..............................H P C .............................. 11/17

[betsall]

Brisnet Race of the Day (http://www.brisnet.com/cgi-bin/gateway.cgi?from=612&to=cgi-bin/promo_rep.cgi?brd)

*Results.....Day 5
Congrats to the winners.....Zaf, Dr Win, Icebak,


Icebak..................5-1-0-1.........$105.80
Rcknhrse..............5-1-2-1..........$72.20
Dr Win..................4-3-0-2..........$70.00
Burls.....................4-2-0-0..........$54.20
Sufan....................4-1-1-1..........$50.80
MakinItHappen.....4-1-1-1..........$47.00
Ryesteve..............5-1-0-1..........$37.40
Judd.....................5-0-2-0..........$36.80
Zaf........................1-0-0-0..........$36.00
Toetoe..................1-1-0-0..........$27.60
Alydar...................3-0-1-1..........$25.00
Hajck Hillstrom.....5-1-0-1..........$22.40
Rgustafson...........4-0-2-1...........$20.00
Husker55..............4-0-1-2...........$14.40
Robert Goren.......4-0-2-0...........$13.80
Omalley................3-0-1-1..........$12.60
Hey Dude.............2-0-0-1...........$11.60
Sally.....................4-0-1-1..........$11.40
FlyinLate..............4-0-0-3..........$10.80
Bombsaway.........4-0-1-0...........$07.40
Alydar111.............4-0-1-0...........$07.40
Canleakid.............2-0-1-0..........$06.40
All Circuits Go......4-0-0-2..........$05.80
Rookie58..............5-0-0-2..........$05.80
Onefast99.............5-0-0-2..........$05.80
WildGeneral.........5-0-0-1.........$03.60

098poi...................1-0-0-0........$00.00
Huggingtherail......1-0-0-0........$00.00
Handiman.............1-0-0-0........$00.00
Dylbert..................1-0-0-0........$00.00
Betsall..................5-0-0-0........$00.00


* Based on 2.00 ATB

Best pick that won .....26.00 picked by....Sufan and Icebak
Best pick that placed 19.20 picked by .........Judd

[betsall]

OK, let you guys get a head start, that was part of my plan, think I might get started now.:liar:


Definately have some cappers here and alot that get real close.

Have alot more racing and sure the changes will be many. GL

[Dr Win]

I cannot figure out how you calculate those scores ???
This is from yesterday down.
So how Icebak got after
yesterday; 4-2-0-1.....$69.80
today; 5-1-0-1....$105.80 ???????????????????
Or me:
yesterday; 3-2-0-1......$34.00
today; 4-3-0-2......$70.00 ????????????????

I just hit horse to win and paid: #5 Creative Design 18.20 10.00 7.80
And my pick was:
Race 8 Churchill Downs Nov 16
---------------------
#5 Creative Design......................winner
#8 Pretty Persuasion (alt).............run 4th
---------------------

Need some explanation here please ?$!

THANK YOU


************************************************** ******
*Results.....Day 4

Congrats to the winners.....Dr Win, Hajck Hillstrom


Icebak..................4-2-0-1..........$69.80
Burls.....................3-2-0-0..........$54.20
MakinItHappen.....3-1-1-1..........$47.00
Sufan....................3-1-1-0..........$44.60
Rcknhrse..............4-1-1-1..........$36.20
Dr Win..................3-2-0-1..........$34.00
Ryesteve..............4-1-0-1..........$31.20
Toetoe..................1-1-0-0..........$27.60
Alydar...................2-0-1-1..........$25.00
Hajck Hillstrom.....4-1-0-1..........$22.40

Husker55.............3-0-1-2..........$14.40
Rgustafson..........3-0-2-0..........$13.80
Robert Goren......4-0-2-0..........$13.80
Sally.....................3-0-1-1..........$11.40
FlyinLate..............3-0-0-3..........$10.80
Bombsaway.........3-0-1-0..........$07.40
Alydar111............3-0-1-0..........$07.40
Omalley................2-0-1-0.........$06.40
Canleakid.............2-0-1-0.........$06.40
Judd.....................4-0-1-0.........$06.40
Rookie58.............4-0-0-2.........$05.80
Onefast99............4-0-0-2........$05.80
All Circuits Go......4-0-0-2........$05.80
Hey Dude............1-0-0-0..........$05.40
WildGeneral.........4-0-0-1........$03.60


Huggingtherail......1-0-0-0.......$00.00
Handiman.............1-0-0-0.......$00.00
Betsall..................4-0-0-0.......$00.00
Dylbert..................1-0-0-0.......$00.00

[betsall]

Dr Win


We are supposing that we all bet 6.00 total or 2.00 ATB and as such will collect any slots that it hits and the slots below it also.

If I make a mistake adding then you or others should let me know. I check my work a little but don't painstakingly check and re check it.

[icebak]

icebak should be 5-3-0-1

thx

[betsall]

Brisnet Race of the Day (http://www.brisnet.com/cgi-bin/gateway.cgi?from=612&to=cgi-bin/promo_rep.cgi?brd)

*Results.....Day 5
Congrats to the winners.....Zaf, Dr Win, Icebak,


Icebak..................5-3-0-1.........$105.80
Rcknhrse..............5-1-2-1..........$72.20
Dr Win..................4-3-0-2..........$70.00
Burls.....................4-2-0-0..........$54.20
Sufan....................4-1-1-1..........$50.80
MakinItHappen.....4-1-1-1..........$47.00
Ryesteve..............5-1-0-1..........$37.40
Judd.....................5-0-2-0..........$36.80
Zaf........................1-0-0-0..........$36.00
Toetoe..................1-1-0-0..........$27.60
Alydar...................3-0-1-1..........$25.00
Hajck Hillstrom.....5-1-0-1..........$22.40
Rgustafson...........4-0-2-1...........$20.00
Husker55..............4-0-1-2...........$14.40
Robert Goren.......4-0-2-0...........$13.80
Omalley................3-0-1-1..........$12.60
Hey Dude.............2-0-0-1...........$11.60
Sally.....................4-0-1-1..........$11.40
FlyinLate..............4-0-0-3..........$10.80
Bombsaway.........4-0-1-0...........$07.40
Alydar111.............4-0-1-0...........$07.40
Canleakid.............2-0-1-0..........$06.40
All Circuits Go......4-0-0-2..........$05.80
Rookie58..............5-0-0-2..........$05.80
Onefast99.............5-0-0-2..........$05.80
WildGeneral.........5-0-0-1.........$03.60

098poi...................1-0-0-0........$00.00
Huggingtherail......1-0-0-0........$00.00
Handiman.............1-0-0-0........$00.00
Dylbert..................1-0-0-0........$00.00
Betsall..................5-0-0-0........$00.00


* Based on 2.00 ATB

Best pick that won .....26.00 picked by....Sufan and Icebak
Best pick that placed 19.20 picked by .........Judd


edit

[rcknhrse]

staying with late pace aNd 12-1 ml

#3 NOTTAWASAGA

#5 BICOASTAL(ALT)

[icebak]

Hey Betsall, don't worry about errors. Leave it up to us to varify your nums. keep up the good work.

[Dr Win]

icebak should be 5-3-0-1

thx

i think i should be 4-3-0-1 not 4-3-0-2 ??

still not sure

[ryesteve]

Ryesteve..............5-1-0-1..........$37.40

should be 5-1-0-2

[Zaf]

Zaf........................1-0-0-0..........$36.00

Should be

Zaf........................1-1-0-0..........$36.00

Thanks for running the contest.

Z

[onefast99]

criminologist

[betsall]

Yes that was terrible this time around with those many mistakes. Should be able to do alot better.


NEW UPDATE

Brisnet Race of the Day (http://www.brisnet.com/cgi-bin/gateway.cgi?from=612&to=cgi-bin/promo_rep.cgi?brd)

*Results.....Day 5
Congrats to the winners.....Zaf, Dr Win, Icebak,


Icebak..................5-3-0-1.........$105.80
Rcknhrse..............5-1-2-1..........$72.20
Dr Win..................4-3-0-1..........$70.00
Burls.....................4-2-0-0..........$54.20
Sufan....................4-1-1-1..........$50.80
MakinItHappen.....4-1-1-1..........$47.00
Ryesteve..............5-1-0-2..........$37.40
Judd.....................5-0-2-0..........$36.80
Zaf........................1-1-0-0..........$36.00
Toetoe..................1-1-0-0..........$27.60
Alydar...................3-0-1-1..........$25.00
Hajck Hillstrom.....5-1-0-1..........$22.40
Rgustafson...........4-0-2-1...........$20.00
Husker55..............4-0-1-2...........$14.40
Robert Goren.......4-0-2-0...........$13.80
Omalley................3-0-1-1..........$12.60
Hey Dude.............2-0-0-1...........$11.60
Sally.....................4-0-1-1..........$11.40
FlyinLate..............4-0-0-3..........$10.80
Bombsaway.........4-0-1-0...........$07.40
Alydar111.............4-0-1-0...........$07.40
Canleakid.............2-0-1-0..........$06.40
All Circuits Go......4-0-0-2..........$05.80
Rookie58..............5-0-0-2..........$05.80
Onefast99.............5-0-0-2..........$05.80
WildGeneral.........5-0-0-1.........$03.60

098poi...................1-0-0-0........$00.00
Huggingtherail......1-0-0-0........$00.00
Handiman.............1-0-0-0........$00.00
Dylbert..................1-0-0-0........$00.00
Betsall..................5-0-0-0........$00.00


* Based on 2.00 ATB

Best pick that won .....26.00 picked by....Sufan and Icebak
Best pick that placed 19.20 picked by .........Judd

[Zaf]

#6 Argentina

alt. #3 Nottawsaga

Z

[betsall]

Love Handles / Nottawasaga

[rcknhrse]

i cant find the original thread that started this contest but i recall something about geting everyone talking about handicapping.lets concentrate on not just posting a pick but a brief explanation.this board had several capprs point out the top 2 finishers in a 21k super not to mention the 2 and the 8 that rounded it out,i am totally disgusted with my self for not refering to the board before i made my real bet.the top of the leader board had the winner pegged and someone else who tabbed the 5 mentioned the connections as his main reason for the selection.i had the 6 as my primary and the 2 as my secondary and mentioned the 8 as a key horse.to have 3 parts of that super and not hit is unconcionable,let alone 2 parts of the tri .

is there a spell check on this board? i dont se it

[icebak]

I have no doubt that if the members of this group handicapped and bet the super in a systematic way, we would have had it easy. The problem is that we are acting individually.

There is a certain logic to it. We all know that the fewer in our win pool, the better. While most of us are likely modest betters, and I haven't done the math, it is possible that a "big bomber" could impact the pools - especially at the smaller tracks.

I am sure that the majority in this group are worthy handicappers. I also think that we are here for the competition, but I think we all also want to know how we stack up against other members. If we contribute too many of our handicapping secrets then it will be harder to win. Essentially, if we make too good a case for out selections there may be somewhat of a "consensus factor."

Perhaps we could come up with a way of locking in our contest selections before we discuss the reasoning. That way we could profit for real without effecting the outcome of the contest. Maybe we should have to supply our selections 12 hours in advance or something?

That said, I think most of us are generous with our picks and would gladly contribute to the common good. As an experiment, I am personally - time permitting - going to supply a bit of my reasoning with my future picks.

Maybe we need to have this group work on some other races in a new handicapping thread. maybe we'll eventually form a "super syndicate." I'd love to meet in the "war room" sometime.

Good luck and I look forward to some ideas.

[HUSKER55]

Well here goes.

#1 Jade Queen First Pick
#4 Criminologist Alternate


I have decided to try throwing darts.

:)

[rcknhrse]

i think ultimatly i am trying to get over this missed opportunity.when i ferret out a shot like the 6 and dont maximize a real profit it haunts me for a couple of days.i keep asking myself what could i have done to be more aware of the threat that the 5 was.and 1 answer was to read this board before making the wager .bottom line was i should have played more exactas then i did or not play any and used the money in the flat bets.anything anybody posted here was not taking me off the 6 ,but the posts would have heigtened my awareness of the 5.

[HUSKER55]

In response to Icebak last post, how many of you would really change the way you bet or what you bet based on someone elses opinion. I am a newbie in the scheme of things and I even hit a 20-1 shot a few weeks back. That does not make me a guru, just one lucky little boy. I seriously doubt that one of anybody's bet affects the outcome of one race that much.

I am curious, what is the average payoff a pro makes and does anybody really think anybody can affect a outcome in a pool even if we all bet the same way?

Am I looking at this wrong?

Thanks and I would appreciate your respones.

[betsall]

I know how to cap and the main reason I want to hear others opinion is in case I ' missed something" mostly and hopefully I might be reminded of something about my capping that i've neglected.

It's been 5 races, 95 more to go, alot's gonna happen.

I will run down a race (give my opinion) and it will run exactly as I said it would with the speed being the speed, the raters rating and the closers closing and it will run first second and or first second thrid 4th st8 super and the next time it will make me a fool when I don't even hit the board.

The point I want to make is when you give your opinion as to why you think a horse will win you are putting your neck out on the chopping block.

For anyone who has watched the movie Let It Ride my picks are there for you to use just like Richard Dryfuss used them from others.

[betsall]

When It comes to turf i will rarely bet the speed unless he really really jumps out at me.


This is a turf race and I like the way Love Handles closes. 5-5 on the board for turf races. Think his class is just a little lower then this race but over looking that. Negative is the speed, there really isn't gonna be much least wise in fractions. Hoping Argentina will pick it up at some point and Love will follow.

[icebak]

i think ultimatly i am trying to get over this missed opportunity.when i ferret out a shot like the 6 and dont maximize a real profit it haunts me for a couple of days.i keep asking myself what could i have done to be more aware of the threat that the 5 was.and 1 answer was to read this board before making the wager .bottom line was i should have played more exactas then i did or not play any and used the money in the flat bets.anything anybody posted here was not taking me off the 6 ,but the posts would have heigtened my awareness of the 5.

We have to remember that if you ran this exact race again tomorrow, the result would be different. I considered the race to have several nearly equal contenders and could have made several plays that would have been equal from a handicapping perspective.

I considered Seemingly, but ultimately went with perhaps better connedtions, or whatever. The point is I would have made just as smart a bet with the 6 or the five and if I had been here at post time I might have liked the 6's higher odds.

I think most of the picks today were smart ones and by skillful handicappers. If I see a good handicapper pick a horse that I dismissed I'd be a fool to not have another look, but ultimately I will make the decision. If someone points out something I missed, it could and should effect my selection. But that's a good thing, i think.

[icebak]

In response to Icebak last post, how many of you would really change the way you bet or what you bet based on someone elses opinion. I am a newbie in the scheme of things and I even hit a 20-1 shot a few weeks back. That does not make me a guru, just one lucky little boy. I seriously doubt that one of anybody's bet affects the outcome of one race that much.

I am curious, what is the average payoff a pro makes and does anybody really think anybody can affect a outcome in a pool even if we all bet the same way?

Am I looking at this wrong?

Thanks and I would appreciate your respones.

It's not just their opinion, if they are decent handicappesr, they may simply point out something pertinent that you missed. After all, in many cases at least, 20 heads are better than one.

You are right that it is unlikely that any bet by any one of us will efffect the pools, it is more the principle. Those of us who profit are essentially doing so on the backs of those who don't. That is a fact of the paramutual system. In reality, there is, or rarely is, and significant negative effect. But there are mad bombers out there who regularly impact the pools. There are likely some very big betters among us. My opinion anyway.

But that shouldn't stop us from sharing info. It's just a fact of the game that is worth considering.

On the issue of your lucky 20-1. The main issue you should be concerned with is "was it a good bet or not."

[icebak]

I know how to cap and the main reason I want to hear others opinion is in case I ' missed something" mostly and hopefully I might be reminded of something about my capping that i've neglected.

It's been 5 races, 95 more to go, alot's gonna happen.

I will run down a race (give my opinion) and it will run exactly as I said it would with the speed being the speed, the raters rating and the closers closing and it will run first second and or first second thrid 4th st8 super and the next time it will make me a fool when I don't even hit the board.

The point I want to make is when you give your opinion as to why you think a horse will win you are putting your neck out on the chopping block.

For anyone who has watched the movie Let It Ride my picks are there for you to use just like Richard Dryfuss used them from others.

Anyone can offer valid insight into a race and a good handicapper will always consider it. Or they should.

[icebak]

i think ultimatly i am trying to get over this missed opportunity.when i ferret out a shot like the 6 and dont maximize a real profit it haunts me for a couple of days.i keep asking myself what could i have done to be more aware of the threat that the 5 was.and 1 answer was to read this board before making the wager .bottom line was i should have played more exactas then i did or not play any and used the money in the flat bets.anything anybody posted here was not taking me off the 6 ,but the posts would have heigtened my awareness of the 5.

You are right, at the very least the #5 was a legitimate contender. I get more bad beats by throwing out a low-priced legitimate contender, that I don't feel warrants their low odds, than I do by missing unpredictable longshots. I usually have the longshot and miss the 5-1 I hated for second or on top. Tuff game huh?

I once read an article by a self-proclaimed professional capper from NY. He said that he learned to pass most races and when he had a lecitimate longshot he covered him with bets so that when he was right about the shot, he usually cashed big on the exacta, trifiect, pk3 etc. You get the point.

[Burls]

7 Candy Ball

Alternate: 3 Nottasawaga

Burls

[Rookie@58]

#6, Argentina // #8, Love Handles (Alt)

[omalley]

CD R9 #7 alt #5

[alydar]

jade queen/ argentina

[rgustafson]

top-Nottwasaga

alt-Bicoastal

[HUSKER55]

I am developing my method of handicapping and I always bet my way. Otherwise why go to the work and bother? There are lots of other players better than me and I try to learn as much as I can along the way. That is my I appreciate any response, good or bad, beause it is better than no response. (IMHO)

That is why if anybody wants to use my picks it would be a pure ego trip for me.

BTW, that 20 - 1 shot was my sytem pick and I bet it. That makes it a good bet, (IMHO).

Thanks again.

[sally]

My Picks

#3 Nottawasaga
alt.- #8 Love Handles :)

[sufan]

win 8
alt 2

[betsall]

Taken from a DRF article.


Argentina clearly is the class of an eight-horse field in the Cardinal, and if the right trip unfolds for her this time, it is not difficult to envision her successfully capping a 16-race career that began in France and will now consist of 14 group or graded attempts, eight of them being Group1 or Grade 1.

If she is to fail, Criminologist is the most likely spoiler. A markedly improved filly since the calendar turned in January, Criminologist will be shooting for a fourth straight victory, having won her first graded race last month, romping in the Grade 3 Athenia Handicap at Belmont Park.

Fringe contenders in the Cardinal include Nottawasaga, a Canadian invader with Kent Desormeaux named to ride, and Candy Ball, a regular on the Texas-Louisiana circuit who will be making her first start since Bret Calhoun assumed her training from Andrew Leggio Jr.

The rest of the field is Jade Queen, Mama I'm Home, Bicoastal, and Love Handles.

First post Saturday is 12:40 p.m. Eastern.

[HuggingTheRail]

Criminologist

Nottawasaga (alt)

[canleakid]

#6///////#1 (SCR. SEL)

[Dr Win]

#6 Argentina***
#1 Jade Queen (alt)

***lightly raced horse 2007 3 0-1-0 $118,000 101

[MakinItHappen]

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[WildGeneral]

Criminologist
Jade Queen

[chickenhead]

3 NOTTAWASAGA
4 CRIMINOLOGIST (alt)

[Hajck Hillstrom]

Primary: 3 NOTTAWASAGA
Secondary: 6 ARGENTINA

[Robert Goren]

#3 nottawasaga

alt #8 love handles

[098poi]

cd R 9


#6
#4

[dylbert]

#7 Candy Ball -- LaD lightning hits CD lawn!

alt. choice: #5 Bicoastal -- Larry Melancon is no Frankie Dettori, but he can get job done here today...

Good Luck to All Today!

[ryesteve]

Criminologist / Nottwasaga

[judd]

candy ball/ argentina

[MakinItHappen]

Selection: #1 Jade Queen

Alternate: #3 Nottawasaga


Best of Luck Everyone!

MakinItHappen

[BIG RED]

Can I play?

Back to Life

[betsall]

Welcome !!!


I will refresh the rules thread , just something to go by.

[onefast99]

Criminologist looked pretty determined to win this event, JR looks much more comfortable in the saddle!

[betsall]

Chart attached.

[PaceAdvantage]

Please don't attach actual PDF race charts from DRF. This is probably a violation of copyright.

A simple link to the chart will suffice....

Thanks!