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46zilzal
09-28-2007, 12:02 PM
Childrens do learn," Bush tells school kids

NEW YORK (Reuters) - Offering a grammar lesson guaranteed to make any English teacher cringe, President George W. Bush told a group of New York school kids on Wednesday: "Childrens do learn."

Bush made his latest grammatical slip-up at a made-for-TV event where he urged Congress to reauthorize the No Child Left Behind Act, the centrepiece of his education policy, as he touted a new national report card on improved test scores.

The event drew New York Mayor Michael Bloomberg, Education Secretary Margaret Spellings plus teachers and about 20 fourth and fifth graders from P.S. 76.

During his first presidential campaign, Bush -- who promised to be the "education president" -- once asked: "Is our children learning?"

PaceAdvantage
09-28-2007, 12:22 PM
Must be a slow news day. Bush is out in a year...nobody cares anymore.

46zilzal
09-28-2007, 12:24 PM
Must be a slow news day. Bush is out in a year...nobody cares anymore.
But he is really consistent!!

Tom
09-28-2007, 12:52 PM
So are you. And Letterman, the fool.

It's one thing to jumble your words when public speaking, it is quite another to sit and wait for it to happen so you jump in and mock the guy. It shows a lack of character in very small people.

46zilzal
09-28-2007, 01:15 PM
When one makes a habit out of it, there is a strong suspicion that it is intrinsic to the speaker, as in this case.

from Dubya speaks: "I thought an interesting comment was made when somebody said to me, I heard somebody say, now where's Mandela? Well, Mandela's dead, because Saddam Hussein killed all the Mandelas."

And at the time of this quote, Nelson Mandela was alive and Saddam Hussein was dead. White House, Sep. 20, 2007

Greyfox
09-28-2007, 01:34 PM
No problem. Verbal dyslexia will not be noticed if he accepts this offer.:lol:


TEHRAN, Iran: Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad has extended an invitation to U.S. President George W. Bush to speak at an Iranian university if the American leader ever traveled to the Islamic Republic, state-run television reported Friday.
http://www.iht.com/bin/print.php?id=7670210:lol: :lol:

Greyfox
09-28-2007, 01:39 PM
While speaking at the Iran University, maybe he can tell them that
there are no nukes or homosexuals at a ranch in Crawford, Tex. :lol:

Tom
09-28-2007, 01:50 PM
When one makes a habit out of it, there is a strong suspicion that it is intrinsic to the speaker, as in this case.

from Dubya speaks: "I thought an interesting comment was made when somebody said to me, I heard somebody say, now where's Mandela? Well, Mandela's dead, because Saddam Hussein killed all the Mandelas."

And at the time of this quote, Nelson Mandela was alive and Saddam Hussein was dead. White House, Sep. 20, 2007

I really find it hard to believe you did not understand that comment. It was very clear to me what he was saying. Think about it. It was NOT a mis-speak.
And I don't have a doctorate.:D

46zilzal
09-28-2007, 02:17 PM
ah yes, another gem: "It's sad -- that we live in a time when a talented and honorable person, like, uhh, Alberto Gonzales, is impeding from doin' important work, because his good name was dragged through the -- mud for political reasons."

-- the White House transcript corrected Dubya's flub to say "impeded". Waco, Texas, Aug. 27, 2007

Tom
09-28-2007, 02:25 PM
You really have problems. Your elitist attitude demeans anything worthwhile you might post. Why do you feel the need to belittle others? Are you that insecure.

Maji
09-28-2007, 02:32 PM
Tom,

I think a better analogy would have been to use a martyr instead of a living person.

The answer to the question where's Mandela now... Alive in South Africa. I think a better analogy is warranted from the leader of the free world.

46zilzal
09-28-2007, 02:34 PM
You really have problems. Your elitist attitude demeans anything worthwhile you might post. Why do you feel the need to belittle others? Are you that insecure.
No I continually point out this clown's stupidity, in all arenas, as it has cost thousands of lives. Benign stupidity, like the Ken Ream award winners of the world, do no harm except to their own validity.

"I would readily concede to you this is a difficult issue because the reason there is tax preferences in the first place are there are powerful interests that have worked to get the preference in the code."
-- Washington, D.C., Aug. 9, 2007

kenwoodallpromos
09-28-2007, 02:40 PM
Tom,

I think a better analogy would have been to use a martyr instead of a living person.

The answer to the question where's Mandela now... Alive in South Africa. I think a better analogy is warranted from the leader of the free world.
Bush's Mandela is in the abstract- or do libs just forget Hussein's ethnic and rival cleansing so soon?

kenwoodallpromos
09-28-2007, 02:42 PM
No problem. Verbal dyslexia will not be noticed if he accepts this offer.:lol:


TEHRAN, Iran: Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad has extended an invitation to U.S. President George W. Bush to speak at an Iranian university if the American leader ever traveled to the Islamic Republic, state-run television reported Friday.
http://www.iht.com/bin/print.php?id=7670210:lol: :lol:
Of course a mad ninja invited Bush to speak- because the University is not allowed to decide who speaks freely in Iran!! Point proven!!

46zilzal
09-28-2007, 02:55 PM
"The purpose of government is to make it more possible for people to realize dreams, and to enhance the entrepreneurial spirit. That has been the policies of this administration and it will continue to be the policies of this administration."
-- Washington, D.C., Aug. 8, 2007

Tom
09-28-2007, 03:37 PM
Tom,

I think a better analogy would have been to use a martyr instead of a living person.

The answer to the question where's Mandela now... Alive in South Africa. I think a better analogy is warranted from the leader of the free world.

Bush and I disagree. It would not have had any effect had the name Mandella been used first, then another name use din the answer.

46zilzal
09-28-2007, 03:41 PM
Also, why does the clown need all that coin if he is withdrawing troops? Could it be that his pals need their payoff for all of that reconstruction? Hmmmm

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/09/28/opinion/28fri1.html?hp

Tom
09-28-2007, 03:42 PM
46 - do you laugh at blind people, people in wheel chairs?
Your level of maturity is the only thing resembling stupid in this thread.

This dummy ( to you) has not only beaten the dems twice in a row, and continues to have his way even without control of Congress, he is now advising the dem candidates on Iraq policy through back door sources, and they arew begining to change thier rhetoric. They aree now saying that a timeline to get out is not possible becasue they do not know what the conditions on the ground there will be once they (if they) get into office. Or we have called it all along....The BUSH POLICY!

Yep - stupidest thing I've ever seen is guys like YOU calling this guy stupid. :lol::lol::lol: Maybe you should start mis-speaking...couldn't hurt!

46zilzal
09-28-2007, 03:46 PM
46 - do you laugh at blind people, people in wheel chairs?

Nope, only go after the bottom of the barrel idiots who drag people into needless conflicts and get them killed for nothing.

Then pays off his OIL buddies with their sacrifices.

Wow I want to talk JUST like this! Wouldn't that impress everyone?

"We talked about the need to stem the narcotics trade. I'm sure the President will comment on this. He understands that it's very important for farmers to be incented to grow crops other than poppy, and that he knows full well the United States is watching, measuring and trying to help eradicate poppy cultivation."
-- Camp David, Maryland, Aug. 6, 2007

harnesslover
09-28-2007, 05:25 PM
Nope, only go after the bottom of the barrel idiots who drag people into needless conflicts and get them killed for nothing.

Then pays off his OIL buddies with their sacrifices.

Wow I want to talk JUST like this! Wouldn't that impress everyone?

"We talked about the need to stem the narcotics trade. I'm sure the President will comment on this. He understands that it's very important for farmers to be incented to grow crops other than poppy, and that he knows full well the United States is watching, measuring and trying to help eradicate poppy cultivation."
-- Camp David, Maryland, Aug. 6, 2007

It's not isolated my man:

"I'm not going to have some reporters pawing through our papers. We are the president." - Hilary Clinton

"Politics gives guys so much power that they tend to behave badly around women. And I hope I never get into that." - Bill Clinton

"The president has kept all of the promises he intended to keep. - Clinton aide George Stephanopolous

"If we don't succeed, we run the risk of failure."
--Bill Clinton, President

hcap
09-28-2007, 06:03 PM
"If we don't succeed, we run the risk of failure."

-- Unknown. This has been attributed to:
Al Gore, Bill Clinton, George Bush
(Sr. and Jr.), and Dan Quayle

Don't attempt to equate bush malapropisms to Clinton's.
That's a losing bet.

Is you learnt that yet?

46zilzal
09-28-2007, 06:30 PM
3800 dead as of this week.........

PaceAdvantage
09-29-2007, 01:57 AM
3800 dead as of this week......... http://www.usdr.org/index2.php?option=com_content&do_pdf=1&id=69

Dave Schwartz
09-29-2007, 02:26 AM
46,

Your collegue, Sigmund, would have a field day here.


('Course he really is dead.)


:bang:

hcap
09-29-2007, 06:53 AM
Sigmund would do a further analysis Dave. Also would have a field day with the psychosis known as Clintondidittoo

Breakdown of deaths due to accidents, disease, or other non-combat reasons.

In the 1980's this was usually around 2000 per year. In the 1990's, this number fell to under 1000 per year. Then again the total size of the military shrank when the Cold War ended.

The Congressional Research Service released a pretty thorough report on this. You can view it here:

http://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/natsec/RL32492.pdf

Tables on page 10 and 11. It gives a pretty good year by year breakdown based on cause of death.

Clintondidittoo
Clintondidittoo
Clintondidittoo
Clintondidittoo

Tom
09-29-2007, 09:52 AM
...when I saw that in 1980, during the reign of President "Nobel Peace Prize" Bill Clinton,


Huh?
Say whaaaat?

hcap
09-30-2007, 05:48 AM
Verbal dsylexic strikes again

"News out of the White House: the press office gives President Bush phonetic pronunciations for those tough-to-pronounce countries like Kyrgyzstan. The proof came when a copy of Bush’s UN speech (complete with pronunciation key) found its way onto the UN website. Exercising its influence over the United Nations, the White House quickly had it removed. Dana Perino dismissed questions yesterday in the Press Room about the incident as “offensive.”

The punchline- Bush STILL mispronounced Kyrgyzstan in the speech.

Greyfox
09-30-2007, 10:05 AM
The punchline- Bush STILL mispronounced Kyrgyzstan in the speech.

And how many of us would pronounce Kyrgyzstan correctly? :lol:

hcap
09-30-2007, 10:26 AM
And how many of us would pronounce Kyrgyzstan correctly? :lol:

All of us. This is the phonetic guide that he had.

• Kyrgyzstan [KEYR-geez-stan]
• Mauritania [moor-EH-tain-ee-a]
• Harare [hah-RAR-ray]
• Mugabe [moo-GAH-bee]
• Sarkozy [sar-KO-zee]
• Caracas [kah-RAH-kus]

Face it, the man is losing it

sar-KO-zee gets to eat freedom fries.

PaceAdvantage
10-02-2007, 12:53 AM
Face it, the man is losing itI thought you said he lost it already, a long, long time ago...

Lefty
10-02-2007, 11:34 AM
Bill Clinton, when Pres, said this on BET TV. "Black people watch T.V. just like regular people do."

46zilzal
10-02-2007, 12:19 PM
Should add that the rutabaga is a moral dyslexic as well.

hcap
10-02-2007, 02:26 PM
Clintondidittoo
Clintondidittoo
Clintondidittoo
Clintondidittoo

So you think Clinton is as dyslexic as bush?
Clinton is no angel, but has been known to speak without cue cards, more than 2 broken sentences at a time.

46zilzal
10-02-2007, 02:34 PM
Let's see One is a Rhodes scholar and the other is a silver spooner with no reason to study since his career was given to him.

NoDayJob
10-02-2007, 02:36 PM
Politicians have a habit of opening their mouths and Bull$h!t spews forth, regardless of party affiliation. :lol:

NoDayJob
10-02-2007, 02:41 PM
Let's see One is a Rhodes scholar and the other is a silver spooner with no reason to study since his career was given to him.

Didn't President Clinton drop out? Rhodes scholar vs. Roads scholar? :D

46zilzal
10-02-2007, 04:28 PM
Kris Kristofferson, Wesley Clarke, David Souter and William Jefferson Clinton were all recipeints.

Tom
10-02-2007, 05:13 PM
The gap between academia and the real world is a hard one to bridge.
Bush, academically superior to Kerry, also proved more successful in the ral world. A baseball analogy would be "Steeeeeeeeeeerike 2!"

GaryG
10-02-2007, 05:24 PM
Kris Kristofferson, Wesley Clarke, David Souter and William Jefferson Clinton were all recipeints.Guess they didn't teach him the meaning of the word "is".

Lefty
10-02-2007, 05:31 PM
zilly, get your facts strght. Clinton dropped out.
You are saying Bush has no morals while your hero Clinton committed adultry on several occassions and lied to a judge.
Meanwhile Bush is fighting terrorists. You are a friggin socialist who hasn't got the guts to engage in a debate. You have gone too far, saying Bush is immoral. That's just the opinion of one who hates capitalism. And on this board, I don't see too many who value your opinion.

shanta
10-02-2007, 05:35 PM
Guess they didn't teach him the meaning of the word "is".
:lol: :lol:

46zilzal
10-02-2007, 05:40 PM
Let's see one gets a hummer and the other gets 3800 and counting killed...TOUGH choice.

One has functioning grey matter, the other can't speak intelligently, nor make intelligent decisions either.

Lefty
10-02-2007, 05:40 PM
Clintondidittoo
Clintondidittoo
Clintondidittoo
Clintondidittoo

So you think Clinton is as dyslexic as bush?
Clinton is no angel, but has been known to speak without cue cards, more than 2 broken sentences at a time.
Yeah, he has been known to drone on for hrs and not say anything meaningful, except, 'I worked harder than I ever have in my life, and just can't give you that middleclass tax cut.'
Actions spk louder than words. Terrorists on the run in Iraq. Saddam is gone. No more attacks here and the economy is strong strong. Bush did that. And oh yeah, EVERYBODY that PAID taxes got a tax cut.

46zilzal
10-02-2007, 05:43 PM
Economy is strong for the multi-national corporations who are favored at every turn. Look at the mortgage market lately?

Terrorists on the run??? That's easy when one invades the WRONG country. The clowns are still alive and well on the Pakistan-Afgahn border.

Why he can't even read.http://www.thenation.com/doc/20001009/hitchens

Lefty
10-02-2007, 06:02 PM
Yes, tragic that people get killed to save the likes of you, but millions others saved too.
The economy is strong and you say it only helps the wealthy? I thght you said you were educated. Well, a lot of idiots in the 50's that thght communism was soooo good were educated too. Hmmm...

46zilzal
10-02-2007, 06:15 PM
Yup those poor old clowns who gave most things away (to their pals), did a lot of good for the national debt.

Even old Tricky Dick did a better job of hiding it.

46zilzal
10-02-2007, 06:18 PM
from the International Herald Tribune.

The Age of Turbulence: Adventures in a New World," Greenspan describes the Bush administration as so captive to its own political operation that it paid little attention to fiscal discipline, and he described Bush's first two Treasury secretaries, Paul O'Neill and John Snow, as essentially powerless.

also
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/01/24/AR2006012401163.html

Bush the Incompetent

By Harold Meyerson
Wednesday, January 25, 2006

Incompetence is not one of the seven deadly sins, and it's hardly the worst attribute that can be ascribed to George W. Bush. But it is this president's defining attribute. Historians, looking back at the hash that his administration has made of his war in Iraq, his response to Hurricane Katrina and his Medicare drug plan, will have to grapple with how one president could so cosmically botch so many big things -- particularly when most of them were the president's own initiatives.

http://whatdoiknow.typepad.com/what_do_i_know/2005/09/70_say_bush_inc.html

Lefty
10-02-2007, 07:06 PM
The national debt goes up and down. The economy is humming and you socialists hate the man responsible. You worry about simple word mispronanciations and not the big things. It it was up to you Saddam would be alive and well and running THIS country. Thank GOD it's not up to you. This economy has helped everyone that has the gumption to try and help themselves. Hell it has even helped the bums because most of us have more money for charity.

JustRalph
10-02-2007, 08:29 PM
you use Kris Kristofferson as an example?

Next you will be quoting the noted drug addict/convicted Felon, and left wing activist Steve Earle

How about Kristofferson's peers..........

Johnny Cash ( who as a musician I think was groundbreaking)
Jerry Lee Lewis

How about Neal Young? Canadian , right up your alley........look hard, you will find that they all have one thing in common...........

Tom
10-02-2007, 10:35 PM
So you think Clinton is as dyslexic as bush?
Clinton is no angel, but has been known to speak without cue cards, more than 2 broken sentences at a time.



Yes, hcap, like in this example: "I did not have sex with that woman, Miss Lewinski!" No mumbled words here. Not an ounce of truth, but no mumbled words. :lol: Look, face, Billy Boy is a lying SOS and cannot be believed in any circumstances. If mispeaks is the best you and zilly can come up with, I suggest you both go back to grade school and see if you can re-emlist. Your both about the mental equivalents of 12 year olds. Nya nya nya nya nya.

Grow up, little boy, er, is it little girl?

IBCNU
10-03-2007, 01:08 PM
Let's see one gets a hummer and the other gets 3800 and counting killed...TOUGH choice.

One has functioning grey matter, the other can't speak intelligently, nor make intelligent decisions either.

I wonder if you bothered to follow up the link that Pace posted in reponse to your "3800 dead" called "Military Deaths Under Two Administrations".
"Military deaths under the previous Clinton Administration: 1993-1,245, 1194-1,109, 1995-1,05, and 1996-1,008. Thats 4,417 deaths in PEACETIME vs 3,133 under the current administration and during a WAR".
Oh yeah....and he got a hummer.

46zilzal
10-03-2007, 01:29 PM
http://www.murdoconline.net/pics/Death_Rates.pdf.

Accidents happen when violence is taught with violent and dangerous weapons on hand.
Trend was going south until the rutabaga started sacrificing them for the BLACK stuff.

hcap
10-03-2007, 02:13 PM
IBCNU I wonder if you bothered to follow up the link that Pace posted in reponse to your "3800 dead" called "Military Deaths Under Two Administrations".I responded as well
Breakdown of deaths due to accidents, disease, or other non-combat reasons.

The Congressional Research Service released a pretty thorough report on this. You can view it here:

http://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/natsec/RL32492.pdf


Tables on page 10 and 11. It gives a pretty good year by year breakdown based on cause of death. In 1980, out of a total of 2,159,630 persons in the military (active and reserve), 2,392 died. In 2006, out of a total of 1,664,014 persons in the military, 1,858 died.

The military was 50 percent bigger in 1980 than it is now. In 1980, there were 1.17 deaths per 1000 soldiers. By 2000, the fatality rate had dropped to 0.55 per 1000 soldiers. We can see from Table 5 on page 11 of the same document that a reduction in the rate of accidents lowered the overall fatality rate. In 2006, however, there were 1.35 deaths per 1000 soldiers.

We can also see that in 1980 there were zero deaths from hostile action and one from a terrorist attack. I don’t know what happened to the one. In 2006, there were 753 deaths from hostile action and 238 deaths pending determination of cause.

During the entire decade of the 1980s, a total of 81 troops died in hostile action and 294 died in terrorist attacks (263 in 1983). The rest died of accidents, illness, and homicides.

Clintondidittoo
Clintondidittoo

delayjf
10-03-2007, 03:18 PM
Accidents happen when violence is taught with violent and dangerous weapons on hand

Or, when attempting to save lives and prevent disease.
http://www.foxnews.com/wires/2007Jun07/0,4670,AccidentalDeaths,00.html

Tom
10-03-2007, 03:19 PM
4,417 ACCIDENTS??????


What ever are you smoking, dear boy?

46zilzal
10-03-2007, 03:30 PM
but it keeps getting better in Iraq.
http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/meast/10/03/iraq.main/index.html

delayjf
10-03-2007, 03:30 PM
The military was 50 percent bigger in 1980 than it is now
Try 30%

46zilzal
10-03-2007, 03:34 PM
try 65% as there were 2,177,000 in early 1986 and 1,411,000 recently. 64.8% larger

http://www.murdoconline.net/pics/Death_Rates.pdf.

GaryG
10-03-2007, 05:16 PM
but it keeps getting better in Iraq.Better for you and your kind asshole but not for normal Americans.

46zilzal
10-03-2007, 05:18 PM
Better for you and your kind asshole but not for normal Americans.
whose tax dollars are squandered daily? better? what dream world do you inhabit?

Lefty
10-03-2007, 09:23 PM
Tax dollars squandered? Hmm, more money in the coffers; we all got tax cuts, the economy is humming, the welfare people still getting their food stamps, and the war on terror keeping Al qaeda at bay. Looks like we need more guys in politics like GW.
And, you show your ignorance when you parrot the left and say we're sacrificing troops for the black stuff, meaning oil. Please explain that, zilly. Splain it to me...

wonatthewire1
10-03-2007, 09:32 PM
The gap between academia and the real world is a hard one to bridge.
Bush, academically superior to Kerry, also proved more successful in the ral world. A baseball analogy would be "Steeeeeeeeeeerike 2!"


don't know about that Tom - Kerry married into the Heinz ketchup fortune and there aren't too many bigger than that

;)

Tom
10-03-2007, 10:20 PM
Did he want fries with that? :lol:

46zilzal
10-05-2007, 11:54 AM
From CNN: The World Health Organization says cholera has reached half of Iraq's 18 provinces since first being detected in the north two months ago. W.H.O. said 14 people have died from cholera, and 3,315 cases have been confirmed.

Destroy the infrastructure and things like this are bound to happen.

PaceAdvantage
10-06-2007, 11:22 PM
From CNN: The World Health Organization says cholera has reached half of Iraq's 18 provinces since first being detected in the north two months ago. W.H.O. said 14 people have died from cholera, and 3,315 cases have been confirmed.

Destroy the infrastructure and things like this are bound to happen.If you and your ilk had been this diligent when Saddam was running amok, who knows how many innocent lives you could have saved. But no, you were content to sit on your ass and not be nearly as proactive as you are now....

What a sham....errr...I mean shame...what a shame....

Maji
10-07-2007, 12:12 AM
Now... are we going to bring democracy to Myanmar? Those junta rulers are barbaric. Why don't we invade them and install a democratically elected govt. there? That way no one can say that we are only attracted to oil.

Tom
10-07-2007, 12:44 AM
You mean Burma?
Why acknowledge the name of the murderers?

But once again, the UN proves itself to be utterly useless in the real world.


I would support an agressive, "We are here to kill you and get the hell out tonight" invasion to put the dogs down. As humans, we have an obligation to lend assitance to people being slaughtered like this. No nation building, a surgical strike - remove the cancer and go home.


BTW, one misguided sould here called the USA a police state. I wonder if he has been watching the news to see what a real police state is like? Not.

PaceAdvantage
10-07-2007, 12:57 AM
That way no one can say that we are only attracted to oil.We should be attracted to oil. It's vitally important to our economy. Until and unless oil becomes less vital, it should remain high on the list of attractions. Makes sense, right?

Lefty
10-07-2007, 11:59 AM
One more time for the really dense: Burma no threat to us. Iraq, according to all the intelligence and the top lvl dems, was a threat to us. We attacked.
The U.N. was supposed to be the mechanism that stops the murder that's going on in the world when they are not a direct threat to the U.S.
As far as oil, just about all the nuts that cried we are in Iraq for the oil were also the first to squeal when gas prices went up.

46zilzal
10-07-2007, 02:00 PM
If you and your ilk had been this diligent when Saddam was running amok, who knows how many innocent lives you could have saved. But no, you were content to sit on your ass and not be nearly as proactive as you are now....

There are hundreds of humanitarian disasters far worse than this and they are left to play out since they have no Oil nor defense contracts to attack the rutabaga.

Lefty
10-07-2007, 10:36 PM
zilly, we don't go to war for oil. We don't go to war to be humanitariums. We go to war when a particular country is deemed a threat. Why don't you complain that the U.N. is not doing their job? You just don't get it because you don't want to. Or, maybe you're so educated there's no room for common sense. Hey, I've seen that before. Didn't all the educated intellectuals of the fifties blve Communism was a good thing? Hmmm, I think i'm on to something.

Tom
10-07-2007, 10:41 PM
I think we should use the Mexican's philosophy agains them. They feel they have right to come here becasue it is all America and they have as much right to be here as we do. OK, then let's us go down there and help ourselves to their oil. After all, we are all Amercians, so we just go pump oil that mexicans won't pump.

highnote
10-11-2007, 01:35 AM
No I continually point out this clown's stupidity, in all arenas, as it has cost thousands of lives.

Let me preface this by saying that I tend toward liberalism and am a registered Democrat.

I don't think Bush is stupid. Just because his wisdom is not scientific does not mean that he is not intelligent.

Doing well in school is not the only measure of intelligence.

I can site many examples of people who are not good public speakers but are very intelligent.

The man made a fortune buying and selling a percentage of a major league baseball team. He became governor of Texas and a U.S. president.

While I don't agree with his politics and his decisions, it doesn't appear to me that he is stupid.

I wouldn't vote for him, but I don't underestimate his intelligence.

46zilzal
10-11-2007, 11:42 AM
The man made a fortune buying and selling a percentage of a major league baseball team. He became governor of Texas and a U.S. president.

While I don't agree with his politics and his decisions, it doesn't appear to me that he is stupid.

I wouldn't vote for him, but I don't underestimate his intelligence.
ALL with INSIDE information. Connections and wealth as his STARTING point. How well did he do on his own in business? failures over and over.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arbusto_Energy
In 1982, Arbusto became known as Bush Exploration, a year after George H. W. Bush became Vice President. A friend of the Bush family, Philip Uzielli, invested $1 million in 1982 in exchange for a 10% stake in the company, at a time when the whole company was valued at less than $400,000. As it neared financial collapse again in September 1984, Bush Exploration merged with Spectrum 7 Energy Corp., a company owned by William DeWitt and Mercer Reynolds. Bush became Chairman and CEO of Spectrum 7.

46zilzal
10-11-2007, 11:55 AM
a summary of them.
http://alaric3rh.home.sprynet.com/science/bceo.html

highnote
10-11-2007, 12:17 PM
ALL with INSIDE information. Connections and wealth as his STARTING point. How well did he do on his own in business? failures over and over.

I realize that he had help and he had a lot of failed businesses. He didn't roll up into a ball a lay around and do nothing. He kept plowing ahead. He used what he had at his disposal to become wealthy and a U.S. president.

The Kennedy's and people like Elliot Spitzer used their connections for political gain, too.

The media may paint Bush as stupid, but I don't think he is shrewder than he is given credit for.

But I have never met the man. So I can only base my opinion on his accomplishments. He owns a Texas ranch and is U.S. president. Maybe it's all luck -- like that one character Woody Allen played in "Zelig".

I tend to doubt it, though.

46zilzal
10-11-2007, 12:21 PM
The Kennedy's and people like Elliot Spitzer used their connections for political gain, too.


That's how these dynasties continue. Look at his uncle Preston Jr. getting special contracts in China. The grandfather, a big crook. INSIDE INFORMATION and little 'exclusions' from the laws just like most rich people: Kennedy's, OJ etc.

has not gone unoticed.
http://www.sptimes.com/News/102900/Business/Influence_and_bailout.shtml

highnote
10-11-2007, 12:24 PM
That's how these dynasties continue. Look at his uncle Preston Jr. getting special contracts in China. The grandfather, a big crook. INSIDE INFORMATION and little 'exclusions' from the laws just like most rich people: Kennedy's, OJ etc.


I agree. That's why I support the estate tax. I don't think great wealth should be passed from generation to generation.

However, I thought this thread was about Bush's intelligence?

Just because he used family influence to gain wealth, does not make him stupid. In fact, maybe he would be stupid if he didn't use his family's influence?

46zilzal
10-11-2007, 12:26 PM
However, I thought this thread was about Bush's intelligence?

Just because he used family influence to gain wealth, does not make him stupid. In fact, maybe he would be stupid if he didn't use his family's influence?
When you are a figurehead (much like his presidency) you can be without a shred of intelligence and do just fine.

Tom
10-11-2007, 01:25 PM
FIGUREHEAD???????

LOL! LOL! LOL!

He sure bitch slap the Congress around a lot for having no power, now doesn't
he?

I think your dyslexia is showing - it is HEAD - Figure!:lol::lol::lol: