you prefer, it is the definition of "serpentine" we must deal with now that we have all left the Garden of Eden.

Er...not so fast, doc. Not all of us are under that ol' "serpentine" curse, even though we've all sinned and have fallen short of the glory of God. Some of us have dual-citizenships, as it were. We sojourn here in this dark, forlorn world while making our pilgrimage to the City of God.

Boxcar

[bigmack]

The worst news for Obama is that after wrapping up this Demo thing, he'll soon have to start talking about real issues and with all due respect, I think he needs to "hit the books" a little harder. Is it me or does he stumble around with some fairly large topics?

I'm sure he's a fine man though.

[rastajenk]

The RonPaulians tried to pass off their association with undesirables with a dismissive, "Eh, we can't help who is attracted to us." Ummm, yes, you can; that's what politics is all about.

The manager of Obama's Houston campaign office had a big Che poster positioned prominently in the office until she was told it was doing more harm than good.

That's a problem with having zealots as your base.

[Steve 'StatMan']

Hot Dogs! Armour Hot Dogs! What kind of kid eats Armour Hot Dogs?

Obama! Barack Obama! What kind of folks vote Barack Obama?

Doesn't have to be about what Obama tries to stand for. Who are the various types of people that really want Obama in, who is he going to have to cater to for his support, what must he and his party do to keep their support, and can he make them happy enough (who could?) given their ideologies, philosophies, social & taxation policies etc, and can they accomplish their goals without causing significant messing up the people and processes that keep the jobs and businesses going that deliver the wages, goods & services, and of course, the profits (rewards) for doing that.

So the 'whos' who support candidates and their motives are indeed important. One of these candidates is going to be the President of the Entire United States, not just the states they carry in the Electoral College. So, what does their support of various candidates tell us about what they expect from their choice for President, and are those wants/desires realistic, controversial, universally acceptable, achievable, etc.

-Edit/Addition: It is also a matter of the means, since many groups want the same thing, left, center, right, but the big difference, is, HOW to accomplish these things. - end Edit/Addition

Remember, big oil & military manufacturers seek good relationships with ALL Presidents, not just the Republicans. And the President also needs that good relationship to keep the country strong & safe, the cars, trucks and planes flying and the goods moving to the stores and the consumers.

[prospector]

Swift Boat politics or simply more guilt by asociation?




As a proud wearer of "Vietnam Vets Against John Kerry" bumpersticker on my truck, i'd like to point out that the swift boat ads told the truth...there were no lawsuits from kerry...many of us have not forgot what he said of his fellow warriors..

[46zilzal]

As a proud wearer of "Vietnam Vets Against John Kerry" bumpersticker on my truck, i'd like to point out that the swift boat ads told the truth...
Bull shit

[boxcar]

Bull shit

Then why didn't Kerry sue them for their libelous allegations? I'll tell you why: Because he didn't have a prayer of winning a lawsuit!

Boxcar

[rastajenk]

Has Kerry ever released his military records like he promised to do? No? Is it because there's more truth in the Swift Boat allegations than in his own mythical version of his service? No BS about that.

[Hank]

Then why didn't Kerry sue them for their libelous allegations? I'll tell you why: Because he didn't have a prayer of winning a lawsuit!

Boxcar

Kerry not fileing a lawsuit means the swifters told the truth?I don't know If they did or not but that is ridiculous.:lol: this off topic is better than tv.:D

[Indulto]

... Doesn't have to be about what Obama tries to stand for. Who are the various types of people that really want Obama in, who is he going to have to cater to for his support, what must he and his party do to keep their support, and can he make them happy enough (who could?) given their ideologies, philosophies, social & taxation policies etc, and can they accomplish their goals without causing significant messing up the people and processes that keep the jobs and businesses going that deliver the wages, goods & services, and of course, the profits (rewards) for doing that.

So the 'whos' who support candidates and their motives are indeed important. One of these candidates is going to be the President of the Entire United States, not just the states they carry in the Electoral College. So, what does their support of various candidates tell us about what they expect from their choice for President, and are those wants/desires realistic, controversial, universally acceptable, achievable, etc. ...Agreed. Are you willing to apply the same scrutiny to McCain?

[boxcar]

Kerry not fileing a lawsuit means the swifters told the truth?I don't know If they did or not but that is ridiculous.:lol: this off topic is better than tv.:D

It probably does because Kerry's character wouldn't allow him to not sue if they were lying.

And as it's just been pointed out, why didn't he ever release his full military records? Is he hiding something(s)?

Boxcar

[Tom]

Bull shit
And you would know how? He never released his records and he never rufuted the charges.

[46zilzal]

Isn't it strange then that all these separate sources debunked them? According to Wikipedia with references.

Several major newspapers were also skeptical of the SBVT allegations. For example, a New York Times news article stated, "on close examination, the accounts of Swift Boat Veterans for Truth prove to be riddled with inconsistencies." ABC News's The Note opined, "the Swift Boat ad and their primary charges about Kerry's medals are personal, negative, extremely suspect, or false." Regarding the medal dispute, a Los Angeles Times editorial stated, "Not limited by the conventions of our colleagues in the newsroom, we can say it outright: These charges against John Kerry are false." The editorial argued this position on the basis that "Kerry is backed by almost all those who witnessed the events in question, as well as by documentation." On August 22, 2004 The Washington Post reported: "An investigation by The Washington Post into what happened that day suggests that both sides have withheld information from the public record and provided an incomplete, and sometimes inaccurate, picture of what took place. But although Kerry's accusers have succeeded in raising doubts about his war record, they have failed to come up with sufficient evidence to prove him a liar."

The ABC television show Nightline traveled to Vietnam and interviewed Vietnamese who were involved in the battle for which Kerry was awarded the Silver Star. These witnesses disputed O'Neill's charge that there "was little or no fire" that day; they said that the fighting was fierce. SBVT supporters question whether these witnesses are reliable because they spoke "in the presence of a Communist official", but their account of enemy fire is substantially the same as that previously given by another former VC to an AP reporter and by the American witnesses, including the only SBVT member who was actually present that day, Larry Clayton Lee.

Built blown up HOGWASH.

[ezrabrooks]

Isn't it strange then that all these separate sources debunked them? According to Wikipedia with references.

Several major newspapers were also skeptical of the SBVT allegations. For example, a New York Times news article stated, "on close examination, the accounts of Swift Boat Veterans for Truth prove to be riddled with inconsistencies." ABC News's The Note opined, "the Swift Boat ad and their primary charges about Kerry's medals are personal, negative, extremely suspect, or false." Regarding the medal dispute, a Los Angeles Times editorial stated, "Not limited by the conventions of our colleagues in the newsroom, we can say it outright: These charges against John Kerry are false." The editorial argued this position on the basis that "Kerry is backed by almost all those who witnessed the events in question, as well as by documentation." On August 22, 2004 The Washington Post reported: "An investigation by The Washington Post into what happened that day suggests that both sides have withheld information from the public record and provided an incomplete, and sometimes inaccurate, picture of what took place. But although Kerry's accusers have succeeded in raising doubts about his war record, they have failed to come up with sufficient evidence to prove him a liar."

The ABC television show Nightline traveled to Vietnam and interviewed Vietnamese who were involved in the battle for which Kerry was awarded the Silver Star. These witnesses disputed O'Neill's charge that there "was little or no fire" that day; they said that the fighting was fierce. SBVT supporters question whether these witnesses are reliable because they spoke "in the presence of a Communist official", but their account of enemy fire is substantially the same as that previously given by another former VC to an AP reporter and by the American witnesses, including the only SBVT member who was actually present that day, Larry Clayton Lee.

Built blown up HOGWASH.

You are quoting Wikipedia on a Political Matter? Come on..I wonder who might have edited that?

[46zilzal]

look it up yourself.

[ezrabrooks]

look it up yourself.

That's not the point...you quoted Wikipedia...and who knows if the references are used correctly.. Did you check out each source before posting?

[46zilzal]

Read all about this crap.
http://www.factcheck.org/article231.html
http://mediamatters.org/items/200408250002

[prospector]

Bull shit
really?
if someone said things like that about me, i'd be ringing their doorbell and stomping a hole in their azz..he was wrong, knew it and slinked away like the little bitch he is...

[46zilzal]

really?
if someone said things like that about me, i'd be ringing their doorbell and stomping a hole in their azz..he was wrong, knew it and slinked away like the little bitch he is...
Your'e a riot but then there are those other idiots creationists out there too.

[46zilzal]

BBC: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/3587582.stm

[boxcar]

Your'e a riot but then there are those other idiots creationists out there too.

What do creationists have to do with the topic at hand? You must be really desperate, 46er, to have to reach this far. Gratuitous insults only affirm what a fool you truly are.

Boxcar

[Steve 'StatMan']

Agreed. Are you willing to apply the same scrutiny to McCain?

Sure. All candidates get viewed in this way, whether they or their supporters like it or not. Doesn't say what the candidate will do, but it does give some insight into the expections.

Frankly, one of the detractions from the Kerry campaign was a reaction to those who were so publicly for him - the works of Michael Moore and Rosie O'Donnell immediately come to mind, and the impressions of the MoveOn org. Gained support from one end but made an equally opposing motivation on the other end. Frankly, I don't remember much coming form Mr Moore or Ms O'Donnell lately.

Many fringe groups, farthest left, farthest right, radical groups of varying views and actions (legal, illegal, socially unaccpetable among the rest of society) are most likely never going to get all they wt. And for all of us somewhere in the middle, that's a good thing.

[46zilzal]

What do creationists have to do with the topic at hand? You must be really desperate, 46er, to have to reach this far. Gratuitous insults only affirm what a fool you truly are.

Boxcar
Folks who make up facts abound in many areas of discussion.

[prospector]

Your'e a riot but then there are those other idiots creationists out there too.
i must have hit a nerve for you to become personal with insults..
tell ya what....if i ever put you in your school locker in your younger days, i'm sorry...feel better now

[lsbets]

Folks who make up facts abound in many areas of discussion.

Especially in any discussion you are involved in. You have an amazing ability to create your own "reality".

[boxcar]

Folks who make up facts abound in many areas of discussion.

Be careful 46er. People like you who live in your own alternate universe should be slow...very, very slow to take up stones to be casting at glass houses.

Boxcar

[PaceAdvantage]

Your'e a riot but then there are those other idiots creationists out there too.BLUE FEATHER BIRD'S NEST!

[Tom]

Folks who make up facts abound in many areas of discussion.
They are called democrats.