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karlskorner
05-02-2008, 10:39 AM
CRC announced today on their site they will not be taking wagers on the Ky.Derby or the Ky.Oaks due to the dispute by the Kentucky Horsemen and the Florida Horsemen and God knows who else.

None of us where there for the begining of Horse Racing, but there is a huge crowd at the burial.
citygoat
05-02-2008, 10:47 AM
party up derby down

i want to bet churchull downs but my site with the twin steeple looking things doesn't allow me to bet the track that they base their name from. I guess the only sure bet is to short CHDN this year.
BombsAway Bob
05-02-2008, 11:41 AM
party up derby down

i want to bet churchull downs but my site with the twin steeple looking things doesn't allow me to bet the track that they base their name from. I guess the only sure bet is to short CHDN this year.
Is Trotters' Wife running TwinSpires?
"I don't know why you can't just watch the horses run without betting?"
kenwoodallpromos
05-02-2008, 11:43 AM
Horsemen= greedy morons who will kill racing.
shanta
05-02-2008, 11:45 AM
Welcome back Al Capone :ThmbUp:

:ThmbDown: to all the Adw's/horsemen/Ass backwards execs (Ian and Ptc notable exception). Like CJ posted elsewhere let them all figure out how to divvy up NOTHING when we take our wager dollars offshore. I'll add bookies to the mix
Tom
05-02-2008, 11:47 AM
That sucs, Karl - the NEW racing tradition - screw everyone.
Agree Ken - horsemen suck more than any party in this.:ThmbDown::ThmbDown::ThmbDown:
Bruddah
05-02-2008, 11:59 AM
Welcome back Al Capone :ThmbUp:

:ThmbDown: to all the Adw's/horsemen/Ass backwards execs (Ian and Ptc notable exception). Like CJ posted elsewhere let them all figure out how to divvy up NOTHING when we take our wager dollars offshore. I'll add bookies to the mix

I just posted this under the Ky Derby Boycott thread. Then I came to read your thread. You said it, for this old handicapper.I will be boycotting The Triple Crown series. The first time ever, I will not have a bet down. Just for the record, I want to play my longshot pick Visionaire. I may have to do it with my local bookie, but I can't get track odds. (10-1 maximum payout)

Can anyone suggest a good offshore with Track odds. Especially one which will allow me to set the account up today and bet tomorrow.
Premier Turf Club
05-02-2008, 12:19 PM
I was thinking of taking my son up there for the day since we don't carry CD, but I guess there's no point if PBKC didn't get horsmen's approval.
karlskorner
05-02-2008, 12:30 PM
Sitting here waiting to go to late CRC today and thinking, I have had a pretty nice thing going for the past 25 years or so. Pool in the morning, either CRC/GP in the afternoon and doing tomorrow's races in the evening.

With whats going on in the racing industry today it's depressing.
cj
05-02-2008, 12:40 PM
With whats going on in the racing industry today it's depressing.

For about the 3rd time in five years, we agree. :D
karlskorner
05-02-2008, 12:47 PM
Has it been that long ? I knew sooner or later I would win you over.
Fingal
05-02-2008, 12:55 PM
With whats going on in the racing industry today it's depressing.

I won't go so far as saying that I've had enough of this BS & will walk away from horses permantly, but now I can't even change ADWs to get the tracks that others don't offer.:bang:
Loosehorse
05-02-2008, 09:00 PM
http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/local/sfl-derby050208,0,4721888.story?track=rss
BIG49010
05-02-2008, 09:09 PM
They have this so screwed up, I say off-shore or no bets ever again, as far as I am concerned. I don't care which party are the greedy bastards in this case, I am going to be the greedy bastard from now on and either I win or loose with someone besides the tracks and the horsemen or I give up the game.
citygoat
05-03-2008, 11:31 AM
Now with the internet,the ability to not only screw the local patrons but everyone is easier than any track owner ever imagined.

Someone wake the owners up and show them what the game could be.
CryingForTheHorses
05-03-2008, 02:54 PM
That sucs, Karl - the NEW racing tradition - screw everyone.
Agree Ken - horsemen suck more than any party in this.:ThmbDown::ThmbDown::ThmbDown:

I think you are all being unfair to the horsemen,Granted you guys do the betting BUT we put on the show!!!! for you guys to bet..I see people bitching about what the track keeps in takeouts but no body seems to care if the horseman make a living..Calders purses are bad and the horseman needed to make a stand...
Tom
05-03-2008, 03:06 PM
Never forget, Tom, there are other shows.
Ones that don't insult the patrons.
Racing is just one option out there........

I can can change games overnight...can you?
BillW
05-03-2008, 03:16 PM
I think you are all being unfair to the horsemen,Granted you guys do the betting BUT we put on the show!!!! for you guys to bet..I see people bitching about what the track keeps in takeouts but no body seems to care if the horseman make a living..Calders purses are bad and the horseman needed to make a stand...

Tom,

How about rather than screwing around with bettors, you withhold horses from the tracks (remember it's between you and them, it's not our fault)
Oddzilla
05-03-2008, 03:19 PM
The squabbling parties in the ADW/horsemen mess couldn't even settle their selfish disputes in time to take advantage of what is by far the most profitable day of the year.
shanta
05-03-2008, 03:20 PM
Tom,

How about rather than screwing around with bettors, you withhold horses from the tracks (remember it's between you and them, it's not our fault)

Bang! We have a winner :ThmbUp:
Mr.Schell you and the rest might want to pay close attention to Bill's post.
BIG49010
05-03-2008, 03:28 PM
I think you are all being unfair to the horsemen,Granted you guys do the betting BUT we put on the show!!!! for you guys to bet..I see people bitching about what the track keeps in takeouts but no body seems to care if the horseman make a living..Calders purses are bad and the horseman needed to make a stand...

Without us McSchell, there is no show! The longer this dispute goes on, the more this will prove out. They run 9 races a day during our county fair with no wagering, and they might have 50 people in the stands. The one year they had parimutal wagering, they had over a 1000 a day. You still think horseman run the show?
shanta
05-03-2008, 03:31 PM
Bang! We have a winner :ThmbUp:
Mr.Schell you and the rest might want to pay close attention to Bill's post.

Btw for the first time in 20 years NO money of mine went into the pools today in protest. Went to Frankie and Angelo's this morning and bet the "old fashioned" way. Al Capone style. Food was great (free). Racing Forms everywhere (free). Rebates on winning Derby win tickets.

How much of that is gonna be spilt between the horsemen and whomever??

000000000000000000000000000
Kelso
05-03-2008, 11:33 PM
I see people bitching about what the track keeps in takeouts but no body seems to care if the horseman make a living.Why in hell should we? The owners clearly don't give two damns about the players. They're fighting hoof and tail against leaving enough chips on the table to reduce takeout or fund rebates for the players. The greedy bastards wan ALL the chips.

The horsemen are just as happy screwing the players as are the tracks. Let 'em eat oats!
Jeff P
05-04-2008, 12:11 AM
I'll make the argument that the ONE thing horsemen, tracks, and players should be trying to do is figure out how to GROW HANDLE. When handle grows so does purse money.... which means more money for the horsemen. When handle grows so do profits... which means more money for track execs. When handle grows so do betting opportunities... which means more money for the savvy player.

Handle growth as the industry's primary goal seems like a no brainer to me. Please, TELL ME WHAT I AM MISSING here.

I'm convinced one of the primary reasons the game hasn't undergone handle growth on the same scale as casino gambling and poker has everything to do with parimutuel takeout (especially on exotics) being ridiculously high compared to other gambling games. I'm also convinced that reduced takeout and/or widespread rebates (same thing IMHO) CAN be made to drive explosive handle growth if done in the right way.

Not only have track execs dropped the ball on growing handle - but they seem to be doing everything within their power to prevent it - fighting it tooth and nail at times (almost knowingly IMHO) hell bent on running their own industry into the ground.

Now the horsemen want a bigger pct piece of the pie. Thing is, if they get what they are after, reduced takeout and/or widespread rebates - and handle growth that comes as a result of that - becomes that much more difficult to achieve.

This whole infighting thing is a no win situation for all concerned. Doesn't anyone in this industry have one smidgeon of common sense?


-jp

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Tom
05-04-2008, 12:18 AM
I'll make the argument that the ONE thing horsemen, tracks, and players should be trying to do is figure out how to GROW HANDLE. When handle grows so does purse money....


-jp

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Speaking as a player, we are not the ones restriciting existing handle. It is the greedy insider SOBs. We know how to do it - just let us bet. Racing has no one to blame but themselves for ALL thier problems.