Cappers get respect...yeah right...

[asH]

y' know ,I’ve been reading post after post after post, and I'm finding that people who call themselves cappers don’t have a clue as to the events happening around them; haven’t a clue as to the relationship between the events at Calder and CD today, and even NYRA few months ago; don’t know who the Horsemen’s Group are, or CDI, MEC/Magna; how the ADW's, track-ADW's play a role; how all this plays towards in the 'grand scheme of things' today and tomorrow. Most post I read are uninformed mindless opinions, substantiated by what(!?). It is not surprising cappers concerns are not considered/respected…

is this how you handicap??

From the looks of it we ( cappers )are fish food, fodder, due to our ignorance of current and past events… don’t expect TVG or HRTV to report these happening; if you didn’t know, they are owned by the players of this game, and would probably prefer you in the dark about the relationships of these events… Be aware of posters with their own agendas in mind….there is a war going on for your dollars …read (DRF,Bloodhorse,ESPN) question …you have the time anyway, with Calder closed.

[karlskorner]

Just so no one mis-interterprets you last sentance. Calder is not "closed", just four dark days until Friday. Samething next week.

[asH]

Just so none mis-interterprets you last sentance. Calder is not "closed", just four dark days until Friday. Samething next week.

thank you karl, always open to corrections/ opinions based on substantiated facts.

[Pace Cap'n]

I would think folks have more of a clue than you give them credit for.

Unfortunately, that is all that some may have--a clue. And the reason for that is that all this stuff is somewhat complicated. Too many acronyms. Too many groups, too many sides to the same argument.

Plus it's like the "crisis of the week". Racing just seems to lurch from one dire strait to another with nary a break in between.

But here is a suggestion...

Perhaps someone with a modicum of writing skills and a good understanding of the current controversy (THG, et. al.) could compose an an objective synopsis, in plain english and with no agenda, of what is going on, identify the parties involved and what they are seeking, and the pros and cons of their desires.

This compilation could then be stickied for ready reference when the more knowledgeable posters such as yourself engage in discussing the minutiae as events unfold.

[LottaKash]

I between.

But here is a suggestion...

Perhaps someone with a modicum of writing skills and a good understanding of the current controversy (THG, et. al.) could compose an an objective synopsis, in plain english and with no agenda, of what is going on, identify the parties involved and what they are seeking, and the pros and cons of their desires.

This compilation could then be stickied for ready reference when the more knowledgeable posters such as yourself engage in discussing the minutiae as events unfold.

Makes much sense to me.......bravo.......:ThmbUp:

[asH]

Cap I’m sorry you took offense.. not my intentions. Good idea- the probability of one inserting their personal slant could be an issue, how do you feel about a team effort? checks and balances

[Greyfox]

Worrying about the political ins and outs of horse racing is a distraction to the handicapper. My main focus is on the race in front of me. Disputes between horsemen and tracks and various interest groups have taken place for a 100 years and always seem to resolve themselves one way or another. I'll keep my energies focussed on handicapping a race as I find it thank you.

If other handicappers want to worry about dispersal of signals, slot machine funding and so on, they can. I have better things to do.

[Murph]

I would think folks have more of a clue than you give them credit for.

Unfortunately, that is all that some may have--a clue. And the reason for that is that all this stuff is somewhat complicated. Too many acronyms. Too many groups, too many sides to the same argument.

Plus it's like the "crisis of the week". Racing just seems to lurch from one dire strait to another with nary a break in between.

But here is a suggestion...

Perhaps someone with a modicum of writing skills and a good understanding of the current controversy (THG, et. al.) could compose an an objective synopsis, in plain english and with no agenda, of what is going on, identify the parties involved and what they are seeking, and the pros and cons of their desires.

This compilation could then be stickied for ready reference when the more knowledgeable posters such as yourself engage in discussing the minutiae as events unfold.
Are Race Track Operators Serving Their Customers, or Themselves ??
by: Mike "Murph" Powers

Below are some Thoroughbred Times (http://www.thoroughbredtimes.com/) links for additional information about the current simulcasting dispute between track operators and horsemen.

My comments are added below the links.

Posted: Tuesday, April 15, 2008 12:20 PM
TOBA endorses efforts of Thoroughbred Horsemen’s Group (http://www.thoroughbredtimes.com/naonal-news/2008/April/15/TOBA-endorses-efforts-of-Thoroughbred-Horsemens-Group.aspx)
by Frank Angst (fangst@thoroughbredtimes.com)
The Thoroughbred Owners and Breeders Association has endorsed a horsemen’s group’s efforts to increase the percentage of simulcast revenue committed to purses.

Posted: Monday, April 28, 2008 11:56 AM
Churchill official acknowledges horsemen’s challenges (http://www.thoroughbredtimes.com/national-news/2008/April/28/Churchill-official-acknowledges-horsemens-challenges.aspx)
by Frank Angst (fangst@thoroughbredtimes.com) While speaking at an equine conference, Churchill Downs Inc. Vice President Tom Aronson said horsemen face tough economic challenges early in the 21st century. Aronson delivered his timely assessment during the Kentucky International Equine Summit on Monday at the Radisson Plaza Hotel in Lexington.

Posted: Thursday, April 24, 2008 7:06 PM
Churchill Downs Inc. files suit against horsemen’s group, Florida HBPA (http://www.thoroughbredtimes.com/national-news/2008/April/24/Churchill-Downs-Inc-files-suit-against-horsemens-group-Florida-HBPA.aspx)
Churchill Downs Inc., Calder Race Course, and Churchill Downs Technology Initiatives on Thursday filed suit against the Thoroughbred Horsemen’s Group, the Florida Horsemen’s Benevolent and Protective Association, and the officer of each organization in the United States District Court for the western district of Kentucky.

The current dispute between track operators and horsemen is a huge mess and has been contested and settled in the past. Horsemen have always had to give into operators demands and have always shared a conflicting interest in protecting their funding for purse accounts. Track operators seem to want to profit at the expense of the hard labor of others without providing the services necessary to sustain their customer base on any type of scale. Horsemen have much to be concerned for as they KNOW all to well that once they have given anything to the operators it is highly unlikely they will ever see any of that revenue in their purse accounts again anytime soon. The track operators are demonstrating that they are perfectly willing to cripple the current racing structure if they do not get their way (more money than they deserve). Their way is to ensure profits without providing meaningful services to the people they are supposed to serve according to state laws of the various racing districts.

http://docs.google.com/Doc?id=ddtv2nz6_11fvfwbndf (http://docs.google.com/Doc?id=ddtv2nz6_11fvfwbndf)

[Kelso]

Track operators seem to want to profit at the expense of the hard labor of others
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The track operators are demonstrating that they are perfectly willing to cripple the current racing structure if they do not get their way (more money than they deserve).Damn, you sound more like a labor organizer than a capitalist horseman. Which is it? (I know, I know; you want it all ... and to hell with the players and their interests.)

Horsemen "deserve" nothing other than whatever purse money they might win ... and that only in such amounts as a free and open market (i.e., untainted by purchased political influence) determines to be necessary.


Track operators seem to want to profit at the expense of the hard labor of others without providing the services necessary to sustain their customer base on any type of scale.Oh, so now the owners are the tracks' "customer base?" WOW, you guys are really full of yourselves!

PLAYERS are the only "customer base" most tracks will ever have. Customers pay the bills.

Owners are EXPENSES to tracks. Even when they don't win purses, owners cost the tracks big-time when they get free barn space and free use of facilities and functions that have been paid for by the tracks.

Get over yourselves, comrades! Racing is no longer the only gambling option in town. Players can gamble without owners. Owners can't pursue their hobby without players ... unless you consider running in cow pastures for Franklins a viable option.


Horsemen have much to be concerned for as they KNOW all to well that once they have given anything to the operators it is highly unlikely they will ever see any of that revenue in their purse accounts again anytime soon.And that's precisely the scam that the players have discovered you owners trying to run. Once you greedy bastards get your greedy hands on that big chunk of ADW takeout, it will be lost forever to the players who want it ... (NOTE: I didn't say "deserve it." That kind of meaningless verb is reserved to you of the socialist pursuasion.) ... for possible takeout reductions and rebates.

Players have caught on that the owners aren't really fighting the tracks or ADWs ... the owners are fighting to take an enormous chunk of change out of the pockets of the players!!!


Their way is to ensure profits without providing meaningful services to the people they are supposed to serve according to state laws of the various racing districts.Then change those corrupt laws, to the extent they exist at all ... which, I suspect, is not as all encompassing as you might hope. It's time for some laws protecting the players interests, instead. (Hey politicians ... there are a hell of a lot more of us than there are owners! Wise up, already.)

[asH]

http://schinckel.net/images/BrokenRecord.jpg..........