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bigmack
04-17-2008, 02:16 AM
Not only is this the silliest Democratic offering (& there's been some silly ones) but the general is over there is no possible chance for the Dems. I now predict a resounding thump. Like the sound of Leon Spinks speaking publicly. :rolleyes:
And we end up with McCain. :confused: Who would have thunk? Although I believe I won some loot from a few around here that it wouldn't be Hillary.
JustRalph
04-17-2008, 02:57 AM
I was just reading some transcript material from the debate. I think that some of what the pundits were saying a month ago about those two beating the hell out of each other for 4 months while McCain lays back and raises money, just might be true.
These two calling out each other's peccadillo's while their base gets more and more fragmented is in some ways predictable, but I really didn't think they would be this stupid?
On the Dem Websites the Liberal base is getting more and more touchy from what I read. Several threads appear where Barack supporters and vice versa say they will never vote for the other candidate after what has gone on.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x5540685
This could be interesting.
JustRalph
04-17-2008, 04:17 AM
FcwbThPUlnQ
Operation Chaos is working well.
Thanks, Rush. :ThmbUp::ThmbUp::ThmbUp:
jballscalls
04-17-2008, 09:11 AM
Operation Chaos is working well.
Thanks, Rush. :ThmbUp::ThmbUp::ThmbUp:
PUKE!!!
Yes, jb, that is what Obama and Yo Mama are doing - thanks to the loveable littel fuzzball! :lol:
jballscalls
04-17-2008, 10:39 AM
Yes, jb, that is what Obama and Yo Mama are doing - thanks to the loveable littel fuzzball! :lol:
Please dont bring my mother into any conversations in here. i've never disrespected your family on here.
Yo Mama = Hillary.
It rhymes, and she wants to take care of us all, like a Mother.
jballscalls
04-17-2008, 12:56 PM
Yo Mama = Hillary.
It rhymes, and she wants to take care of us all, like a Mother.
you dont need to worry about Hillary. she wont be around come November. You (and me and everyone) need to worry about Barry Hussein
prospector
04-17-2008, 01:53 PM
PUKE!!!
oh comeon...Operation Chaos is funny...you got two libs running against a 3rd moderate/lib on the republican side....
you need to laugh to keep your sanity....
i laughed my way thru Marine Corp bootcamp...i'll laugh my way thru this election..
ArlJim78
04-17-2008, 03:27 PM
ever since McCain won in New Hampshire I've been predicting a republican landslide in November. the funny part is if you listen to the dem's all along they felt that this election was going to be a slam dunk. they're in deep doodoo and don't even know it.
taxseason
04-17-2008, 06:12 PM
Not only is this the silliest Democratic offering (& there's been some silly ones) but the general is over there is no possible chance for the Dems. I now predict a resounding thump. Like the sound of Leon Spinks speaking publicly. :rolleyes:
And we end up with McCain. :confused: Who would have thunk? Although I believe I won some loot from a few around here that it wouldn't be Hillary.
Its the second mouse who gets the cheese.
Right after McCain is renamed Bush's third term, he'll trip going up or coming off a podium, and at an unstable 71 , with a name like Bush, he could'nt get elected dog catcher.
Democrats by 7+
bigmack
04-17-2008, 06:37 PM
Right after McCain is renamed Bush's third term, he'll trip going up or coming off a podium, and at an unstable 71 , with a name like Bush, he could'nt get elected dog catcher.
Democrats by 7+
I know a pile of septuagenarians that could more than likely tear you a new one. In other words, they can handle stairs just fine along with a number of other tasks.
I'd be more than happy to take your action on the outcome in November?
GameTheory
04-17-2008, 07:31 PM
In past races (for anything) where one side has a set candidate and the other side can't come up with one until the last minute, the advantage goes to the bickering party, not the other way around. The advantage here is for the Democrats, not the Republicans. The longer it takes for the Dems to settle on a candidate, the shorter the general campaign is (effectively).
Let's say they don't have a chosen candidate until the convention. That candidate will ride a bump coming out of the convention and there won't be time for that steam to wear off before the general election. No one is taking is a critical look at these candidates because the story isn't about that until they actually pick one. Most voters are just waiting around to see who the choices will be. There will be no debates, etc, until there is a final candidate. (And no VP choice either.) If McCain wants to really go after them now, he has to split his resources to attack two different targets. This idea that they're "tearing themselves apart" is nonsense -- this allows both Dems a free pass until one of them drops out. The support for the loser within the Democratic party will instantly switch to the other Dem. They'll be as splintered as they ever were, but it won't hurt them in the general election.
taxseason
04-17-2008, 09:15 PM
I know a pile of septuagenarians that could more than likely tear you a new one. In other words, they can handle stairs just fine along with a number of other tasks.
I'd be more than happy to take your action on the outcome in November?
Hey Einsten,
25 year old political canditates will trip climbing on and off 1000 podiums a year. They all trip at least once! Obama could trip and fall four times while Mccain can't even stub his toe between now and November. But he will, I bet he falls once. And when he does he's toast.
But more importantly he is Bush Third Term and that means he's done already.
Use your head before your start talking like a child ok?. Tear me a new what? What do you do? Read tarot cards? It may be time to take a break from the internet when you get your feelings hurt that easy. I'm a set of 1 and 2's on an internet board. Take a step back and find yourself.
In past races (for anything) where one side has a set candidate and the other side can't come up with one until the last minute, the advantage goes to the bickering party, not the other way around. The advantage here is for the Democrats, not the Republicans. The longer it takes for the Dems to settle on a candidate, the shorter the general campaign is (effectively).
Let's say they don't have a chosen candidate until the convention. That candidate will ride a bump coming out of the convention and there won't be time for that steam to wear off before the general election. No one is taking is a critical look at these candidates because the story isn't about that until they actually pick one. Most voters are just waiting around to see who the choices will be. There will be no debates, etc, until there is a final candidate. (And no VP choice either.) If McCain wants to really go after them now, he has to split his resources to attack two different targets. This idea that they're "tearing themselves apart" is nonsense -- this allows both Dems a free pass until one of them drops out. The support for the loser within the Democratic party will instantly switch to the other Dem. They'll be as splintered as they ever were, but it won't hurt them in the general election.
Nice post GT and your analysis would be spot on in a normal election,however the unique dymamic this year with the dem flag bearer being an historical first either way, introduces factors of race and gender into the mix that might get Mccain over the hump.
bigmack
04-17-2008, 09:51 PM
Use your head before your start talking like a child ok?. Tear me a new what? What do you do? Read tarot cards? It may be time to take a break from the internet when you get your feelings hurt that easy. I'm a set of 1 and 2's on an internet board. Take a step back and find yourself.
:lol::lol:
Welcome aboard, Pilgrim. Albeit, something in the air smacks of a reivention.
So I'm clear, you bring up the age factor, then retreat? I was simply pointing out that there are no shortage of elder cats that still have a fairly good command of their physical well-being and they could kick me to the curb and I suspect you as well. Nothing personal. However, since we're on the subject...
Akin to what Madge told her Palmolive soaking saps in regards to the new thing that you'd be torn - You're sitting on it and judging by your decorum you've spent a fair amount of time with your thumb up it.
Agent 1222112111 out.
GameTheory
04-18-2008, 12:59 AM
Nice post GT and your analysis would be spot on in a normal election,however the unique dymamic this year with the dem flag bearer being an historical first either way, introduces factors of race and gender into the mix that might get Mccain over the hump.Meaning you think people won't vote for a woman or a black guy? Anybody who thinks like that wasn't going to vote Democratic to begin with. I think those factors will help the final candidate, especially if it is Obama...
JustRalph
04-18-2008, 04:30 AM
In past races (for anything) where one side has a set candidate and the other side can't come up with one until the last minute, the advantage goes to the bickering party, not the other way around. The advantage here is for the Democrats, not the Republicans. The longer it takes for the Dems to settle on a candidate, the shorter the general campaign is (effectively).
Let's say they don't have a chosen candidate until the convention. That candidate will ride a bump coming out of the convention and there won't be time for that steam to wear off before the general election. No one is taking is a critical look at these candidates because the story isn't about that until they actually pick one. Most voters are just waiting around to see who the choices will be. There will be no debates, etc, until there is a final candidate. (And no VP choice either.) If McCain wants to really go after them now, he has to split his resources to attack two different targets. This idea that they're "tearing themselves apart" is nonsense -- this allows both Dems a free pass until one of them drops out. The support for the loser within the Democratic party will instantly switch to the other Dem. They'll be as splintered as they ever were, but it won't hurt them in the general election.
Meaning you think people won't vote for a woman or a black guy? Anybody who thinks like that wasn't going to vote Democratic to begin with. I think those factors will help the final candidate, especially if it is Obama...
Game, you assume that Hillary has unloaded all of her bullets. There could be much more to come. Hell, there are two months go. I don't think she goes down without lobbing a few serious grenades. Btw, I think Obama got hurt terribly by the Rev. Wright deal. Mostly in the south. That will be the challenge for him. Hillary too..........the Southern States are the southern states after all.
GameTheory
04-18-2008, 05:13 AM
Game, you assume that Hillary has unloaded all of her bullets. There could be much more to come. Hell, there are two months go. I don't think she goes down without lobbing a few serious grenades. Btw, I think Obama got hurt terribly by the Rev. Wright deal. Mostly in the south. That will be the challenge for him. Hillary too..........the Southern States are the southern states after all.No, I'm not assuming that -- but I think once one of them does bow out (likely Hillary since she's losing); there is going to be a "clean slate" sort of feeling, and whoever wins will have SURVIVED whatever was thrown at them -- is McCain going to then harp on the same stuff that just got done NOT WORKING to stop the Dem that emerged victorious?
The sooner they get down to one candidate and everybody chooses a running mate then the real battle begins. The LONGER that battle the better for the Republicans, particularly if Obama is the choice as he very likely will be. The Dem convention isn't until late August this year (over a month later than last time), only 8 weeks or so before election day. [It's gonna be just a couple miles from my house too -- gonna be a zoo around here.]
Anyway, the longer Obama is able to stay out of the fray of a head-to-head competition with his actual eventual opponent the better for him. All his battles with Hillary won't count because HE WILL HAVE WON THEM already, and he'll seem like the "new" candidate, which he already does because he's a young charismatic black guy and not an old white guy. (Hell, Hillary could very well end up on his ticket, although I doubt it, but she surely will eventually endorse him -- probably will speak at the convention.) There is precedent for this sort of thing in races for governors and senators -- the side that seems to be self-destructing usually wins.
Now then, anything can happen, and maybe it won't be that close to begin with -- it always seems to hard-liners that the political season is already heated up during primaries, etc, but in reality most people don't care about that and are just waiting to see the ticket from each side. Last time the general population didn't really start to care until June or so -- meaning anyone who isn't going to vote for a certain party no matter what doesn't really consider their vote until they know their final choices -- for many people they first have to decide whether they want to vote at all. If that doesn't happen until August, Obama will have a whole bunch of new people to swoon, which he is awfully good at and there won't be time for the shine to rub off.
Of course, to take this wildly off-topic, I'm hoping that the exact opposite thing happens in the NBA playoffs. Let the super-deep West beat each other's brains out for a month and half in order for one team to emerge for the Finals. Go Pistons.
JustRalph
04-18-2008, 05:34 AM
is McCain going to then harp on the same stuff that just got done NOT WORKING to stop the Dem that emerged victorious?
nope, Not McCain. The 527's will be running the Rev Wright until November.
Btw, this shit is getting out of hand............Lemmings come to mind.
CqKKEqnPJcw
Meaning you think people won't vote for a woman or a black guy? Anybody who thinks like that wasn't going to vote Democratic to begin with. I think those factors will help the final candidate, especially if it is Obama...
You could be right ,just saying its an X factor that is hard to account for.
nope, Not McCain. The 527's will be running the Rev Wright until November.
Btw, this shit is getting out of hand............Lemmings come to mind.
CqKKEqnPJcw
"this shit is getting out of Hand":lol::lol:
so.cal.fan
04-18-2008, 11:42 AM
I haven't been following the national politics much, I've been in a political campaign here in my small town. (my candidate won, btw).
Now that I have more time.....my first priority is getting back to the track more often.
Second is catching up with the national scene. I'll be reading all these political threads very carefully, as so.cal.fan makes her political choices mostly by the influence of this forum.
I went and got my hair done yesterday, my hair dresser, a Democrat, was saying that she will be voting for McCain....because he is the most "presidential".
She always votes Democratic....she voted for Kerry, Gore, Clinton et all in the last elections. She hasn't suddenly turned conservative.
This I believe is significant.
We are talking about a southern California liberal Democrat..........
It seems that Obama and Clinton have had too contentious of a campaign and it's made them both look "non-presidential" to the average voter.
Will it help McCain.......I'm thinking it will. He is a liberal Republican......which appeals to people like my hairdresser. How many others like her? Remains to be seen.
Like Ralph says, it is going to be interesting.
ceejay
04-18-2008, 03:30 PM
Seriously. Recession, unpopular war, relatively expensive gasoline. The incumbent party should lose. If the D's can't win this time then they should hang it up and fold.
Unfortunately, the dems have yet to offer on eserious solution to any of the problems. They will only make thinkgs worse and anyone who suffered un CArter knows it. The two dem candiates are clueless. Barry Hussein is as libeal as you can get, and Hillary is an out and out lying bitch with no morality or integrity at all. Who but these two misifts could make McCain look good?
so.cal.fan
04-18-2008, 11:00 PM
Like I said on another thread......Tom for President....write him in!
Unfortunately, the dems have yet to offer on eserious solution to any of the problems. They will only make thinkgs worse and anyone who suffered un CArter knows it. The two dem candiates are clueless. Barry Hussein is as libeal as you can get, and Hillary is an out and out lying bitch with no morality or integrity at all. Who but these two misifts could make McCain look good?
You guys slay me. :lol:If a dem canidate floated down from the sky,walked on water to the podium,and proposed a platform of genius caliber solutions to all of our problems,you would proclaim this obviously proved the dem bastard could not be trusted and should not be supported under any circustances.Because after all he's not 'gray':rolleyes:
finfan
04-19-2008, 12:42 AM
What would constitute a landslide in today's divided environment? '84 was a landslide that won't be repeated for a while.
Any predictions on # of states and/or electoral votes for McCain in the fall?
riskman
04-19-2008, 12:48 AM
Not only is this the silliest Democratic offering (& there's been some silly ones) but the general is over there is no possible chance for the Dems. I now predict a resounding thump. Like the sound of Leon Spinks speaking publicly. :rolleyes:
And we end up with McCain. :confused: Who would have thunk? Although I believe I won some loot from a few around here that it wouldn't be Hillary.
Don't count your chickens before they are hatched. A lot can happen before Nov. and Hillary is still not out of the game. McCain did not surprise me--- his only competition was Romney-- and his fellow GOP sharks ate him alive--- it was a feeding frenzy on the "Ken Doll".
PaceAdvantage
04-19-2008, 02:00 AM
Seriously. Recession, unpopular war, relatively expensive gasoline. The incumbent party should lose. If the D's can't win this time then they should hang it up and fold.Funny, I heard much of the same in 2004. Minus the recession part....(but they still weren't giving Bush ANY credit on the economy).
PaceAdvantage
04-19-2008, 02:02 AM
CqKKEqnPJcwLittle known fact about this clip: It was once also used as a recruiting tool by the Heaven's Gate cult. They just changed the lyrics and edited in a few political campaign signs....
You guys slay me. :lol:If a dem canidate floated down from the sky,walked on water to the podium,and proposed a platform of genius caliber solutions to all of our problems,you would proclaim this obviously proved the dem bastard could not be trusted and should not be supported under any circustances.Because after all he's not 'gray':rolleyes:
You better hope a couple come floating down soon, because the ones you have here now have no clue.
Lefty
04-19-2008, 11:44 AM
Hank, if a Dem came floating dn the river and said he would cut taxes, cut useless prgms, and pursue the war on terrorism, then he/she would get my utmost consideration. But the dem party is full of socialist types; soooo, no thanks.
Lefty, they have too many "floaters" now! :lol:
JustRalph
04-19-2008, 12:35 PM
Lefty, they have too many "floaters" now! :lol:
:lol: :lol:
Ned Locke
04-20-2008, 08:27 AM
There will be a landslide with McCain, but it will go almost 20 points against him. Americans are not going to elect a guy that has stated he knows nothing about the economy and wants to remain in Iraq for 100 years. Ain't gonna be close.
When the democrats are done fighting among themselves they will make a whipping boy of old John McCain. But playing out your fantasy, if McCain did win, he'd be workable for democrats. McCain is closer to the Democratic Party than any Republican in history.
The debates and ads are going to make McCain a very tough sell.
Not only is this the silliest Democratic offering (& there's been some silly ones) but the general is over there is no possible chance for the Dems. I now predict a resounding thump. Like the sound of Leon Spinks speaking publicly. :rolleyes:
And we end up with McCain. :confused: Who would have thunk? Although I believe I won some loot from a few around here that it wouldn't be Hillary.
Boris
04-20-2008, 09:00 AM
Meaning you think people won't vote for a woman or a black guy? Anybody who thinks like that wasn't going to vote Democratic to begin with. I think those factors will help the final candidate, especially if it is Obama...
Why do we call him black? If he is half white, can we call him white as easily as we call him black? Maybe the "Mulatto candidate". Is that an offensive word these days?
Obama is McCain's best chance to win. Republicans have no problem sitting at home on election day if there is nothing to vote for, unless a giant liberal is there to vote against.
jballscalls
04-20-2008, 09:52 AM
Why do we call him black? If he is half white, can we call him white as easily as we call him black? Maybe the "Mulatto candidate". Is that an offensive word these days?.
I think Mulatto is on the ever growing list of offensive words. My guess of why they dont call him white is strictly based on skin color, his isnt white. thus he's not called white.
does it really matter what his skin color is?? he's given us enough reasons to not like him for his politics, skin color shouldnt matter.
Lefty
04-20-2008, 11:56 AM
Jballs, I agree. I can certainly vote against him for his statements. Raise taxes, give Iraq back to our enemies etc.
Mcain may have said he knows not much about the economy but the plans he has laid out in detail prove that he was either being modest or taking great advice.
PaceAdvantage
04-20-2008, 11:56 AM
Americans are not going to elect a guy that has stated he knows nothing about the economy and wants to remain in Iraq for 100 years.As Ronald Reagan once said, "There you go again...."
First off, he didn't say he knows nothing about the economy. What he said was, he knows more about foreign policy and military matters compared to economic matters, which is obvious to anyone, considering his background and such.
What McCain said was "The issue of economics is not something I've understood as well as I should." Not "I know nothing about the economy." It's all relative.
A guy who knows nothing about the economy doesn't have "Chairman of the Commerce Committe" on his resume.
And as for Iraq, there is no more qualified person running for President than John McCain when it comes to matters of foreign policy and military operations. Absolutely none. That point is not even up for debate. Obama/Clinton lose every aspect of that comparison.
46zilzal
04-20-2008, 12:11 PM
And as for Iraq, there is no more qualified person running for President than John McCain when it comes to matters of foreign policy and military operations. Absolutely none. That point is not even up for debate. Obama/Clinton lose every aspect of that comparison.
Keep the LIE going as long as the corporations can cash in on the feeding frenzy.
lsbets
04-20-2008, 12:16 PM
Keep the LIE going as long as the corporations can cash in on the feeding frenzy.
So are you trying in your own convoluted way to say that Obama or Clinton are more qualified to be CINC than McCain? I'm trying to see how your comment had anything to do with PA's statement that McCain is more qualified. Do you ever read what you respond to?
PaceAdvantage
04-20-2008, 12:17 PM
Keep the LIE going as long as the corporations can cash in on the feeding frenzy.Interesting, but haven't corporations given more to Democrats this campaign than Repbublicans? Kind of kills your theory, does it not?
Ned Locke
04-20-2008, 12:18 PM
As Ronald Reagan once said, "There you go again...."
Be bwerry, bwerry careful using the Old Dementia as a source. He's fallen out of grace with the passage of time. We've gotten to a point where he's lookin better in his crypt than in our memories.
Old Trickle Down Reagan, but at least the worms got their share.
PaceAdvantage
04-20-2008, 12:20 PM
Be bwerry, bwerry careful using the Old Dementia as a source. He's fallen out of grace with the passage of time. We've gotten to a point where he's lookin better in his crypt than in our memories.
Old Trickle Down Reagan, but at least the worms got their share.Slightly different IP address, but same old shit, eh?
Lefty
04-20-2008, 12:26 PM
zilly, i wish you had the ability to explain your positions instead of the usual putdowns.
PaceAdvantage
04-20-2008, 12:26 PM
Instead of a comeback containing intelligent discourse about McCain's supposed total lack of economic knowledge, this clown ("Ned Locke") instead resorts to the old, boring spin of harping on the fact that Reagan died of old age....wow....I'm floored intellectually....:lol:
46zilzal
04-20-2008, 12:49 PM
Old Trickle Down Reagan, but at least the worms got their share.
That was Hoover's philosophy and look where it got the economy THEN as it did in raising the National Debt under Little Ronnie (WHO was a putz as governor so no wonder he was a clown as prez)
boxcar
04-20-2008, 01:06 PM
ever since McCain won in New Hampshire I've been predicting a republican landslide in November. the funny part is if you listen to the dem's all along they felt that this election was going to be a slam dunk. they're in deep doodoo and don't even know it.
Au contraire! The Dem leadership knows they're in deep poop. And they're really be in it even deeper if DarthHill wins the PA primary.
But I'll tell you who doesn't have a clue and know much of anything: Most libs are too stupid to recognize or just unwilling to acknowledge the true colors of the DemRat Party, as these two sorry morons go about their business of devouring one another. The hypocrisy of both is more than any sane human being can bear.
Boxcar
ArlJim78
04-20-2008, 02:47 PM
Au contraire! The Dem leadership knows they're in deep poop. And they're really be in it even deeper if DarthHill wins the PA primary.
But I'll tell you who doesn't have a clue and know much of anything: Most libs are too stupid to recognize or just unwilling to acknowledge the true colors of the DemRat Party, as these two sorry morons go about their business of devouring one another. The hypocrisy of both is more than any sane human being can bear.
Boxcar
yeah you're right, I'm sure the leadership knows the the pit they're sinking in.
to botch this election given the war, economy, unpopular pres, etc, will be a blunder of monumental proportions.
great signature btw.
Lefty
04-21-2008, 11:45 AM
ziilly, you're just a silly socialist and your attack on Reagon shows it. Reagan took interest ratesdown, lowered taxes and saved the economy that Carter almost destroyed; not to mention help to bring dn communism to a new low level. Man, you're the worst. BTW, the dems in Congress did the spending, but even with that, goodtimes.
JustRalph
04-21-2008, 04:29 PM
Be bwerry, bwerry careful using the Old Dementia as a source. He's fallen out of grace with the passage of time. We've gotten to a point where he's lookin better in his crypt than in our memories.
Old Trickle Down Reagan, but at least the worms got their share.
When a Dem wins 49 States some day, you can go after Reagan. Until then............ you are a re-tread troll.
46zilzal
04-21-2008, 04:51 PM
When a Dem wins 49 States some day, you can go after Reagan. Until then............ you are a re-tread troll.
This crowd hates repetition of the truth.
Indulto
04-21-2008, 09:12 PM
That was Hoover's philosophy and look where it got the economy THEN as it did in raising the National Debt under Little Ronnie (WHO was a putz as governor so no wonder he was a clown as prez)46,
I'm a little disappointed in your demeaning the now defenseless Mr. Reagan whose heart was probably in the right place even if his mind wasn't.
Had we all understood dementia better (and exactly when he became afflicted), we would have known to blame his simplistic solutions arising from the oversimplified assumptions required to obtain his cooperation on the power-corrupted few who manipulated his office(s).
America decided "folksy" was what they wanted starting with Johnson. After Nixon, Jimmy won us over followed by Ronnie when we decided we didn't really want a preacher. G.H.W. Bush was a folksy extension of Ronnie until Willy showed us folksy could be foxy. When folksy Al tried to run away from wayward Willy, folksy Dubya took over with the help of some Florida folks.
We don't need no f__king folksy this time around.
We need serious, realistic statements about what can and can't be done and why. We don't need candidates who try to convince us that they're really just like us, that they understand us individually, or that they share all our values.
I want them to tell us that they know that even though we're all Americans, we don't have the same dreams or difficulties, and that they're going to address the ones most important to most of us.
I want them to show the vision that will enable them to pounce on opportunities when they present themselves without oppressing or overpaying. I want them to right wrongs, not commit wrongdoing. I think the first step is campign financing reform.
Lefty
04-21-2008, 09:39 PM
indulto, his "simplistic" solutions, as you call them, worked damn well.
Capaign finance reform? Yeau, that worked really well last time didn't it?
Lefty
04-21-2008, 09:47 PM
zilly, you and the other anti capitalists on this board wouldn't know the truth if you found it in a.a,a, a Birthday Cake!
jballscalls
04-21-2008, 10:01 PM
zilly, you and the other anti capitalists on this board wouldn't know the truth if you found it in a.a,a, a Birthday Cake!
who's anti-capitalist???
Lefty
04-21-2008, 10:27 PM
JB, if you read a lot of posts, it should be clear as a bell. But in case it isn't, I think zilly, light, h'cap lbj, sec and others are clearly of the socialist persuasion. That's an anti-capitalist. It's my opinion and i'm unanimous in that.
46zilzal
04-21-2008, 10:35 PM
46,
I'm a little disappointed in your demeaning the now defenseless Mr. Reagan whose heart was probably in the right place even if his mind wasn't.
Reagan was a political putz as governor long before he showed the same putz-ness as prez.
Lefty
04-21-2008, 10:39 PM
zilly zilly zilly. No facts, from you, just opinions.
As a guy who had who paid 19% interest on a mobile home during Carter, I thank God for Reagan. Some hostages prob do too.
This crowd hates repetition of the truth.
You can't handle the truth.
JustRalph
04-21-2008, 11:07 PM
Reagan was a political putz as governor long before he showed the same putz-ness as prez.
yep, Thousands always turn out for a funeral for a Putz.............
You are so out there sometimes..............you have to be embarrassed some times, don't you? :ThmbDown:
46zilzal
04-22-2008, 12:31 AM
Part of the putzness: One of his famous quotations was: "You see one redwood tree, you've seen them all."
He was all for cutting down the last groves of ancient Redwoods and providing a plastic one to travel around the state to show people what they were.
It ain't the same thing your putzness.
Trees cause more pollution than automobiles do." -- Ronald Reagan, 1981
"A tree is a tree. How many more do you have to look at?" -- Ronald Reagan, 1966, opposing expansion of Redwood National Park as governor of California.
"Facts are stupid things." -- Ronald Reagan, 1988, a misquote of John Adams, "Facts are stubborn things."
"We think there is a parallel between federal involvement in education and the decline in profit over recent years." -- Ronald Reagan, 1983. (It's always good to run the Department of Education to make money.)
"Fascism was really the basis for the New Deal." Ronald Reagan, 1976, on his failed campaign for the Republican nomination. (Moron.)
"The best minds are not in government." -- Ronald Reagan. (Not in his government anyway.)
"This fellow they've nominated claims he's the new Thomas Jefferson. Well let me tell you something; I knew Thomas Jefferson. He was a friend of mine and Governor... You're no Thomas Jefferson!" -- Ronald Reagan, 1992
Lefty
04-22-2008, 12:40 AM
zilly, Reagan won 2 presidential elections. Refresh my memory:How many did Adlai Stevenson win? What? I can't heeear you...
46zilzal
04-22-2008, 12:46 AM
"You can't help those who simply will not be helped. One problem that we've had, even in the best of times, is people who are sleeping on the grates, the homeless who are homeless, you might say, by choice." -- President Reagan, 1/31/84, on Good Morning America, defending his administration against charges of callousness.
Yes each and everyone of them? classical black and white thinking, or rather NOT thinking at all.
PaceAdvantage
04-22-2008, 02:38 AM
Hey zil, what President made you move to Canada?
JustRalph
04-22-2008, 02:51 AM
That's nice...........you even included the quotes where he was doing a comedy bit....... you are a genius. :ThmbDown:
Meaning you think people won't vote for a woman or a black guy? Anybody who thinks like that wasn't going to vote Democratic to begin with. I think those factors will help the final candidate, especially if it is Obama...
You got it right.
As for the election. A while back i had said Hillary was odds on fav to win the nomination. I must now reverse that statement. Obama is now the fav and will beat McCain in November. Sorry to upset you guys but the pendulum has swung as far right as it is going to and started swinging left in the last national election . This will go on for about 40 years and then start swinging back to the right. You guys have had you day in the sun it's all over for you now.
Note to Tom, bookmark this page. :lol:
Whatch gonna do when all those little McCainiacs run wild on YOU?
I would assume you are now a Clinton supporter Tom, she is now speaking of "nuking" them.
To be the man, you have to beat the man.
Or, in Hill-Rod's case, BE a man! :lol:
No, no, ljb, she is first and foremost a liar.
How could I be sure she would press the button? :rolleyes:
prospector
04-22-2008, 10:12 AM
Whatch gonna do when all those little McCainiacs run wild on YOU?
that was funny on raw last night to see all three using wrestling quotes to make their case...
jballscalls
04-22-2008, 10:15 AM
Trees cause more pollution than automobiles do." -- Ronald Reagan, 1981
Reagan was partially right on this one, "In hot weather, trees release volatile organic hydrocarbons including terpenes and isoprenes - two molecules linked to photochemical smog. In very hot weather, the production of these begins to accelerate. "
46zilzal
04-22-2008, 10:26 AM
Hey zil, what President made you move to Canada?
none
Was it a crowd of farmers with torches and pitchforks? ;)
GaryG
04-22-2008, 11:48 AM
Whatever the reason, zilly in Canada is "addition by subtraction" for the US of A.
Lefty
04-22-2008, 11:52 AM
zilly, here in Vegas I see a lot of homeless; lots of middle age and young peoplewho ARE homeless by choice and knows where every freebie is, whether it's govt or privately sponsotred. We'll always have homeless and poverty and there'snothing that can really be done about it. Spending trillions on it as we have, not the solution. I'm all for private charities but want the govt welfare stopped. You're right, people likeyou can't be helped, as you think the govt is the answer.
JustRalph
04-22-2008, 12:24 PM
Was it a crowd of farmers with torches and pitchforks? ;)
:lol: :lol:
chickenhead
04-23-2008, 04:11 PM
don't know if anyone else happened to see it, but caught K Rove on the telly last night, basically word for word reiterated what GT said here regarding what will play out.
I think Karl may be a lurker here...
delayjf
04-23-2008, 05:02 PM
I think Karl may be a lurker here
Have you ever noticed that you never see both Karl Rove AND GT in the same room together...Hmmm :D
GameTheory
04-23-2008, 05:23 PM
Have you ever noticed that you never see both Karl Rove AND GT in the same room together...Hmmm :DWell, it isn't like I made up those ideas -- I was listening to someone on the radio (not Karl Rove -- some journalist) a few months ago give race-by-race details of similar scenarios to refute the idea that chaos on one side doesn't mean "self-destruction" or even any disadvantage. It's main effect seems to be that the eventual candidate that emerges "looks like a winner" and it takes away time from his opponent to find the best tactics to erode his/her support. Or it could be that the side that appears to be bickering just has more overall support at that point in time (and thus has lots of energy behind its general movement, even if it takes them a while to focus it on one person). But I think there is some momentum gained just after finally dispatching your intra-party rivals that will help if it happens late enough to be close to the general election.
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