Yeh, Apparently, "The Ruta Rules"

[skate]

From Hiccups post
ABC News reports:

The Bush Administration apparently does not want a U.S. military study that found no direct connection between Saddam Hussein and al Qaeda to get any attention. This morning, the Pentagon cancelled plans to send out a press release announcing the report's release and will no longer make the report available online.

:blush:




What the Libs (via Hiccups) didnt tell about the report.

D. Wurmser says, This is the beginning of the process of exposing Saddam's involvement in Islamic terror. But it is only the beginning. Time and declassification I'm sure will reveal yet more," he said. "Even so, this report is damning to those who doubted Saddam Hussein's involvement with Jihadist terrorist groups. It devastates one of the central myths plaguing our government prior to 9-11, that a Jihadist group would not cooperate with a secular regime and vice versa."

WASHINGTON — A Pentagon review of about 600,000 documents captured in the Iraq war attests to Saddams willingness to use terrorism to target Americans and work closely with jihadist organizations throughout the Middle East.

The report, released this week by the Institute for Defense Analyses, says it found no "smoking gun" linking Iraq operationally to Al Qaeda. But it does say Saddam collaborated with known Al Qaeda affiliates and a wider constellation of Islamist terror groups.

The report, titled "Saddam and Terrorism: Emerging Insights from Captured Iraqi Documents," finds that:

• The Iraqi Intelligence Service in a 1993 memo to Saddam agreed on a plan to train commandos from Egyptian Islamic Jihad, the group that assassinated Anwar Sadat and was founded by Al Qaeda's second-in-command, Ayman al-Zawahiri.

This report goes on.

The Ruta Rules

[46zilzal]

This is on par with the Russians claiming they were the first to fly....Only problem with that is just like this, it was retro-engineered baloney.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/5328592.stm

http://www.cnn.com/2008/US/03/13/alqaeda.saddam/

"The report released by the Joint Forces Command five years after the U.S.-led invasion of Iraq said it found no "smoking gun" after reviewing about 600,000 Iraqi documents captured in the invasion and looking at interviews of key Iraqi leadership held by the United States, Pentagon officials said."

"The Pentagon's report also contradicts then-Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld, who said in September 2002 that the CIA provided "bulletproof" evidence demonstrating "that there are, in fact, al Qaeda in Iraq."


Most of the terrorism was aimed at keeping Hussein and his Baath party in power, according to Pentagon officials.

[skate]

Smoke this


The Iraqi Intelligence Service in a 1993 memo to Saddam agreed on a plan to train commandos from Egyptian Islamic Jihad, the group that assassinated Anwar Sadat and was founded by Al Qaeda's second-in-command, Ayman al-Zawahiri.

You take a very small part, which i stated already, and you go no further. Read the report.

[46zilzal]

The report says what it says: NO CONNECTION no matter how you want to try and change the conclusions.

[skate]

What a waste you are.

Smoke this;

In the same year, Saddam ordered his intelligence service to "form a group to start hunting Americans present on Arab soil; especially Somalia." At the time, Al Qaeda was working with warlords against American forces there.
• Saddam's intelligence services maintained extensive support networks for a wide range of Palestinian Arab terrorist organizations, including but not limited to Hamas. Among the other Palestinian groups Saddam supported at the time was Force 17, the private army loyal to Yasser Arafat.

• Beginning in 1999, Iraq's intelligence service began providing "financial and moral support" for a small radical Islamist Kurdish sect the report does not name. A Kurdish Islamist group called Ansar al Islam in 2002 would try to assassinate the regional prime minister in the eastern Kurdish region, Barham Salih.





In the same year, Saddam ordered his intelligence service to "form a group to start hunting Americans present on Arab soil; especially Somalia." At the time, Al Qaeda was working with warlords against American forces there.

:lol: All in the report

[46zilzal]

That proves nothing to alter the lead part of the article NO CONNECTION to anything happening internationally. NADA

[skate]

But it does say Saddam collaborated with known Al Qaeda affiliates and a wider constellation of Islamist terror groups.

What say you, are you a "lie or truth".


Do you give me the priviledge of calling you "a LIE"

"Coollaborated with Known Al Qaeda", that's what the report concludes.

"The Ruta Rules"

[46zilzal]

Searching. Things happening in parallel do not mean connected.


"While these documents do not reveal direct coordination and assistance between the Saddam regime and the al Qaeda network, they do indicate that Saddam was willing to use, albeit cautiously, operatives affiliated with al Qaeda as long as Saddam could have these terrorist-operatives monitored closely. Because Saddam's security organizations and Osama bin Laden's terrorist network operated with similar aims (at least in the short term), considerable overlap was inevitable when monitoring, contacting, financing, and training the same outside groups. This created both the appearance of and, in some way, a "de facto" link between the organizations. At times, these organizations would work together in pursuit of shared goals but still maintain their autonomy and independence because of innate caution and mutual distrust. Though the execution of Iraqi terror plots was not always successful, evidence shows that Saddam’s use of terrorist tactics and his support for terrorist groups remained strong up until the collapse of the regime."

[Marshall Bennett]

Your turn Skate . :cool:

[skate]

Your turn Skate . :cool:

her last sentence says enough


" But it does say Saddam collaborated with known Al Qaeda affiliates and a wider constellation of Islamist terror groups.":kiss:

[46zilzal]

her last sentence says enough


" But it does say Saddam collaborated with known Al Qaeda affiliates and a wider constellation of Islamist terror groups."
That is not reason enough to tab him as having ANYTHING to do with 9/11 nor the over 4,000 dead soldiers who were sacrificed for a dream.

[delayjf]

That is not reason enough to tab him as having ANYTHING to do with 9/11
And President Bush never said that they did, if fact he stated that Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11. Cheney never claimed they had an operational relationship - meaning they were directly involved with the execution of 9/11. He said there were links between AQ and Saddam. The 9/11 commission stated there were no "operational" links between AQ and Saddam. That doesn't mean there were no links whatsoever.

[46zilzal]

And President Bush never said that they did, if fact he stated that Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11. Cheney never claimed they had an operational relationship - meaning they were directly involved with the execution of 9/11. He said there were links between AQ and Saddam. The 9/11 commission stated there were no "operational" links between AQ and Saddam. That doesn't mean there were no links whatsoever.
So then why are over 3500 men/women dead in Iraq?

Come these idiots had war in Iraq on schedule from day one.

[delayjf]

Because 9/11 changed everything. No longer could the US allow a country that according to several different Intel agencies in at least two countries - where attempted to rebuild their WMD programs. It was the best intel available at that time and President Bush rightly determined that we were not going to take that chance anymore - not after 9/11.

[PaceAdvantage]

So then why are over 3500 men/women dead in Iraq?What the hell do you care? They're all "mindless drones," remember buddy?

You don't give two shits about soldiers or any member of the US military. In fact, you hate these kinds of people. You're bigoted against them, just like a white supremacist is towards non-white folks.

Cut the crap. Don't try and make us think you actually CARE about these casualties of war.

If you had your way, there would be no soldiers, so why do you care about 3500 dead ones? They're just "mindless drones" anyway....right 46?

[Tom]

Come these idiots had war in Iraq on schedule from day one.

What language is this? Was it part of a poem?

[hcap]

Skate you are like a kid with a new shiny toy. Or maybe a cat shasing a flash light beam on the wall.

You are in fact not quoting from the actual PENTAGON report.
You are using interpretation of the report-after the fact from THE NEW YORK SUN. Not exactly truth in reporting.

http://www.nysun.com/article/72906?page_no=3
This is what YOU say....
D. Wurmser says, This is the beginning of the process of exposing Saddam's involvement in Islamic terror. But it is only the beginning. Time and declassification I'm sure will reveal yet more," he said. "Even so, this report is damning to those who doubted Saddam Hussein's involvement with Jihadist terrorist groups. It devastates one of the central myths plaguing our government prior to 9-11, that a Jihadist group would not cooperate with a secular regime and vice versa."

The full passage from THE SUN not the Pentagon report says...

A former Bush administration official who was a member of the counter-terrorism evaluation group that analyzed terror networks and links between terrorists and states, David Wurmser, said he felt the report began to vindicate his point of view.

"This is the beginning of the process of exposing Saddam's involvement in Islamic terror. But it is only the beginning. Time and declassification I'm sure will reveal yet more," he said. "Even so, this report is damning to those who doubted Saddam Hussein's involvement with Jihadist terrorist groups. It devastates one of the central myths plaguing our government prior to 9-11, that a Jihadist group would not cooperate with a secular regime and vice versa."

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Skate, your usual meaningless crap. Using an admitted biased source-a admitted opinion piece as a proxy for the real report which in fact concludes just the opposite. And a former admitted proven liar Wurmser-a former neocon member of the White house group that helped sell the war is ludicrous.

Just keep your eye on the shiny beam on the wall.

[46zilzal]

What the hell do you care? They're all "mindless drones," remember buddy?


Cut the crap. Don't try and make us think you actually CARE about these casualties of war.

If you had your way, there would be no soldiers, so why do you care about 3500 dead ones? They're just "mindless drones" anyway....right 46?
As a physician, any life that is lost is a waste particularly these poor misguided people.

[lsbets]

As a physician, any life that is lost is a waste particularly these poor misguided people.

You're not a physician, you're a manure shoveler, remember?

[46zilzal]

You're not a physician, you're a manure shoveler, remember?
According to the dimwits in Texas. Once you gain that degree you get the title for life. I now work as a photographer/television camera man.

[skate]

And President Bush never said that they did, if fact he stated that Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11. Cheney never claimed they had an operational relationship - meaning they were directly involved with the execution of 9/11. He said there were links between AQ and Saddam. The 9/11 commission stated there were no "operational" links between AQ and Saddam. That doesn't mean there were no links whatsoever.:ThmbUp:

Man, these guys are too too Thick. We have to conclude "nobody can be this Stupid".

They can't face defeat by UncleGeorge, remains the only reason for being this obstinate.

[Marshall Bennett]

According to the dimwits in Texas. Once you gain that degree you get the title for life. I now work as a photographer/television camera man.
In a single sentence , you insult over 21 million people refering to us as
" dimwits " . What class !!