McCain vs "anydem"

[Tom]

Listening to him on Glen Beck today, several things occurr to me:


He is a third-string conservative, far down on the list of preferable cnadidates.
He towers over anything the dems have to offer.
It will be a joy to watch him make either Hillary of Barry look like fools in a debate.
His health care ideas are the first I have heard that make any sense in a long time.
His energy plan is very good on onehand and suprisingly short sighted onthe other. Still, a half asses plan trumps the dems assed plans.
It is a good think the 10 year delay of global warming came along - it will be increasingly harder to prove the nonsense in 8 years for the next election cycle ( two terms for McCain seems a given - the dems will be in a coma for 4 years when they blow this one - and they have already blown it!)
McCain needs to go to Anwar and see what it is we are talking about. An area the size of N Carolina and a drill site the size of O'Hare airport.

Still, after months of liberish, the first signs of a real campaign are sprouting. The dems are badly out classed by our scrub squad! :lol:

[ljb]

Tom,
Did you consider posting this under one of PA's fantasy threads regarding the recession?
1.yes
2. :lol:
3. Hope he can stay awake.
4.Anything that makes sense to you can't be logical.
5. Energy plan brought to you by Exxon and company.
6.McSame needs global warming his bones are old and cold. Will not last for 8 years in the cold.
7.McSame needs to go to Anwar and stay there.

Still after 7+ years of backing a loser, you have failed to learn anything.

[Tom]

Ah, the voice of reason.....Mr. "Have-a-cigarette-and-sign-this" offers his unique insights. Someone take notes.:lol::D:lol:

[Lefty]

lbj, so you have nothing cognitive. Just slanderous remarks with no substance.

[jballscalls]

lbj, so you have nothing cognitive. Just slanderous remarks with no substance.

Libelous remarks, not slanderous.

[ljb]

So sue me! :lol: :lol: :lol:

[JustRalph]

If McCain can win, it will be a miracle. But I don't know how the other two can win either..........at least not in the south.

It is going to be interesting. But if the Dems don't win this one..............what the hell do they have to do????

It will steamroll many Dems if they lose..........and be funny as hell to boot :lol:

[Lefty]

jball, i'll give you that technicality but doesn't excuse lbj.
lbj, not up to me to sue you, no need cause you exposeyourself. You present opinins from the far far left blogs and when facts get in the way you just make nasty remarks.

[GameTheory]

In this economic climate, it would be totally unprecedented for the incumbent party to win. It doesn't really matter who the candidates are or what any of their positions are about anything. If the Dems don't win, they should just disband.

[Snag]

With all the attention on the Pres race, does anyone have any thoughtful insite into the Senate or House races (lbj, you are excused from being thoughtful)?

At a point, Congress has more say on the home front issues than all the talk on from the Pres.

[ljb]

jball, i'll give you that technicality but doesn't excuse lbj.
lbj, not up to me to sue you, no need cause you exposeyourself. You present opinins from the far far left blogs and when facts get in the way you just make nasty remarks.
Lefty,
Tom posted his opinion after watching mcsame. I replied with my opinion. Get over it Lefty, life is too short. By the way how's Rushbo doing ?
Snag,
The Dems should gain in both Senate and House, praise the lord.

[Lefty]

lbj, I thgt Tom made a thoughful post. You on the other hand just like other unoriginal thinkers, post leftwing buzzwords like mcsame. Weak as water.

[JustRalph]

In this economic climate, it would be totally unprecedented for the incumbent party to win. It doesn't really matter who the candidates are or what any of their positions are about anything. If the Dems don't win, they should just disband.

excellent point :ThmbUp:

[Tom]

he repubs should divand - they have totally lost touch with reality and represent no one. By putting McCain on the ballot it shows they are a dead party.
They had the golden opportuinty to make real changes and they failed to deliver - they turned into a buch of bathroom-stalking, double talking, money gribbiong liars and thieves who mostly deserve to be shot. GD the republican party!

[ljb]

he repubs should divand - they have totally lost touch with reality and represent no one. By putting McCain on the ballot it shows they are a dead party.
They had the golden opportuinty to make real changes and they failed to deliver - they turned into a buch of bathroom-stalking, double talking, money gribbiong liars and thieves who mostly deserve to be shot. GD the republican party!
You got this right Tom, except the part where you say "they turned into......." They always were.
But don't worry. Latest rumors out there are Hillary is going to switch parties and run as a Republican. :lol:

[Marshall Bennett]

You got this right Tom, except the part where you say "they turned into......." They always were.
But don't worry. Latest rumors out there are Hillary is going to switch parties and run as a Republican. :lol:
.... and rumor has it Obama is going to drop out and join the Black Panthers .
:p

[ljb]

.... and rumor has it Obama is going to drop out and join the Black Panthers .
:p
And McSame is going to drop out and join the Grey Panthers. :sleeping:

[Marshall Bennett]

And McSame is going to drop out and join the Grey Panthers. :sleeping:
.... he's already a member . :cool:

[ljb]

.... he's already a member . :cool:
yes, but the rumors say he is going to be an ACTIVE member. :D

[wes]

CHANGE IS COMING







The buzzword of this election is 'CHANGE.' Candidates toss it around without

saying what they want to change to. Just that we need CHANGE!



This brings to mind the following illustration.



Years ago, there was an old tale in the Marine Corps about a major who

inspected his Marines and told the 'Gunny' that they smelled bad. The major

suggested that they change their underwear.



The 'Gunny' responded, 'Aye, aye, sir. I'll see to it immediately.'



He went into the tent and said, 'The major thinks you guys smell bad, and he

wants you to change your underwear. Smith, you change with Jones, McCarthy,

you change with Witkowskie, Brown, you change with Schultz ...'

'Change, now get on with it'



And the moral is:



A candidate may promise change in Washington ...but the stink remains!

[Indulto]

Obama on Meet The Press

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3032608/ (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3032608/)

I thought he did a good job, but I’m sure some McCain-supporting simians here will keep their eyes and ears covered. ;)

[PaceAdvantage]

I thought he did a good job, but I’m sure some McCain-supporting simians here will keep their eyes and ears covered. ;) I suppose it's all out war here now....throw civility out the window when it comes to off-topic?

I don't think so. I haven't stooped so low as to call Hillary or Obama supporters names of animals. You disappoint me....

[Indulto]

Obama on Meet The Press

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3032608/ (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3032608/)

I thought he did a good job, but I’m sure some McSame supporting simians here will keep their eyes and ears covered.I suppose it's all out war here now....throw civility out the window when it comes to off-topic?

I don't think so. I haven't stooped so low as to call Hillary or Obama supporters names of animals. You disappoint me....Simian From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia... The simians (infraorder (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Infraorder) Simiiformes) are the "higher primates" familiar to most people: the monkeys and the apes, including humans. Simians tend to be larger than the "lower primates" or prosimians.

… The simians are split into three groups. The New World monkeys in Platyrrhini parvorder split from the simian line about 40 million years ago (mya), leaving the Catarrhini parvorder occupying the Old World. This group split about 25 mya between the Old World monkeys and the apes. Earlier classifications split the primates into two large groups: the "Prosimii" (strepsirrhines and tarsiers) and the simians in "Anthropoidea"(an'thro-poy'de-)(Gr. anthropos, man).It doesn't surprise me that you found an excuse to be insulted rather than listen to Obama when he isn't being deliberately misinterpreted.

It's clear somebody made a monkey of himself in this thread and it wasn't me. ;)

[PaceAdvantage]

You bold the "including humans" part, but you don't bold the monkeys and apes part....interesting.

I submit that if any of the supposed righties on off-topic had used the same exact verbiage as Indulto to describe Obama supporters, they'd immediately be labeled KKK racists and the demand would be to ban them from the site....and any weak rebuttal lifted from Wikipedia would be not be accepted as some sort of excuse.

You still disappoint me....

[hcap]

I suppose it's all out war here now....throw civility out the window when it comes to off-topic?

I don't think so. I haven't stooped so low as to call Hillary or Obama supporters names of animals. You disappoint me....You gotta be joking.

You spout and allow others to spout off that liberals are terrorists, sympathize with terrorists, that MoveOn.com allegedly denounces US presidents in cahoots with terrorists, and you throw in mythical "four horseman". You joke that they have collaborated with Moveon and the terrorist organization.

There are many more than 4 anti right-wing posters Not all of us agree with everything each of us says. Do you or lsbets agree with Tom about indescriminatly nuking civilians?


Now you are criticizing Indulto for using simian? Very mild compared to what the "Four Bushmen" have used.Please

[PaceAdvantage]

I don't happen to agree with you Hcap. Sorry. Don't you understand what it means to be called an ape in the Islamic world?

And don't put words in my mouth. I have never said that liberals are terrorists, or that they sympathize with terrorists.

I hate it when people stuff words into my mouth that I never said.

[Lefty]

h'cap, but you all seem to use the same moveon buzzwords. Hmmm...

[Tom]

Simians, huh?
Well I'll be a monkey's uncle!

This monekey sees and hears exactly what Obama is.....no deliberate misinterpretation - just listen to the man and it isn't that hard to see. He is a smooth talkeer and has no substance. His ideas are flawed, his prespective is warped, and his solutions are ignorant. He is a liar, a racist, no integrity...... should this ape continue? Threw his grandma under the bus at first, then threw his pastor under. They guy is just unable to take responsiblitly for himself. To use his middle nmae is somehow supposed to be off limits? Why? Is HE ashamed of it?
The guy is a loser. Who talks nice.

[PaceAdvantage]

PS. Dictionary.Com definition:


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–adjective 1.of or pertaining to an ape or monkey. 2.characteristic of apes or monkeys: long, simian fingers. –noun 3.an ape or monkey.

[Indulto]

Simians, huh?
Well I'll be a monkey's uncle!

This monekey sees and hears exactly what Obama is.....no deliberate misinterpretation - just listen to the man and it isn't that hard to see. He is a smooth talkeer and has no substance. His ideas are flawed, his prespective is warped, and his solutions are ignorant. He is a liar, a racist, no integrity...... should this ape continue? Threw his grandma under the bus at first, then threw his pastor under. They guy is just unable to take responsiblitly for himself. To use his middle nmae is somehow supposed to be off limits? Why? Is HE ashamed of it?
The guy is a loser. Who talks nice.Glad somebody got the joke. :ThmbUp: Great cartoon BTW. :D

However, this sounds like a case of monkey see; monkey do. Do Clinton and McCain have middle names. Do they use them on a regular basis? What a pity someone like yourself who is capable of articulating meangful positions is content to focus on Obama's middle name.

I would have preferred your evaluation of his answer to the gas tax issue.

[Indulto]

PS. Dictionary.Com definition:


sim·i·an http://cache.lexico.com/dictionary/graphics/luna/thinsp.png // Audio Help (http://dictionary.reference.com/help/audio.html) /ˈsɪmhttp://cache.lexico.com/dictionary/graphics/luna/thinsp.pngihttp://cache.lexico.com/dictionary/graphics/luna/thinsp.pngən/ Pronunciation Key (http://pronunciation%20key/) - Show Spelled Pronunciation (http://show%20spelled%20pronunciation/)[sim-ee-uhhttp://cache.lexico.com/dictionary/graphics/luna/thinsp.pngn] Pronunciation Key (http://pronunciation%20key/) - Show IPA Pronunciation (http://show%20ipa%20pronunciation/)
–adjective 1.of or pertaining to an ape or monkey. 2.characteristic of apes or monkeys: long, simian fingers. –noun 3.an ape or monkey.I've known since public high school biology that humans are simians. Does that violate some theory of creationism?

[JustRalph]

classless

[ljb]

Somebody tell me what is the difference between a simian and a goon.

[Indulto]

Somebody tell me what is the difference between a simian and a goon.Simian says: Once upon a time a rabbit hopped over to the edge of a pond and started admiring itself with supporting commentary. A sand witch then arose from the depths and threatened to turn the bunny into a goon should said practice be repeated.

The moral of the story: Hare today; Goon tomorrow. ;)

[Lefty]

Indulto: Groan, groan. OMFG

[ljb]

I thought it was witty too. :D May have been over Lefty's head.

[Lefty]

Boy, you'redense. What do you think the groans were for. It was witty but we groan at this type of joke. Maybe it's you who is shorter than I.

[Indulto]

I thought it was witty too. :D May have been over Lefty's head.No, it's just that Lefty's one of the few here old enough to remember that punch line in its original context.;)

[Lefty]

Indulto, uhoh, I resemble that remark. :)

[Indulto]

Obama on Meet The Press

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3032608/ (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3032608/)

I thought he did a good job, but I’m sure some McCain-supporting simians here will keep their eyes and ears covered. ;) My intention was for the term "simian" (and its dual definition) to apply ONLY to those McCain supporters here who continually bash Obama AND THEN deliberately covered their eyes and ears to ignore the Meet the Press interview in which that candidate performed well, even though Russert didn't pull any punches.

I should have made it clearer that it didn't apply to McCain supporters, generally. That omission certainly provided PA with an opportunity for overstimulated, if not over-exaggerated outrage. Frankly, I have done/will do the same when the positions are reversed, but I don't wish any McCain supporters here to think I disrespect them solely because they have taken that position. ;)

In fact I don't blame anyone who, after watching some prominent Democrats attempt to diminish Obama for political purposes, turned away from such distasteful campaigning. I hope that I and other such individuals will fairly evaluate what life in this country might be like under both parties' eventual candidates.

I thought an earlier McCain performance on Meet the Press prior to his winning the Republican nomination was very strong. I think debates between McCain and Obama would be far more informative and position-clarifying than any McCain would have with Clinton.

I expect both parties will go over the top in a McCain vs Clinton election which will surely emphasize personalities over issues.

[Lefty]

So telling the truth about Obama is now bashing. I guess if we're simians then Obama supporters could be "bats" eh? I didn't see Meet The Press but i've seen enough of Obama to know he's just another runofthemill leftwing politician.

[Tom]

Do Clinton and McCain have middle names. Do they use them on a regular basis? What a pity someone like yourself who is capable of articulating meangful positions is content to focus on Obama's middle name.


He has 4 names.
He use Barak and Obama.
HE used to use Barry.
HE is named Hussein.

HE went on and on how his background makes him fit to be prez, so I am only reminding everyone that there is more to Barak Obama than Barak Obama.

I call John McCain Juan McCan't and Hillary the bitch. I think Barry Hussein is getting the better deal here. ;)

[Indulto]

So telling the truth about Obama is now bashing. I guess if we're simians then Obama supporters could be "bats" eh? I didn't see Meet The Press but i've seen enough of Obama to know he's just another runofthemill leftwing politician.Dear Tom's nephew,
Your admitted qualification does not automatically include others. Truth is in the eye of the beholder. It's hard to see enough of anything when one is wearing blinders.

[bigmack]

Indulto - I gather from your posts that you're rootin' for Obama. Could you share anything of substance about Obama that lead you to reach your rooty toot tootin'?

[Indulto]

Indulto - I gather from your posts that you're rootin' for Obama. Could you share anything of substance about Obama that lead you to reach your rooty toot tootin'?BgM,
I'm rooting for this country to return to both the ideals and the laws that made it free and safe, economically and otherwise. I'm also rooting for vision and effectiveness in our elected representatives in improving the quality of life in America for everyone who is willing to work.

At this point, one of three people is likely to emerge the winner of the election in November, despite their respective flaws. None is -- or can be expected to be -- perfect, but I am desperate for a reduction in the political devisiveness of the last 12 years, and a change to the continuously declining circumstances of the last 7; both in the U.S. and the world.

To the extent I can know anyone in cyberspace, you strike me as a perceptive individual who hardly requires input from this board to make an intelligent decision about what is in his own best interests. Certainly, the edition of Meet the Press I linked to would provide far more substance than I could on my best day.

At this point, but subject to more meaningful debate than has occurred so far, I believe Obama is better qualified -- and has better intentions -- for influencing changes to our collective circumstances to our collective benefit.

[ljb]

Hillary and McCain are both career politicians and in the pockets of K-street lobbyists. Not so much with Obama. I have heard from both sides of the spectrum here that we need to throw the bums out and start over. This is the best chance for that to happen.

[bigmack]

I am desperate for a reduction in the political devisiveness of the last 12 years, and a change to the continuously declining circumstances of the last 7; both in the U.S. and the world.
While I have no dog in this fight as I find them all lacking more than they're offering, wouldn't you find the most centrist of the candidates to be best qualified to put the kibosh on devisiveness - and obviously the most moderate being McCain?

Arguably, BO is way left and so too is HC. Sounds like a scenario teeming for devisiveness, no?

In the end, I'm confused how people can put so much hope & faith into someone we know so little about with the exception of his voting record. When he voted. Which wasn't that often.

[Indulto]

While I have no dog in this fight as I find them all lacking more than they're offering, wouldn't you find the most centrist of the candidates to be best qualified to put the kibosh on devisiveness - and obviously the most moderate being McCain?

Arguably, BO is way left and so too is HC. Sounds like a scenario teeming for devisiveness, no?

In the end, I'm confused how people can put so much hope & faith into someone we know so little about with the exception of his voting record. When he voted. Which wasn't that often.With all due respect, we all share responsibility for keeping the kennel klean. There are various aspects to the devisiveness that plagues us and mentioning McCain and "moderate" in the same breath takes mine away. ;)

BO as both shorthand and scent suggester never occurred to me. :cool:

When handicapping, do we not sometimes prefer the lightly-raced contender with promise over the veteran performer past his peak? BO has far more upside than his rivals whose respective downsides justify kicks to their backsides. :D

[bigmack]

McCain and "moderate" in the same breath takes mine away.

When handicapping, do we not sometimes prefer the lightly-raced contender with promise over the veteran performer past his peak? BO has far more upside than his rivals whose respective downsides justify kicks to their backsides.
By the use of moderate in politico lingo I assumed you knew that meant "tending towards the mean/middle". If your breath escapes from such a declaration you might want to brush-up on his record. It's the stone cold truth and certainly could not be used with BO or HC.

How you're able to determine that BO "has far more upside than his rivals" is something I trust you're unable to articulate. That's what I was after and I see it's as vague to you as it is for much of his support.

Keep hope alive, or something like that.

It all sounds so good.

[Indulto]

... How you're able to determine that BO "has far more upside than his rivals" is something I trust you're unable to articulate. That's what I was after and I see it's as vague to you as it is for much of his support.

Keep hope alive, or something like that.

It all sounds so good.Your support for McCain appears just as vague to me, and his approach to Iraq -- which sounds so comforting to you -- is all about keeping false hopes alive.

Sorry you didn't get what you were after, but if chasing McCain's tail does, I suspect we're not after the same things.

[bigmack]

Your support for McCain appears just as vague to me
Show me one instance of my support for McC? Why do you refuse to believe that I have not a dog in the fight? My disdain for McC will far outweigh any you might conjure for yourself.

I tried to get your side. I failed miserably.

[Indulto]

Show me one instance of my support for McC? Why do you refuse to believe that I have not a dog in the fight? My disdain for McC will far outweigh any you might conjure for yourself.

I tried to get your side. I failed miserably.To what stone cold truth are you referring here?... you might want to brush-up on his record. It's the stone cold truth and certainly could not be used with BO or HC. ...

[bigmack]

To what stone cold truth are you referring here?
OK, this is my final take and then it's a wrap.

McC ain't far right. His voting record strongly indicates/makes him a moderate Republican. How has that FACT given you reason to believe that I support him?

I take note that the usual .org's are spinning he's not a moderate. You're not alignining yourself with the position of that camp are you?

[Tom]

BgM,
I'm rooting for this country to return to both the ideals and the laws that made it free and safe, economically and otherwise. I'm also rooting for vision and effectiveness in our elected representatives in improving the quality of life in America for everyone who is willing to work.


Don't hold your breath., this country at least 4-8 years away from greatness. We will sink much further into the toilet with any of the three stooges at the helm. Our immediate outlook is bleak. Prepare yourselves for a depression, riots, and foreign disators.

And what about those who are not willing to work? :rolleyes:

[JustRalph]

Don't hold your breath., this country at least 4-8 years away from greatness. We will sink much further into the toilet with any of the three stooges at the helm. Our immediate outlook is bleak. Prepare yourselves for a depression, riots, and foreign disators.

And what about those who are not willing to work? :rolleyes:

reminds me, I need to shop for a new doomsday rifle........... :ThmbUp: :lol:

[Indulto]

OK, this is my final take and then it's a wrap.

McC ain't far right. His voting record strongly indicates/makes him a moderate Republican. How has that FACT given you reason to believe that I support him?

I take note that the usual .org's are spinning he's not a moderate. You're not alignining yourself with the position of that camp are you?Assuming "a wrap" reveals your directorial experience, I'm disposed to blame my being misdirected less on my diminishing capacity and more on your post construction. In any event, consider your disclaim of McCain acknowledged.

So where does that leave your pre-election predilection … Clinton, Nader, or perhaps a June surprise?

You can eliminate the “usual .org’s” as potential influencers of my political opinions. My most frequent sources of political insight at present are Meet the Press, PBS (Lehrer, Moyers, Rose), Tom Hartman, Nightline, the actual debates I’ve been able to watch, and -- of course -- our own hcap.

I doubt that the mean/median interpretation of the term, "moderate politician," applies to supporters of continued resource squandering in Iraq.

[bigmack]

PBS (Lehrer, Moyers, Rose), Tom Hartman, Nightline, the actual debates I’ve been able to watch, and -- of course -- our own hcap.

I doubt that the mean/median interpretation of the term, "moderate politician," applies to supporters of continued resource squandering in Iraq.
You know I like you Indulto, but you can't discount the fact that McC is a mod because he feels the need to continue in Iraq. One issue doth not make the man.

Moyers? He's as biased as Keith Olbermann. I wondered how they were so chummy in that interview. Behold. JWright at the head of LBJ and Moyers just behind him.

http://i165.photobucket.com/albums/u70/macktime/jw.jpg

[JustRalph]

Great Post Mack!!!

Moyers and Wright...........like minded ?

[boxcar]

With all due respect, we all share responsibility for keeping the kennel klean. There are various aspects to the devisiveness that plagues us and mentioning McCain and "moderate" in the same breath takes mine away. ;)

BO as both shorthand and scent suggester never occurred to me. :cool:

When handicapping, do we not sometimes prefer the lightly-raced contender with promise over the veteran performer past his peak? BO has far more upside than his rivals whose respective downsides justify kicks to their backsides. :D

Sure, providing that "lightly-raced contender with promise" offers me value. But this won't be the case with NoBama. All he wants to do is my raise taxes, increase my capital gains tax, etc.

Bad analogy, Indulto, most especially since all this yo-yo has done is make a lot of speeches with zero substance to them. Wherein is their any real promise in this strategy?

Boxcar

[riskman]

Obama said--I think people should be allowed to do anything they want. We haven't tried that for a while. Maybe this time it'll work. How come I can't hear you?

http://www.joe-ks.com/archives_mar2008/ObamaPhone.htm

[boxcar]

Obama said--I think people should be allowed to do anything they want. We haven't tried that for a while. Maybe this time it'll work. How come I can't hear you?

http://www.joe-ks.com/archives_mar2008/ObamaPhone.htm

He also acknowledged once that people have rights -- but that doesn't mean the government shouldn't limit those rights. Coming from libs like him, an inquiring mind is led to wonder to just what extent would he have government limit people's rights? To the extent that totalitarian states do? And which rights in particular did he have in mind?

Of course, we know that he definitely didn't mean a women's "right" to abortion due to remarks he made about his daughters. He said that if they ever made a "mistake", he certainly wouldn't want them "punished with a baby".

Boxcar

[hcap]

Obama said--I think people should be allowed to do anything they want. We haven't tried that for a while. Maybe this time it'll work. How come I can't hear you?

http://www.joe-ks.com/archives_mar2008/ObamaPhone.htm
Your link did not show who Obama is speaking to.....

http://www.joe-ks.com/archives_mar2008/ObamaPhone.jpg

Just to clarify things.......

http://www.deeshaa.org/wp-content/bush_phone.jpg

[Indulto]

Your link did not show who Obama is speaking to.....

http://www.joe-ks.com/archives_mar2008/ObamaPhone.jpg

Just to clarify things.......

http://www.deeshaa.org/wp-content/bush_phone.jpg:lol: :lol: :lol: