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whobet
12-05-2007, 12:35 PM
:p :D EVERYBODY LIKES THESE for Wednesday :D :p
EVERYBODY LIKES THESE for Wednesday
CT R01 (http://www.brisnet.com/cgi-bin/instant_pdf.cgi?type=inc&country=USA&track=CT&date=2007-12-05&race=1) #9 SOUFRIERE (REYNOLDS LARRY C)____________(01/01)_

LRL R01 (http://www.brisnet.com/cgi-bin/instant_pdf.cgi?type=inc&country=USA&track=LRL&date=2007-12-05&race=1) #4 LAST TRAIN BABE (ROSE JEREMY)___________(01/04)_

PEN R05 (http://www.brisnet.com/cgi-bin/instant_pdf.cgi?type=inc&country=USA&track=PEN&date=2007-12-05&race=5) #2 VIGOROUS (CLIFTON THOMAS)_______________(01/02)_

PEN R09 (http://www.brisnet.com/cgi-bin/instant_pdf.cgi?type=inc&country=USA&track=PEN&date=2007-12-05&race=9) #7 PADISHAH (BELMONTE LUIS A)______________(02/01)_

WO R05 (http://www.brisnet.com/cgi-bin/instant_pdf.cgi?type=inc&country=CAN&track=WO&date=2007-12-05&race=5) #2 BAYWOODS (HUSBANDS PATRICK)_____________(01/01)_




PUNCHY'S SPOT PICKS for Wednesday
PUNCHY'S SPOT PICKS
DED R09 (http://www.brisnet.com/cgi-bin/instant_pdf.cgi?type=inc&country=USA&track=DED&date=2007-12-05&race=9) #5 DOLLARJUNCTION (SIMINGTON D)____________(04/02)_

HAW R05 (http://www.brisnet.com/cgi-bin/instant_pdf.cgi?type=inc&country=USA&track=HAW&date=2007-12-05&race=5) #2 CONNER'S BRITTANY (THORNTON TIMOTHY)____(02/03)_

LRL R07 (http://www.brisnet.com/cgi-bin/instant_pdf.cgi?type=inc&country=USA&track=LRL&date=2007-12-05&race=7) #1 RYAN'S FOR REAL (CARABALLO JOSE C)______(01/02)_

LRL R02 (http://www.brisnet.com/cgi-bin/instant_pdf.cgi?type=inc&country=USA&track=LRL&date=2007-12-05&race=2) #2 JOHNS GROOMS (BOCACHICA ORLANDO)________(01/03)_

HOL R01 (http://www.brisnet.com/cgi-bin/instant_pdf.cgi?type=inc&country=USA&track=HOL&date=2007-12-05&race=1) #5 SUNDAY DRESS (ALMEIDA G F)______________(01/01)_




Late Pace PICKS for Wednesday
Late Pace PICKS
AQU R01 (http://www.brisnet.com/cgi-bin/instant_pdf.cgi?type=inc&country=USA&track=AQU&date=2007-12-05&race=1) #3 SARAH'S SMILER (DOMINGUEZ RAMON A)______(01/03)_ (BrisPickLatePace)

AQU R02 (http://www.brisnet.com/cgi-bin/instant_pdf.cgi?type=inc&country=USA&track=AQU&date=2007-12-05&race=2) #8 LUTAY LOVE (HOLE TAYLOR M)______________(04/02)_ (BrisPickLatePace)

AQU R06 (http://www.brisnet.com/cgi-bin/instant_pdf.cgi?type=inc&country=USA&track=AQU&date=2007-12-05&race=6) #5 ACT OF CONTRITION (BRIDGMOHAN JERMAINE V)(01/02)_ (BrisPickLatePace)

BEU R01 (http://www.brisnet.com/cgi-bin/instant_pdf.cgi?type=inc&country=USA&track=BEU&date=2007-12-05&race=1) #2 POKER PRINCESS (DELACRUZ FERNANDO)______(04/02)_ (PunchyLatePace)

BEU R05 (http://www.brisnet.com/cgi-bin/instant_pdf.cgi?type=inc&country=USA&track=BEU&date=2007-12-05&race=5) #2 SUNNY MARKET (PAUCAR EDGAR)_____________(05/05)_ (PunchyLatePace)

BEU R06 (http://www.brisnet.com/cgi-bin/instant_pdf.cgi?type=inc&country=USA&track=BEU&date=2007-12-05&race=6) #1A FREESTYLE SPIRIT (THORWARTH OTTO)______(10/01)_ (PunchyLatePace)

BEU R09 (http://www.brisnet.com/cgi-bin/instant_pdf.cgi?type=inc&country=USA&track=BEU&date=2007-12-05&race=9) #6 PICK UP LINES (FIGUEROA SERGIO)_________(09/03)_ (BrisPickLatePace) (PunchyLatePace)

CT R01 (http://www.brisnet.com/cgi-bin/instant_pdf.cgi?type=inc&country=USA&track=CT&date=2007-12-05&race=1) #9 SOUFRIERE (REYNOLDS LARRY C)____________(01/01)_ (BrisPickLatePace) (PunchyLatePace)

CT R05 (http://www.brisnet.com/cgi-bin/instant_pdf.cgi?type=inc&country=USA&track=CT&date=2007-12-05&race=5) #3 PERILOUS LAD (ACOSTA J D)_______________(05/01)_ (BrisPickLatePace) (PunchyLatePace)

DED R01 (http://www.brisnet.com/cgi-bin/instant_pdf.cgi?type=inc&country=USA&track=DED&date=2007-12-05&race=1) #9 LAURA'SINSPIRATION (SANTOS ROMUALDO)____(01/01)_ (BrisPickLatePace) (PunchyLatePace)

DED R02 (http://www.brisnet.com/cgi-bin/instant_pdf.cgi?type=inc&country=USA&track=DED&date=2007-12-05&race=2) #2 J. P.'S INDY (SIMINGTON D)______________(01/04)_ (PunchyLatePace)

DED R03 (http://www.brisnet.com/cgi-bin/instant_pdf.cgi?type=inc&country=USA&track=DED&date=2007-12-05&race=3) #9 ANGELONTARGET (MECHE CODY)______________(03/01)_ (BrisPickLatePace)

DED R07 (http://www.brisnet.com/cgi-bin/instant_pdf.cgi?type=inc&country=USA&track=DED&date=2007-12-05&race=7) #1 REUBEN PROSPECT (Lejeune S P Jr)________(04/05)_ (BrisPickLatePace) (PunchyLatePace)

DED R08 (http://www.brisnet.com/cgi-bin/instant_pdf.cgi?type=inc&country=USA&track=DED&date=2007-12-05&race=8) #5 KING OF MARDI GRAS (HERNANDEZ COLBY J)__(08/04)_ (BrisPickLatePace) (PunchyLatePace)

DED R09 (http://www.brisnet.com/cgi-bin/instant_pdf.cgi?type=inc&country=USA&track=DED&date=2007-12-05&race=9) #5 DOLLARJUNCTION (SIMINGTON D)____________(04/02)_ (PunchyLatePace)

GG R05 (http://www.brisnet.com/cgi-bin/instant_pdf.cgi?type=inc&country=USA&track=GG&date=2007-12-05&race=5) #2 OUR FRIEND THURMAN (MARTINEZ CAMPOS J)__(05/06)_ (PunchyLatePace)

GG R06 (http://www.brisnet.com/cgi-bin/instant_pdf.cgi?type=inc&country=USA&track=GG&date=2007-12-05&race=6) #3 COCHA BAMBA (GUTIERREZ MARIO)___________(09/01)_ (PunchyLatePace)

GG R08 (http://www.brisnet.com/cgi-bin/instant_pdf.cgi?type=inc&country=USA&track=GG&date=2007-12-05&race=8) #2 SEVEN NATION ARMY (BAZE RUSSELL A)______(06/07)_ (PunchyLatePace)

HAW R04 (http://www.brisnet.com/cgi-bin/instant_pdf.cgi?type=inc&country=USA&track=HAW&date=2007-12-05&race=4) #1 KATHY'S LIL CAT (HERNANDEZ R)___________(06/02)_ (PunchyLatePace)

HAW R07 (http://www.brisnet.com/cgi-bin/instant_pdf.cgi?type=inc&country=USA&track=HAW&date=2007-12-05&race=7) #6 BRIXTON'S CONTE (WADE LYNDIE)___________(03/01)_ (BrisPickLatePace)

HAW R08 (http://www.brisnet.com/cgi-bin/instant_pdf.cgi?type=inc&country=USA&track=HAW&date=2007-12-05&race=8) #4 SEVENTEEN ABOVE (THORNTON TIMOTHY)______(06/07)_ (BrisPickLatePace) (PunchyLatePace)

HAW R09 (http://www.brisnet.com/cgi-bin/instant_pdf.cgi?type=inc&country=USA&track=HAW&date=2007-12-05&race=9) #4 WAR BOUNTY (AGILAR TREY)________________(09/02)_ (BrisPickLatePace)

HOL R03 (http://www.brisnet.com/cgi-bin/instant_pdf.cgi?type=inc&country=USA&track=HOL&date=2007-12-05&race=3) #6 BRIAN THE BOLD (GOMEZ GARRETT K)________(04/03)_ (BrisPickLatePace) (PunchyLatePace)

HOL R04 (http://www.brisnet.com/cgi-bin/instant_pdf.cgi?type=inc&country=USA&track=HOL&date=2007-12-05&race=4) #12 CALL OR RAISE (NAKATANI COREY S)_______(10/02)_ (PunchyLatePace)

LRL R01 (http://www.brisnet.com/cgi-bin/instant_pdf.cgi?type=inc&country=USA&track=LRL&date=2007-12-05&race=1) #4 LAST TRAIN BABE (ROSE JEREMY)___________(01/04)_ (BrisPickLatePace) (PunchyLatePace)

LRL R04 (http://www.brisnet.com/cgi-bin/instant_pdf.cgi?type=inc&country=USA&track=LRL&date=2007-12-05&race=4) #4 INDY CATE (ROSE JEREMY)_________________(01/01)_ (PunchyLatePace)

LRL R07 (http://www.brisnet.com/cgi-bin/instant_pdf.cgi?type=inc&country=USA&track=LRL&date=2007-12-05&race=7) #3 SARATOGA LULABY (PANELL DYN)____________(07/05)_ (BrisPickLatePace)

PEN R01 (http://www.brisnet.com/cgi-bin/instant_pdf.cgi?type=inc&country=USA&track=PEN&date=2007-12-05&race=1) #1 DAWN RIOT (CLIFTON THOMAS)______________(05/01)_ (BrisPickLatePace)

PEN R02 (http://www.brisnet.com/cgi-bin/instant_pdf.cgi?type=inc&country=USA&track=PEN&date=2007-12-05&race=2) #3 TOPPING (CORTEZ ALCIBIADES C)___________(02/03)_ (BrisPickLatePace)

PEN R09 (http://www.brisnet.com/cgi-bin/instant_pdf.cgi?type=inc&country=USA&track=PEN&date=2007-12-05&race=9) #7 PADISHAH (BELMONTE LUIS A)______________(02/01)_ (BrisPickLatePace) (PunchyLatePace)

TP R03 (http://www.brisnet.com/cgi-bin/instant_pdf.cgi?type=inc&country=USA&track=TP&date=2007-12-05&race=3) #2 LEGAL MOTION (DIEGO INOSENCIO)__________(07/02)_ (BrisPickLatePace) (PunchyLatePace)

TP R04 (http://www.brisnet.com/cgi-bin/instant_pdf.cgi?type=inc&country=USA&track=TP&date=2007-12-05&race=4) #2 MELODY LANE (DOSER M)___________________(11/04)_ (PunchyLatePace)

WO R03 (http://www.brisnet.com/cgi-bin/instant_pdf.cgi?type=inc&country=CAN&track=WO&date=2007-12-05&race=3) #8 STRIKING ATTITUDE (BAIRD JERRY)_________(08/02)_ (PunchyLatePace)

WO R06 (http://www.brisnet.com/cgi-bin/instant_pdf.cgi?type=inc&country=CAN&track=WO&date=2007-12-05&race=6) #1A BOLD CORKY (O'BRIEN CATHERINE)_________(04/01)_ (PunchyLatePace)

WO R08 (http://www.brisnet.com/cgi-bin/instant_pdf.cgi?type=inc&country=CAN&track=WO&date=2007-12-05&race=8) #2 CREASE INFRACTION (BAIRD JERRY)_________(07/01)_ (BrisPickLatePace) (PunchyLatePace)




Whobet's SPOT PICKS for Wednesday
Whobet's SPOT PICKS



Whobet's picks for 12/5/2007(Wednesday)


Whobet's picks for LAUREL PARK on 12/5/2007(Wednesday)

LRL Race 01 (http://www.equibase.com/static/chart/pdf/LRL120507USA1.pdf)
4$$ - LASTTRAINBABE(Corina)(Cliff Smith)(TheOutsiders)(PunchyLatePace)(BrisPickLateP ace)(BrisUltraPP)
8 - PICASSO'SIMAGE
1 - WITHAGRAINOFSALT(CrazyBear)
2 - LORDRAFA
LRL Race 02 (http://www.equibase.com/static/chart/pdf/LRL120507USA2.pdf)
1 - SMOOTHITOVER(Cliff Smith)(TheOutsiders)
3 - BELIEVEINYESTERDAY
2 - JOHNSGROOMS(Corina)(CrazyBear)(BrisPickLatePace)(B risUltraPP)(Punchy)
4 - SOUTHERNSOPRANO
LRL Race 03 (http://www.equibase.com/static/chart/pdf/LRL120507USA3.pdf)
3$$$ - DOUBLEORQUITS(CrazyBear)(Punchy)(BrisUltraPP)
9 - SNOWYSKIES
10 - SURAFAN(Corina)(Cliff Smith)
6 - SARAE(BrisPickLatePace)
LRL Race 04 (http://www.equibase.com/static/chart/pdf/LRL120507USA4.pdf)
4$ - INDYCATE(Cliff Smith)(PunchyLatePace)(BrisUltraPP)
5 - ROSECOLORED(Corina)(BrisPickLatePace)(TheOutsiders )
2 - WENDYDOLL
7 - SOCIALPROSPECT
LRL Race 05 (http://www.equibase.com/static/chart/pdf/LRL120507USA5.pdf)
6 - ONTHECASE(CrazyBear)(BrisUltraPP)
1 - CLAY'SAHERO(Corina)(BrisPickLatePace)(TheOutsiders )(Punchy)
3 - COLDSNAP
9 - MISSMATTYC
LRL Race 06 (http://www.equibase.com/static/chart/pdf/LRL120507USA6.pdf)
2$ - FIVEMILL(Corina)(CrazyBear)(Punchy)(BrisPickLatePa ce)(BrisUltraPP)
1 - IMPERTURBABLE
5 - HENRY'SHERO(Cliff Smith)
7 - BOXOFCOOKIES
LRL Race 07 (http://www.equibase.com/static/chart/pdf/LRL120507USA7.pdf)
3 - SARATOGALULABY(BrisPickLatePace)
1 - RYAN'SFORREAL(Cliff Smith)(BrisUltraPP)(Punchy)
5 - COYOTESHIGHESTCALL(Corina)(CrazyBear)(TheOutsiders )
2 - ENCAUSTIC
LRL Race 08 (http://www.equibase.com/static/chart/pdf/LRL120507USA8.pdf)
5 - EVENKEEL(Corina)(CrazyBear)(Punchy)(BrisPickLatePa ce)
7 - REALLYNICE(BrisUltraPP)
4 - BITTERLEMON(TheOutsiders)
6 - MATTEROFSTYLE
LRL Race 09 (http://www.equibase.com/static/chart/pdf/LRL120507USA9.pdf)
2$$$ - WALKINGAROUNDLUCKY(Cliff Smith)(CrazyBear)(Punchy)(BrisUltraPP)
1 - ASHLEYSCARM(TheOutsiders)
6 - LUCKYLADYDESTINY
7 - MISSELLOREE

Best Bet Win: LRL Race 03 - #3 DOUBLE OR QUITS 40.5238
Best Bet Exacta: LRL Race 04 (#4-#2) - 3.139772 - INDY CATE / WENDY DOLL
Best Bet Triple: LRL Race 06 (#2-#1-#5) - 3.132095 - FIVE MILL / IMPERTURBABLE / HENRY'S HERO


Whobet's picks for AQUEDUCT on 12/5/2007(Wednesday)

AQU Race 01 (http://www.equibase.com/static/chart/pdf/AQU120507USA1.pdf)
3$$ - SARAH'SSMILER(Corina)(Cliff Smith)(CrazyBear)(TheOutsiders)(BrisPickLatePace)( BrisUltraPP)
2 - BOURNEFIRST
4 - KIMKANRUN
8 - ALLFIREDUP
AQU Race 02 (http://www.equibase.com/static/chart/pdf/AQU120507USA2.pdf)
7$ - TOOMUCHZIP(CrazyBear)(TheOutsiders)(BrisUltraPP)
1 - RAISIN'SILVER
5 - REGALPLAYTIME
9 - DINNERINTHEMEADOW(Cliff Smith)
AQU Race 03 (http://www.equibase.com/static/chart/pdf/AQU120507USA3.pdf)
5 - PIETY(Corina)(CrazyBear)(BrisUltraPP)
1A - SUCCESSFULAFFAIR
4 - ANGELICAURA(Cliff Smith)(TheOutsiders)(BrisPickLatePace)
1 - MALIBUMOONSHINE
AQU Race 04 (http://www.equibase.com/static/chart/pdf/AQU120507USA4.pdf)
7 - TOUGHBELLESA(BrisPickLatePace)
12 - SARATOGACHANCE(TheOutsiders)(BrisUltraPP)
2 - CATCHUPTOTHESUN
11 - FLOWERSTORM
AQU Race 05 (http://www.equibase.com/static/chart/pdf/AQU120507USA5.pdf)
3 - MORGAN'SWISH(BrisPickLatePace)(BrisUltraPP)
9 - EMBRACEABLEYOU(CrazyBear)
6 - MAKEUSHAPPY(TheOutsiders)
7 - CRAYDA
AQU Race 06 (http://www.equibase.com/static/chart/pdf/AQU120507USA6.pdf)
5$$$ - ACTOFCONTRITION(Cliff Smith)(BrisPickLatePace)(BrisUltraPP)
6 - MAJESTICMELODY(TheOutsiders)
8 - WARTALE(CrazyBear)
1 - KISSTHEDICE
AQU Race 07 (http://www.equibase.com/static/chart/pdf/AQU120507USA7.pdf)
6 - VISUALCANDY(Cliff Smith)(CrazyBear)(BrisPickLatePace)
1 - BODGIT'SJEWEL(Corina)
3 - HIGHERINCENTIVE(TheOutsiders)(BrisUltraPP)
4 - KATHLEEN'SCHANCE
AQU Race 08 (http://www.equibase.com/static/chart/pdf/AQU120507USA8.pdf)
1 - INDIANHAWKE(BrisPickLatePace)(BrisUltraPP)
3 - STOLENTIME
7 - HURRAH
5 - EXECUTIVEFLEET(TheOutsiders)
AQU Race 09 (http://www.equibase.com/static/chart/pdf/AQU120507USA9.pdf)
1 - FINALSTORY(BrisPickLatePace)(BrisUltraPP)
3 - RACELAND
5 - MYHUSBAND
10 - LETHIMTHINKHESBOSS

Best Bet Win: AQU Race 06 - #5 ACT OF CONTRITION 4.92374
Best Bet Exacta: AQU Race 01 (#3-#8) - 3.123676 - SARAH'S SMILER / ALL FIRED UP
Best Bet Triple: AQU Race 06 (#5-#6-#8) - 2.330553 - ACT OF CONTRITION / MAJESTIC MELODY / WAR TALE

whobet
12-05-2007, 12:40 PM
Whobet's picks for BEULAH PARK on 12/5/2007(Wednesday)

BEU Race 01 (http://www.equibase.com/static/chart/pdf/BEU120507USA1.pdf)
1 - SUNSTRUCK(TheOutsiders)(BrisUltraPP)
6 - SPIFFY
5 - ALLCLEAR
4 - SCREAMINGHOLLY
BEU Race 02 (http://www.equibase.com/static/chart/pdf/BEU120507USA2.pdf)
6 - BAGHRAN(Punchy)
8 - HERECOMESUNC
3 - TARRIVER
7 - STAYFOREVERYOUNG(BrisPickLatePace)(Corina)
BEU Race 03 (http://www.equibase.com/static/chart/pdf/BEU120507USA3.pdf)
1$$$ - PETEYG(Punchy)(BrisUltraPP)
4 - BLAZINGFOREST(Cliff Smith)
5 - SLEWBISCUIT(TheOutsiders)
2 - SMACKER(BrisPickLatePace)
BEU Race 04 (http://www.equibase.com/static/chart/pdf/BEU120507USA4.pdf)
1$$$ - LOVIN'LISA(Corina)(TheOutsiders)(Punchy)(BrisPickL atePace)(BrisUltraPP)
5 - STAGEDOORPENNY(Cliff Smith)
6 - ROCKETCHIC
8 - IMPERIALPRINCESS
BEU Race 05 (http://www.equibase.com/static/chart/pdf/BEU120507USA5.pdf)
2 - SUNNYMARKET(PunchyLatePace)
4 - SILVERTALKRIB
9 - JUSTCALLMEMRK(Cliff Smith)(BrisUltraPP)
6 - GOLDENSUNRISE(BrisPickLatePace)
BEU Race 06 (http://www.equibase.com/static/chart/pdf/BEU120507USA6.pdf)
1 - WHITEHEAT(BrisPickLatePace)(BrisUltraPP)
4 - IT'SAWESOMEBABY
2 - CONVEXITY(Corina)
3 - BROTHERDUDE
BEU Race 07 (http://www.equibase.com/static/chart/pdf/BEU120507USA7.pdf)
5 - GRAYDEVIL
4 - ONAWITCHHUNT(Corina)(BrisPickLatePace)(BrisUltraPP )(Punchy)
3 - DANEK.(Cliff Smith)
9 - TRAILBOSS(TheOutsiders)
BEU Race 08 (http://www.equibase.com/static/chart/pdf/BEU120507USA8.pdf)
10 - SHOOBRUSH
7 - HUNTERJAY
4 - ROSEWARS(Cliff Smith)(BrisPickLatePace)
1$$$ - JACHOVIA(TheOutsiders)(BrisUltraPP)(Punchy)
BEU Race 09 (http://www.equibase.com/static/chart/pdf/BEU120507USA9.pdf)
9 - ZENITA(BrisUltraPP)
7 - AMAZEYA(Corina)
2 - MISSAB
3 - DELIGHTFULREWARD(BrisPickLatePace)

Best Bet Win: BEU Race 08 - #1 JACHOVIA 5.75974
Best Bet Exacta: BEU Race 06 (#1-#4) - 12.27582 - WHITE HEAT / IT'S AWESOME BABY
Best Bet Triple: BEU Race 05 (#2-#9-#4) - 4.993034 - SUNNY MARKET / JUST CALL ME MR K / SILVER TALK RIB


Whobet's picks for HAWTHORNE on 12/5/2007(Wednesday)

HAW Race 01 (http://www.equibase.com/static/chart/pdf/HAW120507USA1.pdf)
1 - ESTRELLADEORO(Cliff Smith)(TheOutsiders)(Punchy)(BrisPickLatePace)
4 - DAZZLEDARLIN(Corina)(CrazyBear)(BrisUltraPP)
2 - BRILLIANTHUMOR
3 - BRIDGETO'FLYNN
HAW Race 02 (http://www.equibase.com/static/chart/pdf/HAW120507USA2.pdf)
5 - TATTOOEDLADY(Corina)(CrazyBear)(BrisUltraPP)
7 - INLIGHTOFITALL(BrisPickLatePace)(Cliff Smith)(Punchy)
6 - HOLYSTARLITE
1 - SHEMUSTBEMAGIC
HAW Race 03 (http://www.equibase.com/static/chart/pdf/HAW120507USA3.pdf)
5 - SHANSEL
2 - HEREGUCCI(TheOutsiders)
1 - SARIBELCRUZ(Corina)
4 - MOLLEESEA(BrisPick)(Cliff Smith)(BrisUltraPP)(Punchy)
HAW Race 04 (http://www.equibase.com/static/chart/pdf/HAW120507USA4.pdf)
7 - ALLYSGOLDENSMILE(Cliff Smith)
6 - ONEPERFECTDAY(CrazyBear)
1 - KATHY'SLILCAT(Corina)(BrisUltraPP)(PunchyLatePace)
4 - SUPERIORCOURT
HAW Race 05 (http://www.equibase.com/static/chart/pdf/HAW120507USA5.pdf)
2$$ - CONNER'SBRITTANY(Corina)(Punchy)
5 - ALBATA(BrisPickLatePace)
3 - SUPERFINETIME(Cliff Smith)(BrisUltraPP)
1 - SANPITCART(CrazyBear)(TheOutsiders)
HAW Race 06 (http://www.equibase.com/static/chart/pdf/HAW120507USA6.pdf)
9 - GALLANTINGUY(Punchy)(BrisUltraPP)
2 - GT'SWALKER(Cliff Smith)(TheOutsiders)
8 - SPAGHETTIMAN(Corina)(BrisPickLatePace)
1 - K.O.POSH
HAW Race 07 (http://www.equibase.com/static/chart/pdf/HAW120507USA7.pdf)
1 - LAVAONTHERUN(Corina)(CrazyBear)(BrisUltraPP)
6 - BRIXTON'SCONTE(BrisPickLatePace)
2 - COMELATELEAVEARLY(Punchy)
8 - CURIOUSCORKY
HAW Race 08 (http://www.equibase.com/static/chart/pdf/HAW120507USA8.pdf)
4$ - SEVENTEENABOVE(Corina)(CrazyBear)(PunchyLatePace)( BrisPickLatePace)
3 - TEELAK
8 - WILDBUTABLE(TheOutsiders)(BrisUltraPP)
1 - HIGHNESS
HAW Race 09 (http://www.equibase.com/static/chart/pdf/HAW120507USA9.pdf)
3 - FITZROYAL(CrazyBear)(TheOutsiders)
2 - GETINGEAR
4 - WARBOUNTY(BrisPickLatePace)
1 - CATONTHEGRASS(Corina)(Cliff Smith)(BrisUltraPP)(Punchy)

Best Bet Win: HAW Race 05 - #2 CONNER'S BRITTANY 3.169065
Best Bet Exacta: HAW Race 02 (#5-#6) - 2.383067 - TATTOOED LADY / HOLY STARLITE
Best Bet Triple: HAW Race 07 (#1-#2-#6) - 2.868845 - LAVA ON THE RUN / COMELATELEAVEARLY / BRIXTON'S CONTE


Whobet's picks for HOLLYWOOD PARK on 12/5/2007(Wednesday)

HOL Race 01 (http://www.equibase.com/static/chart/pdf/HOL120507USA1.pdf)
7 - ASKSAM(CrazyBear)
5 - SUNDAYDRESS(Corina)(BrisPickLatePace)(Cliff Smith)(TheOutsiders)(BrisUltraPP)(Punchy)
3 - PTOWNPRINCESS
1 - SARACINA
HOL Race 02 (http://www.equibase.com/static/chart/pdf/HOL120507USA2.pdf)
1$$$ - DISTORTEDPASSION(TheOutsiders)(Punchy)(BrisPickLat ePace)
7 - NOOKANDGRANNY(Cliff Smith)(CrazyBear)(BrisUltraPP)
6 - PRINCESSTRACI
5 - PEISINOE
HOL Race 03 (http://www.equibase.com/static/chart/pdf/HOL120507USA3.pdf)
6$ - BRIANTHEBOLD(Corina)(TheOutsiders)(PunchyLatePace) (BrisPickLatePace)(BrisUltraPP)
7 - LOSTPARADISE(CrazyBear)
2 - JUPITER'SSTONE
1 - SHANTIVAN
HOL Race 04 (http://www.equibase.com/static/chart/pdf/HOL120507USA4.pdf)
12$ - CALLORRAISE(PunchyLatePace)(BrisUltraPP)
1 - MYMASTER(CrazyBear)
8 - DARKPAST(Cliff Smith)(TheOutsiders)(BrisPickLatePace)
2 - SOMTHINTOMAKIMRUN(Corina)
HOL Race 05 (http://www.equibase.com/static/chart/pdf/HOL120507USA5.pdf)
6 - SKYLIGHTER(Punchy)(BrisUltraPP)
5 - LIFEATTEN(Corina)(TheOutsiders)
1 - TATESQUEEN(CrazyBear)(BrisPickLatePace)
4 - THEYCALLMELADYLUCK
HOL Race 06 (http://www.equibase.com/static/chart/pdf/HOL120507USA6.pdf)
2$ - GHOSTTRAPPER(TheOutsiders)(Punchy)
6 - COUNTORANGE(CrazyBear)
3 - GRAYBLACKNWHITE(Corina)(Cliff Smith)(BrisPickLatePace)(BrisUltraPP)
4 - COUSINSLEW
HOL Race 07 (http://www.equibase.com/static/chart/pdf/HOL120507USA7.pdf)
5$ - WINGSPAN(Corina)(CrazyBear)(Punchy)(BrisPickLatePa ce)(BrisUltraPP)
1 - ROCKELLA
6 - SOHGOL(TheOutsiders)
7 - HIGHERLOVE
HOL Race 08 (http://www.equibase.com/static/chart/pdf/HOL120507USA8.pdf)
3$$ - FAMILIARSTRANGER(Corina)(Punchy)(BrisPickLatePace)
7 - PUTYOURARMAROUNDME(BrisUltraPP)
4 - HIGHINVESTMENT(TheOutsiders)
2 - UMBER

Best Bet Win: HOL Race 02 - #1 DISTORTED PASSION 4.165151
Best Bet Exacta: HOL Race 08 (#3-#4) - 2.003069 - FAMILIAR STRANGER / HIGH INVESTMENT
Best Bet Triple: HOL Race 03 (#6-#2-#7) - 5.662334 - BRIAN THE BOLD / JUPITER'S STONE / LOST PARADISE


Whobet's picks for GOLDEN GATE FIELDS on 12/5/2007(Wednesday)

GG Race 01 (http://www.equibase.com/static/chart/pdf/GG120507USA1.pdf)
4 - DARKNESSNIGHT(Corina)(TheOutsiders)(Punchy)(BrisUl traPP)
2 - PEAKINAHURRY
5 - OL'RAZZLEDAZZLE
1 - HOMEICE(BrisPickLatePace)
GG Race 02 (http://www.equibase.com/static/chart/pdf/GG120507USA2.pdf)
1 - GERIHEARSANECHO(Corina)(CrazyBear)(TheOutsiders)(P unchy)(BrisPickLatePace)(BrisUltraPP)
3 - KNEELING'SPRIDE
5 - RUNSUKIRUN
4 - MARRYMELARRY(Cliff Smith)
GG Race 03 (http://www.equibase.com/static/chart/pdf/GG120507USA3.pdf)
2 - HYPERSPEEDHOWARD
4 - BIGBOYCOLE(Cliff Smith)
6 - RICHBLEND(BrisPickLatePace)(BrisUltraPP)(Punchy)
3 - ILLUMINATOR
GG Race 04 (http://www.equibase.com/static/chart/pdf/GG120507USA4.pdf)
1$$ - RUBYHAZE(Corina)(CrazyBear)(TheOutsiders)(BrisPick LatePace)
10 - TEACHER'SRULE(BrisUltraPP)(Punchy)
4 - HEART'SMUSIC
9 - OHSOSMOOTH(Cliff Smith)
GG Race 05 (http://www.equibase.com/static/chart/pdf/GG120507USA5.pdf)
8 - LATINLOUIE(BrisUltraPP)
6 - CHOSENWISLEY(BrisPickLatePace)(Cliff Smith)
2 - OURFRIENDTHURMAN(PunchyLatePace)
5 - MOLLY'SDURANGO(CrazyBear)
GG Race 06 (http://www.equibase.com/static/chart/pdf/GG120507USA6.pdf)
3$$ - COCHABAMBA(Cliff Smith)(PunchyLatePace)(BrisUltraPP)
7 - BUNDORAN
9 - ATTHEBADABING(Corina)(BrisPickLatePace)
2 - WELOVEYATOO
GG Race 07 (http://www.equibase.com/static/chart/pdf/GG120507USA7.pdf)
4$$$ - AFIRMSTORM(Cliff Smith)(Punchy)
2 - WILDSHAMAN(CrazyBear)
1 - MOTELSTAFF(BrisPickLatePace)(BrisUltraPP)
8 - FLYFORRESTFLY
GG Race 08 (http://www.equibase.com/static/chart/pdf/GG120507USA8.pdf)
2$$$ - SEVENNATIONARMY(Corina)(CrazyBear)(PunchyLatePace)
6 - ZIGZAGZOOM
1 - COOLRED
3 - WEWILLPREVAIL

Best Bet Win: GG Race 07 - #4 A FIRM STORM 4.181019
Best Bet Exacta: GG Race 04 (#1-#4) - 6.024091 - RUBY HAZE / HEART'S MUSIC
Best Bet Triple: GG Race 03 (#2-#6-#4) - 3.862239 - HYPER SPEED HOWARD / RICH BLEND / BIG BOY COLE


Whobet's picks for TURFWAY PARK on 12/5/2007(Wednesday)

TP Race 01 (http://www.equibase.com/static/chart/pdf/TP120507USA1.pdf)
3 - DOUBLETHEGREED(Cliff Smith)
5 - CHILLETECAUX(CrazyBear)(BrisUltraPP)
9 - OUTLAW'SSONG(TheOutsiders)(Punchy)
6 - HOOCHEDEXPRESS
TP Race 02 (http://www.equibase.com/static/chart/pdf/TP120507USA2.pdf)
7 - IMAGINARYHERO(TheOutsiders)(Punchy)(BrisPickLatePa ce)
6 - BOLDDONERAILE
8 - HAYMAZEL(CrazyBear)
4 - MALIBUMAN
TP Race 03 (http://www.equibase.com/static/chart/pdf/TP120507USA3.pdf)
11 - SCARABRAE(BrisUltraPP)
2 - LEGALMOTION(BrisPickLatePace)(TheOutsiders)(Punchy LatePace)
1 - STREETSOFRICHMOND
5 - CRIMSONCORREDOR(CrazyBear)
TP Race 04 (http://www.equibase.com/static/chart/pdf/TP120507USA4.pdf)
2$$$ - MELODYLANE(PunchyLatePace)(BrisUltraPP)
6 - LORETTA'SANGEL
1 - LIBERTYBELLAH
4 - BERNIESIRISHGIRL(Cliff Smith)
TP Race 05 (http://www.equibase.com/static/chart/pdf/TP120507USA5.pdf)
7 - WRAPPER(CrazyBear)(BrisPickLatePace)
3 - CHACHABROWN
6 - TASTEEBUBBLES(BrisUltraPP)(Punchy)
10 - MYGALLEXIE
TP Race 06 (http://www.equibase.com/static/chart/pdf/TP120507USA6.pdf)
10 - BLUESBREEZE(Cliff Smith)(CrazyBear)
4$ - FIRSTLADYGLENNA(BrisPickLatePace)(BrisUltraPP)(Pun chy)
7 - MAINSTREETIN'
1 - SNEAKADRINK
TP Race 07 (http://www.equibase.com/static/chart/pdf/TP120507USA7.pdf)
4 - STORMONTHEBLOCK
5 - FOSTER(Cliff Smith)(CrazyBear)
8 - BANBURYCROSS(Corina)(BrisUltraPP)(Punchy)
1 - FIESTATEXAS
TP Race 08 (http://www.equibase.com/static/chart/pdf/TP120507USA8.pdf)
4 - MISSELSIE(Punchy)
3 - MISSWELLSPRING(BrisUltraPP)
7 - AUBEE'SAMALI
2 - SPANISHGHOST(Corina)(CrazyBear)(TheOutsiders)
TP Race 09 (http://www.equibase.com/static/chart/pdf/TP120507USA9.pdf)
9$ - RP'SCOMMAND(Cliff Smith)
13 - FOURLEAF
1 - BRIARMAN(BrisPickLatePace)(BrisUltraPP)(Punchy)
3 - KUTENAI

Best Bet Win: TP Race 04 - #2 MELODY LANE 5.460949
Best Bet Exacta: TP Race 03 (#11-#4) - 2.933398 - SCARA BRAE / NATURAL TENDANCY
Best Bet Triple: TP Race 07 (#8-#4-#5) - 2.930023 - BANBURY CROSS / STORM ON THE BLOCK / FOSTER

whobet
12-05-2007, 12:42 PM
Whobet's picks for PENN NATIONAL on 12/5/2007(Wednesday)

PEN Race 01 (http://www.equibase.com/static/chart/pdf/PEN120507USA1.pdf)
1 - DAWNRIOT(Cliff Smith)(CrazyBear)(BrisPickLatePace)
8 - BOWLERAL(BrisUltraPP)
5 - MISSHEAVY'SCAT
9 - TAKEMEDRUNKI'MHOME(Corina)
PEN Race 02 (http://www.equibase.com/static/chart/pdf/PEN120507USA2.pdf)
6 - EXECUTION(CrazyBear)(Punchy)(BrisUltraPP)
3 - TOPPING(Corina)(BrisPickLatePace)
2 - BLUSHINGBRAHMS
5 - TALESOFGLORY
PEN Race 03 (http://www.equibase.com/static/chart/pdf/PEN120507USA3.pdf)
9$ - DOINGANED(Corina)(Punchy)(BrisPickLatePace)(BrisUl traPP)
11 - FAITHINLUCK
8 - LACESOUT(Cliff Smith)
12 - JABNSCOOT
PEN Race 04 (http://www.equibase.com/static/chart/pdf/PEN120507USA4.pdf)
4$$$ - VALIDTRICK(Corina)(Punchy)
2 - SERVICESRENDERED
3 - JUNKYIELD(BrisUltraPP)
1 - ITSAWARDTHING(Cliff Smith)
PEN Race 05 (http://www.equibase.com/static/chart/pdf/PEN120507USA5.pdf)
2$$$ - VIGOROUS(Corina)(CrazyBear)(Punchy)(BrisPickLatePa ce)(BrisUltraPP)
7 - WASTENAWAY
9 - CRIMEWAVE(Cliff Smith)
1 - ROANOKESTORM
PEN Race 06 (http://www.equibase.com/static/chart/pdf/PEN120507USA6.pdf)
10 - MYBADCAT(BrisUltraPP)
1 - DEMANDAFAVOR(BrisPickLatePace)(Cliff Smith)(Punchy)
3 - DUKEOFNOTTINGHAM(Corina)(CrazyBear)
6 - TAXIVIST
PEN Race 07 (http://www.equibase.com/static/chart/pdf/PEN120507USA7.pdf)
6$$$ - ROBNBUD(Corina)(Punchy)(BrisPickLatePace)(BrisUltr aPP)
3 - WESTERNPIRATE(Cliff Smith)(CrazyBear)
12 - MONTJULEPS
8 - ANGELCITY
PEN Race 08 (http://www.equibase.com/static/chart/pdf/PEN120507USA8.pdf)
2 - MISSMCPUNCH(Punchy)(BrisPickLatePace)(BrisUltraPP)
4 - WINNINGLINE(Cliff Smith)(CrazyBear)
1 - RIVERBOUND
5 - FLOURISHING
PEN Race 09 (http://www.equibase.com/static/chart/pdf/PEN120507USA9.pdf)
7 - PADISHAH(Cliff Smith)(CrazyBear)(PunchyLatePace)(BrisPickLatePace )(BrisUltraPP)
8 - PASTA(Corina)
2 - MR.JEROME
5 - THETRIPCONTINUES

Best Bet Win: PEN Race 05 - #2 VIGOROUS 7.777223
Best Bet Exacta: PEN Race 01 (#1-#8) - 14.64802 - DAWN RIOT / BOWLER AL
Best Bet Triple: PEN Race 09 (#7-#8-#5) - 4.187294 - PADISHAH / PASTA / THE TRIP CONTINUES


Whobet's picks for WOODBINE on 12/5/2007(Wednesday)

WO Race 01 (http://www.equibase.com/static/chart/pdf/WO120507CAN1.pdf)
9$$$ - BOLD'NTRASHY(TheOutsiders)(Punchy)(BrisUltraPP)
10 - HOMELYHALO(BrisPickLatePace)
1 - MISSAQUARIUS(Corina)
8 - IMMUNITYCHALLENGE
WO Race 02 (http://www.equibase.com/static/chart/pdf/WO120507CAN2.pdf)
9$ - SEAMANSVILLAGE(Punchy)
2 - STARFLIGHTLAD(TheOutsiders)
5 - GOODBYEPOPPA(BrisPickLatePace)
7 - SUNAFTERNOON(Cliff Smith)(BrisUltraPP)
WO Race 03 (http://www.equibase.com/static/chart/pdf/WO120507CAN3.pdf)
8 - STRIKINGATTITUDE(PunchyLatePace)(BrisUltraPP)
1 - TATTIMAN(Cliff Smith)
6 - LIMOSANO
3 - OYEGAVAULT
WO Race 04 (http://www.equibase.com/static/chart/pdf/WO120507CAN4.pdf)
2 - PRICKLYSITUATION(Cliff Smith)
3 - SLIPPERYBUTTER
10 - SHORTSHORTS(Corina)(BrisPickLatePace)(Punchy)
6 - BRAHMSBEAUTY(BrisUltraPP)
WO Race 05 (http://www.equibase.com/static/chart/pdf/WO120507CAN5.pdf)
2$$$ - BAYWOODS(Corina)(Cliff Smith)(Punchy)(BrisPickLatePace)(BrisUltraPP)
5 - FRIVOLETTE
3 - RUNFORFREEDOM
4 - CLASSICSHOES
WO Race 06 (http://www.equibase.com/static/chart/pdf/WO120507CAN6.pdf)
4 - LAGRANLESLIE(BrisPickLatePace)
1 - LAGRANEMMA
6 - MOONPATH
5 - CHOIRPRACTICE(Corina)
WO Race 07 (http://www.equibase.com/static/chart/pdf/WO120507CAN7.pdf)
7$$$ - SIXPACKSAMMY(Corina)(Punchy)(BrisPickLatePace)(Bri sUltraPP)
3 - TIPTOEANNIE
6 - MRS.BEGAN
8 - GINGERBREW(TheOutsiders)
WO Race 08 (http://www.equibase.com/static/chart/pdf/WO120507CAN8.pdf)
2 - CREASEINFRACTION(Cliff Smith)(PunchyLatePace)(BrisPickLatePace)
5 - ESTEVAN(BrisUltraPP)
9 - DAVETHEKNAVE
1 - AREYOUSERIOUS
WO Race 09 (http://www.equibase.com/static/chart/pdf/WO120507CAN9.pdf)
14$ - GRATORECUERDO(Punchy)(BrisPickLatePace)(BrisUltraP P)
13 - XALER
16 - DEMISONG
3 - CRACKENTHORPE

Best Bet Win: WO Race 05 - #2 BAYWOODS 32.14567
Best Bet Exacta: WO Race 09 (#14-#13) - 1.431495 - GRATO RECUERDO / XALER
Best Bet Triple: WO Race 07 (#7-#3-#6) - 4.737813 - SIX PACK SAMMY / TIP TOE ANNIE / MRS. BEGAN


Whobet's picks for CHARLES TOWN RACES & SLOTS on 12/5/2007(Wednesday)

CT Race 01 (http://www.equibase.com/static/chart/pdf/CT120507USA1.pdf)
9$$$ - SOUFRIERE(Cliff Smith)(PunchyLatePace)(BrisPickLatePace)(BrisUltra PP)
2 - GOLDENRIBBONS
3 - KATRINABLUE
4 - DIXIELAND
CT Race 02 (http://www.equibase.com/static/chart/pdf/CT120507USA2.pdf)
3$ - HOTSAX(Corina)(Cliff Smith)(Punchy)(BrisPickLatePace)
6 - PRIVATESEA(BrisUltraPP)
5 - MT.IDA
10 - MYLADYO'WAR
CT Race 03 (http://www.equibase.com/static/chart/pdf/CT120507USA3.pdf)
4$$$ - ROUSETHECAT(Corina)(Punchy)(BrisPickLatePace)(Bris UltraPP)
5 - JUSTWILD
3 - BABYBUZZ(Cliff Smith)
9 - HERCULES
CT Race 04 (http://www.equibase.com/static/chart/pdf/CT120507USA4.pdf)
2$$$ - SECRETFIELD(Cliff Smith)(Punchy)(BrisUltraPP)
4 - POSSUMCOOKINMARTHA(Corina)
7 - CASEOFREALITY(BrisPickLatePace)
5 - DAYOFDREAMS
CT Race 05 (http://www.equibase.com/static/chart/pdf/CT120507USA5.pdf)
3$$$ - PERILOUSLAD(Corina)(Cliff Smith)(PunchyLatePace)(BrisPickLatePace)(BrisUltra PP)
7 - MAXIMIZE
9 - JUSTZIPPY
1 - SNOWCLOUD
CT Race 06 (http://www.equibase.com/static/chart/pdf/CT120507USA6.pdf)
5 - SMARTSTEPPER(Corina)(Punchy)(BrisPickLatePace)(Bri sUltraPP)
8 - SNUNNER
7 - MOULIND'OR
6 - HOPEWEBREAKEVEN
CT Race 07 (http://www.equibase.com/static/chart/pdf/CT120507USA7.pdf)
3$ - SEEYOUINTHECITY(Corina)(Punchy)(BrisUltraPP)
6 - CUMBERLAND(Cliff Smith)
2 - CAMISADO
5 - COPPERROOSTER
CT Race 08 (http://www.equibase.com/static/chart/pdf/CT120507USA8.pdf)
2 - RUNTHRUTHESUN(Corina)(Punchy)
6 - LOVE'SSTRONGHART(BrisUltraPP)
5 - JOSE
3 - HEARTTHROBBIN'(BrisPickLatePace)
CT Race 09 (http://www.equibase.com/static/chart/pdf/CT120507USA9.pdf)
3 - AFTONMOUNTAIN(Corina)
5 - DANGERPOINT(Punchy)
9 - EAMONN
4 - CLASSICZAK(BrisPickLatePace)

Best Bet Win: CT Race 05 - #3 PERILOUS LAD 22.97445
Best Bet Exacta: CT Race 01 (#9-#3) - 3.840943 - SOUFRIERE / KATRINA BLUE
Best Bet Triple: CT Race 03 (#4-#5-#3) - 3.194597 - ROUSE THE CAT / JUST WILD / BABY BUZZ


Whobet's picks for DELTA DOWNS on 12/5/2007(Wednesday)

DED Race 01 (http://www.equibase.com/static/chart/pdf/DED120507USA1.pdf)
6 - BOB'SROSEBUD
9$$$ - LAURA'SINSPIRATION(Corina)(BrisPickLatePace)(Cliff Smith)(BrisUltraPP)(PunchyLatePace)
5 - HOMETOWNSPARKLE
7 - SWEETLILA
DED Race 02 (http://www.equibase.com/static/chart/pdf/DED120507USA2.pdf)
2 - J.P.'SINDY(PunchyLatePace)(BrisUltraPP)
5 - JAYELA
8 - BERRYDELIGHTFUL(CrazyBear)
3 - FARASINO
DED Race 03 (http://www.equibase.com/static/chart/pdf/DED120507USA3.pdf)
2$$$ - MYBUTTONS(Corina)(Punchy)
5 - CRAFTY'SCZ
6 - ELLIEBELLE
4 - LATEKAIT'SGOLD(Cliff Smith)(BrisUltraPP)
DED Race 04 (http://www.equibase.com/static/chart/pdf/DED120507USA4.pdf)
8 - MYMANKIPPER(Cliff Smith)
4 - IRISHFROST(CrazyBear)
2 - DI'SMANOFTHEHOUR(BrisUltraPP)
1 - LUVYADUBYA(Corina)(BrisPick)(Punchy)
DED Race 05 (http://www.equibase.com/static/chart/pdf/DED120507USA5.pdf)
3 - LIKEAMAGICFLUTE(CrazyBear)
4 - BLUEGROOM(BrisPickLatePace)
6 - REDBRIAR(Corina)
7 - PASSIONATESTORM(BrisUltraPP)
DED Race 06 (http://www.equibase.com/static/chart/pdf/DED120507USA6.pdf)
7 - SMOKINFORTYWON(CrazyBear)
1 - BESTMINISTERYET(Cliff Smith)(BrisUltraPP)
9 - MR.ROCKETMAN(Punchy)
8 - JOHNR
DED Race 07 (http://www.equibase.com/static/chart/pdf/DED120507USA7.pdf)
1 - REUBENPROSPECT(PunchyLatePace)(BrisPickLatePace)
3 - BEN'SYO(Cliff Smith)
7 - DAZZINGGOLD(CrazyBear)
8 - FINDER'SCREEK(Corina)(BrisUltraPP)
DED Race 08 (http://www.equibase.com/static/chart/pdf/DED120507USA8.pdf)
5$$$ - KINGOFMARDIGRAS(PunchyLatePace)(BrisPickLatePace)( BrisUltraPP)
1 - DON'TJINXIT
6 - AUSTINBARBER(Corina)(CrazyBear)
8 - INVSLEW
DED Race 09 (http://www.equibase.com/static/chart/pdf/DED120507USA9.pdf)
5$$$ - DOLLARJUNCTION(Cliff Smith)(PunchyLatePace)(BrisUltraPP)
3 - DRCODY(BrisPickLatePace)(CrazyBear)
4 - KASANE
2 - SENDMETHEMONEY(Corina)
DED Race 10 (http://www.equibase.com/static/chart/pdf/DED120507USA10.pdf)
5$$ - ONEGAMEBAG(Punchy)(BrisUltraPP)
8 - GOLDMACE
1 - WANDALAND'STURK
9 - DINGDANGOUTLAW

Best Bet Win: DED Race 08 - #5 KING OF MARDI GRAS 16.75482
Best Bet Exacta: DED Race 04 (#8-#1) - 2.390476 - MY MAN KIPPER / LUVYA DUBYA
Best Bet Triple: DED Race 09 (#5-#3-#4) - 3.761816 - DOLLARJUNCTION / DR CODY / KASANE

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1. Who is Cliff Smith

Answer:
Google: "Cliff Smith" horses or
purchase Cliff's daily picks at http://www.letitride.com

2. Who is Tinman/Corina

Answer: Check out these links
A: http://***************.com/horseboards/yabb/YaBB.pl
B: http://www.horseracingzone.com/horsetalk/viewforum.php?f=4
C: http://www.************.com/forumdisplay.php?f=6

3. Who is Punchy

Answer:
It's a secret, Tinman hates Punchy


4. Who is CrazyBear

Answer: Check out this link
http://www.geocities.com/crazybear53/Chiefcrazybearspicks.html

5. Who is TheOutsiders

Answer: Check out this link
http://www.hostingphpbb.com/forum/index.php?mforum=horseracingfeve


6. Where do you get the BRIS data

Answer:
Some free BRIS data is available here:
http://www.horse-races.net/library/links-pastperformances.htm#free

7. Is that your pet ostrich

Answer:
http://www.2kool4u.com/powerpoint/just_checking.pps

8. How do you handicap all those races.
My computer does all the handicapping,

I just feed it info,

alot of what I do is get lots of picks off the internet,
feed them into the computer,
and I have a unique Jock/Trainer Database that I apply,

and I sorta get a consensus of other people's picks
and I apply my Jockey/Trainer stats,

I also use Weight, M-L, PostPosition

I am not looking for LongShots

9. Handicapping HELP

The Mathematical Basis for Successful Overlay Wagering
By Dr. Jerry C. Kenley, Ph.D.
Professor of Economics and Statistics
Co-founder of the Thoroughbred Valuline

http://www.trackmaster.com/retail/valuline.htm


10. Whobet also hangs out at:
http://***************.com/horseboards/yabb/YaBB.pl?catselect=general

A nice gentleman, DON, usually scores three Major tracks, and I post my picks to see how I do against everybody else.
Usually it's NY,SoCa,KY
The picks I post there are usually the same as I post here, unless I am experimenting,
LOL, Whobet experiments alot, I don't always stay inside the BOX,
Check it out, great site. I also vent over there.

11. Whobet's body guard

I hereby anounce that I have empowered Warrant to be Whobet's bodygaurd,
and he is allowed to take care of(Taser) anybody who beats up on Whobet,


12. Whobet's picks, what should we expect.

I accumulate a lot of Handicapping Information, and I am presenting it to you for free,
there is great value in what I am giving you. I work very hard at this.
I do a consensus because there is no way I could ever handicap all these races,
so I collect information from other handicappers.

What I really do is handicap the handicappers, and it is not a total consensus,
some of the handicappers picks I never use, they aren't good enough.

I post 4 picks, only because when I first started posting, that's what everybody else
was doing, so that's how I wrote my program, give them four picks in order of rank.
However, I am only looking for winners, my program is not tuned for EXACTA's, TRIPLE's or SUPER's.
It is tuned for the average ROI of the WPS payoffs.

Now that doesn't mean my 2nd,3rd and 4th picks are useless. But if I was tuned for EXACTA's,
my picks would be different. Same for TRIPLE's and SUPER's.

Now what you should do with all this information, and remember it is free,
no one makes me post this information. It is up to each individual to take all this info
and apply in their handicapping decisions, IT's THAT SIMPLE.

No one can pick every race and expect to return a profit, I am giving you a guide and it is free.

Only a fool would ignore all this information I am giving you.

As Anderon says, "Let's get profitable"

lxdoomxl
12-05-2007, 07:50 PM
AQU Race 08 (http://www.equibase.com/static/chart/pdf/AQU120507USA8.pdf)
1 - INDIANHAWKE(BrisPickLatePace)(BrisUltraPP)
3 - STOLENTIME
7 - HURRAH
5 - EXECUTIVEFLEET(TheOutsiders)
$2 Exacta1-7 77.00$2 Trifecta1-7-5 517.00

i also want to thank you who bet......i hit this .....$1...exacta and trifecta....thanks buddy:jump: :jump:

whobet
12-05-2007, 08:38 PM
Whobet's trying to help you'all get profitable

Dahoss9698
12-05-2007, 08:44 PM
I wanted to thank you also Whobet for some laughs the last few weeks. How anyone could follow you and your "picks" is beyond me, but it has been amusing. So thanks again. :lol: :lol:

spicytomato
12-05-2007, 08:54 PM
these are malcontents that expect to be handed
all the $600 dollar payout ponies for 2 dollar bet,
and thats including scr, rain, snow, tornado, yikes!!:eek:

i read your posts till i understood learned how to
use them and it took me a lil while, but now i look for them
everyday when im deciding to go or not to go

thanks whobet

please keep posting for the friends you got ;)

this is really easy to find and use as is:kiss:

ms spice

Dahoss9698
12-05-2007, 08:59 PM
these are malcontents that expect to be handed
all the $600 dollar payout ponies for 2 dollar bet,
and thats including scr, rain, snow, tornado, yikes!!:eek:

i read your posts till i understood learned how to
use them and it took me a lil while, but now i look for them
everyday when im deciding to go or not to go

thanks whobet

please keep posting for the friends you got ;)

this is really easy to find and use as is:kiss:

ms spice

Actually I handicap for myself. I actually like handicapping. It seems as though maybe handicapping, actually handicapping might be losing it's luster nowadays with all of the technology.

But I have to say, I highly doubt anyone of Whobet's fans actually place a bet...ever. But hopefully you do...it's good to have dumb money in pools.

whobet
12-05-2007, 09:47 PM
Actually I handicap for myself. I actually like handicapping. It seems as though maybe handicapping, actually handicapping might be losing it's luster nowadays with all of the technology.

But I have to say, I highly doubt anyone of Whobet's fans actually place a bet...ever. But hopefully you do...it's good to have dumb money in pools.

DaHoss

You don't think Whobet's picks are Handicapped,

I challenge you to a contest,
if you are such a great handicapper,
and none of my fans ever bet,
and I expect some of my fans to join in,
and use my info,

it's easy to critize,

but you got to be able to walk the talk,
what do you say.

I post my picks here everyday.

Dahoss9698
12-05-2007, 10:36 PM
DaHoss

You don't think Whobet's picks are Handicapped,

I challenge you to a contest,
if you are such a great handicapper,
and none of my fans ever bet,
and I expect some of my fans to join in,
and use my info,

it's easy to critize,

but you got to be able to walk the talk,
what do you say.

I post my picks here everyday.

I'll take your challenge any time you want, if you could actually present a feasible challenge. Not sure how that would be considering you post 4 picks a race and claim to bet one a day to show, but sure loser leaves the board, how is that? By your own admission,

"alot of what I do is get lots of picks off the internet,
feed them into the computer,
and I have a unique Jock/Trainer Database that I apply,

and I sorta get a consensus of other people's picks
and I apply my Jockey/Trainer stats,

I also use Weight, M-L, PostPosition

I am not looking for LongShots"

So where exactly is the handicapping? What am I missing, other than you are setting up a way to swindle clueless people out of eventually paying for your "picks"?

Again, anyday you want to go toe to toe, I'm in. Name the track and the day.

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Originally Posted by spicytomato
these are malcontents that expect to be handed
all the $600 dollar payout ponies for 2 dollar bet,
and thats including scr, rain, snow, tornado, yikes!!:eek:

i read your posts till i understood learned how to
use them and it took me a lil while, but now i look for them
everyday when im deciding to go or not to go

thanks whobet

please keep posting for the friends you got ;)

this is really easy to find and use as is:kiss:

ms spice



Actually I handicap for myself. I actually like handicapping. It seems as though maybe handicapping, actually handicapping might be losing it's luster nowadays with all of the technology.

But I have to say, I highly doubt anyone of Whobet's fans actually place a bet...ever. But hopefully you do...it's good to have dumb money in pools.


how do you know we make any bets or not?do you think....if who bets picks not paying out for us.....we just come here and post thanks to him every day? i dont see any one talking about how good a handicapper you are.....i dont even see you posting any picks.............forget the challenge ...you are not worthy for a challege...first prove yourself then talk.................thats for now:lol: :lol:

onefast99
12-06-2007, 11:03 AM
Aqueduct race 1 be real careful of Sarahs Smiler, dropping down suspicously after good form the past few months. There are a ton of 25k starters at Philly park why run here? Scratched out of the last one on the outer track and now going to one of the toughest racing surfaces to win on the infamous inner.:confused:

Dahoss9698
12-06-2007, 11:43 AM
how do you know we make any bets or not?do you think....if who bets picks not paying out for us.....we just come here and post thanks to him every day? i dont see any one talking about how good a handicapper you are.....i dont even see you posting any picks.............forget the challenge ...you are not worthy for a challege...first prove yourself then talk.................thats for now:lol: :lol:

Anyone that would make bets based on those "picks" is demented....seriously. You obviously have some sort of affiliation with his scam or whatever. Honestly, I don't need accolades on a message board for my handicapping ability, however good or bad it may be. I get my satisfaction by actaully betting on MY OWN OPINION. Which is why this game is great, you get rewarded on YOUR OWN OPINION. I don't need to prove myself to anyone. Again, my work is done with the money I bet, I do not seek other's approvals on a message board.

Tom
12-06-2007, 11:57 AM
Then why come here and put down this guy's picks when others seem to be happy to have them? WhoBet has been a fixture here for a long time.

Dahoss9698
12-06-2007, 12:25 PM
Then why come here and put down this guy's picks when others seem to be happy to have them? WhoBet has been a fixture here for a long time.

Well Tom, Mr. Board Police, I am certainly not the first to question him. Go back and take a look. People who have been fixtures here for a long time even put them down. Including the guy that pays the bills here. So you better give him a talking to.

prospector
12-06-2007, 12:27 PM
Anyone that would make bets based on those "picks" is demented....seriously. You obviously have some sort of affiliation with his scam or whatever. Honestly, I don't need accolades on a message board for my handicapping ability, however good or bad it may be. I get my satisfaction by actaully betting on MY OWN OPINION. Which is why this game is great, you get rewarded on YOUR OWN OPINION. I don't need to prove myself to anyone. Again, my work is done with the money I bet, I do not seek other's approvals on a message board.

demented?
strong words from someone who wouldn't take whobets challenge...
whobets "opinion" is here everyday...where is yours?
then again, who cares..

Dahoss9698
12-06-2007, 12:35 PM
demented?
strong words from someone who wouldn't take whobets challenge...
whobets "opinion" is here everyday...where is yours?
then again, who cares..

Challenge? I said sure. What is the challenge?

You obviously care, since you asked. I'm not playing today, so I haven't even taken a look at a form. Next time I play though I'll post my picks just for you....and Tom. I will however only post my picks on a track or two because I will actually handicap, unlike Whobet.

prospector
12-06-2007, 12:45 PM
Challenge? I said sure. What is the challenge?

You obviously care, since you asked. I'm not playing today, so I haven't even taken a look at a form. Next time I play though I'll post my picks just for you....and Tom. I will however only post my picks on a track or two because I will actually handicap, unlike Whobet.
good, that's more than fair

dimetime
12-06-2007, 02:05 PM
"I get my satisfaction by actaully betting on MY OWN OPINION. Which is why this game is great, you get rewarded on YOUR OWN OPINION. I don't need to prove myself to anyone."


Great, at what cost? You obviously don't make a profit or you would have said it instead of "Getting satisfaction" from your picks.

Step up and walk the talk then. He challanged ya!

I use WhoBets picks as a guide. He is the best capper I have seen on this board. No one else has the balls to post their picks that are trying to pick him apart.

Stay on it Whobet and thanks.

Dahoss9698
12-06-2007, 02:35 PM
"I get my satisfaction by actaully betting on MY OWN OPINION. Which is why this game is great, you get rewarded on YOUR OWN OPINION. I don't need to prove myself to anyone."


Great, at what cost? You obviously don't make a profit or you would have said it instead of "Getting satisfaction" from your picks.

Step up and walk the talk then. He challanged ya!

I use WhoBets picks as a guide. He is the best capper I have seen on this board. No one else has the balls to post their picks that are trying to pick him apart.

Stay on it Whobet and thanks.

I guess you told me. You must be right, I obviously don't make a profit, because I don't talk about that kind of stuff on a message board. What was I thinking? I guess in order to make a profit you have to talk about it with strangers. My bad.

Since you obviously are another minion of his and can't really read well, I said I'll post picks next time I look at a card. If Whobet has such balls and is posting his picks, wouldn't it actually be cool if he actually bet on his picks? I mean, why take so much time to cut and paste others picks, yet not believe in them enough to actually bet them? Maybe I am missing something....

Dahoss9698
12-06-2007, 02:39 PM
Step up and walk the talk then. He challanged ya!



And what is the challenge?

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Anyone that would make bets based on those "picks" is demented....seriously. You obviously have some sort of affiliation with his scam or whatever. Honestly, I don't need accolades on a message board for my handicapping ability, however good or bad it may be. I get my satisfaction by actaully betting on MY OWN OPINION. Which is why this game is great, you get rewarded on YOUR OWN OPINION. I don't need to prove myself to anyone. Again, my work is done with the money I bet, I do not seek other's approvals on a message board.
images/statusicon/user_offline.gif now we are doing some kind of scam.?whobet post his picks free..........:rolleyes:..i dont think i need to commend on this anymore........it seems like you lost bunch of money on your own picks............just jump in on who bets picks ......you might start winning........lol:lol:

whobet
12-06-2007, 09:54 PM
TO ALL THOSE WHO TAKE THE TIME TO POST!! on this thread. Bravo for your efforts and please, keep up the deligent work! You all have devotees to your postings who are only too grateful for your daily efforts. Is someone can win even .10 off of a bet- it is better than losing 2.00 to wager it.
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To handicap races by oneself is rewarding -time consuming and in the end- most likely to prove profitable.
To use DRF and study past performances- times-track bias, workout patterns ect- is what every true wager should do. Then, after the homework has been completed- a wander into Who Bet's postings for the day is the next step in true handicapping strategy. To see that the horse that looks like a heavy contender is also marked by Who Bet as a "goer" will just confirm all the work done on reading and disecting the program for that race.:jump:
I have seen only too many people who spout off "I am the best handicapper" and hell will freeze over before I give out my wager pick. Those people are shallow and plain selfish. They brag at the track how they are going to wager to get best exacter- then slink off to secretly keep their wager from those who just might win .10 on their horse selection. :confused:
Under what benefit does Who Bet achieve for posting everyday??? Does he get renumeration for his efforts? NO! Does he get FAME?? NO!
What he does get however- is this: he simply gives those who are new to the game - a bit of an advantage.
In these days of flagging statistics on the popularity of racing vs- instant slots- tickets ect. To have someone there to simply encourage a new timer to even try a bet. Is man who should be applauded for his sheer desire to post. :jump:
Those how mock Who Bet's software and interest to post everyday. Shame on you!:bang:

I for one- who is around race horses- cleans- feeds and cares for them. Will always look favourably on a man like Who Bet- because he simply cared and loved the passion of a race horse's potential.



Let the equine energy explode after the gate has opened and ride with the wind!
SBW

Wow, awesome Post, Thanks,

But that is very hard,

People come and go,
it seems not many stay for long,

The Horse Racing Est drives them away, moan.

my goal on PACE is to get 1000 viewers a day

Dahoss9698
12-06-2007, 10:16 PM
now we are doing some kind of scam.?whobet post his picks free..........:rolleyes:..i dont think i need to commend on this anymore........it seems like you lost bunch of money on your own picks............just jump in on who bets picks ......you might start winning........lol:lol:

No, please "commend" more because you seem to have this whole thing figured out. Thanks. I'm a Whobet guy from now on, even though it is HE who is afraid of the challenge. Thanks Whobet for the picks, I mean guide.

Dahoss9698
12-06-2007, 10:17 PM
my goal on PACE is to get 1000 viewers a day

Just keep viewing the pages a couple hundred times a day and you'll be well on your way.

whobet
12-06-2007, 10:23 PM
If anyone wants to challenge Whobet.

I post my picks on usually everyday at:

http://***************.com/horseboards/yabb/YaBB.pl

There is a nice gentleman DON, that scores the picks.

The current Tracks are, AQU,HOL,TP

Come join the fun and try to take on Whobet,
I try to post over there everyday.

Lets see who-LOL is the best handicapper.

Dahoss9698
12-06-2007, 10:25 PM
If anyone wants to challenge Whobet.

I post my picks on usually everyday at:

http://***************.com/horseboards/yabb/YaBB.pl

There is a nice gentleman DON, that socres the picks.

The current Tracks are, AQU,HOL,TP

Come join the fun and try to take on Whobet,
I try to post over there everyday.

Lets see who-LOL is the best handicapper.

How is it scored?

whobet
12-06-2007, 10:28 PM
Go over there and Check it out,

Cliff Smith has joined us.

Good luck to you Da Hoss

Dahoss9698
12-06-2007, 10:31 PM
Go over there and Check it out,

Cliff Smith has joined us.

Good luck to you Da Hoss

No thanks. I'd prefer to do it here and since you won't I'll just leave this whole thing alone. I realize now what you are doing and it's not surprising. But I have to say, hearing that Cliff Smith has joined almost made me go over there...almost. I wish you continued success in summarizing others hard work.

whobet
12-06-2007, 10:35 PM
No thanks. I'd prefer to do it here and since you won't I'll just leave this whole thing alone. I realize now what you are doing and it's not surprising. But I have to say, hearing that Cliff Smith has joined almost made me go over there...almost. I wish you continued success in summarizing others hard work.

LOSER

Dahoss9698
12-06-2007, 10:36 PM
Loser

Because I don't want to go to your board that you advertise here? Yeah you got me. Some might say a person that summarizes other's hard work, says he stands behind it, yet doesn't believe in it enough to actually bet more than 1 horse a day....to show, which we all know is a "winner's" bet is a loser. But hey, like I said, I wish you continued success in your summarizing.:D :D

whobet
12-06-2007, 10:44 PM
Actually I handicap for myself. I actually like handicapping. It seems as though maybe handicapping, actually handicapping might be losing it's luster nowadays with all of the technology.

But I have to say, I highly doubt anyone of Whobet's fans actually place a bet...ever. But hopefully you do...it's good to have dumb money in pools.

You started this DaHoss

Good luck to you in your handicapping,
I hope you change your mind and come over and take on Whobet's challenge,

Whobet will still continue to POST his picks everyday !!

Just for his fans,

Let's get profitable.

Dahoss9698
12-06-2007, 10:54 PM
Let's get profitable.

:lol: :lol: :D :D

whobet
12-06-2007, 11:01 PM
LOSER

Dahoss9698
12-06-2007, 11:03 PM
LOSER

:lol:

onefast99
12-07-2007, 09:57 AM
The sales have not been affected, in fact Keeneland had one of their most profitable sales ever. Look at what is being bought today, mares that have won few races going for huge amounts. Stud fees are dropping on those stallions that are not producing top babies. Yes tracks that are not able to withstand the decline in on track attendance will not survive unless they continue to cater to the simulcasting bettor by offering perks as casinos do to their regular patrons who bet decent monies. "Teenagers are flocking to the casinos" the majority of monies bet at a casino come from the gamblers with a median age of 31.78, 13 years removed from a teenager. The average age of hard-core gamblers was over 50. I agree with your assessment of the rush one feels when they see their horse cross the finish line first as that part of this game cannot be matched by any similar feeling at a casino. Good comments.

csmith
12-07-2007, 10:12 AM
hearing that Cliff Smith has joined almost made me go over there...almost.

May I ask what this was to insinuate ??

Dahoss9698
12-07-2007, 10:28 AM
May I ask what this was to insinuate ??

It was a joke. Your buddy's attempt to lure me to that site was to say you had joined. I have no idea who you are, so I was making a joke.

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No, please "commend" more because you seem to have this whole thing figured out. Thanks. I'm a Whobet guy from now on, even though it is HE who is afraid of the challenge. Thanks Whobet for the picks, I mean guide.
no i dont have nothing figured out.......nor....i never claimed to be a great handicapper....i have been betting horses for many years without much sucess........who bets picks helps me a lot......with his picks i am able to stay in the game.and sometimes a winner too......:jump:people buy tipsheets and stuff from tracks..........i can guarantee you......whobets picks are 1000 times better.....as for handicapping.....it doesnt matter..how he does it......he produce winners........when i go to track.........if i take 100$.......if i can go home with 101$...i am happy......:):):)

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No, please "commend" more because you seem to have this whole thing figured out. Thanks. I'm a Whobet guy from now on, even though it is HE who is afraid of the challenge. Thanks Whobet for the picks, I mean guide.
no i dont have nothing figured out.......nor....i never claimed to be a great handicapper....i have been betting horses for many years without much sucess........who bets picks helps me a lot......with his picks i am able to stay in the game.and sometimes a winner too......:jump:people buy tipsheets and stuff from tracks..........i can guarantee you......whobets picks are 1000 times better.....as for handicapping.....it doesnt matter..how he does it......he produce winners........when i go to track.........if i take 100$.......if i can go home with 101$...i am happy......:):):)

Sounds like Whobet should be calling you the loser, not me.

Dahoss9698
12-07-2007, 06:57 PM
Like I said: I am stable help-a groom for better words. I see all that you do not- and it boils down to the sheer fact that EVERY horse is undependable/unpredictable.
They flip with their moods/hormones ect much like the weather changes- With a lot of luck - we can call a winner-
But, at the same time- take into consideration what that horse has vibed over the past week. Has he had an owner who has thown negative vibes toward him/her just because they have not produced and hay prices (Canada) are going out of control. Has this horse seen a trainer who has been under the gun. Is this horse been ridden by a jockey who has other issues to deal with in their life.
In a perfect world- horses which the forms details to be winners will win. But, the sad fact is that - they do not!
Hence. for the newcomer that does not even understand what a "track bias" even is.
Who Bets SUGGESTIONS are well warranted.

Listen. you have issues with Who Bet?? then do not venture to his board. Go troll your venom elsewhere. But, leave this man and others who take the time to post- alone.


Seriously man- go have a massage- me thinks you need one Bad!

Do me a favor, mind your own business. You have 9 posts here and 7 are to defend Whobet? Smells like an agenda to me. This started innocent enough and has snowballed into something much more than it needs to be. Frankly I could have done without the handicapping lesson from you though. Again, no one is talking to you and this is over. let it be over and you and your crew go try and recruit people to your board elsewhere.

Monty Capuletti
12-07-2007, 09:24 PM
Seems simple enough.

Whobet chalalnged Hoss to a handicapping contest. Hoss accepted.

Pick an agreeable day(s) and track(s) and get it done right her on this thread. No?

whobet
12-07-2007, 10:06 PM
Seems simple enough.

Whobet chalalnged Hoss to a handicapping contest. Hoss accepted.

Pick an agreeable day(s) and track(s) and get it done right her on this thread. No?
Whobet postedpicks for AQU today

Where is DaHoss

http://***************.com/horseboards/yabb/YaBB.pl?num=1197063675/2#2

jma
12-07-2007, 10:47 PM
Seems simple enough.

Whobet chalalnged Hoss to a handicapping contest. Hoss accepted.

Pick an agreeable day(s) and track(s) and get it done right her on this thread. No?

And Hoss actually said something about the loser leaving this site. Please, please stick with that stipulation. That's a win-win (win, for you Office fans) situation for us all.

lxdoomxl
12-08-2007, 12:42 AM
Dahoss9698..is just trying to get attention ......he is a nobody...no reputation....no picks,...........first of all try to appreciate the people who do good deeds.without expecting nothing from you...............you are a sure looser.............this is my last post for you.....getlost:D

PaceAdvantage
12-08-2007, 03:45 AM
Just when I thought this couldn't get any more out of hand....:rolleyes: