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orrug2k

07-20-2007, 08:57 AM

Hey, I started using a new method to predict pace and wondered if anyone would like to see my pics. Over 4 days its ahead $700 on win, $300 on place and $200 on show bets. Based on $20 bets. Whats Cool is it Won in each catagory every day. I am not going to spend a day doing this.. only track, race , horse, at the end of the day I will sum it all up in a fewnumbers...Would it be fair to add 5 percent rebate to the number. Seems like most could get that.

andicap

07-20-2007, 11:18 AM

why not? show us what you've got :)

judd

07-20-2007, 12:19 PM

:bang:

orrug2k

07-20-2007, 12:58 PM

Here you go. Lots to watch.. of course after doing so well it will get creamed today, then you can have me for lunch. NO CLUE ON SCRATCHES..
BEL 3-6
5-7
6-4
7-9
CBY
7-8
CNL
4-1
7-8
CRC
1-4
CT
6-10
7-6
9-1 BEST BET
MON
9-5
PEN
7-3 BB
8-1 BB
RD
3-1
SR
3-7
6-1
TDN
8-7
WO
1-7
ELP6-1
9-9
EMD 3-4
FL 2-5
FP 7-6 BB
LAD 2--7
7-2
9-5
10-9
LS 6-8
8-1
MTN 2-6
9-8

spicytomato

07-20-2007, 02:14 PM

give it shot
see how it works

post a few days and see if it works for others

then you got a system for bettin ponies

thats worth talking about

when you got all the bugs out
maybe can share how you made your picks

just a thought:)

rcknhrse

07-20-2007, 04:27 PM

orrug2k

07-20-2007, 04:39 PM

OUT FRONT SO FAR......WELL SEE....UP TODAY AND OVER $700 FOR THE LAST 4 DAYS ON $20 BETS. ( CANT PROVE IT SO DONT ASK OR ACCUSE) I USE A SET OF DATA THAT IS CRUNCHED THEN MANIPULATED TO 4 LEVELS OF EXCLUSION , REMAPPED FOR POTENCY AT THE TRACK AND THEN REDUCED BY COMPUTER TO SPIT OUT A WINNER. A PSYCHOLOGICAL PROFILE IS USED TO DETECT WEAKNESSS IN THE BETTORS MIND AND THEN IT BECOMES A PLAYABLE RACE. FIGURES ARE USED THAT THE PUBLIC CANNOT SEE. THEY ARE FOCUSING ON THE WRONG DATA AND IGNORING THE OBVIOUS. .........hOW MANY TIMES HAVE YOU HEARD CRAP LIKE THAT. I JUST PICK BASED ON FIGS AND MY 30 YEARS OF WATCHING RACES. I DO KNOW THINGS THE PUBLIC DOESNT NOTICE. OFTEN I LOOK AT A RACE AND KNOW I HAVE SEEN THE SCENARIO 100 TIMES BEFORE. PERSONAL OPINION IS THAT ITS INFORMATION OVERLOAD.

rcknhrse

07-20-2007, 05:43 PM

quite a few of those came in 1st or 2nd.
the only thing i can figure since you are being selective is that each play must have a 1 at the first call.in 1 of its last 3 most recent races.i could only find 1 free pp's that was from the colonial race 7.in that affair there appears to be only 2 horses who should go for the lead ,2 and 8,but the 7 has the highest pace fig using the method described above.the 8 has a 1 at the first call in its 3rd most recent start.

rcknhrse

07-20-2007, 06:20 PM

i have no problem figuring who the 3 front runners are going to be,but being able to be selective in which races i can single just 1 of those has been my next goal.the #9 you picked in the bel 7th did not get the lead but did break 2nd and stalked the pace setter and ran a good race only to lose a photo to a longshot.it was a great super if you could have keyed the 9 1st and 2nd with all on top and the other 3 betting favorites 3rd and 4th

orrug2k

07-20-2007, 06:44 PM

yep, like pace horses , toss in my secret factors, maybe perfect trip stalkers...lots of angles. Like I said experience counts. Think were still ahead without rebate...caught 30 dollar horse yesterday but was profitable on win end without it.

BeatTheChalk

07-20-2007, 07:39 PM

i am the first one in my cadre of track chums to use pace as a handicapping tool.i have been doing this for several years.i would like to know your methods and what source of data that you use.i now use bris and take the e1 and e2 from the 2 most recent races and add up the total.i also look at the quirin speed points from the 2 most recent races.

10 - 4 question. If races are starting to be won .. from off the pace on
the Cushion Tracks ...how will your idea hold up ? I hope it holds just fine :ThmbUp:

rcknhrse

07-20-2007, 08:31 PM

cnl race 7 played out as expected .the #2 jumped well as did the 8 and 9.the 2 opens up a 5 length lead ,while the 8 sits 3rd behind the9.into the far turn the 8 makes his move ,cutting the lead down to 3 at the top of the stretch then powers passed a leg weary 2 and wins by open lengths .#7 makes a powerful run to get 2nd while the 2 somehow holds on to 3rd by a narrow lip ,putting a little wood into the triple considering the $1 ex only paid $10.so your last post did hint at a perfect trip stalker.which is what the 8 was.he was also the ML fav ,post time co fav with the 7,had the 3rd best pace figs,and the highest speed fig most recent which was also the highest of any runners 4 most recent and had the only trainer with a %20 win ratio

orrug2k

07-21-2007, 09:34 AM

HAPPY TO REPORT THINGS WENT WELL FOR 5 DAYS. SHOWED A PROFIT OF $228 ON A 20 WPS BET ADD A 5% REBATE IN AND WERE AT $259 FOR THE DAY AND $959 FOR THE WEEK. HOPE YOU GUYS GOT ON BOARD OR AT LEAST HAD A LITTLE FUN TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW I PICK.

jakew

07-21-2007, 10:55 AM

anything for today

orrug2k

07-21-2007, 01:36 PM

I will try to put some stuff up... kinda hungoverand had to work today. Hate capping when im off my game.

orrug2k

07-21-2007, 03:37 PM

Here are my picks for today, sorry they are late, some already ran, I didnt know any results as of this post.
All for fun so no pastpost haters.

ap 3-6
7-8
bel 2-5
cby 6-3
7-10
cln 3-9
6-1
crc 1-6
12-2
ct 5-3
7-10
8-7
del
5-7
6-8
sr 6-6
elp
3-2
7-2
emd
4-6
6-6
evd 10-9
fe 2-1
5-7
6-4
fl
4-1
fp
2-1
3-1
6-1
7-10
gld
7-2
ls 2-6
3-2
10-8
tdn 3-5
wo 6-4
yav 6-11

spicytomato

07-21-2007, 10:33 PM

thanks for posting with so many selections
i will be watching see how you did today
didnt catch your post till late night
however, looking foward to learning a few tricks
of the game from someone friendly

have a great winning day next time out

orrug2k

07-21-2007, 11:02 PM

Sorry didnt post my best bets today. Calder race 12 was one of 4 best bets and he paid 9.60 , Lonestar race 10 horse was one. He paid 11.20. One other was secod and paid 2.20 the other ran out. I will do that tomorrow. surprising those paid so much, on paper they were far faster. Must have been other factors on other horses that looked better. I like faster feet the best.

orrug2k

07-21-2007, 11:49 PM

Hey results for sat were not so hot... onthe $20 wps we lost $127. UP $130 for the past 2 days and up $$830 ish for the week. Not bad for alot of play.

orrug2k

07-22-2007, 11:17 AM

ap 8-5
bel
4-9
8-6
cby 9-7
cln 2-4
5-2 best bet
crc 1-5 bb
6-1
7-7
10-7
11-2
elp 1-5
emd 2-6
3-6
5-10
7-9
fe 2-7
3-2
4-4 bb
6-1 bb
lonestar
1-2
3-4
7-6 bb
9-1
rd
1-2
sr
5-2
8-10
10-1
tdn 2-2

judd

07-22-2007, 11:39 AM

:bang: you need to play a few more races

orrug2k

07-22-2007, 02:36 PM

Actually Judd i cut back a few today... no poly..or not much. no mtn or lad...tracks I cant figure. Local handicapper at mtn understands trainer patterns and whos not sending, and why. Bet his picks or dont play mtn is my advice. Speed on poly is not my game too. AP and Wo seem to hold some speed. Hey were way aheadd so far. $20 elp horse. My stuff works because I dont look at factors that would talk me off betting my picks.

spicytomato

07-22-2007, 02:49 PM

to post often....
its on the reader to decide what the deal/steal of the day is gonna be:)

i will be watching for you to settle down to tracks that favor you and
that you favor....the teamwork could be a big plus to the forum:ThmbUp: :ThmbUp:

best of luck today

i heard from a friend astrologer...that the moon will be strongest for
vibrations during the 3pm to 6pm hours today....looks like might be
right....we had normal gorgeous day going ....the winds are picking
up really strong and skies look like rain...and oh gee its only 2:48
use the winds to bring you what you most desire....huge wins!!

peace...:kiss: ...

jakew

07-22-2007, 04:59 PM

looks like winning day today. look at that belmont winner $50.00. thanks again

orrug2k

07-22-2007, 05:00 PM

good for you.... congrats hope you got well...

BIG RED

07-22-2007, 05:03 PM

nice call with 'Madness, sure was!

rcknhrse

07-22-2007, 08:37 PM

i dont have the form for all of your races,but i am guessing 1 factor in narrowing your selection is days away.in that belmont race with the $50 winner only 2 horses were coming back in less that 21 days,#6 being 1 of those

orrug2k

07-23-2007, 02:32 AM

SUNDAY RESULTS

DID OK I GUESS...LOL $20 WPS BETS RETURN $682.OO PROFIT FOR THE DAY AND $1510 FOR THE WEEK.... HOPE YOU TWO GUYS BET MY STUFF.. 20 BUCKS TO SHOW ON THE BEST BETS WOULD HAVE WON 78.OO PLUS ...THE BELMONT HORSE BY THE WAY SEEMED LOGICAL..BY MY ANGLES. EVEN IF THAT ONE LOST i THINK WE STILL WERE AHEAD $80 FOR THE DAY.. PLUS WE GOT 27 PLAYS. THATS ENTERTAINMENT I THINK I CAN REALLY HONE THE BEST BETS DOWN TO STANDOUTS.

orrug2k

07-23-2007, 02:21 PM

yep probably loseour azz today.. good luck
the sr races look good.
cnl 1-9
3-6
8-1
del 2=6
5-9 bb
7-6
fe
3-5
4-4
6-3
gld 5-4
mnr
7-10
pha 2-10
4-5
7-8
prarie m
1-1
4-6
sr
3-7bb
4-7
5-6
8-10
9-6
10-8
suf
3-8
6-7 bb
tdn 4-6
7-6
yav 4-3
5-2
6-8bb
9-8

rcknhrse

07-23-2007, 04:25 PM

is del DELMAR or DELAWARE?

orrug2k

07-23-2007, 05:00 PM

del is delaware

orrug2k

07-23-2007, 09:58 PM

looks like we lost $103.00 total for the day.. Show bets were up over 100 dollars. But were all about totals. So wps for the past week or so is $1480 Or so... Todays card sucked, not many jumped out at me but I tried them anyway. Results are reflective. not many winners but plenty ran in the money. Some want an email list of my bets. Im fine with that just send me a note and I will add them for you. Trying to get an idea on poly scenarios tobet. We will study for a while then bet.

Bill

orrug2k

07-25-2007, 11:55 PM

Wow today really sucked... up $790 total....our email concerning closers in speed races did not do well but we had one horse fall in the stretch that was a winner or second and another bled or something.. We will play that angle tomorrow as it would have been ok except for 2 freak occurrneces. All 3 best bets ran in and returned $50 profit for 20 across. Not much concellation.

PaceAdvantage

07-26-2007, 02:20 AM

Wow today really sucked... up $790 total....our email concerning closers in speed races did not do well but we had one horse fall in the stretch that was a winner or second and another bled or something..

Unless you are going to post them publicly, please don't discuss theoretical P&L. It means nothing if we can't see the picks beforehand.

BTW, congrats on your earlier picks that were posted here....

orrug2k

07-26-2007, 09:02 AM

Entered them in a post and somehow didnt hit the right button. Obviously they were not there. Didnt notice.

orrug2k

07-26-2007, 12:34 PM

lots of play today.
ap
7-7
8-6
9-10
cby 2-8
4-8
9-4
10-2 bb
dmr 7-5
elp 2-7
3-5
5-4
7-10
8-8
ct 9-10bb
emd 1-3bb
evd
2-7 bb
wo 1-1
9-6
tdn 8-8
sr
5-1a
7-4
sar 6-2
pen
2-3
4-2
7-4
mon 1=6
3-6

Ok heres horses that should hit the board due to pace scenario

ap2-3
4-2
cby 3-5
5-1
ct4-8
7-2
9-1-
elp 5-4
7-10
wo
2-5
5-10
sr3-6
10-8
sar 3-1
rd 1-7
7-4

orrug2k

07-26-2007, 05:10 PM

ap 7-7 54.00 22.60 12.00

hope everyone had thier 20 across.....

judd

07-26-2007, 05:24 PM

kind of late with your picks arnt you?

orrug2k

07-26-2007, 06:29 PM

I post when Im done. Thats whenever.. They are free... you can get on my email list if you like. Just email me ...

Hosshead

07-26-2007, 08:44 PM

Just curious:
You mentioned something in an earlier post about including a 5% rebate in the totals.
Are your won/loss updates the actual total net, OR adding in a rebate?

orrug2k

07-26-2007, 08:49 PM

rebate added in... way ahead without it.

orrug2k

07-27-2007, 12:11 AM

We won $180 on $20wps wagers tonight. Up $980 so far. The show picks broke even but would have won your $90.00 if bet to place. Lots of action and entertainment today.. We had a $54.00 winner. Looked like a big day . Well take the win.

orrug2k

07-27-2007, 12:34 AM

PaceAdvantage

07-27-2007, 02:13 AM

Either your picks are winning or they aren't. What's to hate?

However, I will hate it when you finally point me to the web site where I can sign up for $40/month.

I checked your picks the first day and your 31 picks ($62) returned $74 for win, $65.30 for place and $68.7 for show....

I've been too lazy to check any other days....

Again, why do you expect "hate" to come your way?

andicap

07-27-2007, 07:30 AM

kind of late with your picks arnt you?

Huh?
He clearly posted this longshot pick in his 12:34 p.m. post -- he wasn't late at all! (Dont understand why Orrug2k didn't point this out in his rebuttal rather than a rather smart ass answer that will surely antagonize.)

One the one hand, no wonder the guy is defensive. People are LOOKING to knock him down. So he's a bit arrogant -- at least he's winning. (See below for one caveat.)

Why are people looking to jump on him (including PA) just because he will inevitably be selling his picks? If I ever decide (haw, haw, haw) to sell picks on the web, I sure as hell would want to establish a track record giving them out "live" for free before asking people to pony up $$$ on faith alone.

Lots of people post here with ulterior motives, not just those looking to make a buck on selections.

I will, however, agree that PA has one very important and cogent point Orrug should say upfront if he will eventually begin charging people for the picks. It's a little bit of a come-on to say they are "free," and then suddenly starting charging when the bait is set.

Using language like "We're won 180..." does lead me to believe the "We" are
him, the people behind his website and/or "clients."

So come on, Orrug, I'm impressed. (Not that I'm a potential client, mind you).

Are you or are you not leading up to pushing a website?
And if you are, you had better take out an ad on PA or you have an obscene amount of chutzpah and should be banned.

nobeyerspls

07-27-2007, 08:10 AM

For those of you that get up everyday and need to bet something, merely breaking even at this game or winning period beats the heck out of losing 10 or 20k a year. If i can give you action and you dont lose your rent or car payment betting pick 3 or exactas, then your feeding the monster and your wallets arent empty. I know plenty of these folks. This game is more addictive than crack for most of us. What if you could have action and make a few grand instead. OK haters let me have it.

I've had some success at this over the years and some of it stems from an aversion to gambling. I've found that less action leads to higher profit. Think of it as an at bat in baseball with no umpire calling balls and strikes. There's no crowd booing you when you take fifteen straight pitches. Your satisfaction comes when you hit the 16th out of the park.
If you sell your picks you're making a huge mistake. Keep them to yourself and leverage-up on exotics. What did the trifectas and pick3's pay when those longshots came in? A true measure of your confidence with this "system" is your willingness to put your own money at risk with it.

orrug2k

07-27-2007, 09:13 AM

Selling picks is a great idea.. has it ever been tried. So many guys get slammed for spelling on here its just a sure thing Im gonna get it for these posts that share my views and terrible typing. Its more fun to invite it.. Im totally in gest with my hater stuff. Its fun to see the people get excited when they catch a horse, thats the referenenc to you guys. Do you know what a B..ch It would be to have a website and people expecting winners every day. $40 a month would be min wage and 100 peeps betting place and show would not work. Software sellers have hit the mark in my opinion. $100 a month x1000. Let em pick there own. As for me betting. Havent made a bet in 2 months. I would think if one could eak out an roi of 1.07 he could enjoy a hobby and a free vacation maybe.

jma

07-27-2007, 10:43 AM

Huh?
He clearly posted this longshot pick in his 12:34 p.m. post -- he wasn't late at all! (Dont understand why Orrug2k didn't point this out in his rebuttal rather than a rather smart ass answer that will surely antagonize.)

Yeah, and the whole "aren't all you addicted haters who are losing 20K a year better off just betting my picks" post was a little antagonistic too. I'm not a "hater" (oh boy), but I might become one if he continues down that road.

orrug2k

07-27-2007, 12:20 PM

lol. IT TOOK ME A LONG TIME TO FIND THE TRUTH ABOUT GAMBLING. I MIGHT BLOW OUT THE NEXT 5 DAYS. BUT I CAN T LOSE A MIND BET...LOL I WAS ACTUALLY HOPING SOME OLD MEN LIKE MY DAD MIGHT HAVE SOMETHING FUN TO WATCH ALL DAY. MY SUGGESTED WAGERS ARE FOR THOSE THAT CAN AFFORD IT. WHEN ONE OF THESE GUYS HIT A $54.OO HORSE IT MIGHT MAKE THEIR DAY.

orrug2k

07-27-2007, 01:03 PM

I BET THESE DO REAL GOOD TODAY. WATCH HOW MANY PLACE AND SHOW.
AP 8-7
10-3
CBY 4-6
CNL 3-3
4-3
5-6
CRC 6-8 BB
9-1BB
CT2-5
5-1
10-7
DMR 5-6
ELP 5-4
7-7
10-4
EMD 4-10
8-3
EVD 1-3
9-5
10-6
FL 3-8
FP 4-1
7-5BB
8-2BB
LAD
3-6
4-4BB
9-7BB
LS 8-8
MNR 1-7
MON-1-5
3-3
801
SR 8-8
SAR 3-6
4-1
2-5

spicytomato

07-27-2007, 01:43 PM

you hit the nail on the head with your response

i believe many are looking for the big pay with small bet deal
the 99/1 horse ......

altho the price of 20 wps is steep for most people
considering how many selections are posted

however, in the long run , its the person behind
the wager that has to make the decision on what to bet
that day

nothing is certain....a winner can break down near the finnish
line and not make it at all

ease up people and enjoy the forum
and with continued posting might have a chance
to learn a few tricks
and keep tabs on progress
maybe one of these days we get a longshot worth its wieght in gold

have a great day

i will check back in later.......

perhaps the results will be posted as well
thats a big help

thanks for posting your picks

orrug2k

07-27-2007, 02:33 PM

I figure upon paper and post one number...I dont want to use up more time doing all that... that parts not much fun. I notice whobet doesnt post results either...Good luck all

GaryG

07-27-2007, 03:05 PM

Whobet has a well earned reputation as a fine handicapper.

orrug2k

07-27-2007, 03:19 PM

orrug2k

07-27-2007, 05:02 PM

Who bet posted the "old selection method" Oh my god Im flattered.. getting noticed. Thanks Who bet.

Hosshead

07-27-2007, 06:37 PM

I looked at his picks for a few weeks and couldnt see where they broke even. If they do then I apoligize. My point was that hes on here all the time and doesnt post his results daily. Or a running total like I do.
I also checked his results for a time, and like you, found that they were not making money.
(Maybe they would have been profitable had I monitored for a longer period of time - don't know)

BUT:

Orrug, could you please post the results WITHOUT adding a rebate.
Just the ACTUAL Won/Loss/ROI please .

The majority of people don't get a 5% rebate especially making fairly small bets.
Your results/running total aren't really straightforward (like other people) with a "rebate" added on to them.
I'm sure you probably believe that you can show a PROFIT WITHOUT REBATES, so how about it ?

Good luck with your picks.

----- Hoss

orrug2k

07-27-2007, 07:38 PM

I post at 5% because most can get far more. Seems fair. Sign up anywhere and you get 3% off shore. Maybe not on low paying show bets. Anyway good luck and have fun. Reduce my total by the rebate ifyou please.

GaryG

07-27-2007, 08:01 PM

The thing is, results are never posted that way....anywhere.

orrug2k

07-27-2007, 09:01 PM

Ct should be 5-6

ryesteve

07-27-2007, 10:53 PM

I post at 5% because most can get far more.
Only if you have a large bankroll

Sign up anywhere and you get 3% off shore.
... and for a lot of tracks, they offer no rebate.

statik27

07-27-2007, 10:58 PM

The other thing I would point out, is that alot of off-shore sportsbooks have odds-caps. So If you pick a big priced horse you might not get the full odds. But otherwise it seems to be an intriguing method. I'd like to see what happens if you narrow down the types of races you play. Tossing out races is always a goodthing.

statik

orrug2k

07-28-2007, 02:11 AM

yesterdays plays were not so hot...theywere closers and the rain aided front runners in my opinion. We will goback to betting speed tomorrow. And only a select few other bets to see what happens. Initially we were betting 15 races and jumped to 30. Im only going to post stand out best bets. Obvious favorites for the most part that have a superior speed advantage. Someone smack me If I post for lad or mtn. I will also post for long odds speed horses. See ya tomorrow

orrug2k

07-28-2007, 02:05 PM

Ok folks have fun.. were back to speed today.

ap 4-5
7-2
8-2
9-2
cby
1-2
3-6
7-4
9-10bb
ct
1-7
3-3
del 5-7
9-7
elp 1-7
3-1
emd
21-
6-7bb
evd
1-7bb
3-5
fe 3-6bb
fl
6-1bb
fp 2-4bb
5-10
8-9
ls 7-6
11-10
mth 4-4
5-6
8-4
prm 4-8
rd 3-5
sr 7-8bb
suf 5-2
9-5
wo 5-9
6-4

orrug2k

07-29-2007, 12:22 AM

Looks like nobody has posted today so the haters have left and we can have our thing again... I got us losing $500 of our $900 on fri betting those closers. Sat we went back to speed and won our $70.00 back. So were $570.00 up. LIke I said before lots of entertainment. The first 7 days of my trials we avg $100 a day on speed horses..the closers cost us dearly. The closers are so effected by late scratches of speed and off tracks that it just seems smart to only bet speed, rational is rain improves speed staying ability and what looks like a speed duel can become lone speed with one scratch. I going to post early as possible due to church at noon.

orrug2k

07-29-2007, 01:30 AM

OK.... these are place bets only.. You can try show and win if you like but Im trying to keep from huge loss days. Thus the place should be fine.

ap
2-2
3-2
8-9
cby
2-7
cnl 3-9
7-2
8-7
crc
1-7
5-9
6-4
9-7
10-7
ct
2-2
10-3
del
3-4
4-8
dmr
2-9
elp
1-4
4-2
11-10
emd
1-3
5-10
8-6
fe
2-6
4-4
8-8
fl
7-4
ls
1-9
8-1
mth
1-3
3-4
6-7
pha
3-6
rd
2-9
sr
4-3
5-6
suf
4-5
8-5
wo
2-5
4-5
7-10
9-5

Ok these are speed and lots of outside speed. Any scratches should push these forward.

ryesteve

07-29-2007, 09:49 AM

I got us losing $500 of our $900 on fri betting those closers. Sat we went back to speed and won our $70.00 back. So were $570.00 up.
Can you reword this? It looks like you're saying -500 +70 = +570

orrug2k

07-29-2007, 10:29 AM

We were up 980 lost 500 won 70 so were actually at $550. The goal is to eak out $50 a day. I know thats lofty, the west coast hand report brings in something like 3to 5 k a year and you have to bet 1 min to post to be accurate. I found it really hard to do. Subscriptions to that are in the $5oo a year range. Plus the lack of constant action made me make side bets. Easily negating any profits. I Know some of you guys can do that but my time is more valulable than to sit around for 2 races a day. Great info though. I am not knocking the report. The tvg guys use the same horses daily somehow. What a coincidence. We played alot of horses under 5 to one on Sunday, speed horses. Hopefully they will float up.

orrug2k

07-29-2007, 09:21 PM

AS USUAL OUR SPEED PICKS GAIN US $110.00 PROFIT (ONLY $38 WAS REBATE) FOR THE DAY ON OUR PLACE PICS. THAT PUTS US BACK TO $660.00 ON TOP. THOSE THAT BET TO SHOW WON AN EXTRA $80.00.... THATS WHAT ITS ALL ABOUT LOTS OF ACTION AND WE LEAVE HAPPY WITH ENOUGH CASH TO KEEP US HAPPY... BEATS THE HECK OUT OFLOSING A COUPLE HUNDERED ON EXACTAS AND TRI BETS. TO THE BEST OF MY RECOLLECTIONS WE ARE WINNERS 9 OF 10 DAYS ON OUR SPEED PICS AND THE 2 DAYS WE TRIED CLOSERS WE LOST OUR REAR. IF WE HAD SKIPPED THOSE DAYS WE WOULD BE AN EXTRA GRAND AHEAD.

ryesteve

07-29-2007, 11:45 PM

AS USUAL OUR SPEED PICKS GAIN US $110.00 PROFIT
I must be missing something. I'm seeing 42 picks, with winners paying 4.60, 10.80, 10.00, 2.60, 3.00, 3.20, 8.80, 12.00 and 11.70, which comes out to a $173 loss, assuming $20 bets.

orrug2k

07-29-2007, 11:54 PM

You have to remove the scratches and notice these are place bets only... please read betting instructions. 37 bets

ryesteve

07-30-2007, 12:18 AM

You have to remove the scratches and notice these are place bets only... please read betting instructions. 37 bets
See, I knew I was missing something.

But even after taking out the 5 scratches and looking at place bets only, I'm still seeing a $19 loss. Guess I'm still missing something...

orrug2k

07-30-2007, 12:25 AM

Please feel free to join my email list of supporters..by messengering me. My pics are broad in range.. results should be the same if you cant bet some of the tracks. Just increase your wager at the others. Hopefully some of you guys are offshore. Hate to see my roi drop too much when my pics get pounded. Then I would have to hear it from the haters....lol later

orrug2k

07-30-2007, 12:43 AM

Sorry, Added 2 results twice... Total was a 19 dollar loss or so. Were ahead $530.00 about...

BIG RED

07-30-2007, 02:23 AM

'about'

Translations
;Around (1)[Show]

* Chemehuevi: -vacɨ
* Czech: kolem, okolo
* Danish: om, omkring, rundt om
* Dutch: om, rond
* Esperanto: ĉirkaŭ
* Finnish: ympärillä, ympäri, joka puolella
* French: autour
* German: um (herum
* Greek: περί (perí), γύρω από (jiró apó)
* Hebrew: סביב ל...
* Kurdish: dorî, dorî

* Maltese: madwar
* Norwegian: rundt, omkring
* Polish: dookoła, wokoło, wokół
* Portuguese: perto
* Russian: кругом (krugóm), вокруг (vokrúg)
* Romanian: despre
* Slovak: okolo
* Slovene: okoli, okrog
* Spanish: alrededor
* Swedish: om, runt

;In the immediate neighborhood of (2)[Show]

* Danish: på
* Dutch: omheen, bij, in de buurt
* Esperanto: ĉirkaŭ, kun (2, on one's person)
* French:aux environs
* Hebrew: באיזור, בסביבת
* Kurdish: dorî
* Norwegian: rundt
* Polish: przy

* Portuguese: perto
* Romanian: lângă
* Russian: рядом (r'ádom), поблизости (poblízosti), недалеко (n'edal'ekó)
* Slovak: pri
* Spanish: cerca
* Swedish: på

;Over or upon different parts of (3)[Show]

* Chemehuevi: -vacɨ
* Danish: omkring, rundt om
* Dutch: rond
* Esperanto: ĉirkaŭ, ĉirkaŭe en, tra
* Finnish: ympäri
* French:au-dessus, par dessus
* German: über
* Hebrew: על

* Kurdish: dorî, dorî
* Norwegian: rundt
* Polish: ponad
* Portuguese: por aí
* Russian: по (po)
* Slovak: okolo

;Near (4)[Show]

* Danish: omkring, cirka
* Dutch: ongeveer
* Esperanto: ĉirkaŭ
* Finnish: noin, suunnilleen
* French:proche, à côté
* German: ungefähr
* Greek: κοντά (kondá)
* Hebrew: (ב)סביבות
* Kurdish: dorî, nêzî, teqrîben

* Norwegian: rundt
* Polish: około
* Portuguese: por volta
* Russian: приблизительно (priblizít'el'no), примерно (prim'érno)
* Slovak: okolo
* Slovene: okoli
* Spanish: cerca

;In concern with (5)[Show]

* Esperanto: atenta pri
* French:au sujet, à propos
* Kurdish: nêzî

* Maltese: dwar
* Norwegian: om
* Russian: про
* Slovene: o

;On the point or verge of (6)[Show]

* Danish: til, på vej til
* Dutch: op het punt staan
* Esperanto: -ota
* French:en train, sur le point
* Finnish: lähes, melkein
* Hebrew: עמד ל...
* Kurdish: teqrîben

* Norwegian: på veg til
* Portuguese: estar preste
* Russian: готов
* Slovne: o
* Spanish: a punto de
* Swedish: på väg att

;Concerning (7)

That covers a lot :)

ernie simons

07-30-2007, 07:47 AM

Damn dude. Do you really have so much free time on your hands that you could even look all that worthless crap up? And post it? :rolleyes:

GaryG

07-30-2007, 11:43 AM

Damn dude. Do you really have so much free time on your hands that you could even look all that worthless crap up? And post it? :rolleyes:Do you mean Red's definitions or those picks?

orrug2k

07-30-2007, 01:43 PM

DEL 3-2
5-8
9-7
DMR
2-6
FE
1-6
2-3
5-3
8-8
10-12

FL 3-1
PHA 3-6
5-8
9-11

PRM 2-6
4-7
6-7
SUF 1-8
2-3
5-1
6-7
7-3
TDN 3-2
4-9
6-1

THESE ARE PLACE BETS AND SHOW BETS TODAY FOR MORE FUN

WHO EVER THE REBELFLAG GUY IS PLEASE MOVE ON.. I HARDLY THINK A WINNING SYSTEM IS WORTHLESS. POST PICS AND DO A RUNNING TOTAL OR BE QUIET. IM SORRY YOU NEED TO PUT SOMEONE DOWN. ANYONE THATS EVEN BREAKING EVEN IN THIS GAME IS AWINNER. ANYONE WITH THE GUTS TO DO IT SHOULD GO PULL HIS ACT HISTORY AT HIS WAGERING SITE AND SEE HOW HE DID FOR THE LAST YEAR. WINNING A LITTLE WILL LOOK REAL GOOD. THE PLAYERS THAT CLAIM TO HAVE A POSITIVE ROI ON THERE SPOT PLAYS PROBABLY DO BUT BET TONS BACK ON OTHER RACES. I ATTACK WAGERING FROM A DIFF STANDPOINT THAT HAS WORKED FOR ME. BET ENOUGH RACES TO GET ACTION AND TRY TO MAKE A FEW BUCKS.

ernie simons

07-30-2007, 03:07 PM

Do you mean Red's definitions or those picks?
LMAO. You gotta admit though, that WAS funny.

orrug2k

07-30-2007, 09:20 PM

$20 to win would have won you about $170.00
$20 to place would have been about $13.00
$20 to show would have been about -$114

ryesteve

07-30-2007, 10:29 PM

$20 to win would have won you about $170.00
$20 to place would have been about $13.00
$20 to show would have been about -$114
I thought you said place and show betting only. Or in other words:Please read the betting instructions
So by your count you were -$101 on the day. Pretty bad considering you gave yourself a headstart of 4 for 5 on races that went off prior to when you posted. What happened with the one you lost? You couldn't get the Suffolk results in time??
:ThmbDown:

orrug2k

07-30-2007, 10:58 PM

No head start brother.. those were my pics .. If they had lost they would have counted against me.. some did...These are free pics to show my system. Granted youll never believe I didnt know the results... I didnt and dont have to lie. I started not to put them on there because I knew I would have to hear crap about it being late..... If you dont believe me then why are you still so interested. Looking to get something for free huh. Im tracking on my pics and what I say.. to bet.. Next thing youll say I didnt pick those two $50 horses last week. They did post a profit wps.... Oh i had to post late the other day and was behind after the first few races had already run. .. where were you then.

ryesteve

07-30-2007, 11:30 PM

No head start brother.. those were my pics .. If they had lost they would have counted against me.. some did.Yeah... one.
I figure that Suffolk race was too deep in the list alphabetically, and you ran out of time and wanted to get the message posted before it got ridiculously late.

So how does your 80% winning percentage on races that happened before you posted compare to your winning percentage on races that happened after your posted?

These are free pics to show my system.I prefer systems that don't rely on results. Trying to get bets in an hour after post time usually isn't that easy.

If you dont believe me then why are you still so interested. .Because when I see your posts, my bullshit detector flies off the scale, and I need to post something to make the bells and sirens stop going off in my head.

Looking to get something for free huh.Yep... the satisfaction of calling out a scam isn't costing me a dime.

orrug2k

07-30-2007, 11:41 PM

The time date stamp is on the post... I didnt hide anything. ANy dumbazz can tell they were late. All I asked was that you dont question my legitimacy .. Sorry for picking the winners, speed horses, like I said I was doing. They werent even double digit horses.. someone scamming would post a long price. One lost and one ran second I think, who posts horses that lost. That totally discredits you. Looks like Im going to have to pick some more big winners to pizz you off.

No posts tomorrow.. so go find another person to harass...

wait better yet post some pics...put up 35 and see how you do....I bet youdont post. no guts

ryesteve

07-31-2007, 09:29 AM

put up 35 and see how you do
Ok, sure...

These are for the 29th. I know they're a little late, but I'm not hiding anything. All I ask is that you not question my lejizzimacy. Let me know how I made out.

AP
1-4
2-3
3-4
4-7
5-3
6-10
7-10 (less confident with this one)
8-5
9-6
10-8

CRC
1-4
2-7
3-5
4-11 (another iffy selection... but what the heck?)
5-9
6-1
7-4
8-4
9-1
10-7
11-2

DMR
1-6
2-9
3-4 (very chaotic looking race... tough one)
4-8
5-6
6-9 (outside post could hurt)
7-1
8-6
9-4

jma

07-31-2007, 09:44 AM

Ok, sure...

These are for the 29th. I know they're a little late, but I'm not hiding anything. All I ask is that you not question my lejizzimacy. Let me know how I made out.

I don't know if this guy was worth taking the time to put up your "picks" (not to be a HATER), but it gave me a laugh.

GaryG

07-31-2007, 10:13 AM

Steve....you have more patience than I. Oh by the way my percentage is quite good after the races have been run. Thinking about a system...:lol:

orrug2k

07-31-2007, 11:06 AM

NO guts... just a guy that hangs our online looking for something to be his savior. To help him stop losing all his money.. He wanted so badly for this to be his cure. Unable to pick his own.

ryesteve

07-31-2007, 11:39 AM

NO guts... just a guy that hangs our online looking for something to be his savior. To help him stop losing all his money.. He wanted so badly for this to be his cure. Unable to pick his own.
You're just jealous because my picks were better than yours. DON'T BE A HATER! I promise I won't try to steal any business from you. My system is too good to share.

orrug2k

07-31-2007, 12:13 PM

YOu cant hate on what you cant beat... you were not even man enough to post anything... Thats pretty sad. If you had anyclue you wouldnt be on here at all trying for free pics. I gave you a shot and you backed down...go crawl under the table with the other dogs. NO guts

ryesteve

07-31-2007, 12:56 PM

Hey, the double at Philly just wrapped up. How soon until you tell us who you like? I need some good free picks!!

statik27

07-31-2007, 01:24 PM

I'm not trying to hate on you man, I just thought since you wanted someone to see how hard it is to try this I would do it. Its a dark day for my tracks so what the hell right. Anyway, I'm to cheap to buy the PP's for all of these tracks so I just used the raw Equibase number's off TVG, might as well use that site for something:p . And yeah I know there's only 14 picks, but my natural aversion to playing this many races got the best of me.

All Picks are meant for a 2$ WPS (Yeah I'm cheap.)

Fairmount:
Race 1: 4

Race 7: 7

Philly:

Race 4: 1

Race 6: 4

Race 7: 1

Race 9: 7

Praire Meadows:

Race 1: 6

Race 3: 1/1a

River Downs:

Race 3: 7

Race 4: 5

Race 5: 6

Yavapai:

Race 4: 8

Race 5: 7

Race 7: 3

Statik

orrug2k

07-31-2007, 05:15 PM

Im not posting pics today because I just got home and dont want to hear slack about them being late.. since I dont know results it shouldnt matter.. but it does to them.. they dont believe anyone.... more peeps should post and tally their results daily.. give your self a rebate..of 5% too...if you post late I wont cry as long as you say you didnt know the results.

jma

07-31-2007, 05:56 PM

orrug2k

07-31-2007, 06:24 PM

Im high on god...dont do drugs..

jma

07-31-2007, 07:01 PM

Im high on god...dont do drugs..

So God tells you to be paranoid, post after the races are run, and whine about "haters" like some washed-up rapper?

phatbastard

07-31-2007, 07:07 PM

or some 15 yr old who already admitted he doesn't play his pics:ThmbDown:

dutchboy

07-31-2007, 07:27 PM

statik27

07-31-2007, 07:33 PM

Alright so here's my results and analysis,

I had 13 of the 14 races go accounting with the scratch I had a Yavapai with a negative ROI of -$33.00. I had 7 of 13 picks in the money with 3 winner's. Pretty bad across the board, but seriously, this post is going to take me longer to write then I spent handicapping those races.

OK, so here's my thoughts on it. My average odds on the ML was 5.15-1 on all 13 runner's with a final avg. of 3.37-1, that means 35% of my potential profit disappeared into the toteboard before the races were even over. Which means that even when my picks where hitting I wasn't making any head way.

The other problem is the number of races. I know I said it before, but there is NO WAY to make that many races profitable, and I didn't even throw out 35 or 40 picks, anything over 5 played races a day is to many. And yes I know you had the 2 50$ horses last week, but that still didn't stop you losing half you bankroll by the end of week and the reason that happened is the number of unprofitable races.

I know you want action, but thats why the gambling gods evented slot machines, if you want to make money is this game you should still do what your doing, but limit the number of plays and try adding a few more key angles to the selection process.

Just my two cents,

Statik

P.S. How are you 'capping that many races and still doing due diligence?

dutchboy

07-31-2007, 07:34 PM

I guarantee you cannot make a short term or long term profit betting every race to place and show. Post your picks, before noon. After the races are over on the same page the picks are on insert the results. You will soon find out there is no way you are making a profit. And please don't shout.

DEL 3-2
5-8
9-7
DMR
2-6
FE
1-6
2-3
5-3
8-8
10-12

FL 3-1
PHA 3-6
5-8
9-11

PRM 2-6
4-7
6-7
SUF 1-8
2-3
5-1
6-7
7-3
TDN 3-2
4-9
6-1

THESE ARE PLACE BETS AND SHOW BETS TODAY FOR MORE FUN

WHO EVER THE REBELFLAG GUY IS PLEASE MOVE ON.. I HARDLY THINK A WINNING SYSTEM IS WORTHLESS. POST PICS AND DO A RUNNING TOTAL OR BE QUIET. IM SORRY YOU NEED TO PUT SOMEONE DOWN. ANYONE THATS EVEN BREAKING EVEN IN THIS GAME IS AWINNER. ANYONE WITH THE GUTS TO DO IT SHOULD GO PULL HIS ACT HISTORY AT HIS WAGERING SITE AND SEE HOW HE DID FOR THE LAST YEAR. WINNING A LITTLE WILL LOOK REAL GOOD. THE PLAYERS THAT CLAIM TO HAVE A POSITIVE ROI ON THERE SPOT PLAYS PROBABLY DO BUT BET TONS BACK ON OTHER RACES. I ATTACK WAGERING FROM A DIFF STANDPOINT THAT HAS WORKED FOR ME. BET ENOUGH RACES TO GET ACTION AND TRY TO MAKE A FEW BUCKS.

orrug2k

07-31-2007, 08:40 PM

I did some picks at about 5.oo. Dont know results but would post if you want. If youlook at my speed pics only and remove the losses the days we played closers. The speed is up 1400.00. Thats the cold hard facts. Probably limiting is good but I like to pick. I like to watch them all day. When I can. My predicitons are based on times only. So I can pick in an hour 10 cards. Im game if you guys want to post just top 10 picks all day and see how we do. Reminder. This is just to see if the picks produce an acceptable roi. The past posted ones dont matter as long as the person posting didnt know. If money was involved here I could see your point. This is gentlemens honor. ok were set.. 10 best bets

orrug2k

07-31-2007, 08:57 PM

InFront

07-31-2007, 09:13 PM

Statik I agree with what your saying. I think it is very difficult if not impossible to play too many races every day and try to achieve a long term profit. Also I been posting my picks the last few days and they are very limited spot play picks. Only had 12 on Sunday, 5 yesterday and 4 plays today and that's handicapping most tracks. So I'm pretty strict with my plays.

And what happened to your picks as you said how they went off much lower than the MLO the same thing happened to mine that were posted. Listed 5 plays all with very good MLO odds yesterday and even though 3 won all paid $5-$6. Today posted only 4 plays once again all with good MLO and none won but 3 placed. Tomorrow's plays posted soon.

orrug2k

07-31-2007, 09:22 PM

need par times for all tracks ... anyone do those and sell them??

ryesteve

07-31-2007, 10:45 PM

This is gentlemens honor

:lol:

orrug2k

07-31-2007, 11:24 PM

Speed picks win again folks..

Win bets $529.00
place bets $176
show bets lost $100

Net win $605.00 total.win today... speed pics up over $2000 for the trial. Based on $20 wagers. I will post pics early tomorrow as well as 10 best bets. Im defining the best bets as horses with extreme speed advantages.

lesson for today
Fp race 5 horse 10
horse figured to lead easy, had best second fraction and competitive third qtr...key to a best bet. 10.60 to win horse ran improved 3rd quarter after relaxing in his second qtr.

pen 5-5 fastest speed all 3 race segments... 4.40 to win

ryesteve

08-01-2007, 07:05 AM

Im defining the best bets as horses who already won by the time I post
Fix'd

nobeyerspls

08-01-2007, 07:39 AM

[QUOTE=statik27]
I know you want action, but thats why the gambling gods evented slot machines, if you want to make money is this game you should still do what your doing, but limit the number of plays and try adding a few more key angles to the selection process.
QUOTE]

I've been following this bizarre thread and was glad to see your response. The originator seems like the greenest of rookies, the kind of guy you want to be involved at your local track. He "handicaps" ten venues in an hour because he only looks at times. Then again he starts at five in the evening and posts at eight. Would anyone pay attention to someone who picks horses after the races are over?

It is difficult to make money with straight bets unless you're willing to commit serious capital. I wouldn't bet $50 on the sun coming up tomorrow. The leverage available from exotics allows me to bet a litle to win a lot. As to those action players, they are grist for the mill. The more the merrier because it is their money you will be taking home.

statik27

08-01-2007, 10:13 AM

cnl 3-5
del 1-2
3-6
5-9
8-6
fl
5-1
6-2
7-4
8-8
fp 1-4
4-6
5-10bb
6-5
7-8
8-2
gld 2-7
4-7
5-7
8-3
9-2
pen
5-5bb
7-7
8-6
9-4
pha 5-8

Im pretty happy with todays pics. Caught two prices at del and both bb won. both were ev1..my starting point.

Seriously Orrug, 14 for 25?

Yes I looked at all the results, I even broke them down into a pattern I saw that the wins, places and losses came in, it was like I was standing over your shoulder as you typed this up. The three live races at Penn resulted in a win (that paid 3.20, my 5 month old daughter could pick that horse.) a second that paid 3.80, and a loss. All of the other 13 wins came before you posted your picks.
I can't even begin to explain how silly it is to post picks using an honor system, excuse me I miss spoke, not PICKS; Practice. These aren't selections orrug, this is practice and it belongs on a yellow legal pad and not in an internet forum toting a new method.

Sorry man, but this forum is full of players that are serious about there craft and put in hundreds of hours sharpening the weapons that they use. I think you have a passion for the game that I and several others share at this site and you should use that passion to develop your skills;not try and impress a bunch of people you don't know.

statik

orrug2k

08-01-2007, 11:16 AM

Im not sure there is any proof that you cant pick a few races at each track to bet. Before simulcasting, players might limit thier plays on the days card to 3 races or less..You will notice all tracks arent posted. Probably avg is 3 plays per track. Yesterday we caught about 8 races on $4.00 horses.. and a couple 7 to 10-1 shots.. Pretty easy. Just a good day.

Ok all the haters can add up the two $50 horses alone and all the other speed pick days. My system is so far ahead it makes people run to this forum to slam my pics. Take outthe days I gave youlate pics too.. Still way ahead. They cant explain away the $50 horses I gave out. Posted those early.. where was all the scam accusations then. Still none have posted picks. Why are they in a selection forum. Answer: They are here to get free pics because they cant rely on thier own picks. I get so many people asking me to email my picks to them. Even after their accusations. Tells me there are Gentlemen out there.
YOU GUYS GOT TO POST YOUR TOP 10 TODAY BOYS..

GaryG

08-01-2007, 11:20 AM

YOU GUYS GOT TO POST YOUR TOP 10 TODAY BOYS..Until you change your name to PA you don't make the rules here. Suggestion: calm down and try to learn something....there are some very sharp players on this board.

orrug2k

08-01-2007, 11:42 AM

HOW IS PROPOSING EVERYONE POST THIER TOPS PICKS ANYTHING MORE THAN FUN AND INTERESTING TO VIEWERS. NO GUN TO ANYONES HEAD. LOOK HOW EXCITING THIS POST IS TO PEOPLE.. 5000 VIEWS ONLY A FEW GUYS ON HERE HAVE EVEN OFFERED PICKS OR INSIGHT TO HOW THEY GAMBLE. WE HAVE DISCUSSED THOSE TOPICS...

AS FAR AS RULES, I THINK THOSE, IF THERE ARE ANY WENT OUT THE WINDOW ON THIS BIZARRE THREAD LONG AGO LOL.....THATSTHE WAY I LIKE IT THOUGH...CAUSE IM A PLAYER PIMP.LOL

ryesteve

08-01-2007, 12:18 PM

I get so many people asking me to email my picks to them.
Why would they need you to email the picks, when they can just get them directtly from http://www.tsnhorse.com/cgi-bin/instant.cgi?type=inr ??

orrug2k

08-01-2007, 12:42 PM

AP 5-5
DEL 1-4
2-2
3-3
ELP
2-8
5-6
MTH 5-7
6-6
DMR 2-6
SUF 9-5

orrug2k

08-01-2007, 03:40 PM

change elp 5-6 to 5-4..

WillieTheTout

08-01-2007, 04:11 PM

1- Posting your picks before the races are run lends you credibilty. Without doing that you open yourself up to criticism. Surely you can see where I'm coming from here.
2 - Posting your ROI without a rebate added is the norm. Post your results dollar for dollar and you will save yourself some headaches.
3 - I don't follow the T-breds so I have nothing to win or lose--just trying to be of some assistance here. I follow the T-bred forums looking for nuggets of info that I can take to the Standardbreds.
4 - This one is for the group. How can you people bet on jockeys that start to froth at the mouth at the site of a piece of pie? :lol:

Willie

williethetout.com

PaceAdvantage

08-01-2007, 05:05 PM

LOOK HOW EXCITING THIS POST IS TO PEOPLE.. 5000 VIEWS ONLY A FEW GUYS ON HERE HAVE EVEN OFFERED PICKS OR INSIGHT TO HOW THEY GAMBLE.

And there it is....the ol' citing of the number of "views" to prove worthiness....looks like someone's gone and gotten themselves another nick, as there's only one guy who goes around the Selections section touting the number of views a thread has received....:lol:

orrug2k

08-01-2007, 05:42 PM

Now pa is joining in... great...who said anything about worthiness.. im talking about interest. I guess you have been around long enough to see enough threads. My picks got stomped today... I cant wait for the reviews...

:lol::bang:

orrug2k

08-01-2007, 05:48 PM

http://www.paceadvantage.com/forum/image.php?u=4390&dateline=1183131557 (http://www.paceadvantage.com/forum/member.php?u=4390)

Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: Newfoundland, Canada
Posts: 53
vCash: 3600

Orugg2k -- Just my two cents
1- Posting your picks before the races are run lends you credibilty. Without doing that you open yourself up to criticism. Surely you can see where I'm coming from here.
2 - Posting your ROI without a rebate added is the norm. Post your results dollar for dollar and you will save yourself some headaches.
3 - I don't follow the T-breds so I have nothing to win or lose--just trying to be of some assistance here. I follow the T-bred forums looking for nuggets of info that I can take to the Standardbreds.
4 - This one is for the group. How can you people bet on jockeys that start to froth at the mouth at the site of a piece of pie? :lol:

Willie

williethetout.com
http://www.paceadvantage.com/forum/images/statusicon/user_offline.gif http://www.paceadvantage.com/forum/images/buttons/green/report.gif (http://www.paceadvantage.com/forum/report.php?p=405613)

Good luck on the trotters.
I dont see anyone posting an roi ....ever. Not the major players anyway. I dont read other posts just these. Mostly. Anyone that figures my speed plays up as far as winnings, the ones posted early of course, cant deny my approach. I have been told by 5 people to not pay attention to the haters. So from here on they get no response.

orrug2k

08-01-2007, 05:50 PM

I should address the nick thing... dont know who this is about. Wrong person.

ryesteve

08-01-2007, 05:59 PM

I dont see anyone posting an roi ....ever.
Ok, I will. You were -51% on win bets today. Isn't the game a whole lot harder when you're not making your picks from the race results?

keilan

08-01-2007, 06:35 PM

Reading this thread was like watching a train wreck -- orrug2k you're quite the shitshow :)

spilparc

08-01-2007, 06:43 PM

I would like to thank everyone involved with this wonderful thread. It provided a marvelous 15 minutes of respite from the dreary, moribund, drudgery of daily life called reality.

I am truly grateful.

:ThmbUp:

orrug2k

08-01-2007, 06:44 PM

Slow start early today.. lets try some late stuff..

Pen
4-7
5-3
6-3
8-4
9-4
gld
4-2
5-7
7-5
sr
7-8
10-8
wo
2-3
5-10
7-3

statik27

08-01-2007, 06:45 PM

My SoCal ROI for selections given out on this forum starting 7/6/07 at Hollywood thru 7/28/07 at Del Mar. All of these picks can be verified as being up before post time the day of the races.

Selections given: 83

Starters: 79 (minus 4 scratches)

Wins: 20 of 79, 25.3%

Gross: $205.80 (based on $2 win wager)

Net after investment: $47.80

Average Mutual: $10.29

All of these picks can be found in the selections forum, your right I don't post results, but who has time for that when you trying to handicap tomorrow's selections?

And remember, these are only the verifiable numbers and don't include any Pk3's or 4's hit during this time period,exotics or selections made and not posted.

Statik

P.S. I'm sure there are guys that read this and can boast bigger ROI's but their too busy counting their money.

xtb

08-01-2007, 06:51 PM

orrug2k = Ray Gordon = PriceAndProbability, et. al. ??

orrug2k

08-01-2007, 06:55 PM

I watched a guy sit in a room in las vegas and bet 200k a day. On tp and mnr his rebate was in the 20% range.. He didnt count his money. The strippers did though.. congrats on joining me in the pos roi catagory

orrug2k

08-01-2007, 06:57 PM

sorry folks fresh fish here.....Ray might be insulted.

xtb

08-01-2007, 07:00 PM

Thought so.

dutchboy

08-01-2007, 07:40 PM

Great job! Perhaps we should all bet 500 wps on your picks since the results appear to be great. Perhaps you could bet it for us and send us the profits.

Speed picks win again folks..

Win bets $529.00
place bets $176
show bets lost $100

Net win $605.00 total.win today... speed pics up over $2000 for the trial. Based on $20 wagers. I will post pics early tomorrow as well as 10 best bets. Im defining the best bets as horses with extreme speed advantages.

lesson for today
Fp race 5 horse 10
horse figured to lead easy, had best second fraction and competitive third qtr...key to a best bet. 10.60 to win horse ran improved 3rd quarter after relaxing in his second qtr.

pen 5-5 fastest speed all 3 race segments... 4.40 to win

ryesteve

08-01-2007, 11:27 PM

Slow start early today.. lets try some late stuff..It didn't get any better.

Here's a complete recap:

http://www.hydrogennow.org/Facts/hindenburg.jpg

orrug2k

08-01-2007, 11:57 PM

Results for wed night $34 loss...wps bets. We didnt stipulate so we will go with that. Wow we lost $134 for the day. Guess were only up $1900 or so on speed pics. I said I wouldnt but I cant resist poking fun at the guy that stays up all night to watch my pics.. what a compliment. Guess he was bettting them all. Hope he jumps off the bandwagon!! Then I will nail a few horses and he will not have his money down. Then he jumps back on and I have a crappy day. As any gamblers can attest anytime you have an awesome day and win a couple of K the next day you have a terrible one. Anytime I won large I refused to go back the next day.

ryesteve

08-02-2007, 12:32 AM

Results for wed night $34 loss...wps bets..
You mean -$130. I don't know which is worse, your math or your picks.

I cant resist poking fun at the guy that stays up all night to watch my pics.. what a compliment.
It's only because you're way funnier than Jay Leno

Anytime I won large I refused to go back the next day.Then you must get really worn out betting every single day :D

GaryG

08-02-2007, 09:02 AM

This is beyond pitiful...As Keilan said, like watching a train wreck. Sure won a lot of money with those late posts though...:lol: :lol: :lol:

orrug2k

08-02-2007, 09:07 AM

I think I have this figured out.. ryesteve has been slamming picks on here for years but doesnt post. Obviously he has been called out to show some of his work in the past and been humiliated. He wont get exposed again that way. Oh by the way...nobody I know watches Jay Leno.
:lol:

Nuc med finals tomorrow, no picks today.

Hope somene posts pics for me to watch while studying.

ryesteve

08-02-2007, 09:29 AM

Oh by the way...nobody I know watches Jay Leno.That's pretty much the point.

Haven't you ever heard of a back-handed compliment? :rolleyes:

Nuc med finals tomorrow.Is it true that you still can't decide whether to be a proctologist or an elbow doctor, because you can't figure out what the difference is?

TimesTheyRAChangin

08-02-2007, 11:37 AM

This is beyond pitiful...As Keilan said, like watching a train wreck. Sure won a lot of money with those late posts though...:lol: :lol: :lol:

What's more hilarious is this is starting to affect other posters.Your buddy WhoBet didn't post until nearly 3:00 yesterday,after 20 or so races were final & he still couldn't pick those right.Mind you he did get the $2.20 winner at Delaware,but didn't have the nerve to select the $100.40 one in the 5th.

dutchboy

08-02-2007, 03:32 PM

What are the picks for today? I took the day off and have 10k to bet on your picks but to my dismay they are not up yet. Perhaps today's picks will be up by the time all of the races are final so I will know how much I would have won.Appears I took the wrong vacation day.

NoDayJob

08-02-2007, 07:11 PM

Then we can all post our after-the-race-is-run selections. Even the poorest selector should be able to pick 99% winners. Me, I'll be able to select 150% winners. Yeah, ya'll fogot 'bout my SKHP, 100% winners, program. PA don't have a cow, man! :lol:

orrug2k

08-02-2007, 09:07 PM

Whobet didnt post till 3.00 and hes respectable. Next thing you know he will be trying to steal my haters... to increase his page hits no doubt.

:mad:

Darn you Whobet , its taken me a long time to develop these loyal haters. They stay up all night to hate on me.

I was thinking today which dude is dumber the one that thinks I past posted him or the one thats hating on a past poster.

GaryG

08-02-2007, 09:18 PM

This thread has reached the "Calling Dr. Kevorkian!" stage. Hey NDJ...who do you like in the Belmont?

NoDayJob

08-03-2007, 02:02 AM

Whobet didnt post till 3.00 and hes respectable. Next thing you know he will be trying to steal my haters... to increase his page hits no doubt.

:mad:

We don't care if ya past post -- really. If your method works that's all that counts in the long run. :jump: Around here ya can't win; so just relax and don't have a cow. Flames away --

NoDayJob

08-03-2007, 02:05 AM

This thread has reached the "Calling Dr. Kevorkian!" stage. Hey NDJ...who do you like in the Belmont?

Fiedlebaum in the 2052 Belmont by 200 lengths -- :lol:

orrug2k

08-03-2007, 03:34 PM

Todays profits so far. Spent the night at the hospital getting a scope down my kids belly to pull out some change she ate. Ready to pick some winners. As its 3:33 there are surely some good races to handicap (previously run of course).

orrug2k

08-03-2007, 05:12 PM

20 wps

ap 9-3
cby 5-1
7-8
elp 9-7
10-11
emd
2-7
3-7
6-7
7-1
evd
5-8
fp 1-4
2-6
3-6
pen
3-8
6-3
7-9
9-2
prm
4-1
rp 1-6
6-4

orrug2k

08-03-2007, 07:01 PM

sr
5-5
7-6
8-5
10-5

dmr picks

1-5
2-2
3-5
4-7
6-8

whobet

08-03-2007, 10:20 PM

What's more hilarious is this is starting to affect other posters.Your buddy WhoBet didn't post until nearly 3:00 yesterday,after 20 or so races were final & he still couldn't pick those right.Mind you he did get the $2.20 winner at Delaware,but didn't have the nerve to select the $100.40 one in the 5th.

Hey TimesTheyRAChangin,

If you want to take on Whobet.

Tell me when and how.

Regards Whobet

orrug2k

08-04-2007, 01:06 AM

OUch.. $184 in the can... So were at $1715.00

orrug2k

08-04-2007, 04:29 PM

20 WPS

AP 6-3
CRC 9-12
12-9
CT
3-7
4-4
7-7
9-3
DMR
1-8
5-10
7-10
8-3
ELP
10-4
EMD 1-2
6-6
FP
1-6
GLD 2-4
6-7
RP
2-7
9-10
SR
5-1
10-9
WO
9-2

GOOD LUCK

orrug2k

08-05-2007, 01:28 AM

Back to $2000 profit for the speed picks. No big prices and showed a good profit...

ryesteve

08-05-2007, 11:38 AM

Great results today up $250.00
No, it was only $95. Congrats on actually picking a couple of decent winners without having the results in front of you. Now that your handicapping skills have finally taken a turn for the better, perhaps you can devote some time to improving your adding skills.

orrug2k

08-05-2007, 02:10 PM

SORRY .. MY FIGURES ARE $250.00

orrug2k

08-05-2007, 03:10 PM

TRYING SOME SPEED TODAY..EXTREME SPEED

AP 6-8
8-5
CBY 1-2
2-5
4-3
5-2
11-7
CT
4-5
6-7
DEL
6-6
DMR
2-3
ELP
5-9
9-9
EMD
2-1
3-6
LAD
7-11
8-8
MTH 8-5
10-5
RP
8-6
SR
4-5
5-4
7-4
TDN
13-3

ryesteve

08-05-2007, 11:28 PM

SORRY .. MY FIGURES ARE $250.00
Yes, we know. And anyone who bothered to check your picks knows you either can't add, or you're a liar. Your $20 WPS came back +144, +38 and -87.

orrug2k

08-06-2007, 12:36 AM

You cant add

176 win
112 place
-32 show
5% rebate adjusted as stated on my first post.
watch who you call a liar loser.

statik27

08-06-2007, 02:12 AM

Orrug,

I came up with the same 95$ that steve did without your silly 5% rebate that you give yourself(why? Is it cause you sooooo neat?).

Anyway, even with the rebate, its still only $161, not 250.

By the way, I think I get it now. Your whole system is meant to only break even so you can get that niffy 5% rebate. You might as well take that entire $1320 dollars and put it on the next 2/5 shot you see to show. Instant action, just how you like it. And, you'll still get your 5%.

Regards,

Statik

ryesteve

08-06-2007, 07:17 AM

5% rebate adjusted as stated on my first post.
watch who you call a liar loser.
Your veracity (or lack thereof) has already been established by your, "I'm posting after the results are in, but I don't know who won yet" posts. But since you seem so insistent as to how these latest results add up, I will amend the "or" in my previous post and say you can't add AND you're a liar.

ryesteve

08-06-2007, 07:34 AM

nobeyerspls

08-06-2007, 07:47 AM

Given your computational issues and my good samaritan nature, I'll help you out with the sunday results:

On the two races you posted after the fact, your $20WPS came back +$36
On the other 20 (there were two scratches) your $20 WPS came back -$448

And you already know what you can do with your rebate.

I thought this thread would die by now but the originator kept posting even when there were no responses. Good to see that you're helping him with his arithmatic.
Here's a question. How would this guy do if you threw out all the past-posted picks and only used those that were posted before the race? The answer should not include a rebate.

orrug2k

08-06-2007, 09:17 AM

The answer is ... way ahead by probably a thousand or more... Stevo... doesnt bother to mention the days where I had many losers on races that had run... I am offered 10% rebate on wps...... I cut mine in half to make it easy on the ones that cant. Add that in and its so far a head its rediculous. Be that as it may.....My system is a work in progress thats evolving... Just happened to notice stevo isnt anywhere near the top of the board on the contest online...Guess hes not so hot....LIke I said hes not contributing anything but slander.... at this point I cant take him serious. no posts .. not picks.. nothing

ryesteve

08-06-2007, 09:34 AM

Here's a question. How would this guy do if you threw out all the past-posted picks and only used those that were posted before the race? The answer should not include a rebate.
Since I've been keeping track, the results have been completely disastrous, as you've seen.

But you make a good point. I'm done with this thread. I initially got into this because I got the sense people some people were getting sucked into this crap, and because it looked like he was laying the groundwork for a scam tout service. I've got a problem with people like that. But at this point, you're right, I think enough is enough. Anyone who bothers to read the past week of posts will know exactly what the score is now.

orrug2k

08-06-2007, 09:35 AM

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Join Date: Jul 2007
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Orrug,

I came up with the same 95$ that steve did without your silly 5% rebate that you give yourself(why? Is it cause you sooooo neat?).

Anyway, even with the rebate, its still only $161, not 250.

By the way, I think I get it now. Your whole system is meant to only break even so you can get that niffy 5% rebate. You might as well take that entire $1320 dollars and put it on the next 2/5 shot you see to show. Instant action, just how you like it. And, you'll still get your 5%.

there is a huge diff between those two numbers... the rebate is the game..ask any of the large wagers in the country if they would be profitable without it. You lost if you think that way or dont get the math. 24% rebate is not unheard of on exotics at some tracks. My position is that this is entertainment for most of us and a full days action with a small profit at the end is far better than losing 10k a year betting wildly. We all know that most handicappers play constantly. All the ones I know do anyway. Sure some on here spot play but I would be they have 20 spot plays going a day. Especially with the software out there that I have seen. The people I know that bet 30million a year are playing the whole card non stop. No one calls them silly, thier techniques are well hidden and so advanced I havent heard of anything like it on here. Mathmatical equations for energy, dist, ground covered, bias. Good luck betting into thier pools with no rebate.. you might as well hand them your cash and get your instant action.

orrug2k

08-06-2007, 09:39 AM

speed picks are ahead over 1900....... stevo is the only scam on here...thanks for keeping it interesting. Hes leaving now that hes busted on not even being in the top 50 on the contest....If that was all it took I would have outed him long ago....hes such a top handicapper....

nobeyerspls

08-06-2007, 10:39 AM

Since I've been keeping track, the results have been completely disastrous, as you've seen.

But you make a good point. I'm done with this thread. I initially got into this because I got the sense people some people were getting sucked into this crap, and because it looked like he was laying the groundwork for a scam tout service. I've got a problem with people like that. But at this point, you're right, I think enough is enough. Anyone who bothers to read the past week of posts will know exactly what the score is now.

I'm done too. This guy knows people who bet $30 million a year so he's way out of my league. I think I'll leave him with a challenge though. He's got one year from this day to find one race in which a $20 wager (his choice) will return over $10,000 (excluding the $2 rebate).

orrug2k

08-06-2007, 10:57 AM

orrug2k

08-06-2007, 11:51 AM

Thanks to another poster we have speed bias info for the year at most tracks we bet... we will only select those tracks that have speed bias at certain distances. Ok we will take 20 wp...im deleting show because it seems to not do well.
cnl
8-2
del
1-7
4-6
6-4
dmr
2-4
4-4
mnr
5-3
pha 1-7
suf
1-8
3-1
6-8

no data on these tracks but like are my picks.. we will include them in the wager tracking purposes.

fe 1-6
6-7
7-10
10-1
fl
1-2
3-7
5-8
6-3
sr
5-6
6-8
8-2
9-3
gld
1-2
3-7
5-8
6-3

People can bitc..about my picks but lots are watching them daily..for something to do. So its worth it to me. Im headed to the pool...good luck.

headhawg

08-06-2007, 12:13 PM

People can bitc..about my picks but lots are watching them daily..for something to do. So its worth it to me. Im headed to the pool...good luck.I think you flatter yourself; I could give a rat's patootie about your selections. This thread was kind of amusing to read for a while but it looks like some of the posters got tired of doing this: :bang:

orrug2k

08-06-2007, 12:56 PM

oh my.. 2 hates leave and one jumps on. I noticed the same people creep around other threads to dig into them.. I get it now.. this is thier entire life.

PaceAdvantage

08-06-2007, 01:14 PM

oh my.. 2 hates leave and one jumps on. I noticed the same people creep around other threads to dig into them.. I get it now.. this is thier entire life.

Now you sound like a hater.

headhawg

08-06-2007, 02:26 PM

oh my.. 2 hates leave and one jumps on. I noticed the same people creep around other threads to dig into them.. I get it now.. this is thier entire life.No. This is just one of the many things that you only think you get.

orrug2k

08-06-2007, 03:40 PM

Im sure thiers no hate in me... you dont see me CONSTANTLY posting hate.. Dont know why im such attraction...lucky I guess..

nobeyerspls

08-06-2007, 06:00 PM

Thanks for leaving the thread to diligent handicappers that dont bet 20 bucks to win 10k.. that totally made no sense. I hope hes not betting 20 dollar superfectas or pick 4s....dont be so jeolous because I know the elite of the sport.

Betting $100 to win $40 makes no sense.
If your handicapping skills allowed you to cash for over $10,000 for a $20 bet, wouldn't you try to do it again? If not, why not?
If your two key horses at 25-1 each were in a photo for the win, wouldn't you have found a way to catch the tri?
Not a hater and certainly not jealous.
Instead of past-posting and providing erroneous numbers, you should have said something about how your "system" works. After many years of handicapping, and as a former owner and breeder, I would not expect to learn anything from you. Others on here however are interested in dissecting pace and crunching numbers so, if you have something that does that, show it and earn their respect.
I'm leaving for lack of interest.
One last piece of advice - bet a little to win a lot.

orrug2k

08-06-2007, 07:30 PM

All complaints concerning errors in addition should be forwarded to my accountants.

Dewey,Cheatem and Howe CPA
Las Vegas Nv 90210

I cant give out all my secrets... who does that on here. No one.. They cost me alot to learn... oh and there was no past posting...least not by me...didnt know results for one more time... I think alot of people read my posts on what tracks favor speed... they have to take it from there or jumpon my ship.. I do this for fun. Nothing else..

orrug2k

08-06-2007, 09:10 PM

$159.00 loss today....

Informed today the 7% rebate is back at any level, they arent a sponsor of this forum so I will leave it up to you to figure it out.

statik27

08-07-2007, 01:57 AM