Spitzer in trouble

[ponypro]

Is that good or bad for NYRA, I dont follow that

[JustRalph]

I just heard he has already resigned............

A more Liberal Governor has taken over............ :ThmbDown:

Hide your wallets in NY :lol:

[Spendabuck85]

In response to a report that he had been involved in a prostitution ring, Gov. Eliot Spitzer issued a statement Monday, apologizing to his family and state residents and saying he had not lived up to the high standards he had set for himself. (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23561606/)

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23561606/

[JustRalph]

I just heard former Senator Alfonse Demato say that he has been told that the Governor has already resigned............. Amazing.......... once again the power of the poon brings down a politician :lol:

[Steve 'StatMan']

Wonder if it is too late for NYRA to get the Racetracks and Casino that Spitzer & Company all but extorted from them?

[alysheba88]

Have found nothing saying he resigned. Nothing. Anyone have a link?

[onefast99]

Spitzer was the reason several of the top strip clubs in NY got hit with major lawsuits while he was the Attorney general. I guess that was where the girls he had his way with worked at night!!! See you later Gov maybe you can get Corzine to run both states:lol:

[firstofftheclaim]

you know how many people are lined up to dance on this guy's grave? goodness me.

[Steve 'StatMan']

Time magazine had named him “Crusader of the Year” when he was attorney general and the tabloids proclaimed him “Eliot Ness.”


I guess now they can proclaim him "Eliot Mess." :p

[oddsmaven]

MSNBC's site says that FED wire taps got him calling "Kristen", high priced call girl.

[ponypro]

I dont understand how these political wifes stand by their men at these press conferences. The only way my wife would stand there with that level of humilation would be if she had a glock pointed at my temple!

[westny]

I dont understand how these political wifes stand by their men at these press conferences. The only way my wife would stand there with that level of humilation would be if she had a glock pointed at my temple!


Maybe IF your wife lived in a mansion, had a 7/24 limo, a tax payer supported life-style-of the rich and famous, celebrity-status...she'd turn a blind eye like every other political wife whose political hubby was :lol: caught doing the "bad thing"

[JustRalph]

Maybe IF your wife lived in a mansion, had a 7/24 limo, a tax payer supported life-style-of the rich and famous, celebrity-status...she'd turn a blind eye like every other political wife whose political hubby was :lol: caught doing the "bad thing"


Remember he is a trust fund baby too

His father is reported to be worth 600 million

ESpitz will probably get a ton of that when the ole man dies. She ain't going anywhere

[Jeff P]

And here I am making posts in another thread questioning the validity of 1 track photo out of 10,000... yikes! :bang: :bang:

-jp

.

[CryingForTheHorses]

In response to a report that he had been involved in a prostitution ring, Gov. Eliot Spitzer issued a statement Monday, apologizing to his family and state residents and saying he had not lived up to the high standards he had set for himself. (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23561606/)

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23561606/

VIVA Viagra!!!..ps If your erection lasts more then 4 hours,Please consult your Hooker!!

[OTM Al]

He has not resigned yet, but it should only be a matter of time. He was always dirty and just a wannabe. No where close to the pros in NY politics but too stupid to realize. No big loss. I don't think the NYRA deal will be affected but its going to have to bend to Bruno's will now

[wonatthewire1]

Up to $5,500 per hour?

And my wife says I spend too much.

:faint:

[cj]

I haven't stopped laughing, and it has been a few hours.

[JustRalph]

check out the complaint here

http://www.wnbc.com/download/2008/0310/15557442.pdf

In reading this I see this is an "international" operation.

This could reach overseas to some other high profile types............could get interesting. Some stuff in LA and Beverly Hills too............

[Pace Cap'n]

PICTURES PICTURES PICTURES (scroll down)

www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/03/10/emperors-club-all-about-_n_90768.html (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/03/10/emperors-club-all-about-_n_90768.html)

[Fwizard]

5,000 per hour...I have been with a few women in my life but for that much it better give the Pic 4 after you are done...

[bigmack]

PICTURES PICTURES PICTURES (scroll down)
What Paige needs is management like my friend O'Daniel. First thing he'd tell her is to re-shoot her godawful picture. She looks like she suffers from hemroids.

http://i165.photobucket.com/albums/u70/macktime/3_10_08_18_10_19.png

[jognlope]

He has dirty look about him, that's what he gets for his snottiness, arrogance and lack of awareness of others' value.

[dylbert]

Couldn't happen to a nicer guy! :lol:

And who believes this was his first time... :lol:

[dylbert]

PMSNBC just went to commercial playing off with Carly Simon's "You're So Vain" and pictures of soon-to-be departed Gov. Spitzer. You can't make this sh!t up... :lol:

He should have just gone to Minneapolis-St. Paul airport and tapped his foot. :bang:

[Steve 'StatMan']

$5,500 an hour! Can blow you wad in 2 different ways!

Can't help but say it, but at that price, the guy sure as hell better come twice - the first one is the easy one, but for $5,500, they'd better earn it to on the second one!

:eek:

:blush:

[bigmack]

I learn that as a Jewish boy he never had a bar mitzvah. Maybe, just maybe that was where this unseemly behavior stems.

Lesson to all you kids out there: Get mitzvah'd.

http://www.grahamandgrahamphotography.com/bottledance_tn.jpg

[slewis]

Wonder if it is too late for NYRA to get the Racetracks and Casino that Spitzer & Company all but extorted from them?


Yeah right,

Spitzer, Bruno and the citizens of the state of NY extorted that land from NYRA.
How dare the citizens of any state regulate gambling within their juristiction.
Let's pronounce NYRA the "INDIAN TRIBE OF THE MILLENIUM".
THEY ANSWER TO NO ONE!!!!!! POW WOW !!
We'll protect them with treaty's just like those Seminole's.
Is this the NYRA you mean ? That owed 100's of millions in property taxes (unpaid), violated federal tax laws and who used taxpayer money, (given to them by the state to continue to stay solvent,) instead to hire well connected law firms to fabricate a ridiculous arguement that "they" own the land.

[Steve 'StatMan']

Yeah right,

Spitzer, Bruno and the citizens of the state of NY extorted that land from NYRA.
How dare the citizens of any state regulate gambling within their juristiction.
Let's pronounce NYRA the "INDIAN TRIBE OF THE MILLENIUM".
THEY ANSWER TO NO ONE!!!!!! POW WOW !!
We'll protect them with treaty's just like those Seminole's.
Is this the NYRA you mean ? That owed 100's of millions in property taxes (unpaid), violated federal tax laws and who used taxpayer money, (given to them by the state to continue to stay solvent,) instead to hire well connected law firms to fabricate a ridiculous arguement that "they" own the land.

Why were they paying property taxes on a property they supposedly didn't own?

I could care less if they got a casino.

Plenty of rats all around of course.

I'm not from the NY area or the east,

[PaceAdvantage]

Yeah right,

Spitzer, Bruno and the citizens of the state of NY extorted that land from NYRA.
How dare the citizens of any state regulate gambling within their juristiction.
Let's pronounce NYRA the "INDIAN TRIBE OF THE MILLENIUM".
THEY ANSWER TO NO ONE!!!!!! POW WOW !!
We'll protect them with treaty's just like those Seminole's.
Is this the NYRA you mean ? That owed 100's of millions in property taxes (unpaid), violated federal tax laws and who used taxpayer money, (given to them by the state to continue to stay solvent,) instead to hire well connected law firms to fabricate a ridiculous arguement that "they" own the land.Listen man, I know you like to think you're the "in" guy here, but let's not forget the fact that Joseph Bruno sucked up to NYRA during their supposed dirtiest days. He was their biggest cheerleader, and quite frankly, it bothers me to no end that he gets to take the high and mighty road when it is politically convenient to do so.

There is no way you will ever convince me that every politician that has ever uttered the phrase "NYRA" is just as guilty (and probably more so) than the NYRA ever was of anything.....ever.....

I still think the most obscure, yet most hypocritical Spitzer ever was, was when he was on CNBC criticizing the Bush Administration for indicting the entire Arthur Anderson accounting firm for their role in Enron. He said the entire company should not have been indicted because a lot of innocent people lost their jobs. Then Spitzer goes and trumpets the indictment of the entire NYRA for the crimes of a couple of tellers and a boss who looked the other way.

Karma in action today, I suppose....

[riskman]

you know how many people are lined up to dance on this guy's grave? goodness me.

And I am one of them.

Spitzer is without a doubt one of the biggest idiots in American History.

He manages to destroy two companies(one of which I worked for the other in which I brokered business), the rank and file from the mailroom to the board room, the investors of the company who were innocent and every pension plan and mom and pop who hade their savings and 401K's and retirement plans in the company.

He had destroyed the lives and savings of innocent people who have worked their entire lives.

There a 1000 different ways that this could have handled but he took the approach that would get him the most press before his election.

The poor boys on that lacrosse team were abused by a out of control persecutor but that was NOTHING compared to the ten's of thousands of people lives and tens of billions of dollars in the life savings of honest people that have been destroyed by this egomaniac.

Now he runs with the same ego in New York State and his own corruption, ego and greed go unchecked.

Did Elliot Spitzer destroy AIG and M&M yes he did and for no good reason but to get press for his election.
He should be in jail held accountable for the extortion, blackmail and destruction of honest people’s savings.
Was there no other way than to hurt those who did nothing?

This man is evil personified.

I am soooo happy that SOB finally got his due. He sucks !!!!!!

[Gibbon]

Tom,

Where are you? Brilliant foresight; I was to stubborn to listen. You told me 2 years ago it’s only a matter of time before this turd falls. Small consolation – I did not vote for him.





______________________
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[JustRalph]

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[JustRalph]

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[Pace Cap'n]

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[Tom]

Tom,

Where are you? Brilliant foresight; I was to stubborn to listen. You told me 2 years ago it’s only a matter of time before this turd falls. Small consolation – I did not vote for him.


You can dresss them up, but you can't take them out. Well, you can, but it'll cost you $5500!:eek::lol:

[slewis]

Why were they paying property taxes on a property they supposedly didn't own?

I could care less if they got a casino.

Plenty of rats all around of course.

I'm not from the NY area or the east,


They were responsible for the taxes because those were the terms of the fran. agreement and as ALWAYS been the terms since back in the 50's.

Problem is that the taxes on the property (especially Belmont) have skyrocketed and it is impossible for that situation to continue, and with the new agreement, it's not.
The operator of the track should be looked at like a municipal Golf course or park. It's for the entertainment/use of the citizens. I stated this in previous posts. Could you imagine how much property value Central Park would be worth if it were developed? BUT of course, then you have no Park, no beauty.
So the state should NEVER sell or develope it and it will always remain a park.
But imagine if it was the yr 1910, and you wanted to buy land which is now part of Central pk up around 90th street. You probably could have acquired it and the taxes would be cheap. Today. it's untouchable.
NYRA/state acquired the land (racetracks) back in the 50's when that part of Queens / Long Island was undeveloped and not all that valuable.
I presume it was a GROSS oversight by the attorney's of the state of N.Y. NOT clarifying in previous renewals with NYRA who held title.
They probably didn't care because at the time there was plenty of space to build another track and afterall, the state gets final approval on any form of gambling. That brings us to today.
Property values have skyrocketed.
MY ARGUEMENT on this forum (see posts "NYRA fran. reccomendation") where I butted heads with everyone is that NYRA ONLY OWNS THE LAND, (if they own it) by technicality and oversight by the state. They are non-profit and taking the land rightfully back is what I GUARANTEE would have been the decision had they gone to juristiction. NYRA could NOT shut down an industry by demanding a renewal and extorting a renewal from the people of the state of N.Y. NO WAY A JUDGE WOULD ALOW THAT and the key here is to remember there are NO DAMAGE claims as the board of directors and the entire NYRA is NON-PROFIT.
Their ONLY motive is POWER AND CONTROL OF THE RACING INDUSTRY in the state of NY.
Which is why I felt they were bluffing for the best deal they could get, and they did VERY WELL WITH 25 yrs.
I would have offered no more than 5.
By the way... for everyone who reads this post, yes I dont like the way NYRA runs the racetrack BUT they are ABSOLUTELY the most qualified to continue running racing in NY at this time.
Lets see how they do.........

[slewis]

Listen man, I know you like to think you're the "in" guy here, but let's not forget the fact that Joseph Bruno sucked up to NYRA during their supposed dirtiest days. He was their biggest cheerleader, and quite frankly, it bothers me to no end that he gets to take the high and mighty road when it is politically convenient to do so.

There is no way you will ever convince me that every politician that has ever uttered the phrase "NYRA" is just as guilty (and probably more so) than the NYRA ever was of anything.....ever.....

I still think the most obscure, yet most hypocritical Spitzer ever was, was when he was on CNBC criticizing the Bush Administration for indicting the entire Arthur Anderson accounting firm for their role in Enron. He said the entire company should not have been indicted because a lot of innocent people lost their jobs. Then Spitzer goes and trumpets the indictment of the entire NYRA for the crimes of a couple of tellers and a boss who looked the other way.

Karma in action today, I suppose....

PA,

I'm not sure what you mean by this post? What point your trying to make and who your defending/attacking (if anyone).
As far as my situation..... being the "in" guy, there too I'm not certain either?
But, I can tell you that I'm at the races every day and have been for 10 yrs.
I gamble, own, breed and manage (none a a very large basis)and love thoroughbred racing.
The first horse I ever bred, out of a mare I claimed for a measley $10k at Aqu 4 yrs ago, ran a sensational first race of his career yesterday at Gulfstream Pk. The mare was destined for the slaughter house with a blown knee, and had I not done the pedigree work on her (which was sneaky good) she'd be dead today. Yesterday's race of her foal made me feel good about this sport and, to me, this is the passion I have for racing.
This game has no limits, along with the fiscal windfalls the state could reap which can ease the tax burdens on it's citizens.
I provide insights to everyone on this forum from that prospective which I can PROMISE you is non-partisan from a political standpoint.
So when I write how incompetant NYRA has been, I can assure you that this opinion is derived from daily experiences which I could easily substantiate, not political partisanship. Racing would be much better off if the politicians of this state had 1% the passion for it that I do.

[Grits]

I have several friends who are lifelong NYers. One very dear to me said the following to me this a.m.

As to our Gov, arrogance and self-rightousness don't mix well with stupidity. Clinton, although as randy, was never self-rightous, didn't have to pay for it and had enough charm to get away with it.

We agree heartily. LOL:lol:

The governor's wife is a Southern girl, born and raised, here in Carolina. She should be pretty sharp, she went to Harvard and all like that.

In light of this, she shouldn't remain with a man this stupid.

She shouldn't remain with a man who seeks pleasure with hookers.
Particularly one who is cheap....one who barters....still forking over 4,3K noting "due credit" from his last sleepover.

She should, and I hope will, attain legal counsel. And it doesn't even have to be Manhattan's leading firm....I mean really guys, all this woman needs is an attorney with premier mathematical skills. (And all of 'em have those.)

Too often, women remain by men who have made fools of themselves, while dragging their wives and their children into the unwelcome limelight with them.

The hell and the strength in me, alone, would have had this guy at that podium--right by his DAMN self. I would've seen him in hell before I stood beside him.

[Greyfox]

I would've seen him in hell before I stood beside him.

Hmmm. Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned.
The Mrs. and family were hurt.
The Gov was stupid. Wasn't D.C. (VP) named for similar?

The earth still turns. Nothing wrong with forgiveness if one can find it.

[OTM Al]

Of course there is that 600 mil+ inherritance he is in line for to go with his own considerable funds......

[Grits]

Forgiveness. To be the bearer of, and the receiver of--and having been both.

Time is our friend. Its everyone's. Yet at that time, at that moment, the governor would have stood alone, like a man.

Hmmm. Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned.
The Mrs. and family were hurt.
The Gov was stupid. Wasn't D.C. (VP) named for similar?

The earth still turns. Nothing wrong with forgiveness if one can find it.

[Gibbon]

...had enough charm to get away with it. Federal court Judge Susan Webber Wright cited Bill for contempt. Bill was fined $90,000 for giving false testimony. Although he got away with all the other ones.

Anyone recall LA Lakers great Magic Johnson odiously claiming in his book “I slept with twenty thousand women?” Ultra successfully men probably have an amorous appetite as a counterpart to their personalities.

To the ladies of this BBS – if you’re looking for ambitious men, be mindful of your, how shall I phrase this delicately ... competition.






______________________
Don't keep a man guessing too long - he's sure to find the answer somewhere else. ~ Mae West

[Gibbon]

One more thing: the five thousand an hour…

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______________________________
His mother should have thrown him out and kept the stork. ~ Mae West

[bigmack]

Downright laughable given his track record:

While attorney general, he also went up against two men he accused of using their tour company to promote "sex tourism" in the Philippines and Thailand _ first suing them in civil court and then placing criminal charges.

One lawyer who defended the case said it was politically motivated.

"He prosecuted a couple of little guys who were easy targets when he was running for governor," attorney Daniel Hochheiser said. "The whole situation is marked by irony, hypocrisy and self-righteousness."

At the time, Spitzer said: "These defendants claimed to be operating a traditional travel agency. It is far from that. ... It is alleged that their action led to the systematic exploitation and suppression of young women, and that is simply unacceptable."

[wonatthewire1]

had a few trysts going on - not too bright for a guy involved in as many cases as he was involved with

http://www.latimes.com/ny-stpro0311,0,4551038.story

and this from the wiki

"...The investigation was initiated after his bank reported suspicious transactions to the IRS as part of the Bank Secrecy Act. According to Newsday, Spitzer wanted to transfer more than $10,000 to what turned out to be a front for the prostitution ring. However, he broke up the transactions into smaller slices due to federal regulations requiring the reporting of any transfer of $10,000 or more. When he tried to get his name taken off the wires, the bank refused, saying that the money had already been wired out and that it would be improper to do so in any case. The IRS' Criminal Investigation Division then started a probe, initially fearing that Spitzer was either the victim of extortion or an imposter.[127]..."

http://www.amny.com/news/politics/ny-stspitzerbank0312,0,7032190.story

source
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eliot_Spitzer

[Cangamble]

I'm wondering if the agency he booked the girl with gives its clients REBATES:)

[Steve 'StatMan']

Anyone recall LA Lakers great Magic Johnson odiously claiming in his book “I slept with twenty thousand women?” Ultra successfully men probably have an amorous appetite as a counterpart to their personalities.

I remember Wilt Chamberlin with the 20,000 women claim. Sure hope it wasn't Magic Johnson - IRRC long time ago he found out he was HIV Positive.

------------------------

Guess $5,500 in Monopoly money would only get one a hour with the best blow-up doll on New York Avenue.

[frenchy]

Hi tom !! Do you remember me ??

[linrom1]

Bruno is running New York now. :D :D What a banana republic that is turning out to be. :lol:

[Tom]

Looks like David Patterson will soon be our new governor.
Our first Black Governor and also our first legally blind one.
Patteson, a democrat, will have Joe Brunno, a republican, as his Lt. Gov.

Which calls for a song.....to the tune of Pinball Wizard:

Ever since I started voting,
I’ve seen them come and go.
From Buffalo to New York,
I must have sent them all.
But I ain’t seen nothing like him,
in any government hall.
That black, blind and liberal,
Sure plays a mean governor.



He aint got no distractions,
Can’t read the daily polls,
When he logs on to PA,
He can’t see the trolls,
Just knows what they tell him,
Only what he hears,
That black blind and liberal,
Sure plays a mean governor.



He’s a lib democrat,
Can’t do nothing 'bout that
But his lieutenant,
He’s a republican

How do you think they’ll do it
(I don’t know)
What makes him so good?

I thought California
was the crazy place to be,
But I just looked at
New York’s Albany



With Bruno around him,
He’d better watch himself,
That right-wing wacko wants to
put him on the shelf.

He can’t see what they’re doing,
Just hopes they do it loud.
That black, blind and liberal,
Sure plays a mean governor.

[Cangamble]

Two sort of on topic jokes:

Q. What did the blind man say as he passed the fish market? A. Good morning Girls

Let Fred Willard tell the second joke:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r1K_ogFQOM0&eurl=http://search.yahoo.com/search?p=blind%20man%20prostitute%20joke&ei=UTF-8

[toetoe]

Tom,

:lol: Good take on the Brunohaha.

[ddog]

had a few trysts going on - not too bright for a guy involved in as many cases as he was involved with

http://www.latimes.com/ny-stpro0311,0,4551038.story

and this from the wiki

"...The investigation was initiated after his bank reported suspicious transactions to the IRS as part of the Bank Secrecy Act. According to Newsday, Spitzer wanted to transfer more than $10,000 to what turned out to be a front for the prostitution ring. However, he broke up the transactions into smaller slices due to federal regulations requiring the reporting of any transfer of $10,000 or more. When he tried to get his name taken off the wires, the bank refused, saying that the money had already been wired out and that it would be improper to do so in any case. The IRS' Criminal Investigation Division then started a probe, initially fearing that Spitzer was either the victim of extortion or an imposter.[127]..."

http://www.amny.com/news/politics/ny-stspitzerbank0312,0,7032190.story

source
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eliot_Spitzer

they started an investigation because they hoped this was a kick back scheme or a small way to get around the campaign funding laws.

No governor is going to be a victim of extortion , that's nuts.



Also, I have always been against the scanning and reporting of every type of financial dealing so the Uncle can make sure you are a fine upstanding citizen of this great spy state.

Sadly , nobody even flinches(it seems) anymore at that and all manner of gvt intrusion into every corner of ones life.

[wonatthewire1]

they started an investigation because they hoped this was a kick back scheme or a small way to get around the campaign funding laws.

No governor is going to be a victim of extortion , that's nuts.



Also, I have always been against the scanning and reporting of every type of financial dealing so the Uncle can make sure you are a fine upstanding citizen of this great spy state.

Sadly , nobody even flinches(it seems) anymore at that and all manner of gvt intrusion into every corner of ones life.

dd,
if you look over the indictment, you'll see that the warrants were signed off by several different judges over a period of time... :kiss:

[GARY Z]

i understand Marsh was partying all Monday afternoon.

I'm thinking AIG stock is a play and that Hank could possibly
return or make his presence felt by the departure of Mr. 9.

[bigmack]

That black, blind and liberal,
Sure plays a mean governor.
Very catchy, Tommy. I see it coming out around 49-50 with a bullet next week. You might want change Governor to Gov'na as two sillyballs fit better than three.

[westny]

they started an investigation because they hoped this was a kick back scheme or a small way to get around the campaign funding laws.

No governor is going to be a victim of extortion , that's nuts.



Also, I have always been against the scanning and reporting of every type of financial dealing so the Uncle can make sure you are a fine upstanding citizen of this great spy state.

Sadly , nobody even flinches(it seems) anymore at that and all manner of gvt intrusion into every corner of ones life.

The IRS is the equivalent of the Gestapo,KBG or whatever. The IRS needs no reason to investigate anyone...and the banks are in cahoots with them under the guise of "banking laws". These same banks that report freely to the IRS, can run consumer credit card "scams" with NO interference from anyone.

Something has gone very wrong with this country. :(

[riskman]

i understand Marsh was partying all Monday afternoon.

I'm thinking AIG stock is a play and that Hank could possibly
return or make his presence felt by the departure of Mr. 9.

Worked for AON Corp. at the time. We settled for 190 million--cheap compared to MM --850 million. Brokered a lot of business to AIG. We lost about 15% of our revenue plus the stock took a beating. Many people lost their jobs, and value of 401ks were cut dramatically. Many friends and businees associates of mine worked for MM and AIG.

Finally, client # 9, Mr. Clean, The Sheriff of Wall Street got what he deserved. Now the feds or whomever jurisdiction this falls should pursue that SOB with the same zeal that Spitzer used to screw the insurance brokers that DID NOT BREAK ANY LAW ! Good riddance you arrogant, low life piss ant "john"

Yes sireeee-- Will be having a party on the street to celebrate the downfall of a very sick and demented EX- SHERIFF !

[ljb]

Republicans have been in charge of the New York Senate for 60 years. Is there any question why New York is in such a mess ?

[OTM Al]

That could be the dumbest comment I've seen on this yet. What do you think this is, a footbal game? Go team!!!! Guess you've never heard of Tammany Hall.....In New York there isn't all that much difference. Why do you think the city often elects a republican mayor when the majority of all else goes democrat? Cause there's no difference. Its all about power and who has it. Corruption knows no party.

[Tom]

So ljb, do you apply that same logic to the countless large dem run cities that are garbage heaps and unsafe to live in, and the other states, like Louisiana (and don't forget NO) that just can't get it right?

[Marshall Bennett]

Republicans have been in charge of the New York Senate for 60 years. Is there any question why New York is in such a mess ?
Thats about the most rediculous statement you've posted yet . Should I dare name states where democrats had issues ?? :cool:

[PaceAdvantage]

Ask JustRalph about some of the Democratically controlled areas of Ohio....

[Tom]

ljb, NY has been cleaned up.
Oh, you didn't know?
Times Square, organized crime, crime in general.......and it was a REPUBLICAN.
A man called RUDY.

You must be thinking of Choclate Town and "School Bus" Ray Nagin.

[JustRalph]

Ask JustRalph about some of the Democratically controlled areas of Ohio....


The Repubs in Ohio weren't much better over the last 8 years or so. But the areas controlled by the Dems for the last 10-20 years are considered "Ghetto" and are horrible areas of the state. The east side of Cleveland. (http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient&ie=UTF-8&rlz=1T4HPIA_en___US265&q=East+side+of+cleveland+crime+) "Over the Rhine" (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Over-the-Rhine) in Cincinnati. From the Over the Rhine link.
"There are between 400 and 500 abandoned buildings in Over-the-Rhine"

Long time Democratically controlled areas. Remember all of those precints listed in blue during the last election night? The Cuyahoga County precints. The Dennis Kucinich Precints. The ones that were supposed to pull out a win for John Kerry? They were up on every major TV network during the late election coverage. These were crime riddled neighborhoods. Downtrodden areas controlled by Crack dealers and the like. And they were going to decide a national Presidential election? Well, they did. Luckily they didn't vote like predicted. In fact the turnout was so overwhelming that many went home or didn't plan well enough to have their votes counted. I don't believe in Karma.........but who knows.

[JustRalph]

The Hits just keep on coming for Ohio

http://www.nbc4i.com/midwest/cmh/search.PrintView.-content-articles-CMH-2008-03-22-0004.html

Record Number Getting Food Stamps

Saturday, Mar 22, 2008 - 10:27 AM

By Associated Press
COLUMBUS, Ohio -- More Ohioans -- nearly one in 10 -- are now receiving food stamps.

The Ohio Department of Job and Family Services says caseloads have almost doubled since 2001 -- with 1-point-1 million residents now collecting benefits.

Low wages, unemployment and the rising cost of groceries, gasoline and other necessities are to blame for financial hardships facing many Ohio families.


~more at the link~

Almost 9% income tax............the 2nd highest corporate tax..........local town taxes that average 2%............ this is what it gets you............