Allhorseracing.com

[Anderon]

Allhorseracing.com

Has anyone had any experience with this ADW? I would like to hear the feedback on them if there is any, good or bad. My main concerns would be, is there online wagering system easy to make wagers and is it very fast in submitting those wagers. Can you wager right up to post time or do they shut it off a little early?
Do they also credit those rebates daily or weekly and when making withdrawls do they send them to you in a timely matter. I think I also read you can only deposit so much per day or per week, so is that limited?

Thanks

[Cangamble]

They appear to be bookmakers. They only offer a 3% rebate:

Wagering Highlights

Win, Place, Show, Daily Doubles, Exactas, Quiniellas, Trifectas, Superfectas, Pick 3, and Pick 4.
Win, Place, Show wagers pay full track odds!
(All other wagers pay full track odds up to a maximum payout of 300 times your original bet amount.)
There are no limits on how much you can place on any one horse or bet type.

[Anderon]

Ya, I've read what they offer but I was wondering if anyone is currently using them or have ever used them and what they have to say about them, basically are they any good to use.

[falconridge]

It must be at least a year since I last wagered at Allhorseracing.com. When I signed up about two years ago, I believe new members received a ten-percent bonus on their initial deposit (e.g., deposit $300, and you get $330 in your wagering accoung). I can't swear that that figure's correct, as memory no longer serves as faithfully as it once did.

As Cangamble mentions, this outfit does appear to be a bookmaking operation, as it imposes a 300-1 limit on exotics payoffs while paying full track odds on successful win, place, and show wagers. A few other drawbacks:

wagers submitted within five minutes of the scheduled post time are not accepted;
odds updates tend to be infrequent, which necessitates monitoring the track's website or another ADW for current odds;
the mechanism for submitting wagers isn't too bad, although it's a bit more cumbersome than at other ADW's, such as Youbet, TVG, and Xpressbet;
free withdrawals are limited to four per month; for more, it will cost you $30 per withdrawal (for some reason, that was never an issue with me :rolleyes: )
I can't remember if there is a limit on the number of deposits one can make over the course of a day, week, or month. Withdrawals are issued via first-class USPS. Mine arrived within a few days--comparable to (or at least nearly as prompt as) domestic ADW's. Which brings me to another point: this is definitely an off-shore operation; its tech support, a customer service representative told me, is located in Northern Ireland. Now, a lot has happened on the off-shore ADW front since I used this service--and there are doubtless many other PA members better qualified than the undersigned to comment on the pros (if any) or cons (if any) of subscribing to such a service.

Bear in mind that some of Allhorseracing.com's policies and operations may have changed in twelve-to-fifteen months that have elapsed since I last used this service.

--falconridge

[Anderon]

Thanks Falcon !! :)

[falconridge]

There is no audio/visual at the Allhorseracing.com web site--not even links to the tracks on which this operation accepts wagers.
They're somewhat slow to credit winnings to bettors' wagering accounts. Dividends do not appear immediately after the track posts the official results; so, if you've placed your winning bet as you're speeding up to the Tap City limits, funds may not be available for wagering on another race that's going off just a few minutes hence. These longeurs are comparable to what players must endure when betting on, say, the Australian or U.K. cards offered on youbet.com, xpresspet.com, or TVG.com. Winnings are credited, of course, but you'll have to wait--anywhere from ten to fifteen minutes once the race has been declared official.

[Anderon]

That does suck.....I would guess that's why you don't use them anymore huh. What was the main reason you stopped using them.

[bigmack]

Allhorseracing.com
I would like to hear the feedback on them if there is any, good or bad.
They score a D- with Sportsbook Review

http://www.sportsbookreview.com/SR.aspx?S=AllHorseRacing

[Anderon]

Thanks BigMack, I appreciate the info !! :)

[Light]

wagers submitted within five minutes of the scheduled post time are not accepted

You should run,not walk away from any ADW with any rule like this. I had to fight tooth and nail to get paid from an ADW who disputed the "off" time with me.Yet Equibase backed me up and the customer service for the racetrack in question also backed up the official time.They still wouldn't pay with a time stamp on my cyber ticket showing I bet before the off time.With them located offshore,you are powerless. You cant sue. I had to drag their ass with embarrassment and loss of business before I got paid.Their final explanation was I bet too close to the "off" time.

The other problem I had with offshores is some dont honor pk4 payouts when it pays on 3 out of 4.They just dont understand American racing. They are actually moronic in their lack of knowledge of American betting rules. When you explain the way it works,they say you can only get paid on "consolations" payouts on track,not offshore.When you tell them nobody on the planet picked 4 and it is not a consolation but the actual pk4 payoff,because pk4's dont have consolation payouts, they hang up.It gets uglier. They finally paid me off on my first 3 out of 4 pk4 with them,then refused to pay out on 2 subsequent ones saying they warned me. That's when I pulled out.I never got paid for those 2 pk4's. When there was a late scratch in the in a pk3 or a pk4,you were in deep doodoo. It always worked to their advantage. Now I only use American ADW with no rebates,but also no headaches.

BTW,I have a first hand account of someone withdrawing $5k from Bodog and having Bodog's check bounce. Took another month and a half to straighten it out. I think ADW's feel they can be idiots or negligent due to their offshore status from lawsuits.

[Anderon]

Thanks for the info Light. That's the biggest fear or concern for me to try and do business with an offshore ADW....their is no recourse in all actuality !!

[lurker]

I was recently shown the door by allhorseracing.com. The reason was " Manangement decision". i have no problem with that. The problem I had with them was their withdrawal policies. The max you can takeout in one transaction is $2500. And one free payput per month. Last year I beat them for about $10,000 on the Super Bowl. I had been taking out $2500 per month, but kept winning. This year I beat them for my balance of $8,000 on the Superbowl and my account was closed. I have no propblem with them doingthis, however they never informed me. I was checking my email and saw that I had confirmations of several withdrawals that I did not make. They then locked my account so I couldn't see my balance or pending wagers. The final fallout was:

I had to pay $40 for each $2500 withdrawal
All of my pending futures were cancelled
I lost the value of my poker gold coins, which could be used for bu ins

I have written them several times with no response.

A much better option is either Bookmaker.com or E horse.

[Anderon]

Thanks Lurker for that info on Allhorseracing.com. The more I hear and read on them the worse it gets, so there is no way I'm going to use them.

There is something else that has been just eating me up in the wagering world. It seems it's allright for them (books) to make money but when you start making money on a regular basis or even make money by the means they set forth and offer and you even play by their rules they shut you off or say we don't want your business anymore go somewhere else. To me if they offer the product they should eat what ever profits or losses they incurr as part off doing business. Seems to me everything is against the player and of course for the house. What I mean is that when you truly figure out how to make consistant money and win regularly they stop you. They only want the ones that lose all the time. I really get frustrated on this issue, it make me boil !! :mad:

[lurker]

Bookmakers are in business to make a profit. Sports betting is different than horse betting. If a large bet comes in to move a game from -7 to -8, the bookmaker has a chance to write an opposite. The same does not hold true in horse betting. If a book is holding a lot of money on a 2-5 exacta, they can't start calling people and saying "I'll give you track plus 15% on the 1-2 exacta". A betting exchange which only matches wagers could care less. You might want to look into them. Winning players will find that they are either shown the door, or their wagers will be co mingled.