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ddog
01-29-2008, 06:12 PM
In honour of T.Paine birthday today.

This is meant to cover every US Admin since at least Nixon.
The president should not be given powers that some are trying to give or the exec take.
He should not get to commit to anything without the other bodies explicit consent.
He should not get to sign a bill and then unsign parts of it via statements.
He should not get to do something because he says it is legal and then not have it challenged in court.



"If we enquire into the business of a King, we shall find that in some countries they may have none; and after sauntering away their lives without pleasure to themselves or advantage to the nation, withdraw from the scene, and leave their successors to tread the same idle round.
In absolute monarchies the whole weight of business civil and military lies on the King; the children of Israel in their request for a king urged this plea, "that he may judge us, and go out before us and fight our battles."
But in countries where he is neither a Judge nor a General, as in England, a man would be puzzled to know what IS his business.

The nearer any government approaches to a Republic, the less business there is for a King.
It is somewhat difficult to find a proper name for the government of England. Sir William Meredith calls it a Republic; but in its present state it is unworthy of the name, because the corrupt influence of the Crown, by having all the places in its disposal, hath so effectually swallowed up the power, and eaten out the virtue of the House of Commons (the Republican part in the constitution) that the government of England is nearly as monarchical as that of France or Spain.
Men fall out with names without understanding them.
For 'tis the Republican and not the Monarchical part of the Constitution of England which Englishmen glory in, viz. the liberty of choosing an House of Commons from out of their own body — and it is easy to see that when Republican virtues fail, slavery ensues.
Why is the constitution of England sickly, but because monarchy hath poisoned the Republic; the Crown hath engrossed the Commons.

In England a King hath little more to do than to make war and give away places; which, in plain terms, is to empoverish the nation and set it together by the ears.
A pretty business indeed for a man to be allowed eight hundred thousand sterling a year for, and worshipped into the bargain!

Of more worth is one honest man to society, and in the sight of God, than all the crowned ruffians that ever lived."

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bigmack
01-29-2008, 06:32 PM
He saw this congress coming:
Society is produced by our wants and government by our wickedness.

There was another Zilly in 1778?
To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead.

46zilzal
01-29-2008, 06:34 PM
There was another Zilly in 1778?
To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead.
Yes war is a good thing FULL of reason. Hog wash.

skate
01-29-2008, 06:37 PM
Mad Tom, non better

kenwoodallpromos
01-30-2008, 05:57 PM
"He should not get to commit to anything without the other bodies explicit consent.
He should not get to do something because he says it is legal and then not have it challenged in court."
To uphold the above you have to ammend a chunk of the Constitution and strip the Pres of many of current duties and powers. You also have to provide for an even more bloated government and more powers for Congress and the Supremes.
The Fed is supposed to be certain checks and balances. If Congress fails to do what you think is their duty, it is up to that person's constituents to vote them out.
In this Republican Democracy, your beef lies with the voter.