Another snip from last night's debate

[ljb]

This has to do with McCain bringing up Hitler when talking about Ron Pauls opinion on Iraq.


John McCain tries to take a cheap shot at Ron Paul about supporting US troops but it turns out Paul gets more donations from active duty military men and women than any of his Republican competitors. Interesting about where the military are sending their money, don't you think ?

[kenwoodallpromos]

IMO most interesting in both party's debates is who gets airtime and where the candidates get to stand, since I believe the whole thing is rigged.
The voters go along with being brainwashed into believing Nader, Dean, Kucinich, and Paul are nuts because the ones I call the Socio-econimic elite want war mongers to win.
Kerry said he wanted us out of Iraq by 2009 (4 0r 5 years); Hillary ios dragging her feet; Obama wants to invade Pakistan' Romney want to torture.
I have things I do not like about all of them, but it should be debated and not ignored.
Paul is talking about the Mexico-Canada highway, CRF, and Trilateral Commission, real stuff; but big shots in the media, military, politics, business are in on the deals. This debate was sabatoged by CNN and the Demos anyway.
Saudi Arabia had a chance to let Bin Laden go into Iraq to fight Hussein but they and we turned him down.
Personally I'm tired of us sending ground troop in everywhere. the French in the Revolution supported us with ships and bombardment against the Brits but did not send in troops- that is a good example to follow. We can help but not do the fighting for them.
That is why I hated it when we sent Iraqi troops home instead of forcing them to fight against Hussein early in Desert Storm Part 2. That is also when after we decided to send troop we should have cut off foreign aid to countries that did not help train the good Iraqis.

[JustRalph]

This has to do with McCain bringing up Hitler when talking about Ron Pauls opinion on Iraq.
Interesting about where the military are sending their money, don't you think ?

How the hell do they know where the military guys are sending their money?

[Tom]

And he brought up Hilter in the sense of an historical refernce, as in stopping Hitler in the 1930's - NOT the sense the libs bring him up.

Stop quoting that guy - you are defeating my IGGY!:lol:

[hcap]

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/story?id=3601542

Obama, Paul net most military workers' campaign donations

"Both top a new list of presidential candidates receiving campaign contributions from people who work for the four branches of the military and National Guard, according to a study released Thursday by the non-partisan Center for Responsive Politics.

....The analysis also found that military personnel have shifted their donations. In 2002, the center said Democrats received 23% of contributions from military workers; Republicans got 77%. This year, 40% of their donations have gone to Democrats running for Congress and president. The GOP got 59%.

The donation patterns "would suggest that those who wear the uniform want change," said Joe Davis, spokesman for the Veterans of Foreign Wars.

[hcap]

Tom And he brought up Hilter in the sense of an historical refernce, as in stopping Hitler in the 1930's - NOT the sense the libs bring him up.
Historical? :lol: :lol: :bang: :bang:

Ad Hitleritum-A logical fallacy used extensively to scare the shit out of gullible orangutans, and rush us to war.

Used originally as a Republican talking point in the last 2 dozen republican foreign excursions. Particulary effective against sheeple who tend to "ignore" any contrary opinions.

[ljb]

How the hell do they know where the military guys are sending their money?
Secret Police ? :lol: :lol: :lol:

[Tom]

How the hell do they know where the military guys are sending their money?

They don't. This the typical lib MO - make a false premise and build on it.

[ljb]

They don't. This the typical lib MO - make a false premise and build on it.
See what happens when you iggy someone. Now you are taking Repugs statements and attributing them to progressives. You really gotta open your eyes Tom. :bang:

[rastajenk]

From the article:

"Overall, these donations are miniscule: Obama got 44 contributions worth about $27,000 and Paul 23 for about $19,300. Republican John McCain, an Iraq war supporter and Vietnam prisoner of war, was third with about $18,500 from 32 donors."

And:

"Altschuler cautioned against reading too much into the early contributions, particularly in such small amounts. "These figures could look very different in a few months."

[lsbets]

From the article:

"Overall, these donations are miniscule: Obama got 44 contributions worth about $27,000 and Paul 23 for about $19,300. Republican John McCain, an Iraq war supporter and Vietnam prisoner of war, was third with about $18,500 from 32 donors."

And:

"Altschuler cautioned against reading too much into the early contributions, particularly in such small amounts. "These figures could look very different in a few months."

That makes sense to me. My first thought was "Who the hell wastes their money by donating it to some rich guys campaign?" I never have, and I never heard anyone say they did, so the amounts being tiny make perfect sense.

[hcap]

NAME: TOTAL [ARMY] [NAVY] [AIRFORCE] [VETERAN] [USMC**]

RON PAUL: 24,965 [6,975] [6,765] [4,650] [5,075] [1,500]
McCain: 17,475 [6925] [6305] [1795] [800] [1600]
Romney: 3,551 [2,051] [0] [1500] [0]
Giuliani: 2,320 [1,450] [370] [250] [250]
Hunter: 1000 [0] [1000] [0]
Huckabee: 750 [250] [0] [500]
Tancredo: 350 [350] [0] [0]
Brownback: 71 [71] [0] [0]
Thompson: 0 [0] [0] [0]

Military contributions for Q2

http://thespinfactor.com/thetruth/2007/07/17/ron-paul-leads-all-08-candidates-with-one-third-of-military-contributions-for-q2/

Ron Paul 26.23%
Barack Obama 24.02%
John McCain 18.31%
Hillary Clinton 11.08%
Bill Richardson 5.59%Dollar Planes
Mitt Romney 4.05%
John Edwards 2.63%
Rudy Giuliani 2.44%
Mike Huckabee 1.84%
Tom Tancredo 1.63%
Duncan Hunter 1.05%
Joe Biden 0.84%
Mike Gravel 0.16%
Sam Brownback 0.07%
Dennis Kucinich 0.05%
Tommy Thompson 0%
Chris Dodd 0%
Jim Gilmore 0%

It would seem among the republicans, there are only 2 that are garnering any support. Whether the numbers are small is not the point.
Consider it a poll with a representative showing.

And the fact that a antiwar candidate is leading McCain, a pro war candidate, shows a general "bloom is of the rose" in regards to military and the war.

[kenwoodallpromos]

NAME: TOTAL [ARMY] [NAVY] [AIRFORCE] [VETERAN] [USMC**]

RON PAUL: 24,965 [6,975] [6,765] [4,650] [5,075] [1,500]
McCain: 17,475 [6925] [6305] [1795] [800] [1600]
Romney: 3,551 [2,051] [0] [1500] [0]
Giuliani: 2,320 [1,450] [370] [250] [250]
Hunter: 1000 [0] [1000] [0]
Huckabee: 750 [250] [0] [500]
Tancredo: 350 [350] [0] [0]
Brownback: 71 [71] [0] [0]
Thompson: 0 [0] [0] [0]

Military contributions for Q2

http://thespinfactor.com/thetruth/2007/07/17/ron-paul-leads-all-08-candidates-with-one-third-of-military-contributions-for-q2/

Ron Paul 26.23%
Barack Obama 24.02%
John McCain 18.31%
Hillary Clinton 11.08%
Bill Richardson 5.59%Dollar Planes
Mitt Romney 4.05%
John Edwards 2.63%
Rudy Giuliani 2.44%
Mike Huckabee 1.84%
Tom Tancredo 1.63%
Duncan Hunter 1.05%
Joe Biden 0.84%
Mike Gravel 0.16%
Sam Brownback 0.07%
Dennis Kucinich 0.05%
Tommy Thompson 0%
Chris Dodd 0%
Jim Gilmore 0%

It would seem among the republicans, there are only 2 that are garnering any support. Whether the numbers are small is not the point.
Consider it a poll with a representative showing.

And the fact that a antiwar candidate is leading McCain, a pro war candidate, shows a general "bloom is of the rose" in regards to military and the war.
Paul's claim was for active in Iraq.

[Tom]

How the hell does anyone who is contributing to whom?
Sounds bogus to me

[OTM Al]

#s are from the Federal Election Commission. Guess as military personnel they may have to claim any contributions or some such law.

[Tom]

Unless the spouse at home makes it.

[skate]

They don't. This the typical lib MO - make a false premise and build on it.

well, Tom, not very funny, but sure hits the Nail, Bong, Bong, Bong.

we see it here and we see the same on the TV. they just keep stretching 'false premise'.

thanks for that point.

[skate]

this report was dated July 07, as noted.


it was also for the % of DONATIONS.

Not for the % of DONATORS.


McCain leads 55%/23%.


very few donations by July 07.


s-t-r-eeeee-t-ch.

[hcap]

McCain leads 55%/23%.What? who gets the 23?

Where did this stat come from? Not from here.....

Military contributions for Q2

Ron Paul 26.23%
Barack Obama 24.02%
John McCain 18.31%
Hillary Clinton 11.08%
Bill Richardson 5.59%Dollar Planes
Mitt Romney 4.05%
John Edwards 2.63%
Rudy Giuliani 2.44%
Mike Huckabee 1.84%
Tom Tancredo 1.63%
Duncan Hunter 1.05%
Joe Biden 0.84%
Mike Gravel 0.16%
Sam Brownback 0.07%
Dennis Kucinich 0.05%

[hcap]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Tom
They don't. This the typical lib MO - make a false premise and build on it.
well, Tom, not very funny, but sure hits the Nail, Bong, Bong, Bong.
we see it here and we see the same on the TV. they just keep stretching 'false premise'.
thanks for that point.
One corroded brain cell washes the other. Eh? :jump:

[skate]

and from the wash basin you get,




Comment by BoruJudasDedrich | July 18th, 2007

That’s great, but it is only the % of donations…not the % of donators. By % of donators (voters), John McCain would beat Paul 55-23.

Again, this is a good stat for Ron Paul, but not a super-fantastic stat. The media has been saying that RP is not in touch with the war, but a substantial number of soldiers are donating to RP; in fact, they are out-donating soldiers for other candidates.


badda Bing, Bing Bingo.

thats from the site you posted. :rolleyes:

[hcap]

The way things work is you link to your article.


Wash basin and BoruJudasDedrich is babble.
Support your case or don't post stats you can't confirm.

"That’s great, but it is only the % of donations…not the % of donators. By % of donators (voters), John McCain would beat Paul 55-23."
English and link, or stop.
My skate migraine is returning

[skate]

yes, the Migraine is still searching for the place.


oh oh oh hoh ohm, not reliable:lol:


heh he heh, not MY SITE:)

[hcap]

Give a man a fish and you feed him for a day. Teach a man to fish and you feed him for a lifetime.-Chinese Proverb

Well Mr Financial Genius, I tried to teach you to fish-research your claims.
I tried to teach you to post in English and not babble
I tried to teach you to fish with reason, but alas you ate the worm.

Sayonara

[ljb]

Gentlemen,
I think it is time we put our differences aside. I think we should all join together and create a scholarship fund for skate. We have to get him enrolled in and an English language course. I'll forgo my monthly contribution to Ron Paul and give to the Skate education fund. How about it guys ? :rolleyes:

[riskman]

They don't. This the typical lib MO - make a false premise and build on it.

Sounds like the reasons for the Iraq War. The Rep. are great at cherry picking.