Why is the left so nervous?

[PaceAdvantage]

I see on Saturday Night Live they dug up Chevy Chase to deliver some political satire. Too bad Chase is as unfunny as ever, and on top of that, now has difficulty speaking clearly.

He took on both Dems and Repubs, but only poked fun at the physical characteristics of Dem Presidential hopefuls, while going after the Repubs on more substantive issues.

I love how when he tried to make a joke about Giuliani using 9/11 to prop up his credentials, the room went stone cold silent....no laughs Chevy boy.....damn shame.....you don't go knocking Rudy and 9/11 in NYC.....

The far-left thinks it has things all figured out....they thought the same way in 2004.

[kenwoodallpromos]

I think many SNL comics go for sight gags more than oral humor. Maybe if SNL hired Kenny Mayne?

[Tom]

In all the years SNL has been on, the last grew have been undoubtedly the worst. A pathitic cast, bad writters, and now they raise the dead, who was never funny to begin with. Tsk tsk tsk.....

The occasional funny bit is always followed by weeks of regression.

If Chevy really wanted a joke, he could held up a picture of Nancy Pelosi!

[Secretariat]

.....you don't go knocking Rudy and 9/11 in NYC.....


You sure?

http://tpmelectioncentral.com/2007/07/head_of_nyc_firefighters_union_attacks_giulianis_9 11_performance.php

"Head Of NYC Firefighters Union Attacks Giuliani's 9/11 Performance
By Benjy Sarlin - July 2, 2007, 11:57AM

Giuliani's efforts to run on on his 9/11 performance have hit another snag as the president of the Uniformed Firefighters Association, New York's firefighter union, has vowed to sink his candidacy. As one would expect from an organization of firefighters, the UFA is not kidding around:

The UFA "will never be with Rudy Giuliani," [UFA head Steve Cassidy] proclaimed. "We will make it known that he is not qualified to lead." ... "For someone running for the highest office in the country claiming to be a leader on terrorism, Giuliani's track record stinks," Cassidy declared.

.....

Nonetheless, the UFA's list of complaints is long and serious. Chief among them are the false 9/11 air quality assurances that led to chronic illnesses for many firefighters, which we reported on in TPMtv. In addition, the UFA is upset with Giuliani's handling of firefighters' remains, the boneheaded placement of NYC's emergency command center in the WTC (which had already been bombed before), and the failure to correct faulty radios that exhibited problems during the 1993 attack as well."


.................................................. .............

"If somebody can tell me what he did on 9/11 that was so good, I’d love to hear it,” says Jim Riches, a deputy chief with the fire department whose son was killed in the World Trade Center attacks. “All he did was give information on the TV. He did nothing. He stood there with a TV reporter and told everyone what was going on. And he got it from everybody else down at the site.”

.................................................. .......................

Here's the International Association for Firefighters Forum on RG.


http://thehill.com/images/stories/news/2007/03/09/giuliani_letter.pdf

[kenwoodallpromos]

Must be something wrong with my computer- I only caught this part of your post:
"Union Attacks Giuliani's 9/11 Performance" My computer did not pick up the next line, "supports Demos automatically like unions always do"!LOL!!

[Tom]

:lol::lol::lol:

[Bill Olmsted]

The left is anything BUT nervous. The 2008 elections are in the bag. Hillary will be elected the first lady President of the United States. Bill will have the unique distinction of serving as the nation's First Gentleman. The House and the Senate will be both be solidly Democratic.

Face it. You can Swift Boat your way out of this one.

;)

[Bill Olmsted]

I'm taking bets, by the way.

Any comers?

Or is that illegal?

[Bill Olmsted]

Oh, I forgot.

Tom, this one's for you:

:lol: :lol: :lol:

[Dave Schwartz]

Bill,

I've gotta agree with you on this. As a regeistered Repub, I just do not see any front runner that I would want to vote for.

Of course, I voted for Nader in the last election - just to make a point. (What was that point again? Oh well. Forgotten just like Nader.)


Dave

[Bill Olmsted]

Dave,

I was brought up a Republican and I still hold dear a lot of those principles. But I just don't think there is anyone out there who can beat Hillary.

[Sailwolf]

Dave,

I was brought up a Republican and I still hold dear a lot of those principles. But I just don't think there is anyone out there who can beat Hillary.

I hope you are wrong

But.............. I cannot think of anyone who can beat her

[Tom]

50% of the nations says they will not vote for her.
She has along time left to show her true colors - what shade of worthelss, ignorant, two-faced, or liar do you prefer?


And swift boats - puleeeze - it was some Swift Boaters who exposed Kerry for the crap that he is to begin with.

[Bill Olmsted]

What I don't understand is why conservatives are so afraid of a Hillary presidency? If I recall, the Bill Clinton administration wasn't all that bad. We were prosperous, at peace with the world, had a balanced budget, and the country wasn't nearly as divided as it is now.

Contrast that with the Bush Presidency. Am I missing something?

[Bill Olmsted]

Look Tom, I've hurled a lot of bombs here myself and so I certainly can't take the high road. But really, what is the big deal?

[PaceAdvantage]

The left is anything BUT nervous. The 2008 elections are in the bag. Hillary will be elected the first lady President of the United States. Bill will have the unique distinction of serving as the nation's First Gentleman. The House and the Senate will be both be solidly Democratic.Considering one of our own "four-horsemen" (SECRETARIAT) can't even stand Hillary enough to vote for her (and he's stated as much publicly here on this forum), I think you may be seriously overestimating her chances at this point. Factions (the far-left) of her own party hate her....

I don't know how anyone can claim that an election is in the bag, given what happened in 2004....but hey, it's nice to dream, I suppose.

Hillary being the nominee is the best thing that could happen to the GOP.

[ArlJim78]

Hillary will not be president, you can bank on it. it doesn't matter that no one on the republican side is inspiring. all that matters is that when the choice is between two people and one of them is Hillary, the other choice will look pretty good to most Americans and they will be inspired at that moment to keep her away from the white house. repub's will keep the presidency but probably only modest gains in congress which will stay democratic. i'm still not convinced however that she even gets the nomination.

[Bill Olmsted]

I will lay 5/2 that Hillary will become the next President of the United States. I think those are more than fair odds.

[Bill Olmsted]

Considering one of our own "four-horsemen" (SECRETARIAT) can't even stand Hillary enough to vote for her (and he's stated as much publicly here on this forum), Who is this? I am not familar with this person.

[Bill Olmsted]

Sorry about the run togehter in the last post. Again, who is SECRETARIAT?

[alydar]

I am a Republican, but am so disguted by the last four years I can't put it into words.

Reckless spending, a war with no purpose or end in sight, a daily invasion into our personal rights. Ron Paul is the only Republican that makes sense and he will never get elected.

This time around I am voting Democrat, even if it is Hillary. She can't possibly be any worse than what we have been subjected to over the last four years.

As a Republican I am ashamed. In other countries, Bush and Cheney could be tried for treason, but here in the US they will retire as multi millionaires.

Go figure.

[Bill Olmsted]

I am a Republican, but am so disguted by the last four years I can't put it into words.

Reckless spending, a war with no purpose or end in sight, a daily invasion into our personal rights. Ron Paul is the only Republican that makes sense and he will never get elected.

This time around I am voting Democrat, even if it is Hillary. She can't possibly be any worse than what we have been subjected to over the last four years.

As a Republican I am ashamed. In other countries, Bush and Cheney could be tried for treason, but here in the US they will retire as multi millionaires.

Go figure.


Tom, PA, what is your response to the above post?

[Secretariat]

Considering one of our own "four-horsemen" (SECRETARIAT) can't even stand Hillary enough to vote for her (and he's stated as much publicly here on this forum), I think you may be seriously overestimating her chances at this point. Factions (the far-left) of her own party hate her....

I don't know how anyone can claim that an election is in the bag, given what happened in 2004....but hey, it's nice to dream, I suppose.

Hillary being the nominee is the best thing that could happen to the GOP.

For the most part I agree with you. I couldn't vote for her. Her position on foreign policy is more of the same disaster we have, and ever her domestic ideas such as on health care are heavily influenced by donations from the insurance companies. Her position on trade and labor is dreadful. If the choice comes down to Hilary and Guiliani I will have to write in or vote for a third party candidate.

My only caveat is your phrase "Hillary being the nominee is the best thing that could happen to the GOP." My caveat is "what's the difference?" You're just exchanging a corporatist despised by the progressive movement in her party for Bush Lite in the G-man.

[Tom]

Tom, PA, what is your response to the above post?

I would never consider any democrat under any circumstances. Bush ahs been a disappointment for sure, but if you remeber I never voted for Bush. I voted agasint Gore and Kerry. Bush has done a few things right. More things wrong.Now, read my lips: A democrat will do nothing right and everything wrong. Democrat are not equiped to lead. They are liars, leeches and defeatists. A vote for any democrat is a vote for failure. The dems are Bin Laden's party of choice.

[Bill Olmsted]

The moralists on the Right are in the long and painful process of biting their collective tongues when it comes to the G-Man. The Party is being spread way too thin and will not recover soon. To quote Roy O: "It's Over."

[Tom]

It's not about a party for me - I am an independent. The repubs may have strayed, but is ridiculous to think that would turn me to the dems. The repubs will house clean - a concept the dems are not familiar with.
things are not a bad under Bush as you portrey - part of the lib mis-information campaign.

http://www.heritage.org/Research/Budget/bg1820.cfm

[harnesslover]

The left is anything BUT nervous. The 2008 elections are in the bag. Hillary will be elected the first lady President of the United States. Bill will have the unique distinction of serving as the nation's First Gentleman. The House and the Senate will be both be solidly Democratic.

Face it. You can Swift Boat your way out of this one.

;)

I could swear we heard the elections were in the bag in 2000 and 2004 as well
:lol::lol::lol:

[harnesslover]

I will lay 5/2 that Hillary will become the next President of the United States. I think those are more than fair odds.

At most books you can get her at 4/1, so they are not more than fair odds.

[Tom]

I could swear we heard the elections were in the bag in 2000 and 2004 as well
:lol::lol::lol:


They still swear they won in 2000! :lol:

They must be in Egypt because they are in Da Nile

[ArlJim78]

sure there are lots of disaffected republicans, but since Bush is not running there is hope for a change for the better. there is no way that they'll be looking at democrats and thinking "yeah this is what we need".

[Bill Olmsted]

The elections were not, in fact, "in the bag" in 2000 and 2004. Far from it. It was dead even in 2000 and Bush was expected to win in 2004. But 2008 looks like a done deal. I'll take 4/1 any day of the week.

[GaryG]

I could swear we heard the elections were in the bag in 2000 and 2004 as well
:lol::lol::lol:That is for sure. Candidate Hillary??? They would be better off with the lightweight from Illinois, can't think of his name....:lol: :lol:

[Bill Olmsted]

sure there are lots of disaffected republicans, but since Bush is not running there is hope for a change for the better. there is no way that they'll be looking at democrats and thinking "yeah this is what we need".

So I guess "a change for the better" means Rudy? This guy favors ABORTION!!!!!
Spooky.

[harnesslover]

The elections were not, in fact, "in the bag" in 2000 and 2004. Far from it. It was dead even in 2000 and Bush was expected to win in 2004. But 2008 looks like a done deal. I'll take 4/1 any day of the week.

Oh you naive dems will never learn will you. You're like the handicappers that keep betting that 0 for 24 maiden on the hope that he must win at some point..

[Bill Olmsted]

Oh you naive dems will never learn will you. You're like the handicappers that keep betting that 0 for 24 maiden on the hope that he must win at some point..

Put your money where you mouth is. I'm betting on Hillary and, being the generous guy that I am, I'll lay you even money. If you want to take my action, please e mail me at BOlmsted114@aol.com.

Like shooting fish in a barrel...

[harnesslover]

Put your money where you mouth is. I'm betting on Hillary and, being the generous guy that I am, I'll lay you even money. If you want to take my action, please e mail me at BOlmsted114@aol.com.

Like shooting fish in a barrel...

Why would you bet someone even money when you can get 4/1?

Dems bad at handicapping AND math :lol::lol::lol:

[Bill Olmsted]

Who's the sucker here?

[Tom]

Anyone who votes for Hillary.

[Bill Olmsted]

Anyone who votes for Hillary.

Whaaa?
Is this the ghost of Rodney Dangerfield?

[harnesslover]

Who's the sucker here?

Think about it as you are paying off your nearest sportsbook, while seeing that 0 for 25 maiden lose yet another one down the stretch.

[JustRalph]

What I don't understand is why conservatives are so afraid of a Hillary presidency?

Anybody with a Wallet ought to be afraid! Very Afraid...........

[PaceAdvantage]

So I guess "a change for the better" means Rudy? This guy favors ABORTION!!!!!
Spooky.So what? Who said abortion was first on my list of priorities? Not me....

[Marshall Bennett]

Unfortunately I agree , and what a dangerous situation lurks ahead . Don't know who's more dangerous , Hillary or Nancy ... we'll have them both .

[Lefty]

This election will boil dn to National Security. The surge is working and ill reported in the dempress also called our mainstream media. It gets any better over there(and it will)Repubs win...again.

[Lefty]

What I don't understand is why conservatives are so afraid of a Hillary presidency? If I recall, the Bill Clinton administration wasn't all that bad. We were prosperous, at peace with the world, had a balanced budget, and the country wasn't nearly as divided as it is now.

Contrast that with the Bush Presidency. Am I missing something?
HA HA, imagine the voice of that kid on the Simpsons who deflates with a loud HA HA!
The false economy was created with an internet business bubble that burst.
The surplus was our tax money. OURS, not THEIRS!
We had the Cole attack during that time, those peaceful Clinton yrs. Several of our embassies were attacked. Saddam shot at our airplanes and the Clinton admin talked and talked. Clinton allowed his biggest contributor to sell sensitive technology to China. He allowed The N. Koreans to have a nuclear reactor therebye causing another mess.
9-11 was planned during the Clinton yrs because we were considered weak.
Sooooo, HA HA!

[Lefty]

BTW, betting on elections in the U.S. is illegal so it's man to man or offshore for you guys.

[Tom]

Ha ha.


http://www.thesoundarchive.com/play-wav-files.asp?sound=simpsons/misc/haha.wav

[ddog]

HA HA, imagine the voice of that kid on the Simpsons who deflates with a loud HA HA!
The false economy was created with an internet business bubble that burst.
The surplus was our tax money. OURS, not THEIRS!
We had the Cole attack during that time, those peaceful Clinton yrs. Several of our embassies were attacked. Saddam shot at our airplanes and the Clinton admin talked and talked. Clinton allowed his biggest contributor to sell sensitive technology to China. He allowed The N. Koreans to have a nuclear reactor therebye causing another mess.
9-11 was planned during the Clinton yrs because we were considered weak.
Sooooo, HA HA!

I can imagine the kid part easy enough.. :blush:

that economy was created with an Internet bubble that burst.
foolish drivel.
all the tech compaines including Internet companies that were spawned during that period would be shocked to know they have "burst", seem to be some still making good coin.

this economy riding on real estate bubble that burst. sounds bad.
Just as useless a comment by itself.

tax money was ours not theirs
insane.

Who owns the deficit/debt we are racking up- that 's not ours as well.
Oh, i get it now, it's ours but ours isn't YOU so that's cool.
sad.

9-11 was planned because we were weak?
Nuts.

If that's the case then were we the weakest country in the world at the time?
It was exactly because we were strong , they had no other way to ignite events.

give it up man, please.
No mooooooooooooore!
:lol:

[ddog]

This election will boil dn to National Security. The surge is working and ill reported in the dempress also called our mainstream media. It gets any better over there(and it will)Repubs win...again.

nope - economy , things will look a lot different after this winter.
book it.
Iraq will receed to background noise over time.

[Lefty]

ddog, you're wrong, but that's okay, we expect it from you. Iraq will recede more even into the background because we're winning so the press stops reporting much about it. BTW, i'm right about the Clinton economy, and it's sickness showed during the last quarter of Clinton's admin and Bush came along, cut taxes and brought it back. Tax money is not our money? And i'm insane? Whose money is it, my man? The tooth fairy's?
Yes, Bin Ladin thght we were weak due to the fact that Clinton did NOTHING about all the terror attacks on his watch.

[Lefty]

If it boils dn to the economy then the dems CAN't win.

[46zilzal]

Lefty continues to live in a dream world as this graph from the U.S. government shows where the national debt went and who was a the helm each time.

[Lefty]

ddog, not only the foolish internet thing but companies like Enron were cooking the books and that tended also to make the economy look better than it was. That's why it started floundering.
BTW, this admin has prosecuted a lot of those crooks but gets no credit from our biased mainstream media.

[46zilzal]

Enron contributed $736,800 to George W. Bush over the past eight years, his single largest contributor

[Lefty]

Let's see, the demswant about a trillion dollar tax raise, mrs Clinton wants healthcare for everyone, and wants promises money to every organization she speaks before. Well, guess they can't bleed us for more than 100%. Good times...

[PaceAdvantage]

Enron contributed $736,800 to George W. Bush over the past eight years, his single largest contributorAnd look where they ended up. Bravo GWB....he took care of Enron on his watch....smart guy, that GWB.

[46zilzal]

And look where they ended up. Bravo GWB....he took care of Enron on his watch....smart guy, that GWB.
POS are the initials I would use for the brain stem that roars.

[PaceAdvantage]

POS are the initials I would use for the brain stem that roars.You'd be halfway dangerous if you could get by the 2nd grade mentality that generates statements such as this. Frankly, I tire of them....

[harnesslover]

Enron contributed $736,800 to George W. Bush over the past eight years, his single largest contributor

Oh now, lets not hash over the contributions from Enron to Mr Clinton. Not to mention the multiple trips to Russia

[harnesslover]

POS are the initials I would use for the brain stem that roars.

Don't be so hard on yourself.

[ArlJim78]

I will lay 5/2 that Hillary will become the next President of the United States. I think those are more than fair odds.

has your line moved after Hillarys debacle last night? loved her immigration solution, she really nailed that one.:lol:

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1007/6634.html

she is going to have an earlier flameout than Howard Dean. bank on it.

[Lefty]

zilly calls the Pres names and that's what he and other socialist types call REASONABLE debate. He won't sit dn and go over point by point why he dislikes the Pres' politics and why, he just comments on meaningless b.s.He doesn't seem to have any rational thghts of his own.

[46zilzal]

When the head of state is a complete and utter fool disconnected from reality, it is very easy to pick apart his plans as they are hollow and not thought out. He cannot even articulate them for getting his tongue in a knot.

This CLOWN in the biggest waste of flesh to this country since Warren G. Harding, another idiot.

We got a leader in Iran who has announced that he wants to destroy Israel. So I've told people that if you're interested in avoiding World War III, it seems like you ought to be interested in preventing them from have the knowledge necessary to make a nukyular weapon.
-- White House, Oct. 17, 2007

[harnesslover]

When the head of state is a complete and utter fool disconnected from reality, it is very easy to pick apart his plans as they are hollow and not thought out. He cannot even articulate them for getting his tongue in a knot.

This CLOWN in the biggest waste of flesh to this country since Warren G. Harding, another idiot.

"This country"? Canada?

[46zilzal]

"This country"? Canada?
Unless you believe he wants to overtake yet another country.


Pal I only LIVE here. I was born in Georgia.

[harnesslover]

Unless you believe he wants to overtake yet another country.


Pal I only LIVE here. I was born in Georgia.

Maybe you should worry about YOUR own government and not worry about our government and what WE do..

You know, there is something to be said for staying out of another country's government, right?

[46zilzal]

Maybe you should worry about YOUR own government and not worry about our government and what WE do..

You know, there is something to be said for staying out of another country's government, right?

Since my passport is the same as yours, it would lead me to understand that MY government is based in Washington DC. and is being handle miserably by both parties.

[Lefty]

zilly, you completely prove what i just said about you. That's not rational debate, focusing on form and not substance.
He don't spk good, but Bush is action oriented. He saved this economy, first from Clinton recession, then from the debacle of 9-11. Yep, tax cuts work everytime they're tried. We have enjoyed prosperity while spending billions fighting terrorism at the same time. The Bush justice department prosecuted many CEO's that cooked the books during Clinton yrs, and sent them to jail


The man of action is to be commended, but zilly and the leftwing blogs focus on b.s. cause they have no substantive argument.

[46zilzal]

Saved the economy for his rich friends to screw with. Look at the national debt.

I have never met someone as disjointed to reality as you are, but then again I have never met the rutabaga either.

[Lefty]

zilly, the national debt goes up and dn as you well know. But a lot of us non rich types did very well during the Bush yrs. He sent a lot of rich crooks to jail btw. Contrary to socialists belief system, it's not a crime to be rich. The tax cuts INCREASED money coming in to the govt. There was too much spending because of all the pork that gets into bills. That's why we'll never get a handle on spending until the President gets the line item veto. It will never happen and all these wasteful prgms, mostly started by dems, will continueto increase because of baseline spending. Another item that need correctinmg. Also, term limits would help, but the Dems and a few repubs shot that dn when Knute was SPEAKER. Overwhelmingly, the dems voted against it.

[46zilzal]

Yes, having a brain dead, dyslexic, warmongering silver spoon up the rectum alcoholic is just great as Prez.

[harnesslover]

Since my passport is the same as yours, it would lead me to understand that MY government is based in Washington DC. and is being handle miserably by both parties.

Why did you move to canada exactly?

[harnesslover]

Yes, having a brain dead, dyslexic, warmongering silver spoon up the rectum alcoholic is just great as Prez.

Well if you truly feel this way, then that's too bad, as the alternatives were much worse. Kerry? Edwards? You've got to be kidding me.

And strap it in for 8 more years with the likes of brain dead Hillary, brain dead Kerry and clueless Obama as the competition.

It's almost too easy

[46zilzal]

So far, and most of them say one thing, do another anyway, I would support Ron Paul.

[46zilzal]

Why did you move to canada exactly?
That is where the car stopped one day.

[Lefty]

Yes, having a brain dead, dyslexic, warmongering silver spoon up the rectum alcoholic is just great as Prez.
zilly, once again you prove my case. Ladies and gentlemen of the jury, this man, dr zilly, does not know the meaning of reasonable debate. I rest my case.

[harnesslover]

That is where the car stopped one day.

Were you riding with Jane Fonda at the time?

[46zilzal]

Were you riding with Jane Fonda at the time?
A very good looking talented Academy Award winning actress who is very good at comedy as well.


I have never met the woman.

You have the originality of a snail. Get that zinger as a dittohead??

[Tom]

This CLOWN in the biggest waste of flesh to this country since Warren G. Harding, another idiot.

We got a leader in Iran who has announced that he wants to destroy Israel. So I've told people that if you're interested in avoiding World War III, it seems like you ought to be interested in preventing them from have the knowledge necessary to make a nukyular weapon.
-- White House, Oct. 17, 2007

Curious, do you honestly believe this to be an intelligent argument?:confused:

[46zilzal]

[QUOTE=Tom]Curious, do you honestly believe this to be an intelligent argument?[/QUOTE

When one is pointing out real stupidity, one only has to quote the rutabaga in his own words and one finds fertile ground for discussion.

"And as the person who have asked these brave young men and women to go into combat, I feel a special obligation to make sure that our veterans, particularly those who served under my watch, get the absolute best care."
-- Rogers, Arkansas, Oct. 15, 2007

The best care is Walter Reed????

[harnesslover]

A very good looking talented Academy Award winning actress who is very good at comedy as well.


I have never met the woman.

You have the originality of a snail. Get that zinger as a dittohead??
You know, I figured you for attending an anti war rally with janoi jane, and I can live with that.

But to call her good looking is just over the line.

[46zilzal]

Against war all on my own. Independent assessment particularly after seeing how it changed so many of my friend and relatives. They were never the same after another STUPID waste of time and effort in Vietnam which severed only to make fat cats fatter.

[harnesslover]

[QUOTE=Tom]Curious, do you honestly believe this to be an intelligent argument?[/QUOTE

When one is pointing out real stupidity, one only has to quote the rutabaga in his own words and one finds fertile ground for discussion.

"And as the person who have asked these brave young men and women to go into combat, I feel a special obligation to make sure that our veterans, particularly those who served under my watch, get the absolute best care."
-- Rogers, Arkansas, Oct. 15, 2007

The best care is Walter Reed????

Tom, I just noticed that when someone such as 46 cannot carry on an intelligent conversation and is dimed out as such, he goes to plan B, which is using the term "When one...."..

It sounds so much more intelligent than "When I", almost regal..

(And PS - there is stupidity to go around both parties:

Oct. 25 2000 JACKSON, Tenn. (Reuters) — Criticizing Bush's Social Security privatization plan at a rally in Tennessee, Gore said, "He is proposing to privatize a big part of Social Security and he's proposing to take $1 trillion, a million billion dollars out of the Social Security trust fund and give it as a tax incentive to young workers."
)

[harnesslover]

Against war all on my own. Independent assessment particularly after seeing how it changed so many of my friend and relatives. They were never the same after another STUPID waste of time and effort in Vietnam which severed only to make fat cats fatter.

We know, we know, love not hate..

Just make sure you have your gat with you when roaming the streets of Toronto. Those Canadian peacekeepers sneak up on you like a Navy Seal

[46zilzal]

We know, we know, love not hate..

Just make sure you have your gat with you when roaming the streets of Toronto. Those Canadian peacekeepers sneak up on you like a Navy Seal
what is a GAT?

Moving to Toronto soon it seems as Woodbine beckons with a new job. Announcement will be in the newspaper soon I am told.

[harnesslover]

what is a GAT?

Moving to Toronto soon it seems as Woodbine beckons with a new job. Announcement will be in the newspaper soon I am told.

A gat? You'll see when you spend a few nights in the record breaking murder city of Toronto.

[46zilzal]

FROM Wikipedia, A few things in the nebulous field of the expression GAT or Gat can have multiple meanings. It can refer to:

* The General Achievement Test taken by Victorian students prior to completing their Victorian Certificate of Education
* The GAT automotive company formaly based in Estonia during the early 60's to late 80's
* The "Gifted and Talented" demographic in education
* Ground Armored Tank, a fictional vehicle from the Star Wars: The Clone Wars video game.
* Gat (clothing), a traditional article of Korean clothing composed of a cylindrical black hat with wide rims
* Slang term for a gun, derived from "Gatling gun"
* A narrow passage extending inland from a shore; a channel
* Khat, a plant that is chewed as a natural stimulant in Africa.
* Gath, an ancient Phillistines city mentioned in the bible and a kibbutz in modern Israel
* The city of Kiryat Gat in modern Israel
* A composition set to a cyclic rhythm in North Indian classical music
* Gat, the syllabic abbreviation of "Gmail chat"
* GAT, the "Guidance Automation Toolkit", one of the pillars of the Microsoft "Software Factory" vision along with the DSLTools
* An honorary title from the Philippines usually accorded to great men or leaders
* The Genius Association for Tomorrow, a humanitarian organization founded out of Endicott, New York
* A misspelling of GATT
* Gruppo Anticrimina Tecnologico, Italian law enforcement unit

REAL PLAIN TALK Ain'T IT???

[Tom]

FROM Wikipedia, A few things in the nebulous field of the expression GAT or Gat can have multiple meanings.

REAL PLAIN TALK Ain'T IT???

So can the word issues, but you have issues with that.
You know, you come out every day or so and make yourself look totally dumb by doing the same thing you bitched about a day ago.

Are you Hillary Clinton?????

[46zilzal]

So can the word issues, but you have issues with that.
You know, you come out every day or so and make yourself look totally dumb by doing the same thing you bitched about a day ago.



Is that the October or November issue? Seems as though issue is the catch word of the last year and the mentally slothful latch onto it without regard to the wear and tear it takes.

[harnesslover]

FROM Wikipedia, A few things in the nebulous field of the expression GAT or Gat can have multiple meanings. It can refer to:

* The General Achievement Test taken by Victorian students prior to completing their Victorian Certificate of Education
* The GAT automotive company formaly based in Estonia during the early 60's to late 80's
* The "Gifted and Talented" demographic in education
* Ground Armored Tank, a fictional vehicle from the Star Wars: The Clone Wars video game.
* Gat (clothing), a traditional article of Korean clothing composed of a cylindrical black hat with wide rims
* Slang term for a gun, derived from "Gatling gun"
* A narrow passage extending inland from a shore; a channel
* Khat, a plant that is chewed as a natural stimulant in Africa.
* Gath, an ancient Phillistines city mentioned in the bible and a kibbutz in modern Israel
* The city of Kiryat Gat in modern Israel
* A composition set to a cyclic rhythm in North Indian classical music
* Gat, the syllabic abbreviation of "Gmail chat"
* GAT, the "Guidance Automation Toolkit", one of the pillars of the Microsoft "Software Factory" vision along with the DSLTools
* An honorary title from the Philippines usually accorded to great men or leaders
* The Genius Association for Tomorrow, a humanitarian organization founded out of Endicott, New York
* A misspelling of GATT
* Gruppo Anticrimina Tecnologico, Italian law enforcement unit

REAL PLAIN TALK Ain'T IT???

Here, maybe we'll pull you out of Beaver Cleaver world for a moment:

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=gat

[harnesslover]

FROM Wikipedia, A few things in the nebulous field of the expression GAT or Gat can have multiple meanings. It can refer to:

* The General Achievement Test taken by Victorian students prior to completing their Victorian Certificate of Education
* The GAT automotive company formaly based in Estonia during the early 60's to late 80's
* The "Gifted and Talented" demographic in education
* Ground Armored Tank, a fictional vehicle from the Star Wars: The Clone Wars video game.
* Gat (clothing), a traditional article of Korean clothing composed of a cylindrical black hat with wide rims
* Slang term for a gun, derived from "Gatling gun"
* A narrow passage extending inland from a shore; a channel
* Khat, a plant that is chewed as a natural stimulant in Africa.
* Gath, an ancient Phillistines city mentioned in the bible and a kibbutz in modern Israel
* The city of Kiryat Gat in modern Israel
* A composition set to a cyclic rhythm in North Indian classical music
* Gat, the syllabic abbreviation of "Gmail chat"
* GAT, the "Guidance Automation Toolkit", one of the pillars of the Microsoft "Software Factory" vision along with the DSLTools
* An honorary title from the Philippines usually accorded to great men or leaders
* The Genius Association for Tomorrow, a humanitarian organization founded out of Endicott, New York
* A misspelling of GATT
* Gruppo Anticrimina Tecnologico, Italian law enforcement unit

REAL PLAIN TALK Ain'T IT???

And here's a little history lesson for you, as to the alleged origin of the term.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gatling_gun

[46zilzal]

Here, maybe we'll pull you out of Beaver Cleaver world for a moment:

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=gat
Oh you hang with the gutter trash. No wonder your vocabulary is down there with them.

[Tom]

Is that the October or November issue? Seems as though issue is the catch word of the last year and the mentally slothful latch onto it without regard to the wear and tear it takes.
Almost used as often as rutega.

[46zilzal]

Almost used as often as rutega.
One of these days you will spell that correctly. Yes, but then it was my idea not being a clone like so many here.

[GaryG]

One of these days you will spell that correctly. Yes, but then it was my idea not being a clone like so many here.You are more of a clone than any of them....straight ultra-left party line on every issue. Not an original thought yet.....:lol: :lol: :lol:

[46zilzal]

I think a certain way. If it is parallel to something else it is happenstance not design.

[harnesslover]

Oh you hang with the gutter trash. No wonder your vocabulary is down there with them.

WTF? I thought you adored dark skinned people?

[46zilzal]

WTF? I thought you adored dark skinned people?
A place on the "class scale" of people has nothing to do with skin color and everything to do with actions.

[riskman]

ddog, you're wrong, but that's okay, we expect it from you. Iraq will recede more even into the background because we're winning so the press stops reporting much about it. BTW, i'm right about the Clinton economy, and it's sickness showed during the last quarter of Clinton's admin and Bush came along, cut taxes and brought it back. Tax money is not our money? And i'm insane? Whose money is it, my man? The tooth fairy's?
Yes, Bin Ladin thght we were weak due to the fact that Clinton did NOTHING about all the terror attacks on his watch.

What does winning mean to you?

[GaryG]

A place on the "class scale" of people has nothing to do with skin color and everything to do with actions.zilly...could you please restate your views on southern culture and wonderful people?

[Lefty]

What does winning mean to you?
If you don't think we're winning then you must think we're losing. What does losing mean to you.
At this point winning means driving these Al Quaeda terrorists out of Iraq so they can become the democratic nation that most Iraquis want it to be. Winning means finding and stopping terrorists plots for here and abroad. Winning means killing and capturing the enemy in greater and greater numbers. Deaths are dn in Iraq for our troops and Iraqui civilions. I call that winning. This terrorism is like crime. We have to keep fighting it; unfortunately, we will never completly eradicate it. We must keep a strong vigil and a strong miltary.

[46zilzal]

Terrorism is an idea, a practice undertaken by many groups of differing ideologies. It is not a state that can be wiped out any more than you could eyelids.
Left to their own I would bet on Islamic Republic.

[harnesslover]

A place on the "class scale" of people has nothing to do with skin color and everything to do with actions.

wow, so 'urban' = trash?

[riskman]

Hillary as President will curtail U.S. military operations in Iraq but not end them. She has promised to end the war, but at the same time she promises to transform and continue it. ( flip/flop)She says she will retain a significant force and continue to try to produce country-wide military and police forces, attack terrorists, and provide materiel. She will call for more equipment for the area and fewer personnel. She will talk tough to Iraq’s leaders.

Her promise to end the war is an empty one. Since she and the U.S. establishment want to produce a stable Iraq allied to the U.S., she can’t end the war because that will produce the opposite consequences. Iraq will disappear and be replaced by a partitioned country with many factions: (IMHO)between Iranian and Iraqi Shiites, between Iraqi Shiite factions, between Sunnis and Shiites, between Turkey and Kurds, etc. The bloodthirsty terrorists of Al-Qaeda will ally themselves with whomever they can to lever their position.

Events in Iraq are unpredictable. Both the U.S. and Hillary are willing hostages to them. Even under the cover of a democracy, a strong man could arise, another Saddam.Which way will Hillary go? Will she bite the bullet and withdraw, letting the chips fall where they may? Or will she succumb to the urge to shape events and control Iraq’s future? Like her husband, she will do both. She will straddle the issue. Just as he bombed and bombed, she will try to substitute equipment for manpower. She will withdraw some men but not all; and she will not withdraw power and interference. She will compromise between those voices urging faster exit and those counseling disaster if she withdraws too quickly. In other words, the war will drag on until the balance of power shifts to install a regime or regimes that keep power. Most Republicans could live with this scenario.Her domestic program is a whole different subject.

Hillary on the Iraq War is a continuing disaster.(IMHO) She will not exercise a foreign policy leadership that will make a real difference. Her honeymoon will be short lived.Americans will be frustrated with her just as they were with GWB.

[delayjf]

Left to their own I would bet on Islamic Republic.

Admit it, you want Islamic Republic to win.

[46zilzal]

Admit it, you want Islamic Republic to win.
I have NO say in what other people want. What they want is what they should get. I have no rooting interest in anything but their having a peaceful solution to their strife.

[Lefty]

46, you having no rooting interest in this war is just plain nutso, my man. That's classic "Ivory Tower" thinking that you're above it all. Well, let the air out of your ego, you're not! They want your head too, you apparantly are not smart enough to know it. You are educated beyond your capacity to reason.

[46zilzal]

Ohio State plays Purdue, Oklahoma State plays Wyoming who wins? I don't care, just like this STUPID waste of time folly in the Middle East

[Lefty]

Comparing a war where freedom and lives are at stake to a sporting event is insane. You are not worthy to be walking around free when your freedom has been purchased by the lives of good men and women. You are pumped full of learning but something in your head is not working right.

[46zilzal]

Comparing a war where freedom and lives are at stake to a sporting event is insane. You are not worthy to be walking around free when your freedom has been purchased by the lives of good men and women. You are pumped full of learning but something in your head is not working right.

As usual you missed the point: BOTH events carry the same weight meaning NO weight at all.

[Lefty]

No, zilly, I totally get your point and you reaffirm it.

[46zilzal]

A Stupid waste of time/money is costing the U.S. big time. The Canadian dollar today is worth $1.06 U.S.


THROW money down a bottomless pit, money that belongs to the taxpayer, and eventually it will affect the entire domestic situation.

[delayjf]

THROW money down a bottomless pit, money that belongs to the taxpayer, and eventually it will affect the entire domestic situation.

We were discussing the Iraq war, not national healthcare.

[NoDayJob]

In all the years SNL has been on, the last grew have been undoubtedly the worst. A pathitic cast, bad writters, and now they raise the dead, who was never funny to begin with. Tsk tsk tsk.....

The occasional funny bit is always followed by weeks of regression.

If Chevy really wanted a joke, he could held up a picture of Nancy Pelosi!

SNL will be much funnier if and when the screen writers decide to strike... strike... strike... strike... you get the idea. :lol:

[ddog]

zilly, the national debt goes up and dn as you well know. But a lot of us non rich types did very well during the Bush yrs. He sent a lot of rich crooks to jail btw. Contrary to socialists belief system, it's not a crime to be rich. The tax cuts INCREASED money coming in to the govt. There was too much spending because of all the pork that gets into bills. That's why we'll never get a handle on spending until the President gets the line item veto. It will never happen and all these wasteful prgms, mostly started by dems, will continueto increase because of baseline spending. Another item that need correctinmg. Also, term limits would help, but the Dems and a few repubs shot that dn when Knute was SPEAKER. Overwhelmingly, the dems voted against it.

Feel sorry for guys like you really,
You are so drunk on koolaid you wouldn't know a rational thought if one ran over you.
It doesn't take a line item veto to balance anything.
The Admin(either side) has a duty to propose something that pays for our obligations. Your limp wristed expalnations are typical of those who can't stomach tough choices and more and more can't even be bothered to think of them.

Quick give me 2-3 things that will cut 190B to pay for part of the war supplemental that the ADmin is asking for. Which I am for by the way.
How about the next 5 years.
After that try something to start to handle the Meidcare/caid unfunded mandates we are racking up.

If you can't and won't support anything then you are as much and I think more of a threat to the longterm future of this country than any terrorist ever will be with your pie in the sky b.s from above.

From where I sit you and your kind are wrong and are more liberal on spending than I ever was or would be.
Moral cowardice.
Just borrow from China and push it off on the next couple of generations.
A pitifull and really drastic break with the moral fiber it takes to remain a great country.

Hope you pass on with all your tax cuts in the bank, let the next bunch pay them off.
Nope, no sacrifice for the Lefties of the world.
Too much to ask.

[PaceAdvantage]

Feel sorry for guys like you really,
You are so drunk on koolaid you wouldn't know a rational thought if one ran over you.That door definitely swings both ways. This isn't directed at you ddog, per se, but towards people who are on the opposite side of Lefty in their political views.

[Lefty]

dddog, i was a kid in WW11 and families back then sacrificed more than anyone in any generation since. I'm not talking aboutthe military and their families who definitely have sacrificed only to see a large part of the country actually be againstthem, bkve it or not. Don't blame this admin for the medicare debacle as it's ingrained in this "give me something society" and was started by Johnson. Didn't Bush just turn dn a drastic increase for that prgm that's supposed to help kids but has been bastardized in many states to include adults? And didn't he take heat and lies from the dems who said he was heartless and then lied said he was cutting the prgm when it had an increase of millions. All of these prgms including the bad ones get raised automatically due to baseline budgeting andyou can't blame that on Bush. A lot of pork in Wash from allsides and that's due to the nature of how these bills are written to include everything besides its orig intent.
ASnd more money coming in because the economy has expanded due to tax cuts is a bad thing? Well, do tell!
Limp wristed? Never say that to my face cause then you'll find out that i'm definitely not that!