Posting late scratches -- can anyone tell me why?

[andicap]

At 11;54 a.m. this morning, EST, I checked for scratches at Philly Park.

1. Xpressbet.com was the only site that had the information. (But wait)
2. Philadelphiapark.com did not have them. (and as of 12:02 p.m. still does not)
3. Equibase did not have them.
4. Twinspires.com did not have them.

As of 12:03 p.m.
Equibase still has NO early scratches posted even though Gulfstream has had them on its site for a while.

But don't gloat xpressbet.com

As of 12:04 p.m., xpressbet.com still had not posted the entire roster of late scratches from GP, just some early ones from 10 a.m. More were posted on gulfstreampark.com about 20 minutes ago.
Twinspires.com DID have the GP scratches.
And xpressbet.com which did a nice job on the Philly Park scratches had failed to update them since 10 a.m. which meant it lacked a scratch in the 4th race. As of 12:10 p.m. xpressbet.com has STILL not added the 4th race scratch that is on twinspires.com


Why would Twinspires.com have info NOT on xpressbet and vice versa considering the two are joined at the hip?
Why would Equibase be so late posting ALL the scratches considering it's supposed to the repository of racing information for the handicapper?
Why did xpressbet.com have good early info on philly park, but after 10 a.m. had not updated its site even after OTHERS had posted more late scratches?

final update 12:10pm equibase has finally posted Philly Park but not Gulfstream although the info is on Twinspires and the track website.
xpressdate.com has STILL not updated its late scratches.
STILL nothing from today on philadelphiapark.com

Why are so many people asleep at the switch?
And the industry goes to racing symposiums and wrings their hands over why they can't attract customers and how casinos, etc. are stealing customers.

unbelievable
:bang: :mad:

[DJofSD]

I guess there's different definitions for customer service.

All jesting aside, I agree 100%. Not having more current information reminds me of going to DMR and having to go look at the LASIX list. Eventually, it got to be a part of the track program and even part of the changes announced prior to the races.

How are scratches handled in venues outside the US such as H. K. or AUS?

[njcurveball]

Many times on 4njbets I have placed a bet and the system has the horse enabled, but the bet will not go through. If it is a win bet, I can guess pretty well who is scratched, but often it is part of an exotic bet and then I have to search the web or try to get the track feed to see who is scratched.

It boggles the mind in a society where your bank balance is updated instantly, the tracks cannot agree on a universal feed for scratches. :ThmbDown:

[Tom Barrister]

It doesn't boggle my mind. The industry in this country is still using a tote system that's based on 1930's standards and race conditions that date back to the 19th century.

[Jeff P]

This same scenario (incomplete/incorrect scratches and changes information) is repeated over and over each and every racing day at almost all tracks everywhere.

IMHO in a day and age where an ever growing percentage of the handle is generated by players betting online this is beyond inexcusable. It's pathetic.

There needs to be ONE RELIABLE online source for scratched horses and races taken off the turf. It needs to be updated in real time. It needs to be made openly available to the players without worrying about who their ADW is and whether or not another ADW has exclusive rights to who's signal.

Too expensive you say?

I'm a competent web programmer. If industry execs could ever get their shit together and agree to provide this I'd agree to meet them halfway. I'll do the initial programming for free. That's right. I said for free.

They provide a server and a feed each day of all horses entered to run. That feed goes right into a SQL database and populates a table with the following fields:

Track, Date, Race Number, Horse Name, Rider Name, Surface, Distance, Description of Race Conditions, ScratchedTrueFalse, ReasonForScratch

I'll create the database and a simple web interface that allows designated industry employees (with a valid userid & password) to log in and scratch a horse, make a rider change, or take a race off the turf... I'll do this in such a way that the industry employee can make and save the change in under 10 seconds.

Saved changes are persisted right to the database. The next time a player in cyberspace visits the scratches and changes page for a single track, that page gets its content right from the database... and guess what?

Current scratches and changes info is displayed. I'll create that page too.

That's about as "real time" as it can get. And in reality that's ALL it would take. It could be hosted/made available right on the Equibase servers/site. Every track in North America could place a link to this system right on their website provided they ahve one. Every ADW could also link right to this system.

Problem solved.

Like I said I'm willing to do the initial programming for free. The only thing the industry has to provide are servers... and human beings committed to making the updates in real time.

I am completely serious about this. A few days of my time in exchange for something that will benefit the industry and players for years to come.

Track execs: Are you listening?


-jp

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[Tom]

Why, Andy?

1. Thier pidgeon died.
2. Thier chalk boards are wet
3. Insider quote,"Who would want to bet on a scratched horse anyway?"

[shanta]

This same scenario (incomplete/incorrect scratches and changes information) is repeated over and over each and every racing day at almost all tracks everywhere.

IMHO in a day and age where an ever growing percentage of the handle is generated by players betting online this is beyond inexcusable. It's pathetic.

There needs to be ONE RELIABLE online source for scratched horses and races taken off the turf. It needs to be updated in real time. It needs to be made openly available to the players without worrying about who their ADW is and whether or not another ADW has exclusive rights to who's signal.

Too expensive you say?

I'm a competent web programmer. If industry execs could ever get their shit together and agree to provide this I'd agree to meet them halfway. I'll do the initial programming for free. That's right. I said for free.

They provide a server and a feed each day of all horses entered to run. That feed goes right into a SQL database and populates a table with the following fields:

Track, Date, Race Number, Horse Name, Rider Name, Surface, Distance, Description of Race Conditions, ScratchedTrueFalse, ReasonForScratch

I'll create the database and a simple web interface that allows designated industry employees (with a valid userid & password) to log in and scratch a horse, make a rider change, or take a race off the turf... I'll do this in such a way that the industry employee can make and save the change in under 10 seconds.

Saved changes are persisted right to the database. The next time a player in cyberspace visits the scratches and changes page for a single track, that page gets its content right from the database... and guess what?

Current scratches and changes info is displayed. I'll create that page too.

That's about as "real time" as it can get. And in reality that's ALL it would take. It could be hosted/made available right on the Equibase servers/site.

Like I said I'm willing to do the initial programming for free. The only thing the industry has to provide are the servers and human beings committed to making the updates in real time.

I am completely serious about this. A few days of my time in exchange for something that will benefit the industry and players for years to come.

Track execs: Are you listening?


-jp

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:ThmbUp: :ThmbUp:
Now let's see "Ass backwards" (my pet name for racing powers that be) response to this most generous offer from a dedicated player.

[trying2win]

I'm not a member of EBETUSA.COM, but I find they do a real good job of getting the scratches earlier than a lot of other sites. :ThmbUp: That helps if one wants to send in some bets early on their own ADW site. I find that PTC does a very good job too of getting scratches early as well, :ThmbUp:
but not consistently as fast as EBETUSA.

However, sometimes I can get the scratches early at a website, but if I remember correctly, some of these sites don't list whether there is a 'TURF OFF' designation on their scratch board on inclement weather days:ThmbDown:. That is a big plus if they do.

And at places like TSNHORSE.COM and BRISNET.COM (a Twin Spires company, or is that Churchill Downs group one?) the key word at a fair number of tracks for getting timely scratch information is....'S-L-O-W'! One example for slow info on scratches is DELTA DOWNS.

And, I don't know how many times I've emailed TSNHORSE.COM about missing tracks on their toteboards when a new meet starts (they usually blame it on the tote board company)...Hello TSNHORSE.COM...in my opinion, that should be your job to get the pertinent info on the online toteboard by keeping track starting date lists, and checking to see that the tracks are programmed in by the tote company then. One recent example is the MEADOWLANDS...I don't recall seeing that track on their toteboard ever since their current meet began last November!

I could go on about TSNHORSE.COM missing info on some races altogether, or not listing whether a PICK 4 result is a $1 payoff or a $2 payoff etc. :ThmbDown: What's the word to describe a company like this?

[rokitman]

I could go on about TSNHORSE.COM missing info on some races altogether, or not listing whether a PICK 4 result is a $1 payoff or a $2 payoff etc. :ThmbDown: What's the word to describe a company like this?ass backwards

[gillenr]

How about they don't give a $h!t about their customers.

[Tom]

I don't think it's that...I'm pretty sure they never even think about thier customers. ;)

[gillenr]

Sorry, you're right Tom.

[PaceAdvantage]

I've had the most experience with BrisBet (now TwinSpires) and YouBet....and between the two, I've found that YouBet is by far the best and most accurate source when it comes to late program changes. They didn't used to be this way, in the early days, but they have improved mightily in this area.