Fun with 4NJBETS!

[njcurveball]

The first Breeders Cup, the first Kentucky Derby, and an ongoing tradition.

Those outside NJ are missing out.

When you have 4NJBETS you have the added attraction of never knowing when a bet will be placed.

Wait till the last minute and even if you get all the numbers punched before they leave the gate, you can get the dreaded WEB ERROR!

I am averaging about 25% success getting the bets in. How bad is it? I am trying to bet the 10th at Mountaineer now! No luck with 5 tries at a track that is not even running yet. On a race I am pretty sure very few are trying to bet.

I have written them emails, spoke with them on the phone and in person. I think they must be getting some hush money from the Casinos to frustrate as many horseplayers as possible to send them into the poker rooms where every bet is accepted and you never get shut out!

[njcurveball]

And now a Server Error! Woo hoo! Their handle must be way up today! :mad:

Server Error

The server encountered an internal error and was unable to complete your request.


Could not connect to JRun Server.HTTP/1.0 503 Server Error Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2007 18:32:54 GMT Server: Apache/1.3.27 (Unix) (Red-Hat/Linux) JRun/4.0 mod_ssl/2.8.12 OpenSSL/0.9.6b DAV/1.0.3 PHP/4.1.2 mod_perl/1.26 Connection: close Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Server Error

The server is temporarily unable to service your request due to maintenance downtime or capacity problems. Please try again later.
Additionally, a 503 Service Temporarily Unavailable error was encountered while trying to use an ErrorDocument to handle the request

[alysheba88]

Same with me. A travesty

[Tom]

There's smoke billowing out of their "Tandy 1000" as we speak! :D

[alysheba88]

Impossible to even get to a betting screen now. Geniuses!

[njcurveball]

How many more times will we hear they are "new" and not set up for this many customers?

Typical racetrack management, probably wanted to save $10,000 on buying new servers.

Their support people are probably at the Mall with their high school friends. :mad:

[cato]

SO to play this game do you take a drink when you get a bet down or when you are shut out? :cool:

Cato

[bettheoverlay]

Website went back to normal as soon as the Classic was run. I was unable to wager from 2PM until then. Phonebet inaccessible as well. Monopolies! They say a revamped site is close at hand but I would bet that means lots of advertising (none now) rather than increased efficiency. To be fair on normal days I rarely have a problem.

[jma]

I was going to be there live today, so I made all my bets at 9pm last night. The same thing happened last year with the site crashing. It's ridiculous, but as stated, they have a monopoly. The only plus side of the site is the full list of tracks, but that doesn't help if the site is down!

[njcurveball]

SO to play this game do you take a drink when you get a bet down or when you are shut out? :cool:

Cato

This is the funniest thing I have read in a while! 4NJBETS drinking game. I think I will pass this one on! :lol: :ThmbUp:

[Stevie Belmont]

My website www.thoroughbredzone.com (http://www.thoroughbredzone.com/) called the looming disaster again. I did not want a replay so I went to the Meadowlands...Scroll down past the BC stuff and you will see it. I had that up t here several weeks ago. E-mail the link....There is also a phone number. I tried for weeks to get answers. I was told to bet early. The biggest day in Jersey racing history and they cant even fix the damn server...what a joke.

I got shut out a win bet on Thors Echo last year because of the system went down. What a joke.

[wonatthewire1]

have to disagree about the "being new" part...

Penwood runs it through their link with Penn National's Freehold Race Track

NJ had nothing to do with setting it up or running it - only have a couple of admins involved to make sure that they get their cut

I don't have any problems with them 99% of the time - big days like yesterday, are another story altogether. But I find that the odds don't change dramatically enough to not bet very early, so I learned to place them early and forget it (!)

[betovernetcapper]

I happened to talk with Ian the day that PTC got the BC signal and all he could talk about was putting in new computer equipment-circuits(?)-and adding additional personal for the BC day. People not getting shut out became his mission. It worked-I was playing 3 different tracks yesterday without a hiccup. :)

[Zman179]

I always bitch about living in New York, but it could be worse. I could live in New Jersey.

I feel sorry for all of you having to deal with the ineptness of New Jersey racing. Funny thing on the njbets website:

COMING VERY SOON.............NJAW WILL FEATURE A BRAND NEW WEBSITE DESIGN AND BETTING APPLICATION! - 10/28/2007

[bettheoverlay]

New website starts tomorrow. Preview up now. Looks a lot busier than before. Did notice a box for on-line deposits and one for replays, neither of which we have now.

[ALL CIRCUITS GO]

I am having all kinds of trouble with the new site roll out today. no video, no pools, etc. when I call, they tell me that support is through email, that I have to email and wait for them to contact me.

Not the way to run any business!
:(

[njcurveball]

when I call, they tell me that support is through email, that I have to email and wait for them to contact me.

Not the way to run any business!
:(

Funny a year ago or so, I emailed them and they told me to call an 800 number for support! :mad:

I can't wait to get home to try it! :bang:

[ALL CIRCUITS GO]

the 888 number in their voice system is no longer proving support, acording to the voice I spoke with this morning..

good luck!

[njcurveball]

Well I hope the High School Senior who designed the new site gets an A.

Worst betting interface possible. CHECK BOXES for horses and select amount, then wager type, then horse, oh my! I think computers have went back to 256k memory and a 5 1/4" floppy drive with this one! :mad:

Basic principles, show odds and allow people to bet QUICKLY! Oh well, that is if you are not in New Jersey!

[bettheoverlay]

I've been playing MNR tonite and I still haven't found a place where the current odds are updated. Have to rely on the video feed which occasionally disconnects. Absolutely awful changes, the old betting ticket was a beauty compared to this convoluted maze.

[njcurveball]

On the main window, you have to put the cursor over the track and click there.

It shows the track program and the current odds. Of course the odds do not change from the morning line! :mad:

It is a navigation nightmare to try to even look at 2 tracks now.

Amazing since they added a 2nd track to the video. of course now each track is 3 inches tall and I cannot find anyway to maximize the picture!

OH BOY! Looks like more people will be switching over to poker now! Maybe the casinos designed the new site for free? :mad:

[PaceAdvantage]

Well I hope the High School Senior who designed the new site gets an A.

Worst betting interface possible. CHECK BOXES for horses and select amount, then wager type, then horse, oh my! I think computers have went back to 256k memory and a 5 1/4" floppy drive with this one! :mad:

Basic principles, show odds and allow people to bet QUICKLY! Oh well, that is if you are not in New Jersey!Sounds somewhat like the NYRA wagering site, from what I was told by a friend who uses it....the high school senior analogy fits well with the NYRA site as well.....

The scary thing is the guy who was involved in the development of the NYRA internet wagering platform was promoted to Marketing Director. I realize NYRA is having a tough time attracting new talent, but really now....

http://www.bloodhorse.com/articleindex/article.asp?id=41345

For all those who like to claim I never criticize NYRA, there you go....

[njcurveball]

With todays technology, there should never be anything that involved in an industry where time is so important.

The old interface which needed work took about 10 seconds to put in a typical Superfecta bet. The new one about 25 seconds.

Anyone new to the site probably gave up on coming back. :mad:

[ALL CIRCUITS GO]

at least with the old interface you could se odds and pools on all horses and place bets on same screen

now, you may have to scroll through odds/horses, and a new window opens when you want to bet

seems very high school, and designed for bettor who wakes up in the morning and knows what he wants to bet, without searching for value

My prediction is that in the next few years when NJ Bets faces declines, the bettors will be blamed, but no blame will be placed upon the sophomoric/moronic site design that is not user friendly or intuitively easy to navigate

never mind that "support" is only an email away!!

so, when they come for me and ask me why I opened an account off shore/otherstate under my cousins name, I'll just point to 11/06/2007 site redesign.

[ALL CIRCUITS GO]

oh yeah, listing the tracks available on the video feed in order of 1st race and not in alphabetical order?

no ease of use

[njcurveball]

Is there any better indication of site design than posting times in "Greenwich Mean Time"!

This is not an International site. It is for ONE STATE with a check box saying you are IN that state.

Perhaps this work was done by a software firm in India? SERIOUSLY! :mad:

[alysheba88]

You have got to be kidding me. Just went in. Worse thing I have ever seen. Dont insult a kid from high school, kid would have done much better.

Its an utter disgrace.

[Brisson]

NJ and you prefect together........NOT !!

[njcurveball]

Well I got an email answer that this is just Phase 1.

I didn't kill the Messenger, but it was quite an "in your face" answer. There is obviously some kind of indepedent firm that has been hired to do this website.

Obviously from Phase 1, we can tell they may not even know which end of the horse eats.

Looks like we have to send them every suggestion we can think of, in the hopes they will learn how to bet,

[alysheba88]

Well I got an email answer that this is just Phase 1.

I didn't kill the Messenger, but it was quite an "in your face" answer. There is obviously some kind of indepedent firm that has been hired to do this website.

Obviously from Phase 1, we can tell they may not even know which end of the horse eats.

Looks like we have to send them every suggestion we can think of, in the hopes they will learn how to bet,

Hopefully phase 1 of 1000.

Just mind blowing that they dont consult horseplayers and ask what they want to see. Or have a player be actively involved in the rollout

[njcurveball]

Just mind blowing that they dont consult horseplayers and ask what they want to see. Or have a player be actively involved in the rollout


I said pretty much the same thing in my Email! :ThmbUp:

Any horse player who tried to make a bet could have told them this is not "ready for primetime". :mad:

[shanta]

Just mind blowing that they dont consult horseplayers and ask what they want to see. Or have a player be actively involved in the rollout

That would be too easy Aly and make too much sense. Unreal

[ALL CIRCUITS GO]

absolutely outlandish and disgusting!

you're right - a high school kid could have done better!

remember when our former governor was outed and the joke was that we thought his hand was in our pockets for the money? well.. wonder which in the pocket firm got the contract and who got the kickback?

yeah, that GMT time thing is crazy!

looks like we need to send suggestions in to these people..

good luck to all.

[alysheba88]

The most outlandish thing of all is if the powers that be saw this thread the most likely reaction would be "bunch of degenerate horse players complaining again"

[bettheoverlay]

I still can't find an updating odds line except for the video feed which kept rebuffering tonight. Am I missing something? Every odds line I see remains the morning line until the race is over, and then the final odds show up in the results section.

I guess they didn't feel an updating odds line was necessary for Phase 1. If so, that is ignorance of horse racing beyond belief. I usually play 5-8 tracks on the weekend, I hope they are into Phase 2 by then and have the current odds (and exotic probable payoffs) available. If not, I'm off to the South Philly Turf Club, let Pennsy process my money.

[trigger]

http://money.excite.com/jsp/nw/nwdt_ge.jsp?news_id=cmt-311p6676&feed=cmt&date=20071107

[ALL CIRCUITS GO]

in todays 4th race at AQU, part of entry is scratched, but no mention is made at the web site other than runnners 3 and 9 being scratched!

ugh!

[njcurveball]

http://money.excite.com/jsp/nw/nwdt_ge.jsp?news_id=cmt-311p6676&feed=cmt&date=20071107

Great link! If only they could do half as good a job as Dennis Dowd thinks they are doing, we would all be much happier!

Quoting Dowd:

we have no doubt that our patrons will find the new Internet and telephone (http://money.excite.com/jsp/nw/nwdt_ge.jsp?news_id=cmt-311p6676&feed=cmt&date=20071107#) wagering platforms to be stable, user-friendly and feature-rich

[bettheoverlay]

I just logged on and find that the odds are thankfully now updating on the wagering window and the program window. I was surprised to see an experienced horse racing company was responsible for the new site. I absolutely hate it.

[bettheoverlay]

It took them 4 months but I really like the sweeping new changes to the 4njbets website today. I bashed them when they got it wrong. I think they finally got it right.

[wonatthewire1]

I liked the ability to layer the video on the older one

This one is not that bad though - better than keeping an additional screen open for the wagering platform. And I don't have to have the DRF tote board open on most days.

[The Hawk]

I just don't get why you can't send more than one bet at a time, like we used to do when the site was first launched. It's really irritating to put in a bet, hit send, then confirm the bet, then close, then make the next bet. When you're punching in a bunch of tickets it's time consuming to have to go through all those steps every single time.

[Norm]

I used the newest interface today. Not bad, almost half of it is actually working ! :bang:

[affirmedny]

too many issues with new format, they went back to previous format today.

[Stevie Belmont]

The first one they had was the best one I thought. They are going backwards not foward. I mean I was looking at it the other day and I did not know what was happening? Why is it so hard? They have the old interface back.

They need a plain crisp simple format. How about the ability to watch the race, make the bet and see the odds all on the same page?

[njcurveball]

As some may recall, the november quote from Dowd is just the icing on the cake now.

we have no doubt that our patrons will find the new Internet and telephone (http://money.excite.com/jsp/nw/nwdt_ge.jsp?news_id=cmt-311p6676&feed=cmt&date=20071107#) wagering platforms to be stable, user-friendly and feature-rich

Shame this isn't congress where these people can be held accountable. I was hoping to put a positive spin on this whole thing, but the joke continues.

I also sent an email for a support issue and received this response.

Sorry we haven't gotten back to you on this, the programmers have been
pretty busy on bigger issues.


YES YOU DO 4NJBETS! Much BIGGER issues! :lol:

[wonatthewire1]

not too bad but a couple of bugs still out there...

1. the video selections don't go beyond the letter R - Rosecroft being the last listed. you have to click on the camera on the main screen and wait for a track like Tampa or Woodbine to load

2. simulcast calendar tab - is showing the calendar for January 2008 - dudes that was 3 months ago

[fiveouttasix]

Anyone else having trouble with NJBets. I have been shut out since 2nd @KEE.

[jma]

Anyone else having trouble with NJBets. I have been shut out since 2nd @KEE.

Lightning strike from earlier thunderstorms took the system down

[jma]

Lightning strike from earlier thunderstorms took the system down

As of 4:52, seems to be working again.

[wonatthewire1]

I had the same problem by KEE3
It was logging me out or not loading the tracks - so I decided to shut it down and go enjoy the nice weather instead of getting frustrated...


my email and response:

From: 4njbets (4njbets@sgracingservices.com)
Sent: Sat 4/12/08 2:51 PM
To: xxx@hotmail.com)

I'm sorry for the inconvenience, we have notified the programmers and they are working to fix the issues ASAP. Please be patient and try again in a little while.

Linda R

________________________________

From: xxx@hotmail.com]
Sent: Sat 4/12/2008 2:49 PM
To: 4njbets
Subject: 4/12/08


awful today with the auto logout - think that the system will be up ky derby day?

[alhattab]

Not only could you not bet on NJ Bets- you couldn't bet at the track either. I went over to Monmouth after having no success on the website or phone, and there were a bunch of people sitting around watching races and drinking, but all the machines were down. Website wasn't lying when it said "no betting is available in NJ".

[wonatthewire1]

With the odds board (keeps shifting one track down when updating) - in other words, if I have Woodbine up for the odds, it will bump down to Balmoral, Churchill was moving to Delaware...had to keep two other windows open to keep the DRF odds board open

Log-out: was occurring continously last week and a few times this week; go to place a bet after patiently waiting for the opportunities and have to resign in.

[bettheoverlay]

Beware - the 4njbets system couldn't handle the demand the last two Kentucky Derby days. I've got reservations at the Brandywine Turf Club, no Jersey OTB yet in SJersey suburbs(Vineland exc), although land allocated at the old Garden State site is still vacant. I don't think one will ever come although it would probably be very successful if it did.