No ADWs in DC either?

[cj]

I have heard from a friend accounts in DC have been closed. At least one person said their former BRIS account was changed to Betpad when CD took over, but that was cancelled. Also, no dice with Youbet or PTC. Anyone have further info?

[Premier Turf Club]

This is the exact wording from section 22-1708 of the Criminal Code for DC as listed on www.westlaw.com: (http://www.westlaw.com:)

"It shall be unlawful for any person, or association of persons, within the District of Columbia to purchase, possess, own, or acuire any chance, right, or interest, tangible or intangible, in any policy lottery or any lottery, or to make or place a bet or wager, accept a bet or wager, gamble or make books or pools on the result of any athletic contest. For the purpose of this section, the term "athletic contest" means any of the following, wherever held or to be held: a football, baseball, softball, basketball, hockey, or polo game, or a tennis, golf, or wrestling match, or a tennis or golf tournament, or a prize fight or boxing match, or a trotting or running race of horses, or a running race of dogs, or any other athletic or sporting event or contest. Any person or association of persons violating this section shall be fined not more than $1,000 or imprisoned not more than 180 days, or both."



There isn't much in the way of case history in D.C.. I personally don't know of any ADW that's received an A.G. letter (or similar) for taking D.C. customers. Our attorneys advised us it's probably grey and that almost uniformly ADWs wouldn't allow it. We've actually never gotten a D.C. app.

Ian

[trigger]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/09/29/AR2007092901631.html

Internet Shuts Out D.C. Horseplayers

By John Scheinman
Special to The Washington Post
Sunday, September 30, 2007; Page D08

As of Wednesday, horseplayers in Washington no longer were allowed to place bets via the Internet through advanced deposit wagering accounts. While no apparent law, federal or city, has been passed preventing the betting, advance account wagering company Youbet.com shut down on its customers in the middle of the opening-day card of the Oak Tree at Santa Anita meet, posting a note on its Web site saying District residents are no longer eligible to wager, according to Washington-based customers of the site.

Other advance account wagering companies also signed off.

TrackNet Media, an online joint venture between Magna Entertainment, which owns Laurel Park and Pimlico, and Churchill Downs Inc., does not operate in Washington.

Jeff True, president of United Tote, a manufacturing and operating division of Youbet.com, said he was unaware of the cutoff of wagering in Washington but pointed to a similar shutdown that went into effect Sept. 19 in Arizona because of a new state law that made it illegal to wager on horse racing anywhere in the state except at a racetrack or off-track betting site.

Youbet.com also faces a lawsuit filed last week by Colonial Downs and horsemen in Virginia for operating in the state and taking wagers on Colonial races without a license.

True referred questions about wagering in Washington to Youbet.com staff lawyer Dan Perini, who could not be reached to comment.

Maryland Jockey Club President Lou Raffetto said Youbet.com has not operated in Maryland since May 1, when its contract expired. Maryland bettors are able to bet via TrackNet Media Web sites, but cannot access certain tracks, such as Belmont Park, which are under contract with Youbet.com and TVG, another site.


Richard Prosten, a Youbet.com customer in Northwest Washington, said when he called to complain to Youbet.com about being shut down, he was routed to a representative in the Netherlands Antilles, where the company is based, but was unable to get any information.

"I was startled," Prosten said when the message flashed across his computer screen saying he could no longer wager on races from Washington. "I gaped at it."

[john del riccio]

CJ,

Whats the real estate like in Belguim, this is getting rediculous !

John

[cj]

I think the best options are Canada and Poland.

[GMB@BP]

This is what I was referring to when people said "who cares about arizona". I bet if you go and look at most states laws it is written very ambiguous such as this and leaves it up to interpretation to the states. Now that it seems you get some high and mighty law makers and you could have some national issues. Dont they really need to clarify and update the interstate horse racing act, but then again maybe that would be racings deathnail.

[Indulto]

I think the best options are Canada and Poland.Perhaps Paderewski the pianist played the ponies?

[cj]

Perhaps Paderewski the pianist played the ponies?

:confused:

[Indulto]

:confused:
I’m amazed one successful Polish twinkler of keyboards didn’t recognize another. ;)

http://info-poland.buffalo.edu/classroom/paderewski/tg.html (http://info-poland.buffalo.edu/classroom/paderewski/tg.html)

Unless you were being … , why is Poland an inviting country for horseplayers? :confused: :confused:

[kenwoodallpromos]

"Besides being a catalyst for the spread of lotteries to raise needed funds for the military, Washington was the first president to buy lottery tickets, purchasing 20 tickets (at six shillings each) for a 1790 lottery that would help finance the paving of streets in Alexandria, Va.

In 1793, he bought tickets for himself and family friends in a lottery organized by Commissioners of the District of Columbia, for "improvement of the Federal City."

[trigger]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/09/29/AR2007092901631.html

Internet Shuts Out D.C. Horseplayers

By John Scheinman
Special to The Washington Post
Sunday, September 30, 2007; Page D08


Richard Prosten, a Youbet.com customer in Northwest Washington, said when he called to complain to Youbet.com about being shut down, he was routed to a representative in the Netherlands Antilles, where the company is based, but was unable to get any information.
"I was startled," Prosten said when the message flashed across his computer screen saying he could no longer wager on races from Washington. "I gaped at it."

"CJ:I think the best options are Canada and Poland.
CJ,
Whats the real estate like in Belguim, this is getting rediculous !
John"


It looks like Youbet already left:rolleyes:

[cj]

I’m amazed one successful Polish twinkler of keyboards didn’t recognize another. ;)

http://info-poland.buffalo.edu/classroom/paderewski/tg.html (http://info-poland.buffalo.edu/classroom/paderewski/tg.html)

Unless you were being … , why is Poland an inviting country for horseplayers? :confused: :confused:

Hmmm, I thought I was American. :blush:

Poland is a cheap place to live. There is mass emigration from Poland to Western Europe. I doubt very much they care about betting horse racing online either.

[Indulto]

Hmmm, I thought I was American. :blush:

Poland is a cheap place to live. There is mass emigration from Poland to Western Europe. I doubt very much they care about betting horse racing online either.Hmmm, I thought you were a chops buster like me. :cool:

[NoCal Boy]

I believe Youbet moved some (most or all?) of their customer service to Curacao (where IRG is located) as a cost-cutting measure. IRG uses live phone operators and there is capacity there to take on more responsibility and calls.

[NoCal Boy]

The Thoroughbred Times article indicated that the Oregon Racing Commission undertook a study of state laws and determined the DC laws did not permit parimutuel wagering. The statute seems pretty clear as Ian posted earlier.

The good thing to take away from the article was the statement from Youbet that DC was the only jurisdiction that the ORC requested it cease taking wagers in.

[Gibbon]

Updated Wash. Post article initially posted here by trigger.

Horse racing fans in the District whose Internet advanced deposit wagering accounts were shut off last week can thank the racing commission in Oregon.

Friday, October 5, 2007
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/10/04/AR2007100402207.html?sub=new

[Pace Cap'n]

Some selected quotes from an article in the Washington Post...

"Last week, I was betting Belmont [Park], and I wasn't betting much," said Mike Soper, 56, a restaurant chef who lives near Dupont Circle. "I'm betting early in the card, maybe the third or fourth race, and when I got back on for the ninth I couldn't bet. In the middle of the day, they decided this was illegal and they couldn't take bets."

The District criminal code states that it is unlawful to "place a bet or wager, accept a bet or wager, gamble or make books or pools on the result of any athletic contest." The code lists "trotting or running race of horses" among regulated events.

...................................

The spokesman declined to reveal the number of accounts held by District residents, or the amount of money they wagered. Results released in June by the Oregon Racing Commission showed the five advanced account wagering operators conducting business through that state handled $268.2 million dollars in the first quarter of the year.

....................................

Youbet.com faces a lawsuit by Colonial Downs in New Kent County, Va., and state horsemen for operating in the state and taking wagers on Colonial races without a license.

Who would be the five ADW operators? Which state are they saying handled the 268.2M?

www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/NewsSearch?sb=-1&st=John%20Scheinman& (http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/NewsSearch?sb=-1&st=John%20Scheinman&)

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