NFC east

[skate]

has made itself the toughest div in football.

Wash @ N E;)

[DanG]

has made itself the toughest div in football.

Wash @ N E;)
While the division is very competitive and the best in the NFC, the AFC is clearly dominate. (And not just the top two either imo)

[RaceBookJoe]

I am a lifelong Redskin fan, even though we are in the hunt, i dont think we are as good as our record shows. Dan is right, the top AFC are so much better. The NFC is up for grabs. GO SKINS !!!!!

[delayjf]

I'm not saying your wrong, but I don't think the NFC's best teams are that far behind the AFC's best. Keep in mind, Dallas beat the Colts last year. IMO, Dallas matched up better against the Colts than they do against the Pats.

Specifcally, Dallas lacks a pass rush up the middle which you need against the short passing game of the Pats. I don't know if anybody noticed but against Dallas it seemed to me that Brady often had a clear unobstructed field of vision in front of him, much easier to see the coverage and pass the ball when one has a clear field of view. It will be interesting to see what Tank Johnson can add to the club.


The Colts have a more vertical passing game, which gives a defense more time to get to the quarterback. In that situation, Dallas was able to better use it's speed rush.

I think the Giants with their D line match up better with the Pats as they will definitely get a push up the middle and get in Brady's face and force him to look and throw around defenders.

[GaryG]

At this point it looks like the Patriots and then everybody else. Haven't seen a team this dominant since the 49ers in the late 80s.

[DanG]

I'm not saying your wrong, but I don't think the NFC's best teams are that far behind the AFC's best. Keep in mind, Dallas beat the Colts last year. IMO, Dallas matched up better against the Colts than they do against the Pats.

Specifcally, Dallas lacks a pass rush up the middle which you need against the short passing game of the Pats. I don't know if anybody noticed but against Dallas it seemed to me that Brady often had a clear unobstructed field of vision in front of him, much easier to see the coverage and pass the ball when one has a clear field of view. It will be interesting to see what Tank Johnson can add to the club.


The Colts have a more vertical passing game, which gives a defense more time to get to the quarterback. In that situation, Dallas was able to better use it's speed rush.

I think the Giants with their D line match up better with the Pats as they will definitely get a push up the middle and get in Brady's face and force him to look and throw around defenders.
I agree with you Delay that match-ups play a huge part, but Dallas’s weakness is in safety’s that can cover. Roy Williams is finished as a cover safety and if you protect the rush edge you can exploit them.

The underrated part of the Pat’s and Colts in particular is their tremendous offensive lines. Pure business genius in not publicizing them to keep salaries down.

Colt’s D as long as Sanders stays healthy is also very under-rated. AFC is odds on to take the big enchilada imo. The talent on San Diego, Jacksonville, Tennessee’s front-7, Colts, Pittsburg and of course the Pat’s is virtually the entire pro bowl.

PS: I always felt fortunate to see almost every down that Lawrence Taylor played. Bird & Jordan in their prime etc…and what Brady & Manning are doing is stuff for the time capsule. Different eras and good talent around them etc…etc…but we are seeing something remarkable and I hope they stay healthy because it’s sport at the highest level. :ThmbUp:

[delayjf]

I agree with you Delay that match-ups play a huge part, but Dallas’s weakness is in safety’s that can cover. Roy Williams is finished as a cover safety and if you protect the rush edge you can exploit them.

I read an interesting article about Roy Williams - the gest of which was that Roy Williams plays a undisciplined style of ball. At Oklahoma he was able to excel by basically doing what he wanted. But those instincts often have him out of position at the pro level, so he gets burned a lot.

[DanG]

I read an interesting article about Roy Williams - the gest of which was that Roy Williams plays a undisciplined style of ball. At Oklahoma he was able to excel by basically doing what he wanted. But those instincts often have him out of position at the pro level, so he gets burned a lot.
He was still an outstanding safety (and still plays the run well), but I always felt he was a linebacker at heart. Lynch in Tampa was bigger than life when he was here and has turned into a very similar player. Great run instincts and tough as a $2 steak, but can be burned in the passing game.

[harnesslover]

At this point it looks like the Patriots and then everybody else. Haven't seen a team this dominant since the 49ers in the late 80s.

New England is great this year. Indy is just below great.

I think they are #1, #2, then the rest..

[skate]

While the division is very competitive and the best in the NFC, the AFC is clearly dominate. (And not just the top two either imo)


fair minded, ill say.

ive been watching, to a degree, the line and Q backing improvements. mostly , Wash, Dallas and New York, i like them all.

they could make things tough on each other.

Sunday should give an indication, i have some doubt, line injuries will let us know about depth.

also, i not out on a limb and trying to say "they have the best team", but they might. just saying "best division".

[skate]

I am a lifelong Redskin fan, even though we are in the hunt, i dont think we are as good as our record shows. Dan is right, the top AFC are so much better. The NFC is up for grabs. GO SKINS !!!!!

you are right to my point and im not a skinny fan.n except, i think they are better than their record. likewise for NY and Dallas.

as for the AFC being better, of coarse we can agree, but that's going by the past.

the -skate refers to the future.;)


16 1/2 points for the open, now i see 17, with an over of 48.

no parlays, ill take the 15 points or higher for three units and put one unit on the over (48).

rent is due:eek:

[skate]

I'm not saying your wrong, but I don't think the NFC's best teams are that far behind the AFC's best. Keep in mind, Dallas beat the Colts last year. IMO, Dallas matched up better against the Colts than they do against the Pats.


I think the Giants with their D line match up better with the Pats as they will definitely get a push up the middle and get in Brady's face and force him to look and throw around defenders.



well dell, you put it in perspective better than i could.

the line play from the above NFC teams looks great to me and the "Q" backs have come into their own.

coaching, with the addition of "littleBum", should suffice.

[skate]

At this point it looks like the Patriots and then everybody else. Haven't seen a team this dominant since the 49ers in the late 80s.

agree agree and we shall see.

Mia. was tough with Shula.;)

oh, and Pitts w/ Bradeshaw:eek: and "the- mean Joe Green".

[skate]

New England favored over Wash by 17.

[Hosshead]

New England is great this year. Indy is just below great.

I think they are #1, #2, then the rest..
New England's opponents so far have totaled 11 games Under .500
Colts opponents have totaled 2 games Over .500

[harnesslover]

New England's opponents so far have totaled 11 games Under .500
Colts opponents have totaled 2 games Over .500

I understand what you are saying, but it's moreso how NE is simply dominating everyone. They literally may have the best offense any of us have EVER seen in our lifetimes.

[skate]

could be the best, but if Campbell can hit "a few", the skins can beatdown the Pats.

[harnesslover]

could be the best, but if Campbell can hit "a few", the skins can beatdown the Pats.

Well then you should be salivating over the 17 point spread..

Should be another massacre.. Campbell should be on his back more than a porn star on Sunday

[RaceBookJoe]

Pats/Skins game should be very interesting....great O against a hard hitting secondary. Every time Brady throws and his receivers enter AREA 51 ( for non-skins fans that is #21 Sean Taylor and #30 Laron Landry ) they are taking the chance to never be seen again. The pats should win but the skins will soften those receivers up a bit for the colts the following week.

[harnesslover]

could be the best, but if Campbell can hit "a few", the skins can beatdown the Pats.

If you took a 40 point teaser, you're looking good..

;)

[RaceBookJoe]

The Patriots are a machine. Instead of being embarrassed as a Redskin fan, i kind of sat in awe of the Pats.

[harnesslover]

The Patriots are a machine. Instead of being embarrassed as a Redskin fan, i kind of sat in awe of the Pats.

It is frightening to watch.. I had 3 thoughts after that game:

1) Why was Brady in during the 4th quarter up 35-0??

2) Is there really any reason to watch football after next Sunday at 4:15?

3) What will the spread be when the Pats host the Dolphins on 12/29?

[Ron]

That's ridiculous. The Colts try to do the same thing...run up the score. What ever happened to good sportsmanship? You'll never see teams like the Cowboys or Steelers do this...when they get a respectable lead they just put the ball on the ground.

[harnesslover]

That's ridiculous. The Colts try to do the same thing...run up the score. What ever happened to good sportsmanship? You'll never see teams like the Cowboys or Steelers do this...when they get a respectable lead they just put the ball on the ground.

Well, it's not intelligent from an injury standpoint either.. At some point, they are going to be in week 12 or 13 doing this crap and a team who is completely out of the playoffs is going to get pissed.. And whats a 15 yard roughing hte passer penalty and $10,000 fine to slam brady on his shoulder to a millionaire

[Dahoss9698]

Good sportsmanship? It's football, not badminton. You know the best way to not get beat by 40 points? Play better. I can't stand the Pats, but have no problem with the way they play. Football isn't a nice game. A lot can change in a few minutes and when you have your opponent down, you finish them.

[harnesslover]

Good sportsmanship? It's football, not badminton. You know the best way to not get beat by 40 points? Play better. I can't stand the Pats, but have no problem with the way they play. Football isn't a nice game. A lot can change in a few minutes and when you have your opponent down, you finish them.

I don't care about the sportsmanship part of it.. I agree you bury a team. But 35-0 in the 4th quarter and you have your franchise QB still in? Not smart.

Is it worth the risk of him getting hurt to win 52-7 instead of 35-7?

[Dahoss9698]

I don't care about the sportsmanship part of it.. I agree you bury a team. But 35-0 in the 4th quarter and you have your franchise QB still in? Not smart.

Is it worth the risk of him getting hurt to win 52-7 instead of 35-7?

Probably not. But IMO, you can't play scared. Brady has as much a chance of getting hurt in the first 5 minutes of the game as he does in the last 5 minutes.

[skate]

If you took a 40 point teaser, you're looking good..

;)


well, he hit both cheeks.

also, thats why we took the over.;) ;)

[RaceBookJoe]

It made no sense having Brady in there that long. If they took him out and the Skins scored 28 points they could put him back in, its not like baseball where once the pitcher is out, he is out for the rest of the game. The colts need to bring their A game and pressure brady, that is the only chance i think.