Atlantic City

[shoelessjoe]

Im disappointed to see they will be running only 6 races a day for their very short meet,it used to be one of my favorite tracks to play when they ran during the summer.

[hbeck]

I'll be there Thursday. Very excited.

[OTM Al]

I'm going to finally get down there friday. Does DRF do PPs (I can't remember from years past) or do you have to get something at the track?

[jeebus1083]

I believe that AC has to be offered in the simulcast market this year, but I would take the safe route and buy PPs online.

[shanta]

Im disappointed to see they will be running only 6 races a day for their very short meet,it used to be one of my favorite tracks to play when they ran during the summer.

Big bro
Do your turf thing that you showed me when we hooked up. You will do VERY well!! :ThmbUp:

Richie

[Norm]

Here's an up-date on the future of Atlantic City :

http://news.bloodhorse.com/viewstory.asp?id=44383 (http://news.bloodhorse.com/viewstory.asp?id=44383)

[Norm]

Here's another opinion on the future of Atlantic City :

http://www.drf.com/news/article/93885.html (http://www.drf.com/news/article/93885.html)

[hbeck]

I downloaded the PP's for Thursday. No pick three, pick four and only an early daily double and one race with a superfecta... boo.

Also, no off-track wagering. The pools are gonna be pretty small (which I guess is why there is no P3 or P4).

[njcurveball]

Im disappointed to see they will be running only 6 races a day for their very short meet,it used to be one of my favorite tracks to play when they ran during the summer.

It is just a slap in the face to everyone involved, most of all, the horse owners.

They trumpeted running SIX days! What they didn't tell anyone is that they really are running about FOUR days worth of races again.

The running joke is that next year they will card a 20 day meet *as they promised to do this year) and then run TWO races a day! :lol:

I remember when racing was banging the drum to add a TENTH race. Now they let them run a card with only 6 races. They aren't simulcasting the Breeders Cup that day either.

Turn the other cheek race fans, NJ wants to slap that one too! :bang:

[njcurveball]

I believe that AC has to be offered in the simulcast market this year, but I would take the safe route and buy PPs online.

From what I have learned, they were all set to go and the DRF had them in the East Coast Wednesday edition. Then the horsemen were not happy with the contract and did not give their approval.

Looks like it is very similar to the Calder situation. Only with 6 days, this will not be resolved, so if you want to bet there you will need to be on track.


Jim

[badcompany]

Isn't this meet just a sham so the track can be allowed to have simultcasting for the rest of the year?

[jma]

From what I have learned, they were all set to go and the DRF had them in the East Coast Wednesday edition. Then the horsemen were not happy with the contract and did not give their approval.

Looks like it is very similar to the Calder situation. Only with 6 days, this will not be resolved, so if you want to bet there you will need to be on track.


Jim

I think you're wrong about that. Atlantic City wasn't simulcast anywhere last year either. It's also not the state of New Jersey's fault that there are six days of racing. Blame Greenwood Racing---they're trying to save some money because if they run live racing they don't have to pay as much in the way of fees for simulcasting. These six days save them 1.5 million dollars, and that's the only reason the track is running at all.

[njcurveball]

I think you're wrong about that. Atlantic City wasn't simulcast anywhere last year either. It's also not the state of New Jersey's fault that there are six days of racing. Blame Greenwood Racing---they're trying to save some money because if they run live racing they don't have to pay as much in the way of fees for simulcasting. These six days save them 1.5 million dollars, and that's the only reason the track is running at all.

I don't know who your sources are, but you have a lot of incorrect facts in what you wrote here. Last year they did not send contracts out and the DRF was not going to put them in any editions.

They pay the same fee for the simulcast signals whether they run live or not.

I don't even have a clue where you got the 1.5 million dollar figure. I know it is hard to believe, but they would make a lot of money by running 30 days and they even would have been included in the casino money by doing it. I don't have a clue why Greenwood runs the track to lose money and literally kick people out.

Would love to hear more details on this and where you heard this from.

[BombsAway Bob]

I don't know who your sources are, but you have a lot of incorrect facts in what you wrote here. Last year they did not send contracts out and the DRF was not going to put them in any editions.

They pay the same fee for the simulcast signals whether they run live or not.

I don't even have a clue where you got the 1.5 million dollar figure. I know it is hard to believe, but they would make a lot of money by running 30 days and they even would have been included in the casino money by doing it. I don't have a clue why Greenwood runs the track to lose money and literally kick people out.

Would love to hear more details on this and where you heard this from.
this is where figs came from~ http://www.drf.com/news/article/93885.html (http://www.drf.com/news/article/93885.html)

[OTM Al]

Just for a sec could someone tell me if basically the best way to get the PPs is download from DRF site (I prefer DRF PPs so I'm not interested in Equibase or any other kind) as they likely will have nothing on track? I know they have several kinds to download, so which would be most like the paper form cause that's all I ever use along with my own data? Thx

[jma]

this is where figs came from~ http://www.drf.com/news/article/93885.html (http://www.drf.com/news/article/93885.html)

Yes, I got it from the DRF. Thanks Bob.

They wouldn't make any money running more days---they were losing money, which is why they shut down in the first place. Sad but true. If Greenwood was making money, why did they shut the track down?

You save money on simulcast fees if you run live races as opposed to being simulcasting only. If the guys who run Philly Park and Atlantic City (Greenwood Racing) know anything, it's how to save money. That's the only reason they're bothering to run these few days of racing. So, sorry, no misinformation. The state of NJ deserves a lot of the crap they take as far as horse racing, but they can't make a track run a certain number of races, or a certain number of days, when they don't own the track. Send your angry emails to Greenwood Racing.

[The Bit]

Just for a sec could someone tell me if basically the best way to get the PPs is download from DRF site (I prefer DRF PPs so I'm not interested in Equibase or any other kind) as they likely will have nothing on track? I know they have several kinds to download, so which would be most like the paper form cause that's all I ever use along with my own data? Thx

You have to download the DRF off the internet and print it out yourself. The track offers nothing, atleast that I was able to find the last two years. I learned the hardway the first year, went with nothing. Last year I have to be honest, I never looked because I just printed out the Form online.

This meet wouldn't make any money, otherwise they wouldn't have shut down in the first place.

And I can assure you the only reason this meet is run is to appease the the conditions of the simulcast license and they make no attempts to send a signal anywhere.

All the negative things being said, I have done very well wagering wise there. Lots of uninformed money in the pools since most in attendance are tourist or just there to see the pretty horses and no available program.

[Track Collector]

I don't have a clue why Greenwood runs the track to lose money and literally kick people out.

Somewhere I read an article where the opinion was that Greenwood would rather sell the property for development.

[Kelso]

The state of NJ deserves a lot of the crap they take as far as horse racing, but they can't make a track run a certain number of races, or a certain number of days, when they don't own the track. Send your angry emails to Greenwood Racing.


Can't the Racing Commision cost Greenwood its simulcasting license by refusing to grant any racing days at all ... that is, unless Greenwood requested sufficient days (and races) to justify the term "meet" at all?

I don't know why the NJRC continually knuckles under to Greenwood; but I'll bet good money that not all the ... uh, "negotiations" ... take place in public.

[The Bit]

And I can assure you the only reason this meet is run is to appease the the conditions of the simulcast license and they make no attempts to send a signal anywhere.



Obviously this year was different. They did try to send the signal out and the horseman shot it down for one reason or another.

I'm sure the reason was logical :eek:

[onefast99]

Just for a sec could someone tell me if basically the best way to get the PPs is download from DRF site (I prefer DRF PPs so I'm not interested in Equibase or any other kind) as they likely will have nothing on track? I know they have several kinds to download, so which would be most like the paper form cause that's all I ever use along with my own data? Thx
Yes they are on DRF on-line for Thursday and Friday. They also offer a program with past pp's for sale at the track. You will have plenty to choose from. I will be there on Thursday. Lines get long so bet early!

[Tom]

Just for a sec could someone tell me if basically the best way to get the PPs is download from DRF site (I prefer DRF PPs so I'm not interested in Equibase or any other kind) as they likely will have nothing on track? I know they have several kinds to download, so which would be most like the paper form cause that's all I ever use along with my own data? Thx

The PDF past performances look identical to the print edition.
You can get that or the version withthe Moss PAce Figures, same layout, with on line added for each race at tracks Moss covers.

[OTM Al]

I did download, though it didn't help me much........

They have the equibase style pps for sale there at the front door and full simulcasting stuff available inside as well. It was interesting to see. It was in better condition than I expected and the turf course is in magnificent shape. Gets a decent crowd so the comments about getting to the windows asap are accurate. Also, you aren't going to see any odds outside, you have to get them off the TV monitors inside. A little disconcerting, but it worked out ok. You can see replays as well inside.

[onefast99]

I did download, though it didn't help me much........

They have the equibase style pps for sale there at the front door and full simulcasting stuff available inside as well. It was interesting to see. It was in better condition than I expected and the turf course is in magnificent shape. Gets a decent crowd so the comments about getting to the windows asap are accurate. Also, you aren't going to see any odds outside, you have to get them off the TV monitors inside. A little disconcerting, but it worked out ok. You can see replays as well inside.
The turf course always has been one of the best in the Northeast. The grass can take a real good beating even though the meet has 6 days with 36 races. I hope someone steps up and re-builds this track it is a big piece of racing history!

[njcurveball]

I hope someone steps up and re-builds this track it is a big piece of racing history!

Lost all chance of this when Greenwood bought it. Probably a better chance of this week being the last racing days there.

Very sad for one of the few tracks on the East Coast that has gotten full fields even without a stable area or workout track.

Look for simulcasting to continue until the end of this year and then Greenwood offiicially burying it and turning it into a simulcast facility as they are not going to run 20 days in 2009, especially after being shot down with their simulcast contract this year.


Jim

[onefast99]

Lost all chance of this when Greenwood bought it. Probably a better chance of this week being the last racing days there.

Very sad for one of the few tracks on the East Coast that has gotten full fields even without a stable area or workout track.

Look for simulcasting to continue until the end of this year and then Greenwood offiicially burying it and turning it into a simulcast facility as they are not going to run 20 days in 2009, especially after being shot down with their simulcast contract this year.


Jim
It seems that the simulcast signal controversy is still up in the air. I saw the article that was posted earlier in this thread and it said that the signal and racing issues will be heard at the end of April, which is today. So you are saying that the track will only do simulcast? If so do you have a link for that story?

[njcurveball]

So you are saying that the track will only do simulcast? If so do you have a link for that story?

You probably will be reading about it after the 1st of the year. They have one more license for a simulcast parlor to be used and look for that to be right at the track. They probably won't be ruffling any feathers while they are still running.

The horsemen and Drazin should have called their bluff and let them simulcast this year. In blocking the signal out of spite, they have cut off their nose to spite their face. :bang:

Greenwood would have had a hard time shutting down live racing with 2 million dollar handles. Much easier to shut everything down with a daily handle of less than $200,000. :mad:

[Kelso]

You probably will be reading about it after the 1st of the year. They have one more license for a simulcast parlor to be used and look for that to be right at the track. They probably won't be ruffling any feathers while they are still running.NJCB,
Do you think the NJ Racing Commission will favor Greenwood with a simulcast license after they've played the state for fools (not without reason) for all these years? Why would NJRC do that?

Does the state care that much about racing history (Kelso broke maiden there, btw) to trade a license for a preserved grandstand? I sure hope not. Throw the bastards back across the Delaware! Find another abandoned grocery store for an Atlantic County license.

[njcurveball]

NJCB,
Do you think the NJ Racing Commission will favor Greenwood with a simulcast license after they've played the state for fools (not without reason) for all these years? Why would NJRC do that?

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I don't think they have any choice, since Greenwood was granted 2 simulcast licenses for Atlantic, Cape May, and Cumberland counties. They are using one in Vineland and will probably use the other in Mays Landing. It is a slam dunk from what I hear.

I would love to be wrong and see live racing there next year, but from everyone I talk to, this is pretty much a done deal.

Joe Wilson, who took over for Handel, could care less about New Jersey racing. One less competitor for his "real" job across the bridge..

Jim

[onefast99]

I don't think they have any choice, since Greenwood was granted 2 simulcast licenses for Atlantic, Cape May, and Cumberland counties. They are using one in Vineland and will probably use the other in Mays Landing. It is a slam dunk from what I hear.

I would love to be wrong and see live racing there next year, but from everyone I talk to, this is pretty much a done deal.

Joe Wilson, who took over for Handel, could care less about New Jersey racing. One less competitor for his "real" job across the bridge..

Jim
Who runs the Toms River OTW facility?

[onefast99]

Yesterdays crowd at AC was a pretty good one. I noticed a lot more people there then on a Weds at Mth park in June. Looks as if the turf course is in perfect condition. That track has too much history associated with it hopefully greenwood will do the right thing and keep it going.