View Full Version : ANOTHER WARNING SHOT
stuball
09-19-2007, 09:43 AM
Don't you think it is about time to fire another warning shot over their heads.?
Inaction on our part will be interpreted as a sign that we are wavering.....
Does anyone agree with me that we should procott another track soon.....?
We had an advantage..let's not let it slip away.
Place your vote by posting in this thread.....
Stuball :ThmbUp:
ceejay
09-19-2007, 09:57 AM
I vote for a procott @ LAD, either Oct 5, 6, 7, 12, 13, or 14. Publicize it well.
LA horsemen, or at least their leaders, "get it."
prospector
09-19-2007, 10:07 AM
procott
kenwoodallpromos
09-19-2007, 10:28 AM
LAD sounds good to me!
betovernetcapper
09-19-2007, 10:52 AM
I like LAD but I wouldn't like to do a LA procott until I learned that FG was going to have an open signal this year.
csmith
09-19-2007, 01:07 PM
I would like to see another PROCOTT. Lets keep things rolling !!
shanta
09-19-2007, 01:26 PM
Would be good to give this Sean Altforish in Louisiana our play. He has publicly called out the Adw's. Cajuns rock!
Crapnet - Full of it.
Tvg - cowards
Arizona state gov't - jerkoffs
Procott :ThmbUp:
rdavislake
09-19-2007, 02:40 PM
It would be good to use LAD. and get it out that it's a Louisiana track we chose because of Sean. At this point, it doesn't matter about the Fair Grounds. It doesn't open until Thanksgiving. Actually, Fair Grounds is where alot of the Horsemen go after LAD closes. It's part of the circuit. FG is more likely to hear about it if it's close to home.
I'm biased because I run a few horses at LAD, and live across the river from the track, but LAD still makes sense. Just giving you the rest of my story.
stuball
09-19-2007, 02:52 PM
LAD gets my vote.....let's not wait for FG---Let's go ahead with LAD
and see if we can influence FG to open their signal....
I say we make them react to us...not wait and then react to what they do...
Any preference on date -- Friday Oct 5th or Sat Oct 6th ---with press release
before that to announce our intentions...
Stuball :ThmbUp:
GaryG
09-19-2007, 02:57 PM
I am in for LaD as well. There is money to be made with those bayou-breds from small barns.
ArlJim78
09-19-2007, 06:11 PM
lets go, wherever you go doesn't matter to me, I'm in. of course I continue to avoid any dollars going into tracknet venues, but I certainly will pile on whenever the targeted procotts are scheduled.
NoDayJob
09-19-2007, 07:30 PM
Yep!
alydar
09-19-2007, 08:31 PM
Lad sounds good to me
MNslappy
09-19-2007, 10:13 PM
I'm in for wherever and whenever...
Always happy to get some business for my state. LAD gets my vote. :ThmbUp:
If you focus on an entire day at a track there is an argument that you may or may not make a material difference of even if you make a difference pople who want to can explain it away (big weekend, big stakes race, whatever). I suggest being even more specific. Pick 1 or 2 or 3 races and focus on them (preferably in a P-3 or P-4 so people could bet on that + the races in that series). Drive up the average handle on a LAD race from $20,000 to $200,000 (or whatever). It seems like that might be more of a splash...more dramatic.
Maybe ? maybe not? what do you think?
Bizcycle
09-20-2007, 01:47 AM
After being blindsided by the people in this state that don't know its the
"Indian Casino's" that have hurt the racetracks, and then blame the Internet
"Gamblers" for this foolishness--
Well I'm in, but will have go to Turf Paradise or one of the 56 OTB's to participate. :mad:
Kelso
09-20-2007, 02:15 AM
Will support another kumbayah procott wherever it's called. Big whoop :rolleyes: .
But if we want to see substantive consequence to our efforts ... I suggest we do all we can to take Arizona racing to the mat.
Support our fellow ADW reprobates in The Grand Canyon State by boycotting all AZ tracks until they repeal this latest take on Prohibition. That's what this minnow plans to do.
Indulto
09-20-2007, 04:11 AM
LAD gets my vote.....let's not wait for FG---Let's go ahead with LAD
and see if we can influence FG to open their signal....
I say we make them react to us...not wait and then react to what they do...
Any preference on date -- Friday Oct 5th or Sat Oct 6th ---with press release
before that to announce our intentions...
Stuball :ThmbUp:Sat., Oct 6 is major BC prep day at KEE, BEL, and OSA. Lots of competition for attention.
Exactly what are our intentions? ;)
exiles
09-20-2007, 07:27 AM
LAD sounds good i'm in
highnote
09-20-2007, 01:50 PM
Will support another kumbayah procott wherever it's called. Big whoop :rolleyes: .
But if we want to see substantive consequence to our efforts ... I suggest we do all we can to take Arizona racing to the mat.
Support our fellow ADW reprobates in The Grand Canyon State by boycotting all AZ tracks until they repeal this latest take on Prohibition. That's what this minnow plans to do.
It's not the AZ tracks that is the problem, is it? Isn't the problem Senator Kyle? He seems to have something against betting online. Hell, gambling is legal in the state, what the hell does it matter where people place there bets?
Seems to me rather than boycotting AZ, you ought to boycott anyone who donates to his campaign and if you're a citizen of AZ vote against him. The AZ tracks need support. I'm sure they hate this new law, too.
betovernetcapper
09-20-2007, 02:04 PM
Sweaty-While I'm sure Senator Kyl is pleased as punch with the law, it's my understanding that the bill was pushed through by the Arizona horseman.
highnote
09-20-2007, 02:14 PM
Sweaty-While I'm sure Senator Kyl is pleased as punch with the law, it's my understanding that the bill was pushed through by the Arizona horseman.
If that's true, then they'll get whatever they deserve -- good or bad.
Where does the majority of money for purses come from -- on-track or off?
betovernetcapper
09-20-2007, 02:22 PM
Sweaty-I agree-this was one of the dumbest moves ever made in this sport.
njcurveball
09-20-2007, 03:12 PM
You will need to focus on one pool and the easiest target is the Early Daily Double. That pool has to average less than $50,000, so if you could get 200 people betting $50 into it that would have to pump it up 20% or more.
If you do the entire card on a Saturday, you have a 2 million handle to deal with.
Are there big enough wallets in the Procott to pump over $200,000 into the pools to make even a 10% difference?
Sweaty-While I'm sure Senator Kyl is pleased as punch with the law, it's my understanding that the bill was pushed through by the Arizona horseman.
The horsemen are typically selfish and could give a hoot for the fans. At FL, they have always been the biggest roadblocks to anything positive. Sounds like the same old myoptic song here - me me me mine!
BOYCOTT AZ TRACKS
Indulto
09-20-2007, 11:56 PM
If you focus on an entire day at a track there is an argument that you may or may not make a material difference of even if you make a difference pople who want to can explain it away (big weekend, big stakes race, whatever). I suggest being even more specific. Pick 1 or 2 or 3 races and focus on them (preferably in a P-3 or P-4 so people could bet on that + the races in that series). Drive up the average handle on a LAD race from $20,000 to $200,000 (or whatever). It seems like that might be more of a splash...more dramatic.
Maybe ? maybe not? what do you think?I think you make a lot of sense. In looking at the Super Derby undercard for Saturday, it occurred to me that the 7th race, a full-field maiden race sandwiched in between 2 stakes (but not part of the Pick 6 or Pick 4) might be a good target for verticals as well as for the 2nd leg of a Pick 3.
Maybe it's not too late to try and get the B-H to publish a blurb tomorrow night. If this Sat. is too soon, then maybe a similar situation could be exploited the following Sat. at HAW prior to their big stakes. In any event an e-mail by PA would also be critical. I noticed his petition e-mail was put up on other boards as well.
Regardless I think it would be a good idea to show some appreciation to the B-H for the support they've shown so far. :ThmbUp:
Kelso
09-21-2007, 12:38 AM
BOYCOTT AZ TRACKS
ATTABOY, TOM!! No more monkeyin' around! (Yeah, yeah, I know ... it's an ape. :D )
BOYCOTT AZ TRACKS!!!
betovernetcapper
09-21-2007, 01:15 AM
I don't see any benefit to another procott. been there-done-that :sleeping:
Indulto
09-21-2007, 03:05 AM
I don't see any benefit to another procott. been there-done-that :sleeping:What happened to the photo of the Vampire-Slayer? Did it keep you awake? ;)
PaceAdvantage
09-21-2007, 04:34 AM
I don't see any benefit to another procott. been there-done-that :sleeping:Rome wasn't built in a day. And we've only had one official procott that I am aware of....
betovernetcapper
09-21-2007, 09:48 AM
IMO the procott benefit-showing we could move a handle-has been achieved. We could do another procott every week and still not move the issue forward.
I think it's doing something to be doing something.
http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa62/beherethen/jk_official.jpg
njcurveball
09-21-2007, 10:11 AM
IMO the procott benefit-showing we could move a handle-has been achieved. We could do another procott every week and still not move the issue forward.
OH MY! Are you the same guy who put the kids on You Tube? What happened?
I totally disagree! Doing a procott keeps the issues in the news. You were all for the Power of the Press before, what happened?
HorseRun
09-21-2007, 11:04 AM
he sat down with the chararcters in this fiasco and realized they are bigger liars and more greedy than the cast of characters in OJ Simpson Saga
shanta
09-21-2007, 11:11 AM
he sat down with the chararcters in this fiasco and realized they are bigger liars and more greedy than the cast of characters in OJ Simpson Saga
Bingo.
alydar
09-21-2007, 11:24 AM
I really don't think that we should be discouraged. Sure this is a complex issue that wil not be solved in a phone call.
To stop our actions would be exactly what we shouldn't do. We need to keep this issue on the burner. To give up so easily is a bit dissappointing hear.
betovernetcapper
09-21-2007, 12:29 PM
OH MY! Are you the same guy who put the kids on You Tube? What happened?
I totally disagree! Doing a procott keeps the issues in the news. You were all for the Power of the Press before, what happened?
Do you mean this movie?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zItx-8T0Wng
The first one was newsworthy-another one isn't going to garner much press. I'm in no way suggesting we give up or slow down.
http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa62/beherethen/jk_official.jpg
Indulto
09-21-2007, 04:00 PM
Post #5I like LAD but I wouldn't like to do a LA procott until I learned that FG was going to have an open signal this year.#29I don't see any benefit to another procott. been there-done-that :sleeping:BONC,
What happened between #5 and #29 that made you bounce from man of action to proponent of inaction?
How is it that Daruty went from being your villain to your hero while you focus on the questionable Kyl as a viable answer?
Your video put you in the running for the title of "America's Horseplayer" and now this thread has become more about you than about protesting.
Looks like you're ready for an appearance on "Entertainment Tonight!" :D
Kelso
09-21-2007, 11:32 PM
Procotts hurt nobody ... and nothing will change until people get hurt, BIG TIME, in the wallet. Boycotts hurt people in the wallet.
Procotts are good for making people feel AS IF they're doing something productive. Boycotts PRODUCE change.
Procotts expose organizers to charges of imprudent favoritism. Boycott targets are much more easily explained.
BOYCOTT AZ RACING!!
betovernetcapper
09-22-2007, 12:44 AM
do you want to make? If we are going to shoot, then let's make the shot painful.
If enough of us really commit we can get ADW's to stop taking the signal from Arizona race tracks. Judging from YouBets letter they'd be willing to drop them for 125 reward points. How'd that be for a warning shot?
How about strongly encouraging Yum! Brands to pull their support for the 2008 Derby. If you guys want to put in a little effort it can be done.
How about a concerted effort to make the Fall CD meeting the worst in modern history by any legal means necessary?
Or we could have another procott-whatever you guys think is best.
HorseRun
09-22-2007, 12:55 AM
hey if Al Sharpton can get Don Imus fired for making a joke by going after the advertisers, i say we go full force and make Yum Brands the Target of a BOYCOTT !! They are paying BIG Dollars and even an ounce of negative feedback and they will blow a casket and make CD move ...i guarentee it !!!
PS i had a home warranty on my new house (dont anyone ever get one) that was a scam , they send guys out to ur house for $55 and then the contractor denies you on some BS technacality....anyway the messed with the wrong guy, as although i got the runaround for 3 weeks from corporate, it then dawned on me to go after my realtor who sold the seller the home Warranty....I had my entire AC covered and a check in my hand within 3 days
PaceAdvantage
09-22-2007, 03:54 PM
How is it that Daruty went from being your villain to your hero while you focus on the questionable Kyl as a viable answer?Wow, one of us is completely misinterpreting BONC's recent Daruty posts. I took them as chock full of sarcasm. Apparently, you took them as dead serious....
I wonder which one of us is correct in our interpretation. I'm betting on myself (apologies to Steve Crist).
BillW
09-22-2007, 04:01 PM
Wow, one of us is completely misinterpreting BONC's recent Daruty posts. I took them as chock full of sarcasm. Apparently, you took them as dead serious....
I wonder which one of us is correct in our interpretation. I'm betting on myself (apologies to Steve Crist).
You need to add the formatting pair to the posting editor menu. :D
Indulto
09-22-2007, 09:46 PM
Wow, one of us is completely misinterpreting BONC's recent Daruty posts. I took them as chock full of sarcasm. Apparently, you took them as dead serious....
I wonder which one of us is correct in our interpretation. I'm betting on myself (apologies to Steve Crist).Given a recent discussion about rhetoric vs. opinion, I'm not sure even an emoticon would resolve the ambiguity. I'm not releasing any moths for this proposition. ;)
May I suggest for tongue in cheek.
I have a dead serious question, PA, for both you and BONC since neither of you has yet posted in the "protest site" thread -- Will boycotttracknet and trackthieves be dueling websites or will there be a cooperative effort?
betovernetcapper
09-23-2007, 03:17 AM
You know a number of people have told me my sarcasm was too subtle, almost obtuse. I''m going to work on making my sarcasm a little more heavy handed. :bang:
On a serious note I like Richard Bauer and I think trackthieves.com is a great site and I encourage everyone to visit it. He has been kind enough to invite me to submit one of my rants and I hope to have one ready next week. :)
I hate to say this, but I doubt anyone really cares about procotts. The only way these help is if the benefactors, the horsemen/tracks supported, do something to help the players in return. I'm not going to hold my breath for that one.
Boycotts are probably far more effective. Just my two cents.
Indulto
09-23-2007, 04:57 AM
I hate to say this, but I doubt anyone really cares about procotts. The only way these help is if the benefactors, the horsemen/tracks supported, do something to help the players in return. I'm not going to hold my breath for that one.
Boycotts are probably far more effective. Just my two cents.No argument from me. Did you ever comment on Scav's suggestion that an ADW could be boycotted by redirecting wagers on a procotted track through other tracks and simulcast centers?
Since I don't really have access to tracks or simulcast centers, I'm not a player in that one. I have no options other than the interet, both on and off shore.
Indulto
09-23-2007, 06:07 AM
Since I don't really have access to tracks or simulcast centers, I'm not a player in that one. I have no options other than the interet, both on and off shore.As I was unable to participate in the ALB proctt, I can understand your lack of enthusiasm, but what are your thoughts as to whether it would be an effective action if supported by a significant number of players in locations serviced by one of the two ADWs practicing exclusivity who also had an alternative way to wager on the procotted track? Of course the effect of such an action would be enhanced if players without alternatives were willing to not wager through the designated ADW(s) on the designated day.
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