Blue Ribbons Downs must be small pools because of these results?

[kyle2227]

I am assuming Blue Ribbons downs is a small track? The reason I ask is because check out race one results today. A quinella pays for an all. You never see that. The super also pays for an all but who wouldnt have a two horse quinella? Do a lot of people play this track?

2-ALL paid $4.20


http://www.equibase.com/static/chart/quick/BRD102807USA1-EQB.html

[witchdoctor]

Small is an understatement. I once bet $10 on a 8-1 shot and watched the odds drop to 2-1. Funny thing about Okie bettors is that we don't bet pick 3 or pick 6's. At FMT and WRD, the pick 3 pools are always less than $100 and often less than $50.

By the way, BRD is for sale if you want to buy it.

[harnesslover]

How about $98 in the quinnella pool?

http://equibase.com/static/chart/pdf/BRD102807USA1.pdf

[whyhorseofcourse]

Track is not simulcasted at any of the tracks I have been too.

[Wickel]

Where are you guys betting BRD, if I may ask? Are any ADWs carrying the track? I love betting the QHs at Oklahoma tracks.

[socantra]

By the way, BRD is for sale if you want to buy it.

You mean the Choctaw tribe has already decided they don't want it?

[boomman]

I just drove past Blue Ribbon Downs a few weeks ago on one of my many road trips and it's easy to see why it's for sale. The Cherokees built a huge facility right down the road on the interstate (1-40). Someone with a lot of marketing savvy will need to go into Blue Ribbon (player's rewards, etc) as they have horse racing and slots only, and Cherokee had table games, live poker, etc in addition to their slots, and the joint was jumping.....

Boomer

[witchdoctor]

Boomman has it right. The Cherokee were really MAD when the Choctaw stole BRD(their words) from them. They were determined to drive them out of business. As for simulcasting, BRD is carried by FMT and WRD. There is not musch demand for their signal even is in Oklahoma.

[socantra]

Where are you guys betting BRD, if I may ask? Are any ADWs carrying the track? I love betting the QHs at Oklahoma tracks.

I know that the America Tab outlets, such as BRISBet and TSNBet are carrying Blue Ribbon and I believe its pretty widely available at other ADWs.

As far as simulcasting, I know the OKlahoma tracks simulcast it, and the 10 or so Tribal casino's here get there signal from Choctaw Racing Services, so they handle it. I suspect its pretty much out there for anyone who wants it.

[socantra]

Boomman has it right. The Cherokee were really MAD when the Choctaw stole BRD(their words) from them.

That was a very interesting transaction. It had basically been offered for free to the Cherokee, but they were holding out for being paid to take it. Choctaws came along and took it for free (those bastards).

I suspect its a bargaining chip in the ongoing tribal relations. Whwn the Cherokee's get over their huff, a deal will be made that involves something else. Or, maybe not. They are making so much casino money now, the Choctaws may be willing to lose some money just screw up the Cherokee's plans

[witchdoctor]

We were at WRD which is owned by the Cherokees in April. Probably only 30 people in the stands for the races but the slots were full and a few had people standing in line to get a chance to play.

I don't see why they( the Cherokee) even bother with horse racing. :bang:

[shanta]

I don't see why they( the Cherokee) even bother with horse racing. :bang:

Maybe it's in their blood?
:)

[socantra]

We were at WRD which is owned by the Cherokees in April. Probably only 30 people in the stands for the races but the slots were full and a few had people standing in line to get a chance to play.

I don't see why they( the Cherokee) even bother with horse racing. :bang:

I'd like to think they keep WRD around just so Jim Bradshaw will have a convenient place to go.

I think Shanta may be on to something about racing being in their blood. Horses and racing go back a long way in several tribal traditions. They are making so much money on the gambling these days, they can afford to do some things just because they want too.

The Chickasaw, Choctaw, Cherokee, Creek and several other tribes are doing very well these days. They are sinking a lot of money into housing, health care, education and other things. I'm sure a reasonable amount is being stolen, but there is also some left over just to do things that feel good. Its not a situation that has been common to the tribes.

[witchdoctor]

I guess Jimmy has connections. I see him there every Sunday I go out there. He likes it better than FMT as it is not as crowded and WRD carries Philadephia and FMT does not.

[ceejay]

The Chickasaw, Choctaw, Cherokee, Creek and several other tribes are doing very well these days. I wonder if any of these are looking @ the "for sale" sign at RP. Wouldn't that let them bring full casino action not just slots in?

[boomman]

We were at WRD which is owned by the Cherokees in April. Probably only 30 people in the stands for the races but the slots were full and a few had people standing in line to get a chance to play.

I don't see why they( the Cherokee) even bother with horse racing. :bang:

Read your legislation. Just like other states that have "racinos" the slot machine approval is tied to a minimum numer of required live horse racing dates........

Boomer

[witchdoctor]

There are at lot of Indian casinos all over Oklahoma with slots, poker and blackjack. None of these are tied to horseracing.

http://www.cherokeecasino.com/Casinos/Tulsa/Overview/tabid/300/Default.aspx

[boomman]

There are at lot of Indian casinos all over Oklahoma with slots, poker and blackjack. None of these are tied to horseracing.

http://www.cherokeecasino.com/Casinos/Tulsa/Overview/tabid/300/Default.aspx

witch: You're right: there are Indian casinos and there are racetracks LOL-the racetracks: Blue Ribbon Downs, Remington Park and Will Rogers Downs are REQUIRED to run live racedates as part of the legislation which allowed them to get slots. Even though Will Rogers Downs is now owned by the Cherokees, they purchased it from Gary Adams as a horse racing facility after the legislation passed and therefore are required to run race dates at that facility or trust me, they wouldn't! As for Fair Meadows at Tulsa (where I worked for 11 years) they are a fair entity, so they were not allowed to put slots in, but were compensated a percentage of slot revenue in exchange for not challenging the law. Those are the facts!

Boomer

[socantra]

witch: You're right: there are Indian casinos and there are racetracks LOL-the racetracks: Blue Ribbon Downs, Remington Park and Will Rogers Downs are REQUIRED to run live racedates as part of the legislation which allowed them to get slots. Even though Will Rogers Downs is now owned by the Cherokees, they purchased it from Gary Adams as a horse racing facility after the legislation passed and therefore are required to run race dates at that facility or trust me, they wouldn't!
Boomer

Which leaves unanswered the question of why either tribe wanted either track, when they already had the only thing of any particular value involved in the deal.

I suspect the Cherokee were about to get Blue Ribbon virtually free by default since they were already building casino operations in the area. The Choctaws came in and paid just a little bit for Blue Ribbon just to keep the Cherokee from getting it. At that point. the Cherokee expressed a newfound interest in Will Rogers Downs just to keep yhe Choctaw from getting it and now they are both wondering what they are going to do with the racetracks..

I have no inside knowledge and its pure rank speculation on my part, but neither track deal made any sense at all from an economic perspective. If you factor in petty tribal politics and long term rivalries, it begins to make more sense.

[witchdoctor]

Boomer

I knew about FMT but didn't realize that WRD and BRD had to keep horse racing or why they (the indians)just didn't open a casino across the street. from the track. As for BRD, the Choctaw may have picked it up for a song but it is reported that they put $15 million into it. That is some serious jack.

[socantra]

Boomer

I knew about FMT but didn't realize that WRD and BRD had to keep horse racing or why they (the indians)just didn't open a casino across the street. from the track. As for BRD, the Choctaw may have picked it up for a song but it is reported that they put $15 million into it. That is some serious jack.

I think the 15 million was mostly the slots themselves. Remington Park was described as a 32 million makeover, but that was mainly installing the slots.