Urgent Jockey Club Petition

[betovernetcapper]

I'm going to remember this year's Derby, not as the year that Street Sense repeated his rail hugging Juvenile, but as the time in decades I'd not bet on the Derby. I'm going to remember it as the year that American racing began to fall apart.
The Jockey Club is having a meeting later this week and a member who prefers to remain anonymous has agreed to present a petition to them. If you'd like to use your real name but not post it on the board-pmail me and I'll write it in. If you want to use your screen name-have at it. If you know people from other boards that might be interested, please alert them.

Petition

We as players are offended and disgusted by the wrangling that TrackNet, TVG and other content providers have engaged in with regards to the simulcast signals. We believe that many executives in the business overlook the fact that without us, the racing industry would cease to exist.
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The operation of a race track and the ability to conduct inter-track simulcasting of racing events is a privilege not a right. We request that the Jockey Club, the NTRA and all powers that be immediately intervene to mediate the disputes that are destroying this great game.
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We demand that all licensed racetracks, simulcast facilities and ADWs
be accorded immediate access to all simulcast signals at rates that are fair and equitable to all, the tracks, the horseman, and the players. Let the customers decide who to reward with their business.
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In the absence of responsible action, horse player boycotts are a certainty.

[betovernetcapper]

signature #1

betovernetcapper (Richard Young)

[DJofSD]

I'm in.

Mike, can we make this a pinned/sticky thread?

[PaceAdvantage]

Signature #3

Mike G.

Founder, www.PaceAdvantage.com (http://www.paceadvantage.com/) & 20 year horseplayer

They don't need last names. All they need to know is that there is $$$$ behind these names that can impact their bottom lines.

If they wish to get in touch with us, they know where to find us.

[Premier Turf Club]

Ian Meyers

CEO Premier Turf Club and 30+ year horse player.

[mhrussell]

:ThmbUp: Matt R.

[DanG]

Daniel G.

Full time horseplayer, period the end.

[Bruddah]

John Wilkins a.k.a Bruddah...45 years playing the horses and disgusted with the present situation of horse racing and on line betting.

[gregrph]

Singature-
Greg K.
gregrph

[freehouse2002]

Sergio P.

Horseplayer 15+ years

[shanta]

Richard P. - Horseplayer 25 years

[statik27]

I'm on:

Statik27

Throwing money into track pools for 15+ years.

[betchatoo]

Scott Urban, horseplayer for 39 years

[Tom]

Tom B.

40+ years feeding the ponies....now raising moths.

[cj]

Craig M
www.pacefigures.com (http://www.pacefigures.com)
Horseplayer, 24 years

[BillW]

Bill - player 15 years

[justin]

Justin - horseplayer of 15 years.

[Bill Olmsted]

Bill Olmsted -- player for 40 years.

[Pace Cap'n]

Stephen S. - playing for 42 years and...life partner...

Dorrene E. - playing for 20 years

[arkansasman]

John McCollum - 30 year horseplayer

[Maji]

Consider this as my signature.

Thanks,
Maji

[ddog]

Great ideas

John A. 30+years

[Froggy]

I'm on board.

I only use Brisbet now to bet a race that I can't get elsewhere and then only a minimal amount.

Froggy

[witchdoctor]

Rick I
playing 18 years

[Ted Craven]

Ted Craven, 24 years

[lsbets]

Jeff S.
17 years playing the horses

[ceejay]

Craig P.

Horseplayer over 30 years.

[Indulto]

... The Jockey Club is having a meeting later this week and a member who prefers to remain anonymous has agreed to present a petition to them. If you'd like to use your real name but not post it on the board-pmail me and I'll write it in. If you want to use your screen name-have at it. If you know people from other boards that might be interested, please alert them.Anonymous to Anonymous ... How can I resist.

Player since Kelso was champ

Indulto

[Binder]

Wm. Varone
administrator
Pace and Cap
A Sartin Methodology Discussion board
http://bindfold.com/forums/index.php (http://)

A student and user of the Sartin Methodology
Wagering daily since 1997

"The cure for losing is winning"

[Dan H]

Dan H - 4 years

[csmith]

I have been playing the horses for over forty years and have never seen the industry in such a horrible state. No concern whatsoever for the horseplayer. The only bright spot on the horizon is Premeir Turf Club.

[joeyreb]

Joe C. player since 1985

[trying2win]

Jim R.

--A horseplayer for about 45 years.

[Our Boy Chuck]

Former Racing Business Employee and 25 year player

I know where the bodies are and I will tell. Fix this now.

[prospector]

russ e. horseplayer 35 years

[boomman]

Boomer in 30+ years

[finfan]

Mark D.

Playing for 10+ years

[speedking]

Full-time TB player since 1981

speedking

[The Hawk]

Playing horses for 26 years, and getting more and more disgusted with each passing one.

Dan D.

[rrpic6]

Handicapper/Horseplayer since 1988
Professional since 2000.

Ron R.

[stuball]

Very few honest people left in this sport we love...1 of the few
is Premier Turf Club . Invention and innovation are being forgotten
by the status quo suits in charge of most of the tracks.
What Woodbine did to PTC is unforgivable and they will never see
a penny of my money in their pools

Stuball :confused:

[chuck]

Chuck F. 25+ years.

I have actually stopped betting. I find it increasing difficult to bet on the tracks that I want. I refuse to bet with 2 or more ADW's. I have never seen a industry that treats its paying customers with so much contempt. This "open the doors and they will come" mentality has to stop or I will not be back.

[parlay]

Michael Gotkin- player for 45 years.
Due to the arrogance of the industry i am almost
completly on the sidelines this summer.
The jazz festivals, restaurants, resorts etc. have all
been thrilled to take my cash. I am livin large.

Only watched 3 days of Saratoga, betting 2 of them.
10 years ago this would have meant i had been in coma.

[ponypro]

Tom - Horseplayer 40 years

fairly significant annual handle. Began boycoting CDI with Derby. havent played any of their tracks since

[TimesTheyRAChangin]

Barry C.-47 Years

[Trijack]

Jack K., playing over 50 years

[obeguy]

I support the petition

[exiles]

EXILES player for 35 years .

Louie ritis

[DeanT]

Dean.

Horseplayer since around 1989. Owner since 1990.

I am starting to be ashamed to be in this industry on both counts.

The only two tracks who have seen my handle of any size since July are Laurel and Ellis Park.

[JustRalph]

JustRalph

hardly playing at all anymore..........

because I am sick of the bickering

and having to dance around to see who is carrying what track

[Kelso]

Just completed my first year. Won't lose any sleep if there's not a second.

[nomadpat]

Please consider this my signature
Patrick F.
15 years

[Jens]

Jens Nielsen

Owner/Breeder in the 70's and 80's.

Horseplayer over 30 years.

[Greyfox]

Good Post,

Copy the comments. Attach them. Mail them in.
In the meanwhile, Money talks.
If it's so bad, walk, at least for a little while. It's just that simple.
That beats any petition.
If your going to talk the talk, make sure you walk the walk.

I don't see that happening, yet.

[Jeff P]

I'll sign. Horseplayer for 26 years.

Jeff Platt

.

[JoeH]

Joe H

More fan than player

[socantra]

My online play has gone to virtually zero, just like a few years ago when attempts to control the signal made betting online more trouble than it was worth. I'm still betting some at the local indian casino, but my total nut this year is a mere fraction of normal and will remain so til the greedheads give it up again

Richard B.

[RAMON201]

Yes its about time we let them know how we feel. ramon201

[michiken]

Ken from Michigan
25 plus years

[kenwoodallpromos]

Ken Woodall.
Watched my first TBred race in the early 1960's.
Controlling simulcasting is a good place to begin standardizing racing. Too much hit or miss in attendance and betting revenue now not to do it.

[rokitman]

Christopher R.- 20 years

[Bubbles]

Andrew C. - 10 years

[Wiley]

William B., playing the ponies for 28 years, disgusted by the continued lack of consideration in this industry to the paying customers, we horseplayers. My playing has been less and less this summer. Nice idea with this petition. Thanks.

[GoBabyGo]

frank t. signing up.

by a horseplayer out of a horseplayer. been betting since diapers. the people in charge dont give a shit about us. hit them in their wallet i say.

[HEY DUDE]

I agree. Jon L

[Alberich]

Peter G.
12 years of watching the 'name' tracks go from WANTING handle to acting like if you are not on their property your money is evil.

[Houndog]

Consider this my signature.
Mike B. Handicapping for 30+ years.

[Tim]

Tim H. - Horseplayer for over 40 years

[alydar]

Tim N. playing twenty five years, not sure how much more.

[Golf man]

Bill L - 1st bet made at Sacramento State Fair, summer 1972.

[Mike P]

Mike P - 28 years.

[ALL CIRCUITS GO]

ALL CIRCUITS GO.

Been playing 30+ years. Its always about the money for them, never for the daily players who support the industry.

[Fwizard]

Frank M--player for 20 years-I have cut back because of having to use several ADW's.

[facorsig]

Agreed.

Fred C., industry participant as owner, holding trainer's license, and handicapper

[OTM Al]

Al Corns.

Only 5 years. Guess why none of those have been on line.....

[Gordon Pine]

28 years in the most dysfunctional "industry" outside of... sorry, I can't think of another one more dysfunctional.

[Hank]

Hank White, Capping 27 years

[LaughAndBeMerry]

I have had it. Wake up and smell the coffee. In five years racing will be like boxing is, mostly irrelevant. All of you Track Net, TVG, Churchill, Magna, NTRA and Jockey Club should be ashamed of yourselves. Your greed killed this game.

Glenn K Horse Owner 35 year player

[DrugS]

Doug S.

Bet on horses thanks to my grandfather for most of my pre-teenager and teenager years. Have bet on horses all my adult life.

[lsosa54]

Lou S.
Horseplayer - Since 1988

No matter what state I live in, I'd like to have one legal account to bet all tracks, with no fees.

[howardjim]

45 years at the game. Count me in.

[rrbauer]

Richard Bauer circa Santa Anita 1959 - Age 20 (the good ol' days)
(We used to go in the gate from the infield parking lot. They opened that gate first (5-minute head start) and if you ran like hell thru the tunnels you could beat the grandstand attendees coming in from the regular gates to the best seats.)

Many people at this board and around the racing world supported our 13-month boycott of Magna tracks. (www.boycottmagna.com)

I support this movement without qualification.

[Hammerhead]

Bill K HAMMERHEAD

[azbacks]

Pete H.....Arizona

[xtb]

5 years and counting. I'll gravitate to where I'm treated like a valuable customer.

[DarrenClarke]

Mike H 25 years, at the current situation , quite possibly not another year. (With the exception of Ky Derby and BC)

[Red Knave]

Bob D.
Handicapping and wagering for 35+ years .

[Valuist]

John P-Illinois 25 years

[Topcat]

agree

Todd C.

Betting for over 35 years
Former Owner

This is the only industry where the customer is treated as if they are always
wrong.

[bobbyb]

....a former owner(Stdb), trainer, and player since 1968, my personal boycott began 2+ years ago (WOODBINE). If the current trend of "deaf ears" towards the wants of the betting public continues, We, the people who supported this industry for decades, our beloved jockeys who risk life and limb each time there "on", trainers, owners, breeders, grooms and a host of those who make this Sport possible - will soon be a footnote in history.


my support,
bobbyb

[pic6vic]

Vic A

Playing since Carryback won the derby. (1961).

I support 100%

Also if not remedied bt January, I will give up playing. 46 years nad I am through

[losealot]

My name "losealot" says it all!

[betovernetcapper]

JERFI has asked for his name to be attached-thank you Jerfi :)

[TurfRuler]

Sign my name to the list

In response to the NTRA on-line survey recently sent out I tried to list this issue as one of the things that is wrong with racing to date, your petition hits the nail on the head and is what I was trying to express in so many words.

[headhawg]

If you are not part of the solution you are part of the problem. Consider my signature as a small contribution to the solution.

Let's hope that the "Powers-that-be" :rolleyes: in the industry actually care enough to do something before we all take up poker.

Brian W.

[cj's dad]

John M. - 18 years tearing up tickets.:)

[NTamm1215]

Nick Tammaro (20+ year horseplayer)

[Hard2Like]

Sign me up,also.
Bruce B.
Can't we all just get along?

[discodog]

Add my name to the list

[jma]

Jerry A.---horseplayer and fan for 14 years

[tbioaj]

Terry Biondo. Illinois horseman for 10 years. Horseplayer for 30 yrs.

[glennd]

Glenn D /1 year

[NoCal Boy]

Mike V. horseplayer for 30 years

[njcurveball]

Jim C.

30+ years in this game.

[profeg]

Count me in.

Profeg

20 years playing the ponnies

[richrosa]

Richard R.

[fran'svalentine]

Add my name. Sheila Delk

[CBedo]

Chris B

[bishlap]

my first post...and a worthy one.

[calprof]

I've been playing the horses 25 years and I'm tired of this whole mess. They need to quit arguing like a bunch of little kids hording their toys and start sharing the signals. ENOUGH is ENOUGH!!!:bang:

[swedejxn]

William A. aka Swedejxn

[slotterhaus]

John O. -- an unvalued customer since Aqueduct '77.....

[jjflan]

Yeah, baby!!!

Jim F., Arizona

[fuzzycam]

Due to this ridiculous feud, I have bet less than $ 5,000 so far this year....about a tenth of my usual activity....due mostly to the inability to place a bet at any track not "licensed" by my provider......and partly due to the idiotic laws here in Texas preventing my provider from allowing bets at Texas tracks.....

I wholeheartedly support this petition


Carl

[csperberg]

Calvin Sperberg

[Turfday]

Bob S. (in the business as an owner, breeder, handicapper and in horse racing data for more than 30 years).

[Rxlawyer]

I STRONGLY AGREE THAT SOMETHING MUST BE DONE !! THERE IS MORE THAN ENOUGH MONEY TO GO AROUND!! :confused:

[spanky]

Clarence Donaldson serious horse player for 37 years.:mad:

[how cliche]

Pete R. 8th year player

I'm a complete sicko who's always looking for the next good opportunity, so I can't indefinitely participate in a boycott when the next good thing could come along at any time. But until then I will abstain.

[westny]

Fan and bettor for 8 years.

Only sport that "kills" new customers" with corporate MONOPOLY tactics.
See ATT and IBM to see where monopolizing got them.

[Pickwick]

Full-time player mostly at NYRA, which is total disarray along with the other crud going on that completely disrespects the people who make this business work - US!!

Good job putting this together.

We can always hope this petition doesn't fall on deaf ears, but I think the powers that be think they have us by the culunes and think there will always be players that send it in.

Maybe they're in for a nice surprise.

[wolsons]

Steve Wolson

horseplayer: 40 years
disgusted: RIGHT NOW

[smokinjoe@bp]

joe c.(smokinjoe) player for 28yrs.

[Jeep]

I'm in. 40 year player.
John Melting (Jeep)

[Alydarwasbest]

It's interesting that you quote Bob Evans of Churchill Downs. I believe Churchill has much to do with the current state of affairs. I live in Louisville and I know first hand how player unfriendly Churchill is. Unfortunately we are in the middle of a contractual battle between lots of players. But the main battle is between TVG and Churchill. TVG has nothing to offer from a product standpoint. TVG has no product. TVG is a legal bookie. Now Churchill has a product. However, Churchill is interested in only one thing - making money. Churchill doesn't care how many players they turn off by refusing to work out an equitable deal with TVG. Churchill wants to see TVG go down the drain. In order for this to happen Churchill is willing to wait for all of the TVG partner tracks contracts to expire. And not all of the contracts need to go up in smoke. Just enough for TVG to throw in the towel. If TVG loses NYRA or whatever new NYRA will be, TVG will be done. Churchill will then offer tracks a similar arrangement that TVG has offered them along with televising races through HRTV. So Churchill prefers to wait it out. Time is on their side. I hate the fact that this is going to happen but what can TVG do? Short of getting the New York franchise I really believe TVG will flat line at some point. Good luck with the petition.

[songpainter]

I am In 47 year player

[Triple Nickle]

Kenneth F. 20yr horseplayer

[Pcon04]

I've been playing for many years let our voices be heard

LOUD AND CLEAR...... PCON

[dkithore]

I support this reasonblel petition as it is in the interest of all horse players.


Regards

Dkithore

[mrp]

mrp playing for 30+ years

[DuncanPatch]

Been a passioante player for 53 years, and I know a lot of horses who are smarter and more honest than the guys who invent these kinds of destructive, greed-driven arguments.
Lyn C., aka DuncanPatch

[razzle]

I'm in.

[GuyMartini]

Count me in!

[Lert]

Rick Mellert

Horse player 35 years.

We can't let the corporatocracy ruin our passion. Boycott is very possible!

[dmattern]

Played the ponies for almost 60 yrs. I am signing on for this petition.
Sincerely
Dwight Mattern

[arno]

Arnie The Ump


First Bet April 30, 1968 Yonkers Raceway

[TriSuper]

I'm in. I've been going to the track with my dad since I was 7 years old. I've been betting them since I was 9. So that makes me a 32 year veteran.

This has got to end or our sport will.

I have an easier time betting illegally on pro sports than I have betting legally on horse racing.

Thanks.
TS

[virginia1946]

I fully support this petition. I have been a horseplayer for over 20 years. I play online exclusively and I never know for sure which tracks I can play because of all the friction between the different racing entities. Why can't they get their act together.

Virginia Long
virginia1946

[dav4463]

David Stewart

[kitts]

Horse player since Age 14 ( 57 years ago) and have some years of experience in both the handicapping products and data provider businesses

[harcapper]

A voice from a fan of that other breed who crosses over from time to time and dates back to Dr. Fager (1966).

Over 80,000 burgers served ehh oops!!!!!!! thats for the McDonalds forum. I meant to say 80,000 races live not to mention the simulcasts that cannot be counted.

The Harnesscapper

[hcapperjag]

Disgruntled Brisbet subscriber.
Tired of downloading pp's only to find I can't bet or have to phone it in (ain't doing it).

Go for it gang.

Count me in.

Jeff G.

[banacek]

Dave T

first bet 1968

[Roamin]

Tom Rivello-(Roamin)
Going on 66 yrs of age, been involved with betting the thorobreds since I was 17, you do the math,lol.

[sealord]

Jeff L.

[pjd888]

signed,

Pete D.

[ruready]

I will gladly add my name to your petition....and will also bring this to the attention of my MANY horseplayer friends and acquaintances here in Las Vegas.



ruready.

[racko]

Pat Ratkovich

[bluebluesea]

M.N. Prather

[tryto]

Add My name to the List

Tryto

[Fredo515]

I sent an e mail to Brisbet the other day telling them I am all done with them till this BS comes to an end !

[sevenall]

Brad H.

20 year horseplayer

[fight]

bill m

[pandy]

Put me in there--

Bob Pandolfo

[tucker]

Gary T I'm in. Horse player 30 years

[SilverSow]

Count me in...

Dave Champagne (SilverSow)

[Jesterjj]

Jesse E.

There are youngsters at stake here as well. I'm only 21.

[mudcat]

james o 27 years, i'll go with it.

[WaHoo]

Bill D

35+ years

[railbird]

thirty nine (39) years and getting tired of being screwed around with .

louie maccarino
staten island
NY

[SportsmanPark]

37 yrs

[burt]

burt p.
horse player for over 20 years.

[STABLEMATE]

STABLE MATE aka Mike P. is strongly behind this petition.

[SAL]

Stacey L.

17 year horseplayer

[Michael]

Michael M

[Bluenose]

Rob M

[teegee]

Tony Greco

35 years a regular player

[Johno]

I'm in... 37 years experience and willing to boycott.

John O.

[creigp]

Avid Player for 25+ Years.
No Longer interested.

[Punter]

I'm In. Been a player for over 50 years and sorry to seen my favorite sport going downhill.

Punter

[nell]

How about adding to this complaint the increased use of drugs to enhance a thoroughbred's performance; how about the establishment of a national board to regulate racing so we can do away with state-by-state rules; how about the humane treatment of retired thoroughbreds; how about being the voice for those we have no choice?

[joanied]

I'll sign on the dotted line too...

joanied

Trotter..."I'm having a very good day"

[Alc]

Al C 40 years

[Partsnut]

ALL CIRCUITS GO.

Been playing 30+ years. Its always about the money for them, never for the daily players who support the industry.

I've been playing for 51 years and concur.
It's all about the money.

The Jockey Club will take no action. I've been down this road before. Equibase, who owns most of the services
will do nothing as well. I remember well when they where giving free html charts which is now being sold and charged for. Greed is ruining the Industry.

[agww]

signature

AGWW

[Roger]

Count me in!
27 years.....Big change needed!

[098poi]

Horseplayer 20+ years. Now exclusively internet wagerer. If it lasts!!!!!!!!

[Whitehos]

Whitehos........Eliot S
65 years of horse racing. Can you beat that? This is the worst I have ever experienced the industry.

[122425]

30 + years

---come on you guys----"Its Post Time"

Mike B

[chazz]

Charles B. 45 years Handicapping
Chazz

[tandav0716]

I totally agree.
David W.

[abe]

I agree. abe1947 David V. (Kentucky)

[casey]

I support this petition whole heartedly!

[Bignick63]

Bignick63

[ImCashinIn]

If not for our dollars, where would you be?
Rock

[tfogue]

I started handicapping Ak-Sar-Ben in 1970. I have enjoyed the progress the sport of horseracing has made over the years. I can sit in front of the TV and run to the den to make a bet on-line. I still go to live racing in Hot springs, but this internet betting is great. Until this summer, that is.

These internet providers, TV shows, and tracks are like little kids. "It's my ball and only Johny and Joe can play...." I haven't made a half dozen bets since this bickering started this summer. I used to bet every day.

Who is this hurting?

I still download a form every once in a while, but not being able to bet my favorite tracks takes a lot of the fun out of handicapping.

So I will remain silent in Iowa until these guys grow up.

[winbets]

I Agree Jim MacElwee Player for over 45 years

[OverlayHunter]

Ed W

A sport that should command great attention because of its memorable moments, challenges and achievements (both human and equine) is overshadowed by avarice, gross mismanagement, an almost total lack of concern for the customer (with some notable exceptions) and no apparent plan or effort to reach a larger audience. Sad, sad, sad, sad, sad.

[takeout]

takeout

[Nosebob]

Pease add me to the list.

Bob Mac- Trying to beat the take for 25 years

[dlgreg]

dlgreg

[bigmack]

Consider my sombrero in the mix.

J Mack

[Tee]

Tee - 12 yr horse player.

Currently playing more poker than horses.

[Steve 'StatMan']

Steve M - Newspaper Handicapper. Work from home & bet mostly from home. Many tracks I cover end up on different providers, including a recently purchased one, which botched my paperwork as did its sibling company, and locks me out of making deposits. So I said heck with it, didn't bet those tracks this year and can take or leave the provider. Personal handle has to be at a 5 year low due to somewhat restricted limited track availabilty.

[classhandicapper]

Count me in.

Wayne C.

[Donnie]

Don N---

Been playing for 32 years, planning on 32 more....but not if things continue the way they are!

Consider me signed up!

[thoroughbred]

I agree.
Please use my screen name: thoroughbred

[john del riccio]

John Del Riccio, Horseplayer for 25 + years
www.woodsideassociates.com (http://www.woodsideassociates.com)

[MikeDee]

I hope this effort helps, but will anyone in racing ever consider something other then their own self interest?

[Richard]

I'm honored to stand with all of you.
Richard G. Poirier
Topeka,KS
Thoroughbred Handicapper-Investor 20 yrs.(approx.)

[ratpack]

Chris Siciliano

Horse Player since 1965

[mmarkon]

Been playing for many years.

Count me in!~

[schweitz]

schweitz---30+ yr player

[keilan]

Where do I sign – more than 30 years since I made my 1st wager.

[rico]

I AM IN
BEEN AT THIS GAME FOR 38 YRS. THEY DONT GIVE A RATS ASS ABOUT THE PLAYER LETS GIVE THEM SOMETHING TO THINK ABOUT :mad:

[gillenr]

Lost my first race in 1956 - still trying to get even, but I'm in!

[Equifan]

Stan Brown
Been wagering on thoroughbreds for 35+ years.
How much longer...?

[shamrock]

s.smyth

28 years.

[Big Bill]

Big Bill, Florida

[bucktron]

Devoted 30+ years to this game. Any Sport, Methodology, or Empire is eventually toppled as a result of a disease from within. In this case its greed. What happened to rule one of gamesmanship “Don’t Kill the Goose that lays the Golden Eggs” ?

[tmpg2000]

I'm signed in


TMPG2000

[arfalco]

Fred F.

[aaron]

include me in-
Aaron S

[sjk]

Steve K

[KyRacer]

Ben H 35 years and counting. Get'er Done!!

[PatriotFan]

I'm in 45 year player

Gerard O

[sjmeola]

AddMe to the growing list..

Horsepalyer for 17 years

[bpiets]

Howdy, 'HEAR' 'HEAR' 'o' 'you' persons that UNDERMINE '>>'us'<< the BETTORS' of this SPORT of 'KINGS' and do stop 'your' NIT-PICKING and do what is normal in any BIZZ-NESS....which is to SERVE >>>US<<< that keep 'YOUR' "MANGY'' 'HIDES' out of the SALVATION ARMY HOSTEL SYSTEM......Allthough this would NOT be a 'BAD' IDEA for a few years...lol....just so 'YOU' 'how-low-can-'we'-go' and 'get-away-with-'this'and-that' 'creeps get a 'REAL' concept of life...and suffer some of the consequences of 'YOUR' COLLECTIVE ACTIONS on a NATIONAL enterprise which 'YOUR' >>ILK'<< ARE DESTROYING ......and 'it's' always a HANDFUL of HUMAN trash ( the 'help' mostly' ) that somehow got into the ADMINISTRATIONS AREAS that destroys the overall enjoyment of the MAJORITY....So, quit 'screwing with 'us' , the FOUNDATION OF ANY SPORT...THE FANS.. :cool: .....ETC...ETC...ETC... :mad: :cool: GET OFF 'OUR' BACKS..... :mad: :(...a 'horse' player for 40 years....)....

[joeyspicks]

Joseph M.

Horse player ( 5-6 times /week) 25 yrs

Strongly urge you to listen to this!

[hornrl]

Ronald H. - Please hire a professional mediator or someone please be diplomatic and get this mess resolved before you destroy all interest the sport of horseracing! Thank you

[bpiets]

Devoted 30+ years to this game. Any Sport, Methodology, or Empire is eventually toppled as a result of a disease from within. In this case its greed. What happened to rule one of gamesmanship “Don’t Kill the Goose that lays the Golden Eggs” ?
'lLOL'....the 'GOD-FATHERS' 'FRIEND' SAID A LONG TIME AGO THAT 'THEY' ARE BIGGER THAN GENERAL MOTORS.....and the 'horse-racing' industry is 'FILLED' with 'guys' like CHARELS BRONSON 'saying' to the 'head' of 'one' of the families' ''why should 'he' 'fix' a race with 'his' own' race-hourse' on another members 'say-so'......??>..lol....and the industry has degenerated/declined since then....lol...or was 'it' sometime before....GREED, GREED, GREED,....throughout the industry..... :( :mad: :ThmbDown: )...

[Lee]

Lee M.

Please listen to this petition!

[doophus]

About 14yrs in the game.

George E.

[smallchange]

Terry M. - 15 year player

[retcu29]

Include me and any other action in the future...40 years...Larry

[John]

Every day I think of a phone bet account...You guys give me a million reasons not to.

[Pell Mell]

George P., TN

Been at it for 60 yrs and been doing it for a living for 40. We always complained that the tracks NEVER did anything for the middle age male. They used to have ladies day, free gift days , etc. but nothing for us. The more things change , the more they stay the same.

But, it was us that killed the immigration bill (for now) and we can do the same to these clowns.

[Overlay]

Count me in.

Tim M.

[Skanoochies]

Went to Lansdowne Racetrack in B.C. in 1952. Been a fan ever since, but it seems they are trying to drive us away. :mad:

Bob P.

[storm95]

Playing 35 yrs. i'm in.

[valueguy]

I am in.

Maurice G

[horsefan9411]

West coast horseplayer for 45 years.

[falconridge]

Consider this posting to be my endorsement of the initiative advanced by my colleagues on the paceadvantage.com disscussion board. I have been an avid racing enthusiast since May 4, 1968 (Dancer's Image's Kentucky Derby), and a bettor since my eighteenth birthday (1972).

--Richard J. D.

[The Furry Beast]

What more do I need to say? I'm fairly young & look forward to betting online soon on this great and ancient sport (as soon as the workouts benchtesting my research are through), but I'm afraid others who would otherwise be more attracted to handicapping will look elsewhere than horseracing to apply & try their skills & $ for fun & profit. The future of the sport is at stake!

Add my real name to the petition, & thanks for posting the petition for sigs (I was alerted to the whole situation by an email from paceadv@paceadvantage.com -- thank you!

Signed,

Mark R. Brux
furrybeast@iname.com
"Still a kitten at 46!"

[TonyK@HSH]

Tony K,

Horseplayer for 30+ years, owner and FAN of the game.

[Lefty]

I'm in.
Chuck Swope

[ROK]

Horseplaying is all I do...7 days a week...for the last 24 years.

R.K

[kingfin66]

Michael C., Auburn WA.

[Fred]

Fred S. , TN

playing for 35 years

[Milleruszk]

Me Too! 40+ year horse player

Tom M

[toothdoctor]

count me in and in the pace advantage corner.
the "toothdoctor"

[Harmonicaslim]

I'm on board.

[whobet]

Whobet is in,

and I agree with Andy Beyer,
there is a civil war going on in the wagering part of this industry,

a couple of weeks ago on a friday,
there were six tracks running,
I could only bet three with my BRISBET account,

then Ellis closed due to storm,
and i could only bet two tracks.

What is the matter with you track operators,
If I owned a race track,
my signal and betting options would be open to every outlet I could find,
duh, that's how you make your living,
taking bets,
not driving customers away from your track.

The Owners, Trainers and Jockeys also should be screaming BLOODY MURDER,
as well as the betting public.

[FortuneHunter]

Consider this my signiture on your petition
Albert L.

[rcknhrse]

signed sealed and now delivered

michael d

horse player for over 30 years

member of brisbet and youbet

as the doctor said at the end of bridge on the river kwai

MADNESS!MADNESS!

[Hajck Hillstrom]

My first day at the track in 1974, I saw a kid named Russell Baze win his first race, and my passion for the game continues to grow, as long as it is allowed to. When I see players the likes of a Lee Russo, a back-to-back Thoroughbred Handicapping Champion, leave the game for greener pastures (Poker), and then watch daily the industry shoot themselves in the foot, I am forced to question the direction the game that I invest my heart, my soul, and my bankroll on is taking. "The greater good" is a brilliant concept, but if everyone has a different interpretation of the notion, who will decide just what is the greater good? The Jockey Club is in a position of influence. Please, use it... for the greater good.

[tulsated]

I'am in, the B.S. needs to be stopped

Ted T.

[Sherry]

Im definitely in.

Sherry

[ArlJim78]

I hope someone will listen, I simply wish for once be treated like a customer.
been playing for 30 years.

jim C

[jk3521]

Please don't let this beautiul sport die!