Phillies set Record!

[BIG RED]

....not a good one though.

10,000 losses, yikes.

[njcurveball]

I am sure the farm workers who took a day off to play in 1890 are very excited "their" team has done this.

This record is a lot like Paris Hilton news. It is all over, promoted heavily and means absolutely nothing.

[DanG]

Let’s hear it for Philly fans sense of humor…The standing ovation at the end was a riot. :ThmbUp:

They only set the record because my D-Rays weren’t found in 1890…;)

[njcurveball]

Well as long as we are talking history, the losing started in 1883.

John Coleman went 12-48 for the 1883 club with a 4.87 ERA. He started 65 games and logged 538 1/3 innings.

Can you imagine how much a pitcher would be worth today if he could log 500 innings and still have an ERA below 5?

There were no relief pitchers, no closers, no team trainers, etc. Yet this guy somehow managed to keep his ERA for over 500 innings below 5.

So if nothing else I salute John Coleman, who contributed 48 of the first losses, but still did an amazing job!

[OTM Al]

Historically, the worst team of all time. In 124 years of existance they have 5 pennants and 1 championship. This team was brutally bad until 50s though has been much better of late. Their .468 franchise record is only surpassed by Colorado, Tampa and San Diego. By comparison, the hapless Cubs actually have a winning all time record since 1876!

It makes one realise why basing Rocky in Philadelphia was so appropriate.

[OTM Al]

Hey Dan, they had a really nice interview with Maddon on YES Network yesterday. He seems like a pretty good guy to have down there. Got a feeling if they give him a chance he might get the Rays to respectability.

[DanG]

Hey Dan, they had a really nice interview with Maddon on YES Network yesterday. He seems like a pretty good guy to have down there. Got a feeling if they give him a chance he might get the Rays to respectability.
Al…

I thought the same thing at his initial press conference.

After watching him on a daily basis I can say without a second’s hesitation…He is the WORST manager in the history of baseball.




He rewards brown nosing over production.
If he bunts one more time 1st and 3rd with less than 2 outs I may jump off the dome at the Trop.
Has ZERO feel for pitching, bullpen and the worst pinch hit strategist in the history of man kind.
His ideal of a team is Zobrist, Josh Paul, and Josh Wilson...etc…If you have little skill, but are a perfect gentleman and buy into his pseudo intellectual crap; you have a job for life.
He has beaten ALL of the toughness out of this team that Pinella tried to instill.
He is a yes-man for an organization that is raping the luxury tax.
He is the perfect “good cop” in a dugout that has a true leader like he came from with the Angles.
Imagine this for a second in a major market…

1 month into this job he took 3 days off during the season to be there for his girlfriend’s graduation party in California. During his absence he didn’t watch the games, but was “texted” by the GM on the scores. Can you imagine Torre one month into the job running that past George? :bang:


I’ll bet anyone here a grand he gets thrown out of one of the upcoming Angel games. He has every time we play them as a juvenile attempt to look tough in front of his old team.

I could go on for a month Al…he would make a terrific next store neighbor, but if you watched him daily you couldn’t wait to fire him.

Thanks Al…I needed to vent!!! :D

[OTM Al]

Wow......well he sure talks a good line and the team did seem to be playing much better than it had. I really don't think Pinella is the kind of guy you want with a young team (if you want him at all...I wouldn't)

[DanG]

Wow......well he sure talks a good line and the team did seem to be playing much better than it had. I really don't think Pinella is the kind of guy you want with a young team (if you want him at all...I wouldn't)
Absolutely true Al…

(Sorry about the Devil Ray hi-jack Big Red...Lots of frustration for a baseball fan in this area)


Pinella was the WORST possible hire with this type of team. His last few months here were similar to what every manger we have had turns into. He would lock himself in the office after games and get drunk and start throwing things.

This guy has little 9th grade fines for poor play. You have to buy him a bottle of wine. I kid you not. I have never in my life seen worse concentration on a professional team. They forget how many outs there are on a weekly basis.

Without a drastic change in the owner’s philosophy, this will be a farm team for the foreseeable future similar to what Pittsburg has become. They will never make the Cleveland type commitment and identify their future and lock them up.

The sad part is and the hardest thing to convey to someone…If you saw this community the first two years of the franchise and the type of owner that Vince Namoli was (is)…you would know this area will support a competitive team in a major way. I can’t begin to tell you how much ill will Namoli built up in this area. Berating season ticket holders in public was the least of his offenses. :bang:

[OTM Al]

I guess I should be proud I saw them win a game then along with the other 3500 or so that showed up on a Sunday afternoon at Joe Robbie/Pro Player/whatever they call the stadium in Miami these days.....

[rastajenk]

That really is a remarkable threshold. Just think, 100 seasons of 100 losses...or 111 seasons of 90 losses (or, I suppose, 90 seasons of 111 losses); it's staggering in its futility. I didn't realize until this week the franchise was even that old. When you think about the early days of modern baseball, and some of the early Hall of Famers and other stars, there's never a Phillie mentioned. At least I can't think of one.

Who is the greatest player or biggest name to play with the Phillies, pre-WWII, including sad endings to a productive career, or inauspicious beginnings to one? I suppose I could do the research; I just wondered if there was a name that readily came to mind for some of you baseball buffs.

[DanG]

1919 – 1945 is really remarkable, even for a Devil Ray fan…:D That’s were the majority of the total comes from. Before that they won a pennant, and shortly after came the famous “Whiz Kids”.

Philadelphia Phillies - 1883 to 2007


Season W - L Win % Finish Playoffs
1883 17-81 .173 8th in NL -
1884 39-73 .348 6th in NL -
1885 56-54 .509 3rd in NL -
1886 71-43 .623 4th in NL -
1887 75-48 .610 2nd in NL -
1888 69-61 .531 3rd in NL -
1889 63-64 .496 4th in NL -
1890 78-53 .591 3rd in NL -
1891 68-69 .496 4th in NL -
1892 87-66 .569 4th in NL -
1893 72-57 .558 4th in NL -
1894 71-57 .555 4th in NL -
1895 78-53 .595 3rd in NL -
1896 62-68 .477 8th in NL -
1897 55-77 .417 10th in NL -
1898 78-71 .523 6th in NL -
1899 94-58 .618 3rd in NL -
1900 75-63 .543 3rd in NL -
1901 83-57 .593 2nd in NL -
1902 56-81 .409 7th in NL -
1903 49-86 .363 7th in NL -
1904 52-100 .342 8th in NL -
1905 83-69 .546 4th in NL -
1906 71-82 .464 4th in NL -
1907 83-64 .565 3rd in NL -
1908 83-71 .539 4th in NL -
1909 74-79 .484 5th in NL -
1910 78-75 .510 4th in NL -
1911 79-73 .520 4th in NL -
1912 73-79 .480 5th in NL -
1913 88-63 .583 2nd in NL -
1914 74-80 .481 6th in NL -
1915 90-62 .592 1st in NL Lost World Series to Boston Red Sox, 1-4.
1916 91-62 .595 2nd in NL -
1917 87-65 .572 2nd in NL -
1918 55-68 .447 6th in NL -
1919 47-90 .343 8th in NL -
1920 62-91 .405 8th in NL -
1921 51-103 .331 8th in NL -
1922 57-96 .373 7th in NL -
1923 50-104 .325 8th in NL -
1924 55-96 .364 7th in NL -
1925 68-85 .444 6th in NL -
1926 58-93 .384 8th in NL -
1927 51-103 .331 8th in NL -
1928 43-109 .283 8th in NL -
1929 71-82 .464 5th in NL -
1930 52-102 .338 8th in NL -
1931 66-88 .429 6th in NL -
1932 78-76 .506 4th in NL -
1933 60-92 .395 7th in NL -
1934 56-93 .376 7th in NL -
1935 64-89 .418 7th in NL -
1936 54-100 .351 8th in NL -
1937 61-92 .399 7th in NL -
1938 45-105 .300 8th in NL -
1939 45-106 .298 8th in NL -
1940 50-103 .327 8th in NL -
1941 43-111 .279 8th in NL -
1942 42-109 .278 8th in NL -
1943 64-90 .416 7th in NL -
1944 61-92 .399 8th in NL -
1945 46-108 .299 8th in NL -
1946 69-85 .448 5th in NL -
1947 62-92 .403 7th in NL -
1948 66-88 .429 6th in NL -
1949 81-73 .526 3rd in NL -
1950 91-63 .591 1st in NL Lost World Series to New York Yankees, 0-4.
1951 73-81 .472 5th in NL -
1952 87-67 .565 4th in NL -
1953 83-71 .526 3rd in NL -
1954 75-79 .487 4th in NL -
1955 77-77 .500 4th in NL -
1956 71-83 .461 5th in NL -
1957 77-77 .500 5th in NL -
1958 69-85 .448 8th in NL -
1959 64-90 .416 8th in NL -
1960 59-95 .383 8th in NL -
1961 47-107 .305 8th in NL -
1962 81-80 .503 7th in NL -
1963 87-75 .537 4th in NL -
1964 92-70 .568 2nd in NL -
1965 85-76 .528 5th in NL -
1966 87-75 .537 4th in NL -
1967 82-80 .506 5th in NL -
1968 76-86 .469 7th in NL -
1969 63-99 .389 5th in NL East -
1970 73-88 .453 5th in NL East -
1971 67-95 .414 6th in NL East -
1972 59-97 .378 6th in NL East -
1973 71-91 .438 6th in NL East -
1974 80-82 .491 3rd in NL East -
1975 86-76 .531 2nd in NL East -
1976 101-61 .623 1st in NL East Lost NLCS to Cincinnati Reds, 0-3.
1977 101-61 .623 1st in NL East Lost NLCS to Los Angeles Dodgers, 1-3.
1978 90-72 .556 1st in NL East Lost NLCS to Los Angeles Dodgers, 1-3.
1979 84-78 .519 4th in NL East
1980 91-71 .562 1st in NL East Won NLCS vs Houston Astros, 3-2.
Won World Series vs Kansas City Royals, 4-2.
1981 59-48 .551 1st/3rd in NL East Lost NLDS to Montreal Expos, 2-3.
1982 89-73 .549 2nd in NL East -
1983 90-72 .556 1st in NL East Won NLCS vs Los Angeles Dodgers, 3-1.
Lost World Series to Baltimore Orioles, 1-4.
1984 81-81 .500 4th in NL East -
1985 75-87 .463 5th in NL East -
1986 86-75 .534 2nd in NL East -
1987 80-82 .494 4th in NL East -
1988 65-96 .404 6th in NL East -
1989 67-95 .414 6th in NL East -
1990 77-85 .475 4th in NL East -
1991 78-84 .481 3rd in NL East -
1992 70-92 .432 6th in NL East -
1993 97-65 .599 1st in NL East Won NLCS vs Atlanta Braves, 4-2.
Lost World Series to Toronto Blue Jays, 2-4.
1994 54-61 .470 4th in NL East -
1995 69-75 .479 2nd in NL East -
1996 67-95 .414 5th in NL East -
1997 68-94 .420 5th in NL East -
1998 75-87 .463 3rd in NL East -
1999 77-85 .475 3rd in NL East -
2000 65-97 .401 5th in NL East -
2001 86-76 .531 2nd in NL East -
2002 80-81 .497 3rd in NL East -
2003 86-76 .531 3rd in NL East -
2004 86-76 .531 2nd in NL East -
2005 88-74 .543 2nd in NL East -
2006 85-77 .524 2nd in NL East -
2007• 46-45 .506 3rd in NL East -
Totals (1883-2007) 8810-10000 .469 - -
Playoffs 22-35 .386 - -
Playoff Series 4-8 .333 - -

[DanG]

When you think about the early days of modern baseball, and some of the early Hall of Famers and other stars, there's never a Phillie mentioned. At least I can't think of one.

Who is the greatest player or biggest name to play with the Phillies, pre-WWII, including sad endings to a productive career, or inauspicious beginnings to one? I suppose I could do the research; I just wondered if there was a name that readily came to mind for some of you baseball buffs.
Jim (NJCurveball) would be better suited to answer this one, but off the top of my head I would say Hall of famer Grover Cleveland Alexander.

[rastajenk]

Yeah, that's a pretty good one. ;) If I ever did know he was a Phillie, I had surely forgotten it. Always thought of him as a Cardinal.

[OTM Al]

Man...... even when I looked back at a list of their team leaders the only one I knew of was Big Ed Delahanty. They must have been total second class citizens to the As, especially when Connie Mack felt like winning.

[kenwoodallpromos]

They did well for a few years after other teams lost players to expansion!!

"1961 47-107 .305 8th in NL -
1962 81-80 .503 7th in NL -
1963 87-75 .537 4th in NL -
1964 92-70 .568 2nd in NL -
1965 85-76 .528 5th in NL -
1966 87-75 .537 4th in NL -
1967 82-80 .506"

[OTM Al]

Hey Dan, they had a really nice interview with Maddon on YES Network yesterday. He seems like a pretty good guy to have down there. Got a feeling if they give him a chance he might get the Rays to respectability.

Hey Dan, how do you feel about him now? :)

[DanG]

Hey Dan, how do you feel about him now? :)
:blush: :blush: :blush: :blush: :blush:
Every single thing I thought about the man was wrong Al…I mean…EVERYTHING!!! :blush:

The team bought into (what I consider) his pseudo intellectual / new age / all problems can be solved by more bicycle paths philosophy hook line and sinker. He went from a man who was pushed around by 20 something kids last year to someone they look up to.

Not just wrong about him…I could not have been more wrong about some personal moves and let’s not even start on game strategy…like stealing 3rd with two outs like drunks! :faint:

Having said all that and eaten (with pleasure btw :jump: ) enough crow for 10 men…The GM’s are just picking cold trifectas right now. Madden needs veteran / tough guy leadership to go along with his ‘good cop persona. I will say his benching of Upton was a real shocker for people who follow them close. He really gained respect, but Floyd and ‘Percival should be commended for leading these kids through some tough times.

Quick Percival story:

His first week or so here he starts the clubhouse court system. He tells Garza (who he just met) “I’ve heard you were a real jerk in Minnesota so for you the fines are doubled.” They haven’t had that type of on field / in your face leadership around here…ever.

Now it’s taken on a life of its own. Not only are they talented, but they are a scary confident. After seeing them play this year; my (already tremendous respect) for this Red Sox team will jump 1,000% if they can beat them over 7 games. It’s the ‘perfect storm that teams go through on occasion and it’s been a joy to watch.

BTW: New ownership etc is getting all the accolades and well deserved; someone who is not getting near the credit they deserve is Pinella. He was the 1st to come in here and slam his fist down and say he wouldn’t take it anymore. :mad: He went through their system and weeded out the dead wood and made some tough calls. He didn’t win (he couldn’t); but he started the process and these are the results.

BTW-II: You're a class act Al and I mean that sincerely. :ThmbUp:

[OTM Al]

Just had to needle you with that one when I was finally able to find it. :)

The pieces were starting to come together with Pinella to be sure, but I've always felt he was way over rated as a manager (though as a coach he certainly could do a lot of good work...AAAA Manager to make the analogy). One could say much the same happened with Showalter in NY and then in Arizona.

That division is tremendous right now. I see a lot in Baltimore that I saw in Tampa a couple years ago. Why Toronto hasn't been better than it has is beyond me. I also think you are going to see the Yankees on a mission next year.

I don't think Boston is quite as solid as they were last year and think if the Rays can get just 1 in Fenway, they will take the series. Should be fun nevertheless.

[DanG]

That division is tremendous right now. I see a lot in Baltimore that I saw in Tampa a couple years ago. Why Toronto hasn't been better than it has is beyond me. I also think you are going to see the Yankees on a mission next year.

I like Ozzie Guillen’s quote during the year…”One things for sure; the Rays will make NY and Boston spend a lot more money!”

I agree the division is murder. The Rays could play very well next year and just as easily finish 4th.

The two monsters will obviously be there and the team’s fans I really feel for is Baltimore. Just like in Kansas City that is a GREAT baseball town and they deserve better.

[dutchboy]

Would this be where the term "farm team" came from when referring to the major leagues teams minor league affiliates?

I am sure the farm workers who took a day off to play in 1890 are very excited "their" team has done this.

This record is a lot like Paris Hilton news. It is all over, promoted heavily and means absolutely nothing.