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Pass N Play
08-25-2007, 10:30 AM
So what are the chances that the group beats the June 12th 2004 off-track handle at Albuquerque of $797,283 to make a statement? Plus looking at the charts that handle was made up of one whale I would guess making large show wagers. Any whales out there going to top that today?
betovernetcapper
08-25-2007, 12:11 PM
I think our target is based on last Saturday's handle of $70,596.
ceejay
08-25-2007, 06:04 PM
Wasn't it ~$120K?
Premier Turf Club
08-25-2007, 06:13 PM
Off Track 70k
On Track 120k
We obviously have no control over what's bet on-track today. The apples to apples comparison is off-track handle.
DeanT
08-25-2007, 06:24 PM
I missed the exotic pool there, but it looks like around 11K in the WPS pool in race 7. That is good for what this track gets I think.
Premier Turf Club
08-25-2007, 06:29 PM
Off Track 70k
On Track 120k
We obviously have no control over what's bet on-track today. The apples to apples comparison is off-track handle.
I want to retract the last post I made. It's very hard to tell from the Equibase charts whether the ENTIRE pool was $120k or whether the ON-TRCAK pool was $120k. I'm really not sure. I guess we'll look at the charts after the final race to tell...
Alberich
08-25-2007, 06:31 PM
On the web client change the race # to previous race and hit the 'pool total' - that is the final from the host
DeanT
08-25-2007, 06:52 PM
A little over 10K in WPS there and the ex pool was 6K. For a track that gets 120K total over a ten race card, that seems fairly stout. I dont have the tri pool or the super pool, but it seems that the 8th race was well over 20K bet.
PS: Which one of you bums put $1000 to win on the 4 horse in the next. I am betting it is Dan G jumping into the 1/4 horse market in a big way :)
BillW
08-25-2007, 07:02 PM
A little over 10K in WPS there and the ex pool was 6K. For a track that gets 120K total over a ten race card, that seems fairly stout. I dont have the tri pool or the super pool, but it seems that the 8th race was well over 20K bet.
PS: Which one of you bums put $1000 to win on the 4 horse in the next. I am betting it is Dan G jumping into the 1/4 horse market in a big way :)
8th Tri -$7692
8th Supr - $3690
bigmack
08-25-2007, 07:16 PM
I want to retract the last post I made. It's very hard to tell from the Equibase charts whether the ENTIRE pool was $120k or whether the ON-TRCAK pool was $120k. I'm really not sure. I guess we'll look at the charts after the final race to tell...
No need to retract Ian. The total pool was $190. Usually when they post like that it's divided as well as I called the mutuel sup @ Alb and got the full skinny.
http://i165.photobucket.com/albums/u70/macktime/8_25_07_16_08_24.jpg
Alberich
08-25-2007, 07:19 PM
With race 9 running the ALB handle is $195800
Premier Turf Club
08-25-2007, 07:30 PM
No need to retract Ian. The total pool was $190. Usually when they post like that it's divided as well as I called the mutuel sup @ Alb and got the full skinny.
http://i165.photobucket.com/albums/u70/macktime/8_25_07_16_08_24.jpg
Thanks 'Mack. It will be very interesting to see what the off-track handle comparison is week-to-week.
bigmack
08-25-2007, 08:28 PM
http://i165.photobucket.com/albums/u70/macktime/8_25_07_16_08_24.jpg
Last Sat
Today:
http://i165.photobucket.com/albums/u70/macktime/8_25_07_17_26_01.jpg
A bump of $55461. Nice work!
With the total pool last week of 190K that an increase of 30% conservatively with on track handle lower by 19ish%.
All in all, good show.
betovernetcapper
08-25-2007, 08:51 PM
On a day with 4 maiden events and 40% quarter horses, the off track handle moved from $70,000 to $126,000. Wow!!! Thank You PA
Folks,
Unofficially, today's handle was the highest of the meet. I fully understand that this was a one-day show of force. I would like to thank y'all for the additional eyes on our signal today.
Please feel free to private message me a note describing what you liked and disliked about our product. I hope that all of you feel that I am a friend of the racing fan.
Stuart P. Slagle
Racing Secretary, The Downs at Albuquerque
Dave Schwartz
08-25-2007, 10:15 PM
That is just an awesome performance.
May I make a suggestion?
Consider locating the handle for the same day last year... not by date but by 4th Saturday in August. If the handle is up from that date as well, it will further build your case.
Regards,
Dave Schwartz
That is just an awesome performance.
May I make a suggestion?
Consider locating the handle for the same day last year... not by date but by 4th Saturday in August. If the handle is up from that date as well, it will further build your case.
Regards,
Dave Schwartz
Dave,
Normally, I would agree; however, there was a shift in the New Mexico calendar this year. In 2006, Albuquerque had a 40+ day spring meet and a 17-day fall meet. Last year we did not race in August. This year we have a 44-day fall meet only.
Year-to-year comparison capability would be a good selection criteria for future procotts with us or other tracks. For us the only overlap with last year will be the Friday after Labor Day continuous for 17 straight days.
Stu
rdavislake
08-25-2007, 10:40 PM
Stu,
Your support is critical for the fan......writing competitve races and getting as many starters as possible is a thankless job......As an Owner from Louisiana I appreciate your bothering to post here.....
You put out a good product today and the added exposure had to be good for you....Whole experience was quite good......Well done........Although I'm not a Quarters fan, they did help me walk away with a small profit on roughly $800 in wagers.......
Congratulations all around on step-1 in our marathon. :ThmbUp:
betovernetcapper
08-25-2007, 11:11 PM
Dan-was that your $1000 on the 1/4 horse race? :)
Kelso
08-25-2007, 11:12 PM
On a day with 4 maiden events and 40% quarter horses, the off track handle moved from $70,000 to $126,000. Wow!!! Thank You PA
Off-track up 80% ... and that with many supporters unable to find a participating ADW for the track. Great job, BONC. Great job, all!!
bigmack
08-25-2007, 11:28 PM
Off-track up 80% ... and that with many supporters unable to find a participating ADW for the track. Great job, BONC. Great job, all!!
Indeed, it was up 80% from one week ago. A cursory look at off-track handles at every track from last Sat and today show only 3 that went up. SAR (via Travers), MTH & ALB. SAR & MTH were up less than 5%. All others pools were down from one week ago.
I don't know what this means in the grand scheme of things but it was concerted.
betovernetcapper
08-25-2007, 11:39 PM
backatcha Kelso-it's all you guys and PA
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bigmack-I don't know if it's karma or irony but the race this ADW dispute began with was the Derby won by Street Sense and today right around the time Street Sense was winning the Travers, somebody was placing the over the top bet at ALB.
singunner
08-25-2007, 11:43 PM
So now that our capacity for change is established, what's the next step?
PaceAdvantage
08-26-2007, 12:37 AM
The next step is to compose a press release touting what we've done here....I'm working on that right now....
Good show folks!
DeanT
08-26-2007, 01:12 AM
The next step is to compose a press release touting what we've done here....I'm working on that right now....
Good show folks!
I hope Stu's numbers are right and this is a record handle for 2007. Because "record handle for 2007 on Buycott Day " sounds damn good to me :)
GameTheory
08-26-2007, 01:19 AM
It should say in the press release that this was done on EXTREMELY SHORT NOTICE and the next procott will be well-publicized well in advance. (It will, right?)
Awesome !!! :ThmbUp: :ThmbUp:
Z
DJofSD
08-26-2007, 01:51 AM
Go back to last year for the same period and average the handle for the Saturdays in question. Compare that to the average the prior Saturdays for August this year. Then look at todays handle compared to last year and the Saturday's for August 2007.
BillW
08-26-2007, 01:54 AM
Go back to last year for the same period and average the handle for the Saturdays in question. Compare that to the average the prior Saturdays this year.
Someone already suggested that but they didn't have a fall meet last year.
kenwoodallpromos
08-26-2007, 06:15 AM
Please do not forget that the increase in betting at ALB today does NOT include the many at PA who wanted to bet but were not allowed, like me in CA! The point being if I with TVG or others barred had bet ALB it would have been $150,000.00!!
At TVG I can bet Oak Tree meet but not Santa Anita meet!
ryesteve
08-26-2007, 09:18 AM
A cursory look at off-track handles at every track from last Sat and today show only 3 that went up. All others pools were down from one week ago.
I don't know what this means in the grand scheme of things but it was concerted.
One could say that this is because we shifted our dollars and attention from the tracks we normally play, into ALB. In other words, even though no one wanted to use the word "boycott", the end result may have been similar.
chickenhead
08-26-2007, 11:07 AM
fantastic job guys!
Hopefully with the Press from this, and some time spent building it up, the next one will be even bigger. I think everyone involved should be very proud of this.
kenwoodallpromos
08-26-2007, 01:54 PM
fantastic job guys!
Hopefully with the Press from this, and some time spent building it up, the next one will be even bigger. I think everyone involved should be very proud of this.
If the other forums catch wind of it and decide bettors need a voice yes I think it could get bigger.
If DRF- and NTRA's Meadows or others on the Players' committe take notice racing may take things much more serious.
I may be jumping the gun, but I kind of hope racing is wondering how big it will grow, which track is next, eventually how much big tracks are losing.
betovernetcapper
08-26-2007, 02:15 PM
Kenwood-I'll bet every track in the country is hoping that they'll be the recipient of the next buycott and a couple may be thinking about the effect of a boycott. BTW, you may have been the first one to suggest ALB as a buycott. good choice :)
kenwoodallpromos
08-26-2007, 02:38 PM
Kenwood-I'll bet every track in the country is hoping that they'll be the recipient of the next buycott and a couple may be thinking about the effect of a boycott. BTW, you may have been the first one to suggest ALB as a buycott. good choice :)
I read the interview in Bloofhorse and think MNR may be ADW friendly andf a good next choice. Besides, look at the latest Brisnet "At a glances"!
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http://www.brisnet.com/cgi-bin/editorial/article.cgi?id=12
I read the interview in Bloofhorse and think MNR may be ADW friendly andf a good next choice. Besides, look at the latest Brisnet "At a glances"!
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http://www.brisnet.com/cgi-bin/editorial/article.cgi?id=12
PULease not MNR , i will have to sell all wordly possesions.
I have not cashed a ticket there all year!
:bang:
swetyejohn
08-26-2007, 03:23 PM
It should say in the press release that this was done on EXTREMELY SHORT NOTICE and the next procott will be well-publicized well in advance. (It will, right?)
I don't know if it's worth mentioning, but Laurel's handle was down despite the lowered takeouts. I think a lot of people are avoiding MEC / CDI tracks. If MEC / CDI were more in sync with the betting fans of racing I am certain the Laurel handle would have improved.
Money is important, but this procott / boycott is not just about the money. It's about the betting fans getting the respect they deserve and not being taken for granted.
If fans are treated with respect they will pay a premium.
If they're disregarded then the lowest takeout in the country won't be enough to get them to bet.
Nice job PA procotters!
Indulto
08-26-2007, 05:23 PM
I don't know if it's worth mentioning, but Laurel's handle was down despite the lowered takeouts. I think a lot of people are avoiding MEC / CDI tracks. If MEC / CDI were more in sync with the betting fans of racing I am certain the Laurel handle would have improved.
Money is important, but this procott / boycott is not just about the money. It's about the betting fans getting the respect they deserve and not being taken for granted.
If fans are treated with respect they will pay a premium.
If they're disregarded then the lowest takeout in the country won't be enough to get them to bet.
Nice job PA procotters!You may be right. In discussions with 5 other horseplayers, individually, at HOL yesterday, I learned that none of them had or particularly wanted ADW accounts, but were definitely interested in being treated better by the track itself.
Unfortunately, we were all paying a premium to be there. ;)
PaceAdvantage
08-26-2007, 05:31 PM
You may be right. In discussions with 5 other horseplayers, individually, at HOL yesterday, I learned that none of them had or particularly wanted ADW accounts....
Well, that doesn't surprise me in the least. Your informal survey is flawed....at the track, you're more likely to run into folks who have no interest in betting online....that's why they are at the track!
I would be willing to wager that most if not all of the folks you talked to about ADW accounts were over the age of 50.....
Indulto
08-26-2007, 05:51 PM
Well, that doesn't surprise me in the least. Your informal survey is flawed....at the track, you're more likely to run into folks who have no interest in betting online....that's why they are at the track!
I would be willing to wager that most if not all of the folks you talked to about ADW accounts were over the age of 50.....I'm not good at guessing age, but they all had to be over 30, and I was the oldest by far.
That "survey" was not a poll, merely a series of discussions. My post was not intended to suggest anything about interest in ADWs, but rather to point out that happy horseplayers are few and far between.
Whassamatter, don't you trust anybody over 40? ;)
PaceAdvantage
08-26-2007, 06:12 PM
That "survey" was not a poll, merely a series of discussions. My post was not intended to suggest anything about interest in ADWs, but rather to point out that happy horseplayers are few and far between.
Very true. Sorry if I jumped on you a bit there....didn't mean to....
I think we all can post conversations about how we are treated on track or off. Money is money no matter which pocket it comes out of.
betovernetcapper
08-26-2007, 07:45 PM
Horseplayers as a group may never be happy for long, but off track players would be reasonably content if
all licensed racetracks, simulcast facilities and ADWs
be accorded immediate access to all simulcast signals at rates that are fair and equitable to all, the tracks, the horseman, and the players. Let the customers decide who to reward with their business.
.
Cangamble
08-26-2007, 09:24 PM
WEG didn't take Laurel this year. I think they took them last year. I wonder who else didn't expose Laurel to its client base.
betovernetcapper
08-26-2007, 09:43 PM
Didn't WEG also raise the ELP pic4 from 4% to ___% or am I thinking of someone else?
Kelso
08-26-2007, 10:19 PM
If the other forums catch wind of it and decide bettors need a voice yes I think it could get bigger.
Can anyone provide any feedback from other forums? Which ones had a post announcing the ALB effort? What was the reaction/participation from members of those forums?
If DRF- and NTRA's Meadows or others on the Players' committe take notice racing may take things much more serious.
I may be jumping the gun, but I kind of hope racing is wondering how big it will grow, which track is next, eventually how much big tracks are losing.
All of the above should damned well be monitoring and pondering this. But then, if any of them knew and cared anything about customer service we wouldn't be about this in the first place.
All of the above should damned well be monitoring and pondering this. But then, if any of them knew and cared anything about customer service we wouldn't be about this in the first place.
The word "customer service" includes the word "service" and it is not in their vocabulary. Instead of "service", the word they use is "screw"... :mad:
retcu29
08-26-2007, 10:57 PM
Kelso,
Several sites that I visit, daily, did not have a single word about the effort of this site... With advance notice of our next action, I will surely bring it to the attention of the members.
gillenr
08-26-2007, 11:01 PM
Bemember, "service" is what the stud gives the mare.
Kelso
08-26-2007, 11:28 PM
With advance notice of our next action, I will surely bring it to the attention of the members.
That's the kind of effort we need to bring this to critical mass. Thanks, 29!
whobet
08-28-2007, 07:55 PM
How about we ask ALB for some pay back,
if we ask them to lower the take-out on all bets by 1%,
we will come back next week.
Power of the bettors,
respect from the track owners.
betovernetcapper
08-28-2007, 08:03 PM
Come back? I think a couple of PA members had such a good time they haven't left. :)
whobet
08-28-2007, 08:08 PM
Well the inverse scenrio is,
if they don't lower the take on all bets by 1%,
all "The ADW Team" will leave ALB, ???
Maybe to sevre,
but we have been takin it for along tme,
maybe it's time to give a little back.
JustRalph
08-28-2007, 08:09 PM
Come back? I think a couple of PA members had such a good time they haven't left. :)
:lol:
prospector
08-28-2007, 08:26 PM
Well the inverse scenrio is,
if they don't lower the take on all bets by 1%,
all "The ADW Team" will leave ALB, ???
Maybe to sevre,
but we have been takin it for along tme,
maybe it's time to give a little back.
i believe the idea is to HELP the good and PUNISH the bad...
maybe we need a list of recommended tracks...bet these...they are our friends type of wording..
whobet
08-28-2007, 08:29 PM
Why is ALB a good track vs a bad track ???????
whobet
08-28-2007, 08:37 PM
I got another idea,
we need a name, like the "The ADW Team" or something,
and then we ask the internet ADW providers to make a profile,
so that we can register as a member of the "The ADW Team".
We ask:
TVG
XPRESSBET
YOUBET
TWINSPIRES
BRISBET
and whatever others to do this,
make a profile,
so we can be categorized in the betting pool.
Then Statistics can be verified,
about the success/power of the "The ADW Team" results.
It is in the interests of the ADW internet providers to do this,
then they can get all the tracks and have more business.
whobet
08-28-2007, 08:41 PM
And then we can sell T-shirts,
I would buy one and wear it to LAUREL, LOL
"The ADW Team"
then we need a catchy slogan to put on it.
like:
"Fix the ADW mess"
rrpic6
08-28-2007, 09:05 PM
I got another idea,
we need a name, like the "The ADW Team" or something,
and then we ask the internet ADW providers to make a profile,
so that we can register as a member of the "The ADW Team".
We ask:
TVG
XPRESSBET
YOUBET
TWINSPIRES
BRISBET
and whatever others to do this,
make a profile,
so we can be categorized in the betting pool.
Then Statistics can be verified,
about the success/power of the "The ADW Team" results.
It is in the interests of the ADW internet providers to do this,
then they can get all the tracks and have more business.
Mike Weiss VP at Beulah/Winticket/AmericaTab might be interested in your suggestion. The Players Pool is done thru his direction. However, California's Supreme Court has deemed it illegal to have an account using more than one person or using a business.
RR
betovernetcapper
08-28-2007, 09:09 PM
i believe the idea is to HELP the good and PUNISH the bad...
maybe we need a list of recommended tracks...bet these...they are our friends type of wording..
A couple of PA members are working on just that. One member (____________)
is doing a stack ranking of tracks by payouts. pretty eye opening :)
Another is working on a Report Card for tracks-giving grades for various factors. :)
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