Premier Turf Club Introduces Bet Builder

[Premier Turf Club]

In our never-ending quest to provide the ultimate in on-line wagering technology, PTC is pleased to introduce its new wagering interface dubbed "Bet Builder."

Bet Builder not only provides for faster wager construction than either of the two current interfaces but functions as a single page gateway to the most robust features on our site including odds dutching, conditional wagering and the file upload feature. This interface will open as a large pop-up, but can be resized as a full-page, and will work on all browsers and all platforms. After using it for two weeks I found I never needed to go anywhere else on our site. This interface will also serve as the access point to any new products and features we plan to introduce in the coming months including past performance data, video and handicapping software.

I've included a screen shot from our test server. It will be in place on the live server tomorrow and on our demo site later on this week for those that want a test-drive.

As always, comments and questions are appreciated.

Ian

[TEJAS KIDD]

Ian,

Looks great.
But there is no $7 wager. I am very superstitious and I like to bet in $7 increments. Is there anyway you can put a $7 button?



Just kidding. Keep up the good work.

[Premier Turf Club]

Ian,

Looks great.
But there is no $7 wager. I am very superstitious and I like to bet in $7 increments. Is there anyway you can put a $7 button?



Just kidding. Keep up the good work.

Thanks. You can always use the other amount (to punch out $7 bets). As one of our first customers we would be happy to create a $7 wager just for you if you like. :)

[spilparc]

Thanks. You can always use the other amount (to punch out $7 bets). As one of our first customers we would be happy to create a $7 wager just for you if you like. :)

It's probably right in front of my face, but can you bet $26 to in on the 4 and $24 to win on the 5 all at once? Can you do it with three horses?

[Premier Turf Club]

I don't follow. I've never seen a way where you can make the following bets at the same time:

$24 Win #5
$26 Win #4
$18 Win #7

You can send these 3 bets into the queue and submit (probably takes under 30 seconds to construct them) or you can dutch those 3 horses using our built-in dutching software but I'm stumped how you would do exactly what you asked with any interface.

If I misunderstanding what you're asking, I apologize. It wouldn't be the first time.

[spilparc]

I don't follow. I've never seen a way where you can make the following bets at the same time:

$24 Win #5
$26 Win #4
$18 Win #7

You can send these 3 bets into the queue and submit (probably takes under 30 seconds to construct them) or you can dutch those 3 horses using our built-in dutching software but I'm stumped how you would do exactly what you asked with any interface.

If I misunderstanding what you're asking, I apologize. It wouldn't be the first time.

You didn't misunderstand. Let's say I'm a $50 win better and I want to bet two horses to win. I want to divide my bet $20 on horse A and $30 on horse B. Or, $35 on horse A and $15 on horse B, etc.

I don't know of any site that will allow you to do that, and I was just asking if it could be done on yours. That's all.

Thanks

[csmith]

In our never-ending quest to provide the ultimate in on-line wagering technology, PTC is pleased to introduce its new wagering interface dubbed "Bet Builder."

Bet Builder not only provides for faster wager construction than either of the two current interfaces but functions as a single page gateway to the most robust features on our site including odds dutching, conditional wagering and the file upload feature. This interface will open as a large pop-up, but can be resized as a full-page, and will work on all browsers and all platforms. After using it for two weeks I found I never needed to go anywhere else on our site. This interface will also serve as the access point to any new products and features we plan to introduce in the coming months including past performance data, video and handicapping software.

I've included a screen shot from our test server. It will be in place on the live server tomorrow and on our demo site later on this week for those that want a test-drive.

As always, comments and questions are appreciated.

Ian


Nice job on the new interface Ian. The best just got better

[Premier Turf Club]

Nice job on the new interface Ian. The best just got better

Thanks very much Cliff.

I thought it turned out pretty well. I realized we need a faster interface for those players structuring complicated tri and super plays, and I think this is about as fast, full-featured and intuitive as anything I've seen.

[boomman]

Fantastic new interface Ian! Not only does PTC have the best customer service in the business, they are constantly thriving to make their product bigger and better for the bettor!:)

Boomer

[prospector]

i love it...even i, non-computer guy figured it out in seconds..
compared to the twinspires stuff with brisbet today..what a mess

only use brisbet for video now...when ptc goes video i go bye bye from bristwin-whatever

good job Ian

[betovernetcapper]

Yesterday Ian announced that Bet Builder was going to be unveiled today. It's got everything. You can place or queue any bet with or without conditions effortlessly on the same page as the program and the tote and everything's visible. It's as near as we are likely to come to a perfect tote board in our lifetimes.
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Not to be undone TwinSpires/BrisBet unveiled it's new format today. Bear in mind they've spent $4,000,000 on the TwinSpires tote. For $4,000,000, I was expecting a real state of the art tote. I was expecting an Oscar night tote board. I was expecting something as least as good as YouBet. What they did is take the Bris Bet tote, made it look a little busier and copied the shade of blue from Ian's site. They didn't copy the conditional wagering or the betting queues or the rebates. they copied the fu*****g color.
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The logic must be something like "people like Ian's site-Ian's site is blue-we can be blue too". :bang:

[FlyinLate]

Are you planning on opening your site to IL residents anytime in the near future? Just let me know when you get the chance, thanks.

[DeanT]

Yesterday Ian announced that Bet Builder was going to be unveiled today. It's got everything. You can place or queue any bet with or without conditions effortlessly on the same page as the program and the tote and everything's visible. It's as near as we are likely to come to a perfect tote board in our lifetimes.
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Not to be undone TwinSpires/BrisBet unveiled it's new format today. Bear in mind they've spent $4,000,000 on the TwinSpires tote. For $4,000,000, I was expecting a real state of the art tote. I was expecting an Oscar night tote board. I was expecting something as least as good as YouBet. What they did is take the Bris Bet tote, made it look a little busier and copied the shade of blue from Ian's site. They didn't copy the conditional wagering or the betting queues or the rebates. they copied the fu*****g color.
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The logic must be something like "people like Ian's site-Ian's site is blue-we can be blue too". :bang:

You are gonna make me look :)

OK, Ill have a review in a couple of seconds..............

OK, that was a waste of time. What you said.

[Rook]

Ian,

It's great that users now have more options on how to place a bet but there is still room for improvement with trifecta and superfecta betting. The old Pinnacle interface is still the gold standard on how to most efficiently place these bets. A super ticket with 840 combos could be done as 1234 with 12345678 which is hitting 12 numbers rather than filling out 28 boxes in BetBuilder.

The base values for super tickets could also be improved. The $150, $200, $250 , $300 and $350 super buttons should be replaced with far more common and useful amounts like 70c,80c,90c,$6 and $8. The same should be done with trifectas as an $8 button would get infinitely more use than the $3000 option.

As far as I'm concerned, PTC already has the gold crown for rebates, customer service and player tracking. Knowing PTC's commitment to being the best in all areas, I suspect it won't be long before I can consider you to be the winner in the interface category as well.

[Premier Turf Club]

Ian,

It's great that users now have more options on how to place a bet but there is still room for improvement with trifecta and superfecta betting. The old Pinnacle interface is still the gold standard on how to most efficiently place these bets. A super ticket with 840 combos could be done as 1234 with 12345678 which is hitting 12 numbers rather than filling out 28 boxes in BetBuilder.

The base values for super tickets could also be improved. The $150, $200, $250 , $300 and $350 super buttons should be replaced with far more common and useful amounts like 70c,80c,90c,$6 and $8. The same should be done with trifectas as an $8 button would get infinitely more use than the $3000 option.

As far as I'm concerned, PTC already has the gold crown for rebates, customer service and player tracking. Knowing PTC's commitment to being the best in all areas, I suspect it won't be long before I can consider you to be the winner in the interface category as well.

Rook:

Thanks for the feedback.

As far as ticket construction goes, I think we looked at 1234 with 12345678 logic but it couldn't be done with modern tote technology. Keep in mind, Pinnacle didn't have to interface into a totalizator. I could be mistaken though so I'll look into it again.

As far as seed wager values go, I've got to see if we can populate them differently for different wagers (I think we can). If so, that change will be made very quickly.

Ian

[Rook]

An idea that just occured to me that would be much better than what Pinnacle even had would be to let the users have the option of using the checkboxes in "best position" mode, so that if you checked the 1st place box, the 2nd, 3rd and 4th boxes would automatically get filled in.

So, instead of filling in 28 boxes for 1234 with 12345678 with 12345678 with 12345678, the user would only have to check off 1234 in the 1st box and 5678 in the 2nd position. In that example the clicking would be reduced by more than 70%.:jump:

[Premier Turf Club]

An idea that just occured to me that would be much better than what Pinnacle even had would be to let the users have the option of using the checkboxes in "best position" mode, so that if you checked the 1st place box, the 2nd, 3rd and 4th boxes would automatically get filled in.

So, instead of filling in 28 boxes for 1234 with 12345678 with 12345678 with 12345678, the user would only have to check off 1234 in the 1st box and 5678 in the 2nd position. In that example the clicking would be reduced by more than 70%.:jump:

My CTO will rpoabbly kill me for saying this, but I bet we can do that. It might be a little complicated to code, but I come to bring it up on our technology call tonight.

And yes, we have technology calls every day, sometimes twice a day so I know what's going on, and the tech guys know what ideas we've come up with.

[trying2win]

Ian:

I just love the new 'BET BUILDER' feature at PTC! :ThmbUp: Thanks very much.


T2W

[TEJAS KIDD]

bet builder is awesome. You can really fly through your wagers.

but you have to send your queued wagers in. Nice 2 dime brain fart...sometimes I can be such an amateur.

Good job Ian and the boys at Premier with the new Bet Builder..

[BillW]

Nice interface Ian!

[BIG RED]

Ian,

Looks great.
But there is no $7 wager. I am very superstitious and I like to bet in $7 increments. Is there anyway you can put a $7 button?



Just kidding. Keep up the good work.

There is a 7-1 ML. @ Indiana, which is weird to me :D

PTC is always looking for the "player', keep it up, you will have them follow.

I will more than likely be there by end of year, just need my Vids.

[Sailwolf]

Are you planning on opening your site to IL residents anytime in the near future? Just let me know when you get the chance, thanks.

How about California in the near future?

[BIG RED]

I'm glad I read it before it duz!

[Premier Turf Club]

How about California in the near future?

Honest answer, it's on the list but not near the top. Given how California customers can't receive rebates (which is why many of them play through bookmakers) it doesn't make sense for us to spend our time fighting what will be another battle. I wish it didn't have to be that way, but until such time as conditions change, and we have reason to believe they will we're going to devote our energies to signals and other strategic projects we're working on.

If it was just a matter of spending the money to apply we'd do it in a heartbeat, but it's not that simple.

[DeanT]

If Ian wants an ally in the wars to bust this game into the 2000's, one of our standardbred friends would be a good pal.

http://news.bloodhorse.com/viewstory.asp?id=42316

It's so common sense that it probably has no place in the business.

[FlyinLate]

PTC, spoke with you a week or so ago...

Any word on IL residents yet?

[betovernetcapper]

If Ian wants an ally in the wars to bust this game into the 2000's, one of our standardbred friends would be a good pal.

http://news.bloodhorse.com/viewstory.asp?id=42316

It's so common sense that it probably has no place in the business.

While it's a great speech and I agree with everything in it, there have been a number of rumors that Parham has a financial connection with eHorse. If it's true it would be disastrous for PTC to become linked with a illegal bookmaker. If it's true, I also can't understand why he's speaking at the symposium, but then again I find a lot of this industry confusing.

[PaceAdvantage]

Illegal bookmaker? How so? Ehorse is a perfectly legitimate company in its country of origin, is it not?

[MakinItHappen]

I also notice that RGS has a press release on its website of a $250k contribution that Dana Parham made to the Permanently Disabled Jockey's Fund back in July.

Very nice...

Link to Press Release

http://www.rgs.net/uploads/DanaParhamDonation.pdf

Best of Luck Everyone!

MakinItHappen

[DeanT]

If guys like Ian and Parham were running racing since the late 80's I highly doubt we would have lost all the gamblers who left racing for other games. Not to mention, they would have seized the internet market like fresh companies like Betfair did, instead of waiting so long to embrace it. Hold it, we still havent embraced it. Maybe racing thinks it is all just a fad.

[betovernetcapper]

Illegal bookmaker? How so? Ehorse is a perfectly legitimate company in its country of origin, is it not?

I'm sure it's totally legal in Costa Rico. It becomes an illegal bookmaker when it operates within US boarders. An analogy might be a legal hashish shop in Amsterdam. I could visit as a tourist and they could sell me their product with no problem. If they sold/sent me their product when I'm in the United States, we would each be breaking some laws.
This is not the way I think things should be, but it seems to be the way things are. BTW, I'd love to be proven wrong on this one.

[PaceAdvantage]

I'm sure it's totally legal in Costa Rico. It becomes an illegal bookmaker when it operates within US boarders. An analogy might be a legal hashish shop in Amsterdam. I could visit as a tourist and they could sell me their product with no problem. If they sold/sent me their product when I'm in the United States, we would each be breaking some laws.
This is not the way I think things should be, but it seems to be the way things are. BTW, I'd love to be proven wrong on this one.You are 100% correct, but you can't go around calling them an ILLEGAL bookmaking operation if they are 100% legal in the country in which they were created.

An analogy might be a US internet porn site. 100% legal in the US, but if you're in a country where it is illegal to produce or purchase porn, and you happen to surf to this LEGAL US site and purchase some pix or movies, you're breaking the law in the country in which such activities are illegal.

Even given the above, you wouldn't go around in the US and say that this porn site was an "illegal sex store." Would you?

[DeanT]

Legal versus illegal? In horse racing I find it unproductive to use those words. Generally what is illegal in gambling is directly correlated to a lobby, or political influence.

Isn't internet and phone betting "illegal" in Connecticut? Those bad people in Connecticut who might be doing exactly what we are and hurting no one. They should all be sent to the salt mines :rolleyes:

[betovernetcapper]

Not to mention, they would have seized the internet market like fresh companies like Betfair did, instead of waiting so long to embrace it. Hold it, we still havent embraced it. Maybe racing thinks it is all just a fad.

Haven't embraced it is right on the money. Many tracks and horsemen still believe that we are going back to the track. Ain't gonna happen.

[DeanT]

It's been almost comical to watch hasn't it Bet?

When these sites were popping up in the 1990's, tracks generally said "their barriers to entry are nothing, so it is easy to set up and to get customers". Well if that is true, why in 2006, did it take Ian a gazillion dollars and years to get his site going? Didnt we learn from that?

Racing was and is worried about integrity. Betfair was dogged by scare tactics, mostly related to betting "a horse to lose". Well, they have proven time and time again to be probably the industries best watchdog for that. It's beyond funny to listen to some blame internet sites for lack of integrity. The lack of integrity has gone on for 100 years, since guys were painting horses legs to match a ringer and instigating a betting coup. Now it is just easier to find that out with the internet.

Racing complained that these sites were offering rebates and that is why they were successful. If so, why the hell not offer rebates? If McDonald's offers a Happy meal for $2 and it is a success, Wendy's does too. Not in racing.

Racing complains that betting exchanges can offer less rakes and that is why they have grown into big businesses. Well why not start one?

Racing complains that these companies don't pay into pari-mutuel pools. Well, why dont you license them and get them to pay into mutuel pools like Youbet and Twinspires?

Parham is right:

Parham said the pari-mutuel industry is being hindered by at least three things on the human level: a lack of leadership, personal agendas, and uninformed decision-makers.

Anyway, I'm grumpy today. Sorry for going on about this on this thread. Should have started a new one I guess.

[betovernetcapper]

An analogy might be a US internet porn site. 100% legal in the US, but if you're in a country where it is illegal to produce or purchase porn, and you happen to surf to this LEGAL US site and purchase some pix or movies, you're breaking the law in the country in which such activities are illegal.

Even given the above, you wouldn't go around in the US and say that this porn site was an "illegal sex store." Would you?

When I'm in the US, I wouldn't call it an illegal sex store, but if I were in someplace like Saudi Arabia, I might call it an illegal sex store because in Saudi Arabia it would be. If I wound up in a Saudi Arabian court, that's how they would refer to it.
Anyway, I'm not married to the term illegal bookmaker, what term would you suggest ?

[Premier Turf Club]

Gary Kaplan (BetonSports) tried to make the same distinction about "how these things are legal in Costa Rica". He now sits in federal lockup.

[betovernetcapper]

Racing was and is worried about integrity.

DeanT, brilliant post with the exception of the above. I'm convinced the industry isn't concerned about integrity but the appearance of integrity. :)

[PaceAdvantage]

Gary Kaplan (BetonSports) tried to make the same distinction about "how these things are legal in Costa Rica". He now sits in federal lockup.If he would have stayed in Costa Rica, he would still be a free man, would he not? Therein lies my point.

[ezrabrooks]

PTC, spoke with you a week or so ago...

Any word on IL residents yet?

PTC takes IL residents..

Ez

[john del riccio]

PTC takes IL residents..

Ez

Get in line...

NJ & YOU, -Perfect together.....:mad:

JOhn

[point given]

Haven't embraced it is right on the money. Many tracks and horsemen still believe that we are going back to the track. Ain't gonna happen.

Would you go back to the track if there was an economic incentive ? How about a different takeout for ontrack bets, vs simulcast bets ? Bet on track, and get 3-5% lower takeout on your bets. Since the track receives a bigger portion of the live ontrack betting, they should be able to benefit their live customers for theri patronage, NO ? This is an idea I've been kicking around for a couple of years.
I believe in the Dakota OTB operation, large bettors had local paid bettors place their bets for them, furnishing a bankroll to them, (so that might be a fly in the ointment, so to speak. ) The tracks have accepted the simulcast /ADW model, and have done little to motivate folks to come back to the track except the player reward programs, which alot of people don't use, for one reason or another. But, if players get more money back, they will bet more and create more churn , theoretically. ( at least that is part of the premise for the NTRA lobbying for hiking the amounts for IRS , taxs. etc )

BTW; here's an article which may be of interest to y'all on the present state of the game.

http://www.marketwatch.com/news/story/fan-base-wanes-pro-horse/story.aspx?guid=%7BAC349886-6E85-4BC8-A4C2-36D58B4DACAC%7D

[ezrabrooks]

Get in line...

NJ & YOU, -Perfect together.....:mad:

JOhn


Huh? If you got something to say, don't beat around the bush.

Ez

[john del riccio]

Huh? If you got something to say, don't beat around the bush.

Ez

I am a NJ resident and am FORCED to use NJBETS if I choose to play on line.

NJ Bets is like the McDonalds of ADW interfaces, if it works at all.

John

[betovernetcapper]

Would you go back to the track if there was an economic incentive ? How about a different takeout for ontrack bets, vs simulcast bets ? Bet on track, and get 3-5% lower takeout on your bets. Since the track receives a bigger portion of the live ontrack betting, they should be able to benefit their live customers for theri patronage, NO ? This is an idea I've been kicking around for a couple of years.
I believe in the Dakota OTB operation, large bettors had local paid bettors place their bets for them, furnishing a bankroll to them, (so that might be a fly in the ointment, so to speak. ) The tracks have accepted the simulcast /ADW model, and have done little to motivate folks to come back to the track except the player reward programs, which alot of people don't use, for one reason or another. But, if players get more money back, they will bet more and create more churn , theoretically. ( at least that is part of the premise for the NTRA lobbying for hiking the amounts for IRS , taxs. etc )

BTW; here's an article which may be of interest to y'all on the present state of the game.

http://www.marketwatch.com/news/story/fan-base-wanes-pro-horse/story.aspx?guid=%7BAC349886-6E85-4BC8-A4C2-36D58B4DACAC%7D

PG, I don't think a 3-5% reduction in takeout isn't going to get anyone back to the tracks. If the tracks were to reduce the on track takeout to between 3-5%, I think I'd consider making a visit. :)

[jillybeans]

We are all about to be informed by our Federal Government why the tracks have embraced the ADW/simulcast in lieu of promoting on track attendance. :lol:

[Indulto]

We are all about to be informed by our Federal Government why the tracks have embraced the ADW/simulcast in lieu of promoting on track attendance. :lol:Have Chucky and Jilly ever been seen together? :cool: