Results and ROI as requested by PaceAdvantage

[csmith]

These are my results and ROI for the past 206 races
I will be posting more results in the near future but
this will have to do for now. These are very typical results
for my selections. This takes into account ALL the selections
I have posted on my site.These are NOT cherry picked results
Of course I do not recommend playing all the selections, but I
just wanted to show you that I can show a positive ROI.I know
I will hear that it is not a very big example but it is
what I have for now. What I found when going back to look at my
results is that if my top selection doesn't win it will place
a very high percentage of the time.
If my top pick was scratced I eliminated the race. I did not go to
the second choice on the list

TOP WINS RESULTS

DATE TRACK # PLAYS $ BET $RETURN
DEC 13 CRC 10 $20.00 $2.40
DEC 13 CTX 10 $20.00 $29.20
DEC 13 DED 10 $20.00 $6.20
DEC 13 FGX 11 $22.00 $20.00
DEC 13 GGX 8 $16.00 $16.00
DEC 13 HAW 2 $4.00 $7.40
DEC 13 HOL 8 $16.00 $0.00
DEC 13 HOU 9 $18.00 $18.60
DEC 13 LRL 8 $16.00 $60.40
DEC 13 TPX 8 $16.00 $20.00
DEC 14 AQU 7 $14.00 $8.50
DEC 14 BEU 8 $16.00 $5.80
DEC 14 CRC 8 $16.00 $32.20
DEC 14 CTX 10 $20.00 $29.60
DEC 14 DED 8 $16.00 $27.20
DEC 14 FGX 8 $16.00 $8.40
DEC 14 GGX 7 $14.00 $0.00
DEC 14 HAW 8 $16.00 $16.00
DEC 14 HOL 8 $16.00 $22.80
DEC 14 HOU 10 $20.00 $3.80
DEC 14 LRL 7 $14.00 $25.00
DEC 14 MNR 8 $16.00 $11.00
DEC 14 PHA 6 $12.00 $13.20
DEC 14 TPX 11 $22.00 $10.60
DEC 14 TUP 8 $16.00 $36.60
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206 $412.00 $430.90

[PaceAdvantage]

Anytime you can show a positive ROI over a decent number of races over a bunch of different tracks, it's a good thing....thanks for the numbers....

[csmith]

Anytime you can show a positive ROI over a decent number of races over a bunch of different tracks, it's a good thing....thanks for the numbers....

I am looking for software to make this an easier chore for all the tracks I do.. Anyone have any suggestions

[csmith]

Anytime you can show a positive ROI over a decent number of races over a bunch of different tracks, it's a good thing....thanks for the numbers....

Thank you. I am surprised I am not hearing from anyone else.. Have I shut up the critics ?? :D

[Dahoss9698]

Thank you. I am surprised I am not hearing from anyone else.. Have I shut up the critics ?? :D

No.

[csmith]

No.

I was beginning to wonder when you were going to crawl out of the woodwork.. Can you do better ??

[Dahoss9698]

I was beginning to wonder when you were going to crawl out of the woodwork.. Can you do better ??

Yeah, but I'm not selling anything. I make money off of my picks. I don't need to sell them. Can you say the same?

[csmith]

Yeah, but I'm not selling anything. I make money off of my picks. I don't need to sell them. Can you say the same?

What the hell does it matter if I sell my picks.. I also bet my selections, so I make money both ways. Anytime you want to challenge me I'm ready..All tracks running everyday for 1 week, 1 horse per race..You ready ??

[Dahoss9698]

What the hell does it matter if I sell my picks.. I also bet my selections, so I make money both ways. Anytime you want to challenge me I'm ready..All tracks running everyday for 1 week, 1 horse per race..You ready ??

No thanks. I focus on one, maybe two tracks on days that I play. Your little challenge would prove nothing. Much like your one day tally proved nothing. Look if you can convince people to buy your "picks" more power to ya. I'm not impressed and frankly, it doesn't seem like anyone else is either.

[judd]

not being a critic but when i played your calder selections the other day lost
my shirt

[Dahoss9698]

not being a critic but when i played your calder selections the other day lost
my shirt

Ever heard the saying "you get what you pay for"? Very applicable here.

[csmith]

No thanks. I focus on one, maybe two tracks on days that I play. Your little challenge would prove nothing. Much like your one day tally proved nothing. Look if you can convince people to buy your "picks" more power to ya. I'm not impressed and frankly, it doesn't seem like anyone else is either.

I thought you would have an excuse..My challenge would prove that I could beat you !! I'm am not asking you to be impressed. I am just doing what everybody said I was afraid to do..A "tout" showing his ROI on his top picks..Wow thats unheard of..Why don't you post your ROI ?? Why don't you just crawl back into the woodwork. You don't impress me either.

[Dahoss9698]

I thought you would have an excuse..My challenge would prove that I could beat you !! I'm am not asking you to be impressed. I am just doing what everybody said I was afraid to do..A "tout" showing his ROI on his top picks..Wow thats unheard of..Why don't you post your ROI ?? Why don't you just crawl back into the woodwork. You don't impress me either.

Seriously, what would a ONE day run through of every track running prove? If I only focus on one or two tracks a day, how could I come out on top handicapping tracks I've never played before. It's silly. See here's the thing, I'm not selling anything, I don't need to. If you are as good as you say, posting your ROI should be no big deal. Again, I have nothing to prove, I'm not selling.....you are.

[csmith]

not being a critic but when i played your calder selections the other day lost
my shirt

I never said my selections win everyday. PA challenged me to show my ROI for my top picks. I am doing just that.. If you look at my post of the results ( Above post ) you will see some days are bad.. Isn't that what horse racing is all about..What I am saying I showed a positive ROI for all of my picks using all tracks. What more do you guys want !!

[csmith]

not being a critic but when i played your calder selections the other day lost
my shirt

I just looked

Calder on the 13th I did lousy on the 14th Bet $16 returned $32.+.. Doubled your money

[csmith]

Seriously, what would a ONE day run through of every track running prove? If I only focus on one or two tracks a day, how could I come out on top handicapping tracks I've never played before. It's silly. See here's the thing, I'm not selling anything, I don't need to. If you are as good as you say, posting your ROI should be no big deal. Again, I have nothing to prove, I'm not selling.....you are.

Your the one that butted in here just like you did with Whobet the other day. Whobet challenged you to post on another site, but you used the excuse you didn't want to go to another site. You said you would challenge him here. So why won't you take my challenge here ?? I'm very sure Whobet would do a job on you also.. Look, you know and I know you can't beat me so why don't you move on and make room for the next guy.

[Dahoss9698]

Your the one that butted in here just like you did with Whobet the other day. Whobet challenged you to post on another site, but you used the excuse you didn't want to go to another site. You said you would challenge him here. So why won't you take my challenge here ?? I'm very sure Whobet would do a job on you also.. Look, you know and I know you can't beat me so why don't you move on and make room for the next guy.

Okay Cliff, you got me, I'm in awe of your talents. Here's a challenge for you Cliff. After tomorrow I'm probably done betting until the new year. When Gulfstream starts, we'll have a challenge. Aqueduct and Gulfstream for a month. You pick one horse a race. Most winners wins, person that loses leaves the board. You got any guts?

[csmith]

Okay Cliff, you got me, I'm in awe of your talents. Here's a challenge for you Cliff. After tomorrow I'm probably done betting until the new year. When Gulfstream starts, we'll have a challenge. Aqueduct and Gulfstream for a month. You pick one horse a race. Most winners wins, person that loses leaves the board. You got any guts?

The name of the game is ROI, not how many winners you can pick..I will certainly take the challenge happily if it is for the higest ROI not winners..

[Dahoss9698]

The name of the game is ROI, not how many winners you can pick..I will certainly take the challenge happily if it is for the higest ROI not winners..

Deal. I suggest really selling in the next few weeks.

[whobet]

Deal. I suggest really selling in the next few weeks.


DaHoss will never follow through,

he is a loser

[Dahoss9698]

DaHoss will never follow through,

he is a loser

:lol: :lol:

You want in on this too? You talk a big game, any guts?

[csmith]

Deal. I suggest really selling in the next few weeks.

believe me I don't need this site to sell my selections. I come to this site because i enjoy most of the people here and most of the threads..

[whobet]

:lol: :lol:

You want in on this too? You talk a big game, any guts?

I am in everyday,

just use my #1 pick

[kenwoodallpromos]

The name of the game is ROI, not how many winners you can pick..I will certainly take the challenge happily if it is for the higest ROI not winners..
It is great to see you keeping such good records!

[whobet]

It is great to see you keeping such good records!


Where are your records ????

[Dahoss9698]

I am in everyday,

just use my #1 pick

Thought so. Do yourself a favor and stay out of the grown up threads.

[whobet]

Thought so. Do yourself a favor and stay out of the grown up threads.

You afraid, just use my #1 pick at GP

what's your problem ????

Is this a grown-up thread, I think NOT, LOL

[Dahoss9698]

You afraid, just use my #1 pick at GP

what's your problem ????

Is this a grown-up thread, I think NOT, LOL

Fine then, you're in also. But remember, if I beat you guys, you have to leave the board. Opening day of Gulfstream we'll start it up. Better practice summarizing other's hard work.

[whobet]

Fine then, you're in also. But remember, if I beat you guys, you have to leave the board. Opening day of Gulfstream we'll start it up. Better practice summarizing other's hard work.

Leave the board,

Not me,

I will put a comercial for you in my FAQ,

saying how you defeated Whobet in a contest on PACE,
and showing the score.

I am trying to get 1000 views for my picks,
I wonder what your goal is.

I will even let you call me loser if you win.

But all of this is good for horse racing,
I am not leaving till I am banned,
and I have been banned on many sites, lol.

[Dahoss9698]

Leave the board,

Not me,

I will put a comercial for you in my FAQ,

saying how you defeated Whobet in a contest on PACE,
and showing the score.

I am trying to get 1000 views for my picks,
I wonder what your goal is.

I will even let you call me loser if you win.

But all of this is good for horse racing,
I am not leaving till I am banned,
and I have been banned on many sites, lol.

I thought so. Like I said, you should probably leave the grown up threads alone. Unlike you and your partners, I'm not selling anything. So I need no commercial. And trust me, many many are calling you a loser right now. I'm sure of it. I have no goals, other than to make you and your crew look stupid. So far....so good.

One more thing, change your avatar to a picture of a chicken, not an ostrich. Definitely fits more appropriately.

[whobet]

I thought so. Like I said, you should probably leave the grown up threads alone. Unlike you and your partners, I'm not selling anything. So I need no commercial. And trust me, many many are calling you a loser right now. I'm sure of it. I have no goals, other than to make you and your crew look stupid. So far....so good.

One more thing, change your avatar to a picture of a chicken, not an ostrich. Definitely fits more appropriately.


Does that mean you are going to bail out already, Loser

[Burls]

Have you done any long term comparisons to see whether your methods of selection do better at certain tracks?

In this extremely LIMITED list of races, for example, bets at CTX have done especially well.

Burls

[jonnielu]

not being a critic but when i played your calder selections the other day lost
my shirt

Gee, Judd, why would you be doing that when Ability-X has been nailing exactas left and right at Calder??

jdl

[csmith]

Have you done any long term comparisons to see whether your methods of selection do better at certain tracks?

In this extremely LIMITED list of races, for example, bets at CTX have done especially well.

Burls
Hi Burls
I have no long term results at this time as explained in some previous post as to why. I plan in keeping the results more up to date in the future, but I can tell you they won't change much from what I have already posted. This results are very typical for my selections.

[csmith]

Gee, Judd, why would you be doing that when Ability-X has been nailing exactas left and right at Calder??

jdl

Hi JDL
We also have hit many exactas lately but that was not what I was asked to provide. A list of a recent exactas can be seen at my site. I only list the exactas we had that paid more than $50.00 We have many others but they don't meet the $50.00 threshold.
Good Luck to you on your GP project coming up

[cmoore]

What the hell does it matter if I sell my picks.. I also bet my selections, so I make money both ways. Anytime you want to challenge me I'm ready..All tracks running everyday for 1 week, 1 horse per race..You ready ??

I challenge you for the hell of it. Let's start on Monday, end on Friday. You name the tracks and post the rules..No quarter horses..

[Murph]

I will hear that it is not a very big example but it is
what I have for now. What I found when going back to look at my
results is that if my top selection doesn't win it will place
a very high percentage of the time.


Hello csmith,

Your results look to be in line with most capable public selectors. As
sample sizes become greater than a few hundred races, I consder WIN
ROI's that lose less than the track take, a fine job of handicapping.

I am gettng similar results with our top selection. ROI is often as good
or better on the place call as the win. Have you done any work on when
to pull the WIN trigger and when to bet place?

For example, if my top selection is dropping more than one class level,
he's a better place bet than win. Have you found a partcular odds point or
factor that helps you make ths decision?

Murph

[csmith]

Hi cmoore

I really don't have the time or inclination to take challenges every day. If you go to Whobet's thread everyday he has my top choice among his selections. I am headed for Phoenix on Wednesday and won't be back in Florida until the 6th of January. Although I will have my laptop with me I choose to spend the time in Phoenix with my Daughter and Grandson. maybe when I get back we can figure something out.
Thanks for the interest

[csmith]

Hello csmith,

Your results look to be in line with most capable public selectors. As
sample sizes become greater than a few hundred races, I consder WIN
ROI's that lose less than the track take, a fine job of handicapping.

I am gettng similar results with our top selection. ROI is often as good
or better on the place call as the win. Have you done any work on when
to pull the WIN trigger and when to bet place?

For example, if my top selection is dropping more than one class level,
he's a better place bet than win. Have you found a partcular odds point or
factor that helps you make ths decision?

Murph

Hi Murph
I agree with what you say. I gave an explanation in an earlier post as to why I am not up to date on my records... Yes I do have some things that trigger my plays. I can usually find about 3 races per track each day where I consider a bet. Some tracks I can't find a a bet that meets my criteria. I look for overlays all the time. I am familiar with your work and you do a very good job.

[lxdoomxl]

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[riskman]

Thought so. Do yourself a favor and stay out of the grown up threads.


Since when did you become the board hoss ?

[PaceAdvantage]

Does that mean you are going to bail out already, LoserEnough with the name calling.