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RXB
07-15-2007, 06:43 PM
Really, I did. The local lefty arts & entertainment rag, which I sort of despise in one sense but like in another sense, had in its Literary Events section a mention of a "US Socialists in the 1960's" discussion at one of the local university campuses, featuring a guy named Barry Sheppard who was a mucky-muck for the Socialist Workers' Party. I thought, this sounds like fun, so off I went.

I got there, and outside the room they had these pro-Castro T-shirts for sale and also a pro-Venezuelan shirt. And there was a literature table where I picked up a copy of a magazine called Socialist Voice and started leafing through it, and the guy at the table said, "Two dollars." And I looked up, and he said, "Nothing's free anymore in this world anymore." So I handed him a ten, and he was like, "Uh, I don't think I have any change." (Maybe the usual crowd only has coins?) So I said, "In a world where nothing's free, it's a good idea to carry a little float." About two minutes later, I got my eight dollars.

Then I went into the room. A Cuban flag was hanging in it. Maoism and Stalinism are on the outs in the Communist haunts these days. Castro, Guevara, Chavez, Lenin, Marx and Trotsky are cool. Remember that if you're ever trying to make it with a radical girl.

There were about 20 people there. Half of them looked like your standard rent-a-radical. The others were average folks. The woman sitting next to me was also not a socialist, just there because she thought it might be interesting.

Mr. Sheppard was not a particularly great speaker. But he had some interesting stories about the McCarthy witch-hunt, and organizing the civil rights movement, and what the KKK and groups like that would resort to in the name of white supremacy, and what the government and police would do to crush protests that were entirely within the bounds of the Constitution.

I bought his book. $20. (No change required, thankfully.) I figured, it might be an interesting read, and even if it isn't, any truly committed 70-year-old Marxist can probably use the money. Although then I thought of Len Ragozin.

The book's not bad. Shows what a small but committed group of people can do when they pull in the same direction. And I can read it without any worry of turning into a Marxist. You can disagree with someone's general philosophy but still glean some good insight and acknowledge their valid points. And not hate them just because they think differently than you do.

PaceAdvantage
07-15-2007, 07:14 PM
Excellent post RXB. Thanks for sharing that....

It would be interesting to hear WHY they are pro-Casto and Chavez these days. What magnificent things have they contributed to the world via their model of government and society.

GaryG
07-15-2007, 07:35 PM
Thanks for the info....this is a world that most of us will never see into. I suppose those nuts think they can get a Castro-style revolution going here, else what would be the point of it all?

RXB
07-15-2007, 07:44 PM
The Castro thing, I can't figure out. He's a dictator. These people are supposedly fans of the Trotsky ideal of democracy within a fully socialized state.

Chavez, I can see why they like him more. At least he's won open elections. I don't think that a nationalized economy is ultimately the best way to serve your people but they do-- that's how they see things. I'll say this much: it's probably a better model for national well-being than a fascist military junta, with which Latin America is all too familiar.

bigmack
07-15-2007, 07:49 PM
Barry has been engaged in 'the cause' for sometime.

http://www.barrysheppardbook.com/images/1964.gif

RXB - Only the foolish assume that exposure to dissimilar beliefs/ways bends the mind. I saw Barry in Chicago years ago and was drawn to woman in the crowd with large hogans and underarm hair. It was a less than memorable aftermath as the underarms matched her legs.

I always thought that if Marxists/way left/cultish/greenish, movements could snatch women who would adopt a policy of the less hair the better, their recuitment would be exponentially augmented.

Indulto
07-15-2007, 08:37 PM
... I always thought that if Marxists/way left/cultish/greenish, movements could snatch women who would adopt a policy of the less hair the better, their recuitment would be exponentially augmented.What a hair-lowering tale! Underarm thwarts overthrow. Sounds more like a Marx Bros. story.

bigmack
07-15-2007, 11:07 PM
What a hair-lowering tale! Underarm thwarts overthrow. Sounds more like a Marx Bros. story.
:lol::lol:

betchatoo
07-15-2007, 11:48 PM
It was a left wing radical that gave me my first totally shaved experience. The only hair she had was on her head.

kenwoodallpromos
07-16-2007, 12:15 AM
I think in Cuba they drive cars even older than my 1980!!

PaceAdvantage
07-16-2007, 03:01 AM
I think in Cuba they drive cars even older than my 1980!!

Well folks, that about says it all....

Dick Schmidt
07-16-2007, 03:45 AM
Doing the radical rounds can be fun if you approach it with a light heart and an open mind. Back in the late 60's I was a political science major and as part of an extra credit assignment, I went to a lot of meetings. I attended the Communist Party of America (yeah, the real hard core communists, none of this sissy socialist stuff), the John Birch Society (back when they were the hottest thing on the far right fringe) the American Nazi Party (ho-boy) and the Workers Socialists Party. Those are the one's I still remember, there were others on both sides of the political spectrum.

What did I come away with? Well, I decided that True Believers on both sides were surprisingly similar in outlook and goals. Both wanted to rule the world to save it. I soon accepted the political insight that there is no Right or Left, it is more of a circle. If you move far enough in one direction, you wind up on the other side. I mean, people forget that the Nazi's were socialists.

Since then I've developed my own political philosophy and have yet to find anyone who agrees with me. I like it that way.

Dick

I disapprove of every conspiracy of which I am not a part.

rastajenk
07-16-2007, 08:15 AM
A frequent poster at Little Green Footballs (http://www.littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/) who goes by the nick Zombie has a website (http://www.zombietime.com/) dedicated to attending and documenting these lefty gatherings, with lots of pix and commentary about the hypocrisies, absurdities, and jaw-dropping unusual-ness always on display. And, being in the San Fran-Berkeley area, he certainly is in a target-rich environment. If you have some free online time to kill, I highly recommend following the link and surf around inside; some funny stuff, and some things that really make you wonder how people got that way.

The recent Anti-American Fourth of July celebration (http://www.zombietime.com/anti-july_4th_sf/) is a good place to start. It's got commies, Che, Palestinians, Bushitler, 9/11 Troothers, everything. :D

PaceAdvantage
07-16-2007, 08:58 AM
Wow, you must have confused the shit out of the FBI....:lol:



Back in the late 60's I was a political science major and as part of an extra credit assignment, I went to a lot of meetings. I attended the Communist Party of America (yeah, the real hard core communists, none of this sissy socialist stuff), the John Birch Society (back when they were the hottest thing on the far right fringe) the American Nazi Party (ho-boy) and the Workers Socialists Party.

rastajenk
07-16-2007, 09:39 AM
They probbly shoulda recruited him.

Dick Schmidt
07-16-2007, 04:59 PM
PA,

Actually I do have an FBI file. The SOBs concluded I was "harmless." Who wants to be harmless? I want to be dangerous, wear a tux, drive an outrageous car and get all the girls. Harmless indeed!

Dick

Who likes to think James Bone was patterned after him.

rastajenk
07-16-2007, 05:03 PM
That's an amusing typo. :D

bigmack
07-16-2007, 05:25 PM
Actually I do have an FBI file. The SOBs concluded I was "harmless." Who wants to be harmless? I want to be dangerous, wear a tux, drive an outrageous car and get all the girls. Harmless indeed!
Dick

Who likes to think James Bone was patterned after him.
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