Santa Anita main track will be dug up

[so.cal.fan]

and redone. It won't drain, so it is unacceptable. They will be blasting it with
power blasters to get all the wax/sand/etc up.
They will start right away, say it will take a week......I'm thinking it may be a few days longer.
In the meantime, all the horses over there will have to go work at Hollywood Park or the training track. :rolleyes: not a good thing.

[Dan Montilion]

Perhaps they should hydrate the workers with Frank (I'm the pied piper) Stronach's power drink. Hell they will be done in two days. And oh yea the drainage has to run downhill, then has to be in the parlance of the pluming trade "daylighted" or caught and pumped.

[Tom]

Dan - you have it!
Use the Frank drink instead of water in the trucks - energized rubber track!
Woo Hoo! :lol:

[BillW]

Is Frankaide being tested for in the detention barns? :eek:

[Gibbon]

Because of drainage concerns, Santa Anita has contacted numerous track surface and soil preparation specialists, who have conducted a number of maintenance programs on the main track and water tests in the seven-furlong chute. The specialists agreed that further tests should be conducted on the Cushion Track and its drainage foundation. --> thoroughbredtimes (http://www.thoroughbredtimes.com/national-news/2007/November/28/Santa-Anita-to-close-main-track-to-address-drainage-concerns.aspx) And SA will likely have a record opening day.



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[JustRalph]

Is Frankaide being tested for in the detention barns? :eek:

Somebody check Pletcher's barn

[Southieboy]

and meet

[JustRalph]

I wonder who is paying for this? What does the scorching times at Oak Tree have to do with this?

[PaceAdvantage]

Good going California. Way to jump into the deep waters without a life preserver....I think EVERY track in the country should RIGHT NOW switch to an artificial surface....and PLEASE, don't ask any QUESTIONS or wait prudently to see what develops at a few test tracks for a few years...that would be FOOLISH! CONVERT NOW!

Michael Dickinson is GOD!

[cj]

Whatever happened to the "low" maintenance? This doesn't seem to to fit the bill.

I forgot, we aren't allowed to question the stuff because it allegedly saves a few horses, my bad.

[kenwoodallpromos]

"FINISH LINES : Track superintendent Steve Wood reports one-third of an inch of rain hit Santa Anita overnight. “The track was sealed about 6 o’clock last night and we got a quarter of an inch yesterday,” Wood said. “The track should bounce back pretty good.”
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Maybe I'm just too new to racing to understand why some people prefer horses to run on a "natural" surface like wet sand.
The report does not say how much water needed to be added to the track in order to seal it.

[john del riccio]

When 10,000 3yo's go 6 1/2f in 114.3 something just ain't right.

JOhn

[David-LV]

There are two ways that racing can be saved in California.

1 - Rip out these garbage synthetic tracks that have not lived up to their billing by the flim flam salesmen that sold these track a bill of goods and put back the dirt that horses were bred to run on.

2 - Run all races on the turf courses.

California next advertising campaign slogan should read:

COME WATCH THOROUGHBRED RACING AT IT'S WORST. :ThmbDown:

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David

[David-LV]

Good going California. Way to jump into the deep waters without a life preserver....I think EVERY track in the country should RIGHT NOW switch to an artificial surface....and PLEASE, don't ask any QUESTIONS or wait prudently to see what develops at a few test tracks for a few years...that would be FOOLISH! CONVERT NOW!

Michael Dickinson is GOD!


Excellent post.

I wonder if the California Horse Racing Board would be interested in buying the Brooklyn Bridge.

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David

[njcurveball]

2 - Run all races on the turf courses.



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David

You have my vote as Racing Czar here David! :ThmbUp:

[point given]

Excellent post.

I wonder if the California Horse Racing Board would be interested in buying the Brooklyn Bridge.

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David

Hey - I'd be interested in leasing it to them, I just bought it last year. :jump: They tell me i Gotta great deal. :blush:

[Greyfox]

The SA times were suspiciously fast for synthetic stuff with the track averaging 1/5 th of a second faster to the second call than on the old dirt track.
So now they'll dig it up.
It'll be slower for sure. Del Mar's was ridiculously slow bordering on harness race fractions.
Me? I'll be taking out the "mask franchise" for jockeys.
I noticed at Turfway yesterday more and more riders are wearing them because they don't want that crap in their lungs. Emma Wilson started that trend at Toronto as well.

[David-LV]

Just watched the 1st race from Hollywood, today Friday.

I 'm glad to see how the new synthetic garbage that the horses are racing on has increased the field size to a big 4 horses.

Keep up the good work California. :rolleyes:

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David

[kenwoodallpromos]

Just watched the 1st race from Hollywood, today Friday.

I 'm glad to see how the new synthetic garbage that the horses are racing on has increased the field size to a big 4 horses.

Keep up the good work California. :rolleyes:

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David
2 races today have 11 entered, 1 has 13 entered; most of the rest have 7. So I assume your point is you can find 1 race out of 8 to prove rubber track is no good? Or you just hate Ca racing? Or just going to shit on rubber track any way you can?

[David-LV]

2 races today have 11 entered, 1 has 13 entered; most of the rest have 7. So I assume your point is you can find 1 race out of 8 to prove rubber track is no good? Or you just hate Ca racing? Or just going to shit on rubber track any way you can?


As I have said many times before synthetic surfaces have ruined racing.

The next issue that will be coming up will be health problems from breathing in these synthetic particles.

I don't hate California racing. I just hate what they have done to the sport by mandating these synthetic surfaces without any regards for the tradition and beauty of the sport.

As far as I can see California Racing is now on life support.

I also don't appreciate the foul language in your post.

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David

[David-LV]

2 races today have 11 entered, 1 has 13 entered; most of the rest have 7. So I assume your point is you can find 1 race out of 8 to prove rubber track is no good? Or you just hate Ca racing? Or just going to shit on rubber track any way you can?

BTW: Have we all forgotting this years worst race meet in history that took place over the poly garbage at Del Mar.

Mandating these synthetic surfaces without a clue has been a disaster to California racing.

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David

[jma]

BTW: Have we all forgotting this years worst race meet in history that took place over the poly garbage at Del Mar.

Mandating these synthetic surfaces without a clue has been a disaster to California racing.

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David

To be fair, other than on big race days, California racing was already a disaster before the synthetic surfaces. They haven't helped, but they already had ridiculously short fields and unbettable races---it's not like you could make it much worse than it was. Except Del Mar, I'll give you that, but they had a lot of bad PR from the many horrific breakdowns there. So, it was a mess before and it's a mess now.

[Bruddah]

Good going California. Way to jump into the deep waters without a life preserver....I think EVERY track in the country should RIGHT NOW switch to an artificial surface....and PLEASE, don't ask any QUESTIONS or wait prudently to see what develops at a few test tracks for a few years...that would be FOOLISH! CONVERT NOW!

Michael Dickinson is GOD!

Many months ago, long before these tracks were installed, I asked 'why the big rush before any testing had been done'. I also stated that this would be a huge debacle, just as artificial turf in football. I did say it would take approx. 10 years before the swing back to natural surfaces. It may not take that long now.

Artificial turfs big selling points were:

1. "blowback" of particles would be safer for horses and jockeys. (Truth) I think this was a big lie Loosey. (using my best Ricky Ricardo voice)

2. Better drainage. (Truth) Loosey, we caught you telling another one.

3. Less maintenace, thus less cost. (truth) Loosey, you been lieing like a red headed step-child.

I forsee a huge rush to artificial surfaces for all three Triple Crown tracks. They rushed to do it in next years Breeders Cup, so, why not the Triple Crown. Supposedly, it's best for the thoroughbred breed and best for racing.

Personally, all of it is a BIG CROCK OF SH_T! :ThmbDown:

[kingfin66]

Good going California. Way to jump into the deep waters without a life preserver....I think EVERY track in the country should RIGHT NOW switch to an artificial surface....and PLEASE, don't ask any QUESTIONS or wait prudently to see what develops at a few test tracks for a few years...that would be FOOLISH! CONVERT NOW!

Michael Dickinson is GOD!

No, Clapton is God.

[bigmack]

As I have said many times before synthetic surfaces have ruined racing.
The next issue that will be coming up will be health problems from breathing in these synthetic particles.
Put those two sentences in your signature. It'll save you from having to post the same thing again & again.

Can I assume you believe the sky is falling as well?
http://entimg.msn.com/i/300/mov/ChickenLittle_300x298.jpg

[David-LV]

Put those two sentences in your signature. It'll save you from having to post the same thing again & again.

Can I assume you believe the sky is falling as well?
http://entimg.msn.com/i/300/mov/ChickenLittle_300x298.jpg
The sky is not falling, it has already fell when it comes to California racing. :bang: :bang:

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David

[kenwoodallpromos]

As I have said many times before synthetic surfaces have ruined racing.

The next issue that will be coming up will be health problems from breathing in these synthetic particles.

I don't hate California racing. I just hate what they have done to the sport by mandating these synthetic surfaces without any regards for the tradition and beauty of the sport.

As far as I can see California Racing is now on life support.

I also don't appreciate the foul language in your post.

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David
I apologize for the language, but not for the post position #s, win payoff, or 6f time of this trifecta today:
"4th Race - Hollywood Park - Friday, November 30th, 2007
Conditions: Claiming, $10,000, Open 3 yo's & up, 6 1/2F, Dirt.
Off Time: 2:06 Start: ****12*** went. Good for all. Won driving. Track: Fast Weather: Showery 55o
Pedigree: 12 - Common Trust, Dark Bay or Brown Gelding, 5, by Bertrando - Common Hope by Storm Cat
Fractions: :213, :443, ****1:09****, 1:152 (:21.75, :44.66, 1:09.17, 1:15.42)


# Horse Jockey Weight Win Place Show
****12**** Common Trust Gomez Garrett K. 122 ****5.40**** 3.40 2.60
****10**** Hemet Thought Rosario Joel 124 4.80 4.00
****13**** My Friend Luis Blanc Brice 122 9.40

[bigmack]

it has already fell when it comes to California racing.
You have a tendancy to give your opinion way too much weight. In the grand scheme of things, it just doesn't matter.

[David-LV]

You have a tendancy to give your opinion way too much weight. In the grand scheme of things, it just doesn't matter.


In the grand scheme of things does anybodies including your opinion really matter.

I just state my opinion just like anybody else on these boards trying not to get to personal with the other posters.

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David

[bigmack]

trying not to get to personal with the other posters.

Oh, I hadn't realized.

To VJ Stauffer:
Do you ever have anything nice to say about anybody or anything.
Try to respect other peoples opinions also and stop being so sarcastic.

[njcurveball]

I believe the problem was that Wax track was sold to the racing fans as a "magic pill" to attract larger fields.

Do you look at the glass as half full?

race 4 $8,000 claimer 12 runners
race 6 allowance (SN1X) 11 runners
race 8 maiden clamining $32,000 11 runners


or Half empty?

race 1 allowance/optional claiming 4 runners
race 3 starter allowance 7 runners (1 breakdown)
race 7 allowance (SN1X) 3 runners

[David-LV]

Quote:
Originally Posted by David-LV
To VJ Stauffer:
Do you ever have anything nice to say about anybody or anything.
Try to respect other peoples opinions also and stop being so sarcastic.


bigmack
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In the case you stated above, that post was well deserved at the time.

You have taken that post out of context by not reading and understanding the previous posts that led up to the one above.

I thought we were just trying to have a little fun and create a little back and forth chatter on this board.

You are really taking this way to serious. Please chill out just a little bit, I think we all want the same good things for this industry. :) :)

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David

[so.cal.fan]

:confused: Well, guys, it's been raining very heavy most of the day here around Arcadia California, home of Santa Anita's flawed cushion track.
This was what they feared. When they put down that asphalt last August in 110' heat......then put sand and the "cushion/wax junk" on it.....the wax melted the sand and junk into the asphalt, preventing it to drain off water properly.....it was suppose to have been pourous, but ended up a paved highway.
I intend to go down to Santa Anita tomorrow morning, 3 miles south of here, and look for myself. I expect to see big pools of water, but we shall see.
They had intended to use big power blasters Monday, track will be closed for at least a week. The blasters were suppose to take all the wax/junk up and they would re-do the whole thing.
Unbelievable! :faint: :rolleyes:
I will report back here tomorrow on the condition of that "track"
We have already decided that we would play only the turf course.
No one can accurately predict now, just what that track will or will not be.

[Kelso]

The blasters were suppose to take all the wax/junk up and they would re-do the whole thing.


Has there been anything public about whether this is being done on the track's dime or under warrantee from the manufacturer? For such large investments, I hope the CA tracks insisted on performance bonds from the sellers.

[rutalkingtome55]

There are two ways that racing can be saved in California.

1 - Rip out these garbage synthetic tracks that have not lived up to their billing by the flim flam salesmen that sold these track a bill of goods and put back the dirt that horses were bred to run on.

2 - Run all races on the turf courses.

California next advertising campaign slogan should read:

COME WATCH THOROUGHBRED RACING AT IT'S WORST. :ThmbDown:

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David

I am sure that they are going to jump right on your suggestion.
:jump:

[rutalkingtome55]

Just watched the 1st race from Hollywood, today Friday.

I 'm glad to see how the new synthetic garbage that the horses are racing on has increased the field size to a big 4 horses.

Keep up the good work California. :rolleyes:

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David

Pollywood was on STORM WATCH. Theres always the crap table, David

:bang:

[so.cal.fan]

Kelso....good question. We have been asking that.
Do you smell a lawsuit here?

[Tom]

I will report back here tomorrow on the condition of that "track"
We have already decided that we would play only the turf course.
No one can accurately predict now, just what that track will or will not be.

Our very own John Cameron Swayze! ;)

[so.cal.fan]

Just went over to Santa Anita, they had a half an inch of rain, main "cushion" was closed except for far outside rail gallopers.
Stretch looked okay, but understand there were problem spots on backside.
They may open tomorrow, Sunday....then close down for at least a week and re-do the entire main track. They have taken all that "toxic" cushion out of the paddock area, or most of it is already done......people were complaining that it got on their shoes and they couldn't get it off. I immediately noticed the toxic smell was gone from the paddock. It was really bad, you sit out there all day and get a headache.
Needless to say, everyone I know wishes they had never done this.
A lot of horses stabled at Santa Anita have shipped over to Hollywood so they can train.
Anyway, all we can do is hope they can get that track at least tolerable.

[Dan Montilion]

Santa Anita has taken down their workout cam. I was curious and went to it late friday night and although one could not make out the condition of the track the web cam was up and ruinning. Mid morning west coast time and they have taken it down.

[so.cal.fan]

http://www.santaanita.com/news/pr.php?f=santaanitatoclosemaintrackforrepair

[BIG RED]

Try something new....

DIRT!

[Tom]

No tapeta, Red?


;)