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karlskorner
01-30-2008, 10:12 AM
Received 65 percent of votes yesterday.

Before I for I get accused of "redboarding again" Steve Zacks has some good information over on Equidaily.com under Gulfstream Notebook

Si2see
01-30-2008, 10:26 AM
that is the best news florida horsemen and owners could hear.. it will also create more jobs, and money for education in miami-dade which is a great thing. :ThmbUp:

alysheba88
01-30-2008, 10:38 AM
that is the best news florida horsemen and owners could hear.. it will also create more jobs, and money for education in miami-dade which is a great thing. :ThmbUp:

what about horse players?

Si2see
01-30-2008, 10:55 AM
what about horse players?

I dont know how do you feel about it? bigger purses = bigger fields if you ask me, which could mean bigger payouts? that is what I am thinking.... do you agree?

alysheba88
01-30-2008, 11:16 AM
I dont know how do you feel about it? bigger purses = bigger fields if you ask me, which could mean bigger payouts? that is what I am thinking.... do you agree?

Always sounds great in theory but never seems to be the panacea it is advertised as. And the live racing experience always seems to suffer. Understand those who own horses could care less about players.

karlskorner
01-30-2008, 11:29 AM
Don't look for miracles, the big problem for the 6 pari-mutuals in Broward and Dade Counties will be the Hard Rock Casino run by the Indians. My wife tells me that 2 days ago with the official opening of Class III (Vegas type slots) the place was jam packed, she couldn't find a place to park.

With GP as an example, none of the 6 pari-mutuals will even come near to what the Indians are offering.

Si2see
01-30-2008, 12:45 PM
Don't look for miracles, the big problem for the 6 pari-mutuals in Broward and Dade Counties will be the Hard Rock Casino run by the Indians. My wife tells me that 2 days ago with the official opening of Class III (Vegas type slots) the place was jam packed, she couldn't find a place to park.

With GP as an example, none of the 6 pari-mutuals will even come near to what the Indians are offering.

Karl you are 100% correct, but at the same time are an owner, if it even adds $1000 to the purse of a race, that is $600 more to the winning owner.

alysheba88: Although I have never been to a racetrack before and after slots were added, I can tell you that the few I have been to that offered slots have been just as much fun for me as a horseplayer, no I am not a professional, but I bet just as much as the next guy. I am from the mid-atlantic area, and it seems like now all tracks have or will have slots within the near future except maryland and virginia. The whole racing industry seems to be turning to slots as a backbone ( solid one or not )

point given
01-30-2008, 11:11 PM
that is the best news florida horsemen and owners could hear.. it will also create more jobs, and money for education in miami-dade which is a great thing. :ThmbUp:

Dunne and company are already seeking to lower the payout to the state, ala Gulfstream the day after it passed. Looks like taking money from education and the kids is now OK after the slots passed. This racino thing is getting old fast. The iv drip to racing will slowly kill the patient, with more questioning of why they need racing there anyway. Why should it be subsidized. Then, when the hard rock rolls out the table games, the racinos will be battling for the crumbs.

Blackiee
01-30-2008, 11:51 PM
About the only people that don't benefit from this is the local horseplayers. Horse owners, trainers, jockeys, new hires, some local business and especially track ownership will benefit, but not the horseplayers.

Calder regulars just get ready to become 2nd class customers to the racetrack. The racetrack with cater to the new slots customers, you will probably be pushed aside out of your playing area to make room for the slots player. Also the racetrack will probably offer promotions, perks and prizes only to the slots players. Well, that was what happened at my local track in Hot Springs, I truly regret voting for expanded gaming for my local track.

bigmack
01-31-2008, 02:14 AM
Dunne and company are already seeking to lower the payout to the state, ala Gulfstream the day after it passed. Looks like taking money from education and the kids is now OK after the slots passed. This racino thing is getting old fast. The iv drip to racing will slowly kill the patient, with more questioning of why they need racing there anyway. Why should it be subsidized. Then, when the hard rock rolls out the table games, the racinos will be battling for the crumbs.
Tip top post.

Gaming, is a tough matzah to roll into one ball. Particularly with horse racing & pull arms. Could the demographics of a racing participant aligned with that of a slot player be more disparate?

With sad regret, it's just another indicator that racing is withering.

trying2win
01-31-2008, 04:56 AM
I'm assuming that in the early days of racing, when all that tracks offered was wps betting and the daily double, that many tracks prospered. Did the introduction of three and four horse (and higher) gimmicks (with their exorbitant takeouts) start to thin the wallets of many bettors and thus discourage them from betting anymore? Is that what started the decline in handle at many tracks? Or did the proliferation of casinos near racetracks have a negative effect on racetracks' mutuel handle? Is that a trend that caused many racetracks to declare, that if we can't beat 'em ...join 'em by trying to get slots for the droves of naive people believing they were going to get rich playing slots?

I've noticed that since a new casino opened a couple of miles away from Northlands Park in the last few years, that the slot area at this track is half empty a lot of the time. Coincidence?...or have a a lot of the naive people playing slots at Northlands Park have a lightbulb go on and realize you can't beat a negative expectation game like VLTS in the long run....hmmm...

Don't know if introducing slots at CRC is going to bring that track the increase in revenue that they are hoping for.

karlskorner
01-31-2008, 09:35 AM
Do all Racinos offer free parking and admission ? I know GP does, but do others ? I am told that this past Saturday CRC was packed on the 1st and 2nd floors due to simulcasting of GP what with free parking and admission. When CRC does get their Slots installed I have to believe on site attendance will increase because of free parking and admission.

GaryG
01-31-2008, 10:31 AM
Do all Racinos offer free parking and admission ? I know GP does, but do others ? I am told that this past Saturday CRC was packed on the 1st and 2nd floors due to simulcasting of GP what with free parking and admission. When CRC does get their Slots installed I have to believe on site attendance will increase because of free parking and admission.Mountaineer has free parking and admission. The last time I was there the casino was full and there were about 10 people watching the races.

cj's dad
01-31-2008, 11:11 AM
Mountaineer has free parking and admission. The last time I was there the casino was full and there were about 10 people watching the races.

Charlestown & Del Park also.

Del Park racing is rapidly becoming secondary. More and more space eaten up by the slots, smaller field sizes than at first, etc.... Hope Md. never gets slots; if the tracks fail, so be it !!

ceejay
01-31-2008, 11:18 AM
The slot "fix" is merely ephemeral. what the state gives the state can take away.

BIG49010
01-31-2008, 02:55 PM
Slots are old news, the tracks need to move to the next vice

Prostitution or Drugs

Tom
01-31-2008, 03:51 PM
Finger Lakes free parking and admission for yers now - long before the slots came. There is valet for a fee.

CryingForTheHorses
01-31-2008, 07:41 PM
Dunne and company are already seeking to lower the payout to the state, ala Gulfstream the day after it passed. Looks like taking money from education and the kids is now OK after the slots passed. This racino thing is getting old fast. The iv drip to racing will slowly kill the patient, with more questioning of why they need racing there anyway. Why should it be subsidized. Then, when the hard rock rolls out the table games, the racinos will be battling for the crumbs.

I myself do think the slots will do very well at Calder and Miami.When you live is S Miami its very tiresome driving in traffic for 40 minutes trying to get to Broward.All the people in Miami have is the Cruise ships to play the slots .Calder is very fan friendly with givaways etc,Im also sure Ken Dunn and his people wont let the slots get in the way of the horseracing fans.
Broward County has already gotten over 100 million from the slots in Broward.
Lets hope Dade County can do the same

point given
01-31-2008, 11:23 PM
I myself do think the slots will do very well at Calder and Miami.When you live is S Miami its very tiresome driving in traffic for 40 minutes trying to get to Broward.All the people in Miami have is the Cruise ships to play the slots .Calder is very fan friendly with givaways etc,Im also sure Ken Dunn and his people wont let the slots get in the way of the horseracing fans.
Broward County has already gotten over 100 million from the slots in Broward.
Lets hope Dade County can do the same

Famous last words. I've been to Delaware and Gulfstream, read about Philly and other places where slots came in. Sorry, but you are in for a rude awakening, particularly with the mentality of the CD upper management on the bottom line and not on the customer.

With the Hard Rock , all the racinos will be struggling, and how much money will be divided between the miami and broward slots palaces,it just can't be exponential growth where they got 100 , so we should get 100 mil. Sure , your purses will go up, and it will keep you guys going, but it is not the solution to the ills that horseracing faces. You recently raved about your treatment at Tampa where they donot have slots, but rely on the real product and its developement; now that is the solution, not slots. Slots is the easy way out of a problem of getting money. Slots players will be catered to at the expense of the horseplayers, merely due to the fact that they make a hell of alot more money from slots than horses. Horse players will be marginalized and have to seek new havens as the redesign and takeover of space takes shape. Do you think that horseplayers would have voted for slots for broward if the artist rendering of the new gulfstream showed a total of 900 seats ? That you couldnot view the races well, but had to watch the big video screen ? My friend you are in for a rude awakening. :faint: :faint: :faint: