NJ Racing Plan

[alhattab]

I know there are many NJ owners in the Forum. How would you feel about a 50-65 day Monmouth only season? I think going boutique is the only way to save the track in the current political environment. I'm thinking reducing to that number of days plus $10 million/year from AC for T'breds would support nearly $500k/day. They would need to find more money for breeders awards for winning open company races outside of NJ. Plan would call for 3 day weeks beginning KY Derby weekend, taking two weekends off in June between Belmont and Fathers' Day (or start running Mem. Day and running continuously). Then 4 day weeks starting 4th of July weekend through Labor Day and weekends only in Sept.

Combine stakes like Red Bank, Salvator and Eatontown on Mem Day weekend and the Iselin, UN and Jersey Shore on the same day (or move Iselin to Mem Day weekend since no Pimlico Special and put Salvator on 4th of July since other big 'Cap race that weekend is Suburban at 1 1/4).

I think this is the way to go to stave off drain from surrounding states.

Note Delaware thinking about going to 100 day meet at $365k/day after 2007 meet debacle.

Thoughts?

[jma]

I think your plan makes sense. It's better to keep the meet prestigious and meaningful. The other times this has been brought us, it seems most people on here want to expand the Monmouth meet and run even more days, which is the opposite of what you suggest.

I don't think there "a lot" of NJ owners here. I think there are one or two, and one of them though Hal Handel owned Monmouth, so I wouldn't take them too seriously.

[john del riccio]

I think your plan makes sense. It's better to keep the meet prestigious and meaningful. The other times this has been brought us, it seems most people on here want to expand the Monmouth meet and run even more days, which is the opposite of what you suggest.

I don't think there "a lot" of NJ owners here. I think there are one or two, and one of them though Hal Handel owned Monmouth, so I wouldn't take them too seriously.

MTH racing has been declining for several years. The current political environment is pretty shady. I would love for MTH to run from memorial day to labor day but for just 4 days a week; thursday through sunday.

john

[onefast99]

I think your plan makes sense. It's better to keep the meet prestigious and meaningful. The other times this has been brought us, it seems most people on here want to expand the Monmouth meet and run even more days, which is the opposite of what you suggest.

I don't think there "a lot" of NJ owners here. I think there are one or two, and one of them though Hal Handel owned Monmouth, so I wouldn't take them too seriously.
Hal Handel never owned Monmouth no one ever said that if you go back and check the posts the discussion was about Atlantic City racecourse and Greenwood, NJSEA owns Monmouth and the Meadowlands. The Meadowlands will always be part of racing in NJ, no one wants it but it is part of the package for thoroughbred racing in this state. I guess you have not read the previous threads on this subject, if you did you would know that there are at least 5 if not more owners of t-breds on this forum. Thanks for your informative post!

[PaceAdvantage]

That was much better....:ThmbUp: ;)

[onefast99]

That was much better....:ThmbUp: ;)
:cool:

[Zman179]

The plan wouldn't work.
First of all, the AC casinos are not going to agree to pay an additional $10 million per year on top of the subsidy that they already provide. Secondly, the harness horsemen are certainly NOT going to agree to that plan, especially since the harness horsemen and breeders have way more clout than the thoroughbred horsemen in the state of New Jersey. Lastly, there is no reason why Monmouth should continue past Labor Day; periods after Labor Day have proven to be weak for business. The meet should end when the beach season does.

[onefast99]

The plan wouldn't work.
First of all, the AC casinos are not going to agree to pay an additional $10 million per year on top of the subsidy that they already provide. Secondly, the harness horsemen are certainly NOT going to agree to that plan, especially since the harness horsemen and breeders have way more clout than the thoroughbred horsemen in the state of New Jersey. Lastly, there is no reason why Monmouth should continue past Labor Day; periods after Labor Day have proven to be weak for business. The meet should end when the beach season does.
If the track can provide competitive racing there is no reason to scrap the meet after labor day. The weather is still nice and people do enjoy going to the track. The Saturday race-card would still bring in the people and if the track does some on sight promotions you never know!

[Zman179]

"If" is the biggest word in the English language.

Bottom line is that racing has not been of good quality in September and the crowds thin after Labor Day when people leave their beach homes and bungalows to return to wherever they came from. True the weather is nice, but it isn't often nice enough to be beach weather in late September (this year of course was an exception.) Monmouth should simply focus on their core period which is between Memorial and Labor Days where they regularly outdraw, and even double, the attendance at Belmont.

[David-LV]

The ideal racing schedule for Monmouth would be March 15 to Labor Day.

March 15 to Memorial Day 4 days a week. Thur thru Sun.

Memorial Day to the first day of the Saratoga meet 5 days a week. Wed thru Sun.

First day of Saratoga to Labor Day 6 days a week. Wed thru Mon.

What New Jersey needs is more racing not less.

You run on Monday during Saratoga to take advantage of the horseplayers that are playing on Mondays.

_________
David

[njcurveball]

I don't think there "a lot" of NJ owners here. I think there are one or two, and one of them though Hal Handel owned Monmouth, so I wouldn't take them too seriously.

Hal Handel is a "snake oil salesman". The post in question was fueled by his own statement that he would leave Phila Park and rebuld ACRC. I did some research on it by talking to the workers and Handel did say he was going to try to do it.

He spent 6 months on his task by showing up there one or two times and then moved on to NYRA.

We all tend to believe someone even when the proof is going the other way.

It is just like the 4njbets website, which is horrible and they keep promising to make it better. Unfortunately they gave the contract to Scientific Games, the worst company in the horse racing game.

Some things are not going to change no matter how much people are told they will. Don't fault the messenger here, he wasn't the one who walked out on NJ racing.

[alhattab]

The plan wouldn't work.
First of all, the AC casinos are not going to agree to pay an additional $10 million per year on top of the subsidy that they already provide. Secondly, the harness horsemen are certainly NOT going to agree to that plan, especially since the harness horsemen and breeders have way more clout than the thoroughbred horsemen in the state of New Jersey. Lastly, there is no reason why Monmouth should continue past Labor Day; periods after Labor Day have proven to be weak for business. The meet should end when the beach season does.

ZMan- to clarify the $10 million is not in addition to anything. The initial supplement ended 2007. My proposal calls for $10 million/year to the T'Breds. I'm not speaking at all for the harness interests. Last supplement for both breeds was $86 million over 4 years. I don't know the historical split.

[alhattab]

I know there are many NJ owners in the Forum. How would you feel about a 50-65 day Monmouth only season? I think going boutique is the only way to save the track in the current political environment. I'm thinking reducing to that number of days plus $10 million/year from AC for T'breds would support nearly $500k/day. They would need to find more money for breeders awards for winning open company races outside of NJ. Plan would call for 3 day weeks beginning KY Derby weekend, taking two weekends off in June between Belmont and Fathers' Day (or start running Mem. Day and running continuously). Then 4 day weeks starting 4th of July weekend through Labor Day and weekends only in Sept.

Combine stakes like Red Bank, Salvator and Eatontown on Mem Day weekend and the Iselin, UN and Jersey Shore on the same day (or move Iselin to Mem Day weekend since no Pimlico Special and put Salvator on 4th of July since other big 'Cap race that weekend is Suburban at 1 1/4).

I think this is the way to go to stave off drain from surrounding states.

Note Delaware thinking about going to 100 day meet at $365k/day after 2007 meet debacle.

Thoughts?

I would like to congratulate myself on being the first person to think of this wonderful, innovative, ground-breaking plan that Monmouth finally implemented nearly 3 years after I offered them this free advice.

[exiles]

I would like to congratulate myself on being the first person to think of this wonderful, innovative, ground-breaking plan that Monmouth finally implemented nearly 3 years after I offered them this free advice.

You should try to get a job as a prophet.

[onefast99]

I would like to congratulate myself on being the first person to think of this wonderful, innovative, ground-breaking plan that Monmouth finally implemented nearly 3 years after I offered them this free advice.
Dennis Drazin brought this idea to the horseman at a meeting about three years ago. There was no need to implement any drastic changes at that time as the casino revenue payments were still coming in. Now that 2011 will be the first year of no casino revenue funds to the horseman Kulina acted upon Drazins idea and brought it to the racing commision and panel of "experts" assembled by Christi for another look. This time Forbes pushed the idea and as we saw it was implemented and thus far it is a success. You did bring this up a while ago and you were right on target.

[Bluto Blutarsky]

Let the moaning and groaning by Tom continue- 4 J-Bred races on Saturday at Monmouth!
Woodbine awaits all your bets, Tom!

[GARY Z]

[, NJSEA owns Monmouth and the Meadowlands. The Meadowlands will always be part of racing in NJ, no one wants it but it is part of the package for thoroughbred racing in this state. I guess you have not read the previous



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Club Med has suspended the THoroughbred meet, seemingly 4 ever

[onefast99]

[, NJSEA owns Monmouth and the Meadowlands. The Meadowlands will always be part of racing in NJ, no one wants it but it is part of the package for thoroughbred racing in this state. I guess you have not read the previous



FYI:


Club Med has suspended the THoroughbred meet, seemingly 4 ever
That was in 2007 it is now 2010 and the right decisions are being made for NJ racing. Hopefully they will include a fall meet at AC also. MP is well on its way to a great season and more to follow.

[onefast99]

Let the moaning and groaning by Tom continue- 4 J-Bred races on Saturday at Monmouth!
Woodbine awaits all your bets, Tom!
Woodbine is a nice track but at MP Tom would be betting on his favorite NY jocks and horses!

[Tom]

Let the moaning and groaning by Tom continue- 4 J-Bred races on Saturday at Monmouth!
Woodbine awaits all your bets, Tom!

What's your problem dude?
You need to get a life.
Someone makes a comment on a forum and it becomes your life's mission to hang on it? Must be a pretty dismal life if this is what floats your boat.
I guess NJ Breds are about your speed.:rolleyes:

[Bluto Blutarsky]

What's your problem dude?
You need to get a life.
Someone makes a comment on a forum and it becomes your life's mission to hang on it? Must be a pretty dismal life if this is what floats your boat.
I guess NJ Breds are about your speed.:rolleyes:

I need to get a life? This from a guy who has 40,608 posts.
Come on out into the sunshine, Tom.
There is a whole world out there for you to explore.
:ThmbUp:

[Tom]

I'm not into stalking like you are.

[lamboguy]

on saturday, he has ALGEIBA in on a turf allowance race, 2 days later he has the barn's star in philadelphia park in the MY JOLIET $250,00o stake race with D'WILD RIDE. i want to wish BRIAN the best of luck this weekend

[onefast99]

on saturday, he has ALGEIBA in on a turf allowance race, 2 days later he has the barn's star in philadelphia park in the MY JOLIET $250,00o stake race with D'WILD RIDE. i want to wish BRIAN the best of luck this weekend
Thanks lambo the My Juliet is on Saturday afternoon at Philly Park, race number 9 about 3 hours after Algeiba goes into the gate. Hopefully the racing Gods are with us and we take home some money!

[point given]

Thanks lambo the My Juliet is on Saturday afternoon at Philly Park, race number 9 about 3 hours after Algeiba goes into the gate. Hopefully the racing Gods are with us and we take home some money!

Will you be doing a doubleheader at philly and MP ? Best of luck to you.:ThmbUp:

[onefast99]

Will you be doing a doubleheader at philly and MP ? Best of luck to you.:ThmbUp:
Actually going to see Bon Jovi so I will be watching it on TVG and my computer before we head out to the Meadowlands. D'wild Ride fits very well with this group and Centeno is coming over from Presque Isle to ride her. I don't know how Algeiba will handle the turf if it is taken off the turf he will win.

[Stevie Belmont]

With the Super Bowl at The Meadowlands in 4 years, I think NJ racing should try and capitalize on this somehow. An idea that I have already come up with and believe is a good one would be to have a big day of racing at the Meadowlands a week before the Super Bowl. Almost like a mini BC or something along those lines. The day would conclude with the big one--The $10 Million Super Bowl Stakes or Derby. It would be a showcase event for thoroughbred horse racing and the time of it is feasible. A few months after the BC and a couple months before the DWC.

Each sport could cross promoted each other, and some money would go to a racing charity--retired thoroughbreds/research and retired football players from yester-year that are struggling without a pension or injuries.

[onefast99]

With the Super Bowl at The Meadowlands in 4 years, I think NJ racing should try and capitalize on this somehow. An idea that I have already come up with and believe is a good one would be to have a big day of racing at the Meadowlands a week before the Super Bowl. Almost like a mini BC or something along those lines. The day would conclude with the big one--The $10 Million Super Bowl Stakes or Derby. It would be a showcase event for thoroughbred horse racing and the time of it is feasible. A few months after the BC and a couple months before the DWC.

Each sport could cross promoted each other, and some money would go to a racing charity--retired thoroughbreds/research and retired football players from yester-year that are struggling without a pension or injuries.
Your idea is excellent, as you know the NFL puts on their own display which is second to none. They will offer fanfests of every sort utilizing whatever indoor space is available to them. NJ knows how much money the Superbowl will bring in, I think getting the Xanadu project completed may be one of the main goals of our current Governor. Harness racing will probably be doing something as they have the track at that time, bringing in tons of top soil to allow the thoroughbreds to race won't be in the cards.

[Stevie Belmont]

They have 4 years to work something out.

The $10 Million Super Bowl Stakes or Super Bowl Derby.

The idea hit me as soon as the Meadowlands landed the game.

If Monmouth can continue this momentum and proves successful, money could very well be spent on this. And by than VLT's could be there. It would be a $$ windfall.

But to make harness people happy, they would get a cut as well. All the horseman & horses win.

Considering I live in the Meadowlands--I want this to happen.

[PaceAdvantage]

I need to get a life? This from a guy who has 40,608 posts.
Come on out into the sunshine, Tom.
There is a whole world out there for you to explore.
:ThmbUp:I implore you to cease with this kind of nonsense.

[onefast99]

They have 4 years to work something out.

The $10 Million Super Bowl Stakes or Super Bowl Derby.

The idea hit me as soon as the Meadowlands landed the game.

If Monmouth can continue this momentum and proves successful, money could very well be spent on this. And by than VLT's could be there. It would be a $$ windfall.

But to make harness people happy, they would get a cut as well. All the horseman & horses win.

Considering I live in the Meadowlands--I want this to happen.
The VLT's will be there.

[Stevie Belmont]

They could also build a hotel that would be adjacent to the track. You would not even have to leave the building. A tunnel or elevator would take you right into the Meadowlands track. If the VLT's are in place by that time, you have a year round destination in a super location.



The VLT's will be there.

[The Hawk]

The VLT's will be there.

Didn't Christie already come out and say that there's no way he'd let that happen? Are you banking on a Democrat being in by then? Or do you think the casinos will finally understand they're cutting off their noses to spite their faces?

[onefast99]

Didn't Christie already come out and say that there's no way he'd let that happen? Are you banking on a Democrat being in by then? Or do you think the casinos will finally understand they're cutting off their noses to spite their faces?
The casinos will realize just how they screwed themselves by not allowing the VLT's at the racetracks. AC is in another state as far as the Northern NJ residents are concerned.

[alhattab]

The casinos will realize just how they screwed themselves by not allowing the VLT's at the racetracks. AC is in another state as far as the Northern NJ residents are concerned.

I live 8 furlongs north of Monmouth Park, and most people from North Jersey say I live in "South Jersey".

Interesting little card Saturday. Count me in.

Good luck in your races Brian.

[njcurveball]

If the VLT's are in place by that time, you have a year round destination in a super location.

If the Atlantic City Casino lobbyists that run the state said NO when the casinos were doing well. Why do think they will say YES when the casinos are struggling?

[badcompany]

The casinos will realize just how they screwed themselves by not allowing the VLT's at the racetracks. AC is in another state as far as the Northern NJ residents are concerned.

The success of the Yonkers racino brought this home in a big way. AC thought it had NYC by the short hairs. Oops. There are 5000 slot machines 12 miles from midtown Manhattan.

[Thomas Roulston]

I live 8 furlongs north of Monmouth Park, and most people from North Jersey say I live in "South Jersey".

Interesting little card Saturday. Count me in.

Good luck in your races Brian.



Doesn't it go by area code - if you were in the original 201 (now also 973 and 908 and 732 as well as 201) you're North Jersey, and if you were in the original 609 (now also 856) you're South Jersey?

[alhattab]

Doesn't it go by area code - if you were in the original 201 (now also 973 and 908 and 732 as well as 201) you're North Jersey, and if you were in the original 609 (now also 856) you're South Jersey?

That is one way to think about it. But parochial N. Jersey folk think the Driscoll Bridge is the Mason-Dixon Line. With the area code change, generally N. Jersey to me means Tom's River and north, with the Western boundary a NW/SE 45 degree line that starts at the northeastern edge of 295 outside of Trenton. That is pretty roughly the old 609 area code line but I think 609 started a little north of Tom's River.

[onefast99]

I live 8 furlongs north of Monmouth Park, and most people from North Jersey say I live in "South Jersey".

Interesting little card Saturday. Count me in.

Good luck in your races Brian.
Thanks, hopefully we get the lions share today, I wish Algeibas race comes off the turf, I see us as a 3-5 shot then. D'wild Ride has her work cut out for her but she just faced Saarlight in NY and she held her own quite well with a rail trip on a sloppy track. She fits well here I think Cat Moves needs one and Pinkerella is due for a bounce.