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Gibbon
08-24-2007, 09:52 PM
So far the US has lost an initial hearing and two appeals on its policies regarding Antiguan offshore gambling sites. Now the lawyer pressing the case has asked for a rarely invoked, but codified, recourse under WTO rules...... http://politics.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/08/23/1553232&from=rss

I’ve followed the legal maneuverings very carefully. US has lost virtually every case argued before the World Trade Organization vs. little Antigua. A final ruling is expected sometime in second quarter of 2008. If Antigua is victories presumably other Island nations would expand their offshore gambling interests back into the US.

In the near term it’s unlikely anything will change. For world trades epicenter is US. However, a new administration in the White House may not be able to use bully tactics any longer!

Truly, we live in interesting times. Technology is making our world smaller by the month and as a consequence freeing more people to pursue their calling then ever thought possible. I never could imagine I’d be favoring a foreign nation against my own. I'm in need of therapy - zilly, suff, hcap must be having a profound influence over me?





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Gibbon
08-24-2007, 09:57 PM
But a W.T.O. panel ruled against the United States in 2004, and its appellate body upheld that decision one year later. In March, the organization upheld that ruling for a second time and declared Washington out of compliance with its rules.

That has placed the United States in a quandary, said John H. Jackson, a professor at Georgetown University Law Center who specializes in international trade law.

Complying with the W.T.O. ruling, Professor Jackson said, would require Congress and the Bush administration either to reverse course and permit Americans to place bets online legally with offshore casinos or, equally unlikely, impose an across-the-board ban on all forms of Internet gambling — including the online purchase of lottery tickets, participation in Web-based pro sports fantasy leagues and off-track wagering on horse racing.
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/08/23/business/worldbusiness/23gamble.html?em&ex=1188014400&en=45639b242bae8fd2&ei=5087%0A

bigmack
08-24-2007, 10:18 PM
US has lost virtually every case argued before the World Trade Organization vs. little Antigua.
I've always gravitated towards the story as well and have loved every blip on the screen. The quintessential David/Goliath tale and while I've found myself uncomforatably rooting for the away team, it's darn fun. And it's the darn right thing to do.

Bully US clout with the WTO takes a shoestring Tyson blow.

BillW
08-24-2007, 10:29 PM
I've always gravitated towards the story as well and have loved every blip on the screen. The quintessential David/Goliath tale and while I've found myself uncomforatably rooting for the away team, it's darn fun. And it's the darn right thing to do.

Bully US clout with the WTO takes a shoestring Tyson blow.

What percentage of off shores are run by Davids as opposed to American businesses set up to operate where it is legal to do so?

GameTheory
08-24-2007, 10:45 PM
What percentage of off shores are run by Davids as opposed to American businesses set up to operate where it is legal to do so?I don't think they are Americans because then they'd get prosecuted like whatisname. I think that the call centers that take the bets are often in the U.S. -- none of these businesses actually physically operate out of the Caribbean.

Kelso
08-24-2007, 10:59 PM
states will be unable to stop residents from betting offshore when the U.S. throws in the towel ... and it will be a small step from there to states allowing unfettered access to all domestic ADWs?

Gibbon
08-25-2007, 12:01 AM
Kelso,

Not so fast – I’m cautiously optimistic. Under existing law, our federal govt. would be within their right to force your ISP to block all access to offshore IP addresses. It is a simply task NOT to resolve DNS inquiry. A simple yet effective method currently employed by China on their citizenry. I might add, with full support by Google, Yahoo, Micro$haft, etc…

A few battles does not a war made.





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The typical gambler might not really understand the probabilistic nuances of the wheel or the dice, but such things seem a bit more tractable than, say, trying to raise a child in this lunatic society of ours. ~ Arthur S. Reber, The New Gambler 's Bible

Kelso
08-25-2007, 12:15 AM
Kelso,
Not so fast – I’m cautiously optimistic. Under existing law, our federal govt. would be within their right to force your ISP to block all access to offshore IP addresses.


A longshot scenario but, no doubt, possible.

My point was that if the feds cave on the issue (IMO, a more likely outcome), the states will have no choice in the matter. Offshore will, perforce, be open to all ... and onshore will then follow.

bigmack
08-25-2007, 12:33 AM
Big
ramifications from the final outcome of this case and its aftermath as I suspect it will play out well for all parties.

ddog
08-25-2007, 07:32 AM
Kelso,

Not so fast – I’m cautiously optimistic. Under existing law, our federal govt. would be within their right to force your ISP to block all access to offshore IP addresses. It is a simply task NOT to resolve DNS inquiry. A simple yet effective method currently employed by China on their citizenry. I might add, with full support by Google, Yahoo, Micro$haft, etc…

A few battles does not a war made.





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The typical gambler might not really understand the probabilistic nuances of the wheel or the dice, but such things seem a bit more tractable than, say, trying to raise a child in this lunatic society of ours. ~ Arthur S. Reber, The New Gambler 's Bible


Are you endorsing the blocking of all oversea IP?

That can't be a sensible response to such a small problem.
China does it, wow!

The fact that the firms mentioned go along with it is an outrage as well.

Chinese people shouldn't have access to all avail info.

PLEASE say that's not what it would come to.

Gibbon
08-25-2007, 03:02 PM
ddog,

You misinterpret my post. As a quasi libertarian I insist on the free and open exchange of information and ideas with all its consequences.

In many respects much of our world {including America} are floundering on ancient times. Where powerful interests need to protect their turf and will do most anything to keep the peasant class at arms length.

Only freedom propels civilization forward! It’s certainly a shame some large corporations side with oppressors of freedom.

Personally, I am somewhat bemused by PA’s noble attempt to foster dialoged with the Jockey Club Petition. PA’s goals are admirable however – methods employed are insufficient. A more radical approach would be a nationwide boycott of all race tracks. Powerful interest only understand direct frontal assaults on their power. We vote by using our discretionary money elsewhere. This is the kind of wakeup call racing needs.

Similarly; to the recent and ongoing investigation into pro basketball referee betting scandal, racing needs to get on the front page of major newspapers and evening news broadcasts. Only then will change occur…..

Think big, think radical; take no prisoners…that is how “they” think to separate you from your money.






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