Your biggest fear as a handicapper

[Imriledup]

My biggest fear is seeing a horse who's dropping from the clouds, maybe a 40k claimer dropping to a 10k race, or a very good allowance horse, dropping in for the optional 62,500 price. My instinct is that, "well, something must be wrong".

I hate that my brain is automatically trained to think that the connections 'must know something'. Personally, i think there are plenty of uninformed owners and trainers and they just don't realize that there is nothing wrong with their horse and they shouldn't be dropping the animal so far in class, yet i'm automatically drawn to 'agree' with the entire world that the horse is damaged goods.

I think part of my fear is the fear of having one 'put over on me'. people wager on these big droppers or first time starters ....they don't want to feel like a sucker if that firster gets rammed down their throat.

When i see a horse dropping to a low claiming price, i'd LOVE to know how many claims are in on said horse. I'd love to let all the top, local claiming trainers to go over that animal with a fine tooth comb and let me know if they feel the horse is sound enough, for at least one more race. If that big dropper had 8 claims in on her, i wouldn't be as fast to bet against the animal.

[Greyfox]

When set to collect a good score, I find the time delay between
when a race is unofficial until it becomes official a nervous period.
Then if the inquiry sign goes up,...... dum da dum dum.

[john del riccio]

My answer is that I've read the "reality" of the race incorrectly.

John

[46zilzal]

One of the greatest lessons of Buddhist thought is the notion of divorcing oneself from emotional attachments to outcomes.
It is their belief that natural laws dictate cause and effect and to get caught up in an attachment thinking that will somehow change the ultimate outcome is a waste of time and energy.

Good idea, often hard to implement but it helps.

[Greyfox]

One of the greatest lessons of Buddhist thought is the notion of divorcing oneself from emotional attachments to outcomes.
It is their belief that natural laws dictate cause and effect and to get caught up in an attachment thinking that will somehow change the ultimate outcome is a waste of time and energy.

Good idea, often hard to implement but it helps.

I like that 46Z. Good point.
Maybe that's why I've never seen a Buddhist Monk in line to bet.
It's pretty hard to not have some type of emotional attachment when a big ticket is taken down by the Stewards.

[DanG]

Interesting question IRU…

No real handicapping fears, but…lets call these “concerns”, because the word fear can be a little detrimental to gamblers imo.




Concerned that elected officials may interfere with an adult’s right to gamble.
Concerned that racing as a whole may do something stupid with the collection of on track data.
Concerned that Ron Tiller / Ken Massa may get tired of this business and having to find another data provider who fits my approach.
Concerned that when my other 2 partners retire I won’t be able to find another group with such integrity.
Finally…Concerned that all of these years so close to a monitor I will wind up looking like the great Marty Feldman. :eek:
http://www.greatvwads.com/pix/pic28.jpg

[46zilzal]

If anyone wanted to design a face for comedy, they would have used his a the standard of reference. LOVED him in Young Frankenstein......."there wolf!" "That's okay with me, I'm easy!" "what hump?"

[jotb]

My biggest fear is seeing a horse who's dropping from the clouds, maybe a 40k claimer dropping to a 10k race, or a very good allowance horse, dropping in for the optional 62,500 price. My instinct is that, "well, something must be wrong".

I hate that my brain is automatically trained to think that the connections 'must know something'. Personally, i think there are plenty of uninformed owners and trainers and they just don't realize that there is nothing wrong with their horse and they shouldn't be dropping the animal so far in class, yet i'm automatically drawn to 'agree' with the entire world that the horse is damaged goods.

I think part of my fear is the fear of having one 'put over on me'. people wager on these big droppers or first time starters ....they don't want to feel like a sucker if that firster gets rammed down their throat.

When i see a horse dropping to a low claiming price, i'd LOVE to know how many claims are in on said horse. I'd love to let all the top, local claiming trainers to go over that animal with a fine tooth comb and let me know if they feel the horse is sound enough, for at least one more race. If that big dropper had 8 claims in on her, i wouldn't be as fast to bet against the animal.

Hello Imriledup:

Your "fear" about horses dropping from the clouds is understandable. I look at these type of horses as if they were mine. Take a look at how long the connections have the horse and see how much purse earnings the horse has made since the connections took over. Check to see how much the owner has paid (day rate, vet, farrier and other expenses) over the period of time. You won't get exact figures but close enough. The trainer is always trying to protect the interest and really don't want to get rid of any horse considering the fact they will lose that day rate. You would be surprised how many horses that drop way down the ladder have already paid their way and now with a drop like this could put them in the black if the horse wins if somebody takes the horse. The trainer explains to the owner I have this horse right and he probably has one good race left and we better jam him in and let someone drop a slip and let it be their problem. You only could get into a horses ankles x amount of time if the horse has an ankle or even a knee.

Dropping from alw ranks into an opt 62k is really not a bad drop especially if the horse has paid it's way. The horse probably ran out of it's alw conditions and the trainer want to put the horse in a spot where he thinks the horse won't be taken. Once again it's best to see how the horse has done for the connections taken into account the overhead. Another situation not to be afraid of is when a trainer claims a horse for say 25k and waits 30 days and drops the horse 1 level because if the horse wins and gets claimed the owner is out. It might have been a bad claim and they don't want to waste anytime so they put the horse in a spot where he can lay over the field.

I would always be concerned about horse dropping way down to a level where there is no way they can bail out. For example a trainer takes a horse for 25k and the horse is on the shelf a couple of months and then is entered in a 10k race. This is usually not a good sign. Another bad sign would be if a horse hits the board in it's last race and drops drastically in class running back within 15-30 days and the owner had originally claimed the horse 3 or 4 levels higher than todays race. At this point the owner knows he is not going to bail out and will suffer a huge loss. Very hard for an owner to accept but it's part of the game.

Joe

[098poi]

I don't know if it's a fear but maybe more of a downfall and that is the obvious horse. You know when you first scan the PP's and one horse sticks out, m/l favorite, etc.. What happens is I kind of discount it knowing it will go off at low odds and try to beat it. It may be a credible favorite where I should bet or stay away (because of no value), but this voice in my head says it's too obvious it probably won't win. (And many times does!)

The most excruciating part of this game for me is 2 mins to post. Talk about the longest 2 minutes in sports!

[Greyfox]

The most excruciating part of this game for me is 2 mins to post. Talk about the longest 2 minutes in sports!

Yes. And if that's the longest 2 minutes, the final furlong to the wire has to be the longest 12 or so seconds if your steed is on the lead and the pack is gaining.

[46zilzal]

I have, a few times in my life, had the confidence of Mohammed Ali when betting on a horse. NO ANXIETY at all as if I had willed the horse to win.

p.178 in The Greatest Show on Turf: A History of the Breeder's Cup, by Perry Lefko is my tale of wagering against Dancing Brave and muttering "Manila, Manila to the Whittingham entry" all the time wearing my red shirt explaining how D.B. would not handle the track at Anita.

The other time was the Derby right after my wife passed away and War Emblem was not going to be denied.

[bigmack]

I fear that EDahlman is playing the same tickets as I am. :mad:

[098poi]

Yes. And if that's the longest 2 minutes, the final furlong to the wire has to be the longest 12 or so seconds if your steed is on the lead and the pack is gaining.

I know that feeling. Sometimes I get angry at the race caller because it sounds like he is coaxing or willing a horse past mine. I know he's not but Im thinking "SHUT UP!!!!".

[whyhorseofcourse]

My fear is when I get shut out!
I am afraid my ticket will hit.
It happened to times the last 2 days.
Both would have taken me to the IRS window. :bang:

[badcompany]

When set to collect a good score, I find the time delay between
when a race is unofficial until it becomes official a nervous period.
Then if the inquiry sign goes up,...... dum da dum dum.

Similarly, when you're double-checking your ticket to make sure everything was punched in correctly.

With automated home betting, when you call to check your balance, there's always the fear that you might've done something wrong.

[cj]

To be a winner, you must have NO FEAR! Just think of it as monopoly money.

[Jeff P]

I've already lived through my greatest fear.

In January of this year Pinnacle pulled out of the US market. Like so many others I rushed to get my bankroll back by moving it from the offshore book (You always worry a little bit that a book might just disappear with your money one day) to Neteller where I thought it would be "safe" because now it was in the hands of a reputable publicly traded company. Wow. I couldn't have been more wrong about that whole fiasco. As it turns out my money would have been perfectly safe had I left it with the offshore book. A day or two later the DOJ handed down indictments against Neteller's two founders and Neteller was shut out of the US banking system. Viola - my greatest fear had come to pass: No access to my playing bankroll. I wasn't sure who was going to get to keep it... Neteller or the DOJ. At the time I was just about ready to offer even money that my money was going to somehow end up in Jon Kyle's anti-internet-gambling fund. It took almost 7 months and I feel extremely frigging fortunate that when the dust finally settled Neteller did the right thing and paid all of their US account holders.

After that, anything else that happens on a day to day basis while playing horses seems kind of trivial to me.


-jp

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[Tom]

My biggest fear is that the current morons who run this sport will ciontinue to do so. Between You Suck and TVG, I'm ready to go raise guppies! TVG, totally ignores post times as the 3 stooges sit there yapping like the dipsticks they really are. Three friigin morons to call races????? Meanwhiole, You Suck back to one size screen again - very very small or very very big and fuzzy.

My biggest fear is the people who run these shows actually think they have a clue what they are doing! :bang:

[alysheba88]

Not maximizing on my opinion

[DJofSD]

It makes no sense to worry about things you have no control over because there's nothing you can do about them, and why worry about things you do control? The activity of worrying keeps you immobilized. - Wayne Dyer.

[chickenhead]

clowns

[Gibbon]

...Monk in line to bet.... They are busy running for their very lives from emotional terrorists -->

Myanmar says 109 monks still detained after monastery raids. (http://newsinfo.inquirer.net/breakingnews/world/view_article.php?article_id=92850)

[Tape Reader]

Late money on a horse that I did not bet.

[dylbert]

It makes no sense to worry about things you have no control over because there's nothing you can do about them, and why worry about things you do control? The activity of worrying keeps you immobilized. - Wayne Dyer.I prefer Stuart Smalley, "I’m good enough, I’m smart enough, and dog-gone it, people like me." :lol:

[Robert Fischer]

You guys really have never had that recurring nightmare?
- the one where you are standing in line waiting to cash a voucher, and you realize you are in your underwear? :D


Honestly I fear for the sport. I turn on basic cable and there are no live horseracing programs. It isn't easy to find a newspaper article. The sport believes the solution to this problem is a mini casino:blush: . The marketing is dumb, deaf, and blind. You have startup businesses like TVG making a premium on something that the "League" should already have running twice a week on espn2. I worry that this money isn't going to be there, in the years down the road. I gripe about how much more fan-money would be in the pools if the sport could market itself and be popular.

[Greyfox]

To be a winner, you must have NO FEAR! Just think of it as monopoly money.


Hey cj,
Monopoly Money? From what I've observed at the track is that many bettors treat money as if it was from that board game.
Some of them can't afford that attitude at all.

I have no fear when I go to a golf course. I pay my fees for the day.
Grip it and rip it. Why not? I slice here. I hook there. I score poorly.
I am not a winner in the game, except that I walk off the course expecting to have enjoyed the experience. I win at that. The experience that is.
But the rate I paid, and the amount that I am playing for with my foursome
is within limits.

I think cj your advice here is well intended, as it seems to have always been.
From my observations, you are likely one of the very few true students of the game that capitalizes on the game and shares in this forum your insights.
Thank you.

Your most recent advice about "No Fear" though can only be meant for the sharpest of players. But I have reservations about those who visit the forum with a more gambling inclination than you do.
Let me comment.

Winning bettors probably think as you do.
By thought and experience, you seem have the "amunitions" to easily say:
"No Fear...Think of it as Monopoly Money."

Others, have testified to that. They love your numbers.
I admire you and I think that you are a winner and a bettor who wins.

Having said all that, I consider your advice to be:

"Very poorly thought out about considering it "Monopoly Money."

That is exactly the problem that gamblers have. Money isn't money.
It doesn't buy bread, pay the rent, bills or ..... and it's not going to buy them Board Walk and Hotels.....
Unfortunately when gamblers enter a casino, track or elsewhere, money doesn't seem like money. Hundreds or hours of earnings suddenly become a "chance," a thrill...a whatever....
They rationalize... "Why not. I earned it didn't I."
To the gambler, it seems like Monopoly money... in the meanwhile the kids and Mom...you get the picture....

With your good numbers, you may have discovered "automatic plays."
I'm definitely a numbers player, integrating pace and speed.
I fumble through quite well, week to week, and month to month.
I am not a heavy bettor. But I win.
So far I haven't hit an "automatics" way to play the game.
I'm a race by race player, specializing, to a point in Pick 3's.
Having said that, I am concerned about your "No Fear ...Monopoly Money."

The unfortunate part of racing is that too many people think of it as
"Monopoly Money" and by doing so they cheat the families that they have to support and go home to.

Sorry,cj while you may have not intended your advice that way,
I think the Monopoly Money maybe good for the strong player such as yourself, it is very questionable advice for those visiting his board who might treat money as if it was.
So, my advice au contraire is:
Hey Pal, until the other bases are covered including home, and you are a proven winner at this game....
That is Not Monopoly Money...Yes...have fear.

[Robert Goren]

Some longshot that has never been above sixth place in the first two calls will tie in to my lone speed horse and turns that 24 quarter into a 45 and change half. It seams like it aways happens.

[Tom]

Monopoly money - I agree with CJ.
You better have a bankroll of money you can afford to lose. If you depend on the last race tri to get dinner, you are in trouble. If your bankkroll is there to wage from only, then you can' t be afraid to pull the trigger using it.

[JohnGalt1]

My biggest fear is seeing a horse who's dropping from the clouds, maybe a 40k claimer dropping to a 10k race, or a very good allowance horse, dropping in for the optional 62,500 price. My instinct is that, "well, something must be wrong".

I hate that my brain is automatically trained to think that the connections 'must know something'. Personally, i think there are plenty of uninformed owners and trainers and they just don't realize that there is nothing wrong with their horse and they shouldn't be dropping the animal so far in class, yet i'm automatically drawn to 'agree' with the entire world that the horse is damaged goods.

I think part of my fear is the fear of having one 'put over on me'. people wager on these big droppers or first time starters ....they don't want to feel like a sucker if that firster gets rammed down their throat.

When i see a horse dropping to a low claiming price, i'd LOVE to know how many claims are in on said horse. I'd love to let all the top, local claiming trainers to go over that animal with a fine tooth comb and let me know if they feel the horse is sound enough, for at least one more race. If that big dropper had 8 claims in on her, i wouldn't be as fast to bet against the animal.


Though this is usually bad, there are two times when it is understandable.

1) An owner or trainer with many horses who drops one drastically to get a purse and doesn't care if he loses the horse.

2) This is something we can not know. I saw it at No. Calif. A $25k claimer in winning form--off recent wins--was dropped into a $6250 claiming race. It won by 6+ lengths. AND WAS NOT CLAIMED. Who wanted to claim a horse that obviously the trainer knew somthing was amiss?

Two weeks later in a $6250 starter allowance for horses that ran for that price within the year the horse ran again. He faced $4k-$8k horses or horses whose higher class races were earlier in the year and since went bad. The trainer gambled and won. Now his horse won again by 6+ lengths ina race he couldn't be claimed from!

[Imriledup]

Though this is usually bad, there are two times when it is understandable.

1) An owner or trainer with many horses who drops one drastically to get a purse and doesn't care if he loses the horse.

2) This is something we can not know. I saw it at No. Calif. A $25k claimer in winning form--off recent wins--was dropped into a $6250 claiming race. It won by 6+ lengths. AND WAS NOT CLAIMED. Who wanted to claim a horse that obviously the trainer knew somthing was amiss?

Two weeks later in a $6250 starter allowance for horses that ran for that price within the year the horse ran again. He faced $4k-$8k horses or horses whose higher class races were earlier in the year and since went bad. The trainer gambled and won. Now his horse won again by 6+ lengths ina race he couldn't be claimed from!

I think that sometimes when a huge dropper isn't claimed, its usually a trainer that's a 'known cheater' and other trainers stay far away from said horse because they know whatever chemical the current trainer is giving the horse, they aren't going to be able to match that.

[Greyfox]

clowns

Funny you would say that. :lol:

[NoDayJob]

My biggest fear is having a coronary and dying just as my horse crosses the wire at 250-1 odds. :D

[Greyfox]

Monopoly money - I agree with CJ.
You better have a bankroll of money you can afford to lose. If you depend on the last race tri to get dinner, you are in trouble. If your bankkroll is there to wage from only, then you can' t be afraid to pull the trigger using it.


Your point is well taken. Let me soften my remarks about Monopoly Money.
There are a select few at the track who have a legitimate bank roll, who keep meticulous book keeping records, and who in general win at the game. For them the Monopoly Money approach makes good sense and I have no knock about it. I can see where you and cj are coming from. :ThmbUp:

There are also a large number at the track who do not have a bank roll. They are pulling from a wage, pension, or welfare check. There is a subset of this group who may win and then they start using the Money as if it is Monopoly Paper. That is a huge mistake. It's sad to see them going to the bank machines after the fifth race when they really can't afford to do so.:ThmbDown:

So while the advice is good for the "Pro" or Winning Horseplayer, it ain't so good for a large number of people that support the hay burners.
The problem may be recognizing what type of player you really are. That may be easier said than done.

[Dan Montilion]

You guys really have never had that recurring nightmare?
- the one where you are standing in line waiting to cash a voucher, and you realize you are in your underwear? :D




No. But I have had a dream where I'm standing in line trying to sell my underwear so I could buy a voucher. Not much of a market however.

[chickenhead]

ok...new biggest fear, being behind Dan Montilion in the voucher line.

[Tom]

My biggest fear is having a coronary and dying just as my horse crosses the wire at 250-1 odds. :D

And there I would be, picking up your dropped ticket and announcing to the grieving crowd..."Hey! He's alive!":lol:

[michiken]

How about having a large enough bank roll to quit your day job and then going on a 0-500 losing streak?

OUCH!

[ALL CIRCUITS GO]

My greatest fear is that everyone will start keeping accurate records of their wagers, discover their own weaknesses, and adjust their betting accordingly, and never again mindlessly inflate the pools I play into.

[Steve 'StatMan']

I've come to realize I'll never be able to do every single thing I would like to try to do with this game. Too many wishes, too many thoughts, too many things I'd like to try and test. I know I need to focus on just a few things - hopefully the right ones, but I still think there are a couple things I could add that, if they worked and I kept up with it, might be a good 'separator'.

However, my fear is that I may not end up taking the time to get enough of the pieces fully covered to my satisfaction before enough things happen that I'll never end up having everything 'compete enough' and enjoy long-lasting success. Maybe I'll mess up and continue to get too involved with other people and their problems, or maybe spend too much time in the Off Topic forum and other time-drainers, or I'll flat out pass away, or the industry will change seriously enough that much of that work will be negated. (i.e. my main circuit won't last, my backup circuits might change, the feds or my state government will screw it all up, the riverboats will get driven out by an anti-gambling revolt that sweeps racing away with it, etc.)

Well, thanks for a thread to put it in words, get it expressed, and ponder what I can do to get more out of the available time left. I'm only 48, 'should' have lots of years left, but the game keeps changing, the technology gets better and I keep staying too busy working and don't make significant personal advances like I used to.

[RaceBookJoe]

My biggest fear is that those two young kids Andy Beyer and Tom Brohamer will write books about speed and pace and crush my mutuals. Oh crap its not 1972 anymore, I guess I just have to work little bit harder. :bang:

[DanG]

I've come to realize I'll never be able to do every single thing I would like to try to do with this game. Too many wishes, too many thoughts, too many things I'd like to try and test. I know I need to focus on just a few things - hopefully the right ones, but I still think there are a couple things I could add that, if they worked and I kept up with it, might be a good 'separator'.

However, my fear is that I may not end up taking the time to get enough of the pieces fully covered to my satisfaction before enough things happen that I'll never end up having everything 'compete enough' and enjoy long-lasting success. Maybe I'll mess up and continue to get too involved with other people and their problems, or maybe spend too much time in the Off Topic forum and other time-drainers, or I'll flat out pass away, or the industry will change seriously enough that much of that work will be negated. (i.e. my main circuit won't last, my backup circuits might change, the feds or my state government will screw it all up, the riverboats will get driven out by an anti-gambling revolt that sweeps racing away with it, etc.)

Well, thanks for a thread to put it in words, get it expressed, and ponder what I can do to get more out of the available time left. I'm only 48, 'should' have lots of years left, but the game keeps changing, the technology gets better and I keep staying too busy working and don't make significant personal advances like I used to.
Thanks for these thoughts Steve… :ThmbUp:

There is sound / mature truth in every sentence of this post imho.

[Imriledup]

My biggest fear is having a coronary and dying just as my horse crosses the wire at 250-1 odds. :D

Actually, my biggest fear is dying in some non descript and anonymous way. I'd PREFER to die with a big ticket in my hand celebrating a horse racing win! My last words before i die would be, "i told you bastards i knew what i was talking aboutttttttttttttttt"

:lol:

[trigger]

Actually, my biggest fear is dying in some non descript and anonymous way. I'd PREFER to die with a big ticket in my hand celebrating a horse racing win! My last words before i die would be, "i told you bastards i knew what i was talking aboutttttttttttttttt"

:lol:

Profound!!:D

[Tampa Russ]

I've come to realize I'll never be able to do every single thing I would like to try to do with this game. Too many wishes, too many thoughts, too many things I'd like to try and test. I know I need to focus on just a few things - hopefully the right ones, but I still think there are a couple things I could add that, if they worked and I kept up with it, might be a good 'separator'.

However, my fear is that I may not end up taking the time to get enough of the pieces fully covered to my satisfaction before enough things happen that I'll never end up having everything 'compete enough' and enjoy long-lasting success. Maybe I'll mess up and continue to get too involved with other people and their problems, or maybe spend too much time in the Off Topic forum and other time-drainers, or I'll flat out pass away, or the industry will change seriously enough that much of that work will be negated. (i.e. my main circuit won't last, my backup circuits might change, the feds or my state government will screw it all up, the riverboats will get driven out by an anti-gambling revolt that sweeps racing away with it, etc.)

Well, thanks for a thread to put it in words, get it expressed, and ponder what I can do to get more out of the available time left. I'm only 48, 'should' have lots of years left, but the game keeps changing, the technology gets better and I keep staying too busy working and don't make significant personal advances like I used to.

Holy crap! I'm 48 as well, and it's like you were reading my mind. Thanks for the excellent post.

[Sherry]

If video killed the radio star, polytrack killed the capper. My biggest fear is that synthetic surfaces will kill my elan, my verve. I could lose my moxie!

[Capper Al]

Not being able to walk out of the track with all my winnings unnoticed.

[Cratos]

I am a gambler and share the biggest fear that most gamblers have and that is the fear of being wrong. Good gamblers win by having a good decision-making process and don’t fear the loss of the bet as much as he/she of being wrong.

[shanta]

Being surrounded by naked long legged blond chicks and not being able to concentrate on racing

[Jeff P]

Richie, Yeah but if you immerse yourself in a hostile environment like that it only makes you stronger.

-jp

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[Tom]

Not being able to walk out of the track with all my winnings unnoticed.

You mean by pick pockets? :D

[shanta]

Richie, Yeah but if you immerse yourself in a hostile environment like that it only makes you stronger.

-jp

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Jeff
We could make a special Udm with Jcapper to be used in such "trying times" man!

Damn your program is good :)
Richie

[DJofSD]

Richie, Yeah but if you immerse yourself in a hostile environment like that it only makes you stronger.


You must be referring to Nietzche. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Friedrich_Nietzsche)

[mountainman]

Since I'm a low-tech, intuitive handicapper with core beliefs tracing far back to Ainslie's comprehensive teachings, Im sometimes concerned that the game could pass me by. A tv analyst should draw from a broad base of knowledge , so I do read up on new ideas, even those I'm skeptical of. The line is thin between being flexible and too easily swayed. Conversely, many successful players take specialized approaches targeting specific situations, but would lack the overall knowledge-and indeed open-mindedness-to well serve a diverse audience as a tv analyst.

[DeanT]

Mark,

Keep doing what you are doing :)

Question: Do you make the ML at Mountaineer? If not, who does? It's quite good, imo.

[mountainman]

Mark,

Keep doing what you are doing :)

Question: Do you make the ML at Mountaineer? If not, who does? It's quite good, imo.

Yes, in addition to my tv duties I work as Mnr's ast. racing secretary and also do the program odds. The later is a thankless job that I'd equate with umpiring a baseball game. You only get noticed for mistakes. I do think an understanding of how the public wagers enables me to detect unusual tote action, and to estimate closing odds for viewers well before post time, which should be helpful since Mnr's tote board shifts so much in the final minutes.

[dav4463]

My 9-1 shot that I bet at 2 mtp ends up 5-2 as the race is starting.

[dav4463]

Being surrounded by naked long legged blond chicks and not being able to concentrate on racing


Sounds like friday nights at Lone Star Park's party at the park!

[njcurveball]

If you take this question at face value, I cannot see why the #1 answer wrote here is placing a bet on a winner and then finding out it was not accepted. For those on-track people this is the equivalent of getting shut out.

I am sure I am in the majority here of on-line players who has punched the ticket and hit the button to play it only to find out the bet was not accepted.

The toughest beat here was when I played an exacta wheel over 2 horses and one of the bets was accepted and one was not. I still have not got an explanation on that one, but of course the bet that did not get accepted was the winner. And no larceny implied here as it was not accepted right after the gate opened.

[FUGITIVE77]

Biggest fear is everytime I figure it out the industry changes and you must be prepared to change with it or be left behind. There was a time when my biggest worry was how to get out of Dodge with the cheese, but that was a much simpler time.