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46zilzal
12-14-2007, 11:16 AM
There is a very good movie called Damaged Care about the life of an insider in the HMO industry, Dr. Linda Peno. It is a great insight on how these amoral nit-picking a-holes, the "bean counters," try to practice medicine and keep that "bottom line" high by excluding the care they promise to pay for.

This lady testified before congress as well.
http://www.fenichel.com/Ganske.shtml

delayjf
12-14-2007, 11:30 AM
46,
How would you feel about HMO / hospitols being run as NPO's. In other words, take the profit out of health care on a corp level? Anybody else have any thoughts??

46zilzal
12-14-2007, 11:42 AM
46,
How would you feel about HMO / hospitols being run as NPO's. In other words, take the profit out of health care on a corp level? Anybody else have any thoughts??
That was pointed out in the movie: ostensibly they are non-profit but does not include the inter-office bonuses given to those who deny the most care.

That title is a hollow one. If that could be reached it would help but the corporate swine would never allow that.

Tom
12-14-2007, 11:52 AM
What about the medical swine?

Perhaps we should remove doctor's from the free enterprise system and put them on government allowances, government assignments, governement decreed work hours and locations.

If we are going to opt for government run health care, then let's go all the way. If the premise is that everyone is entitled to health care, then we are entitled to also control it totally.

46zilzal
12-14-2007, 11:55 AM
Having a governmental program, particularly to save families the totally unexpected hardship of catastrophic disease would be a big step.

You have run into some unscrupulous physicians: too bad. They are not all that way, but the good ones are hard to find. I know of about 5 total.

delayjf
12-14-2007, 12:27 PM
In talking to some people who deal in the medical field here in Cal, their estimation is that HMO's worked fine before they became for profit. At that point corp profits became an influence on the services provided. To keep health cost down and to avoid Universal healthcare, I'm will to entertain at least the idea of eliminating corp profit as a part of the of heatlth care cost equation.

Show Me the Wire
12-14-2007, 12:34 PM
delayjf:

A good place to start, eliminate corporate profit from health services. This is a health and safety issue and interjecting the factor of corporate profit distorts the ultimate goal.

Tom
12-14-2007, 12:59 PM
How about we just make health insurance 100% deductable up to a certain standard?

delayjf
12-14-2007, 01:18 PM
How about we just make health insurance 100% deductable up to a certain standard?
Novel Idea :ThmbUp: