FAIR AND BALANCED

[Tom]

How about Rush?
Continually on the opposite side of Repubs on many issue since the election, even vocally against many White House positions. He spent almost a full hour today berreting Trent Lott, and even had a Lott parady.

Seems Rush is concerned with ISSUES, not people.

Can someone point me to anyone on Airhead America who is similarly fair and balanced?

[lsbets]

Is Air America still on? I know they went under in Dallas. I heard both of their listeners moved.

[46zilzal]

http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=1895
This kind of sloppiness, ignorance and/or fabrication is run of the mill in Limbaugh's
commentary, both broadcast and print. From dioxin to Whitewater, from Rodney
King to Reaganomics, Rush Limbaugh has a finely honed ability to twist and distort
reality.

Limbaugh's facts are almost never challenged on his programs. A hostile caller hardly
ever gets through the screeners on his radio show, and his TV show is just him doing
a monologue in front of his cheering audience. No one in the history of national
television has had such a political platform. He has almost never corrected anything
he's said--although he did apologize once to the aerosol industry for implying that
spray cans still had CFCs in them. (CFCs were removed in 1978.)

or going after someone with Parkinson's disease.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/10/24/AR2006102400691.html

[skate]

Xactly tom;


and and and lots (not Lotts/zilly) more "right wingers" are doing just that very thing.
why else would Congress "now be talking" about control of your radio thru new laws.
right or wrong, this case they are right, they(right wing radio) are mostly on the side of justice, without the "monday morning Q - backing".

[skate]

http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=1895
This kind of sloppiness, ignorance and/or fabrication is run of the mill in Limbaugh's
commentary, both broadcast and print. From dioxin to Whitewater, from Rodney
King to Reaganomics, Rush Limbaugh has a finely honed ability to twist and distort
reality.

Limbaugh's facts are almost never challenged on his programs. A hostile caller hardly
ever gets through the screeners on his radio show, and his TV show is just him doing
a monologue in front of his cheering audience. No one in the history of national
television has had such a political platform. He has almost never corrected anything
he's said--although he did apologize once to the aerosol industry for implying that
spray cans still had CFCs in them. (CFCs were removed in 1978.)

or going after someone with Parkinson's disease.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/10/24/AR2006102400691.html


Gees, you didn't address "right or wrong", hello!

is he right?

[boxcar]

How about Rush?
Continually on the opposite side of Repubs on many issue since the election, even vocally against many White House positions. He spent almost a full hour today berreting Trent Lott, and even had a Lott parady.

Seems Rush is concerned with ISSUES, not people.

Can someone point me to anyone on Airhead America who is similarly fair and balanced?

I have long wondered if Rush would ever cease carrying the water for the Party of Stupid. It seems he might have seen the light.

Boxcar

[Tom]

46 - as one who listens to the program, you are wrong.
Try forming your own opinion instead of reading someone else's.
Then come talk to me.
Until then, you know nothing.

[boxcar]

Is Air America still on? I know they went under in Dallas. I heard both of their listeners moved.

AA had that many listeners!?

Boxcar

[46zilzal]

46 - as one who listens to the program, you are wrong.
Try forming your own opinion instead of reading someone else's.

I promised a friend I would listen to him for awhile. Nausea made me change the channel.

[skate]

I promised a friend I would listen to him for awhile. Nausea made me change the channel.

brilliant!

you just gave us two paragraphs on The Rush Man and now your back with " i promised a friend i would listen".

i could smell you coming:lol:

[kenwoodallpromos]

http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=1895
This kind of sloppiness, ignorance and/or fabrication is run of the mill in Limbaugh's
commentary, both broadcast and print. From dioxin to Whitewater, from Rodney
King to Reaganomics, Rush Limbaugh has a finely honed ability to twist and distort
reality.

Limbaugh's facts are almost never challenged on his programs. A hostile caller hardly
ever gets through the screeners on his radio show, and his TV show is just him doing
a monologue in front of his cheering audience. No one in the history of national
television has had such a political platform. He has almost never corrected anything
he's said--although he did apologize once to the aerosol industry for implying that
spray cans still had CFCs in them. (CFCs were removed in 1978.)

or going after someone with Parkinson's disease.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/10/24/AR2006102400691.html
_____________
First, what % of the liberals that try to call Rush are "hostile", and why should Rush put "hostile" callers on the air?
Point 2- as far as TV goes, I have seen many TV commentators on both sides get such a platform. Rosie for 1 until she got too personal; Dobbs is another; as are most hosts on MSNBC like Chris Matthews by his slanted questions, and a couple on FOX NEWS like Hannity and North. PBS is much more low key but most political and news hosts there have a constant slant to their commentary.
Just because because he hollers and rustles papers does not mean others do not do an act similar to his! His act is just too tired and predictable for me.

[Steve 'StatMan']

You want Totally Fair & Balanced? You'll have to watch Russian Girls Gymnastics.

[JustRalph]

Is Air America still on? I know they went under in Dallas. I heard both of their listeners moved.

:lol: :lol:

[Lefty]

well, haven't listened to much of Rush in a while cause of my schedule changes, but Rush always welcomed Hostle libs and told his screeners to get them to the head of the line. So as usual Zilly, you don't really have any firsthand exp and your secondhand sources are lying to you. Maybe someday you'll figure it out.
Yes, I imagine socialists do have probs with capitalist Rush.

[Tom]

Funny, as 46 posted that ridculous and untrue allegation today, Rush was taking a call from a hostile libs whinning about his stance on the anmesty bill.
As usual, 46 missed the point.
That being, Rush carry's nobody's water - if they do not agree with his beliefs, he doesn't uspport them, party be dfamned. and my ??? was, name me a lib who can say that. So far, not a one had been identified.:lol:

[IBCNU]

http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=1895
This kind of sloppiness, ignorance and/or fabrication is run of the mill in Limbaugh's
commentary, both broadcast and print. From dioxin to Whitewater, from Rodney
King to Reaganomics, Rush Limbaugh has a finely honed ability to twist and distort
reality.

Limbaugh's facts are almost never challenged on his programs. A hostile caller hardly
ever gets through the screeners on his radio show, and his TV show is just him doing
a monologue in front of his cheering audience. No one in the history of national
television has had such a political platform. He has almost never corrected anything
he's said--although he did apologize once to the aerosol industry for implying that
spray cans still had CFCs in them. (CFCs were removed in 1978.)

or going after someone with Parkinson's disease.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/10/24/AR2006102400691.html


If thats true then by all accounts the program would eventually fail unless your suggesting that the 20,000,000 listeners really have nothing better to do.

[JustRalph]

If thats true then by all accounts the program would eventually fail unless your suggesting that the 20,000,000 listeners really have nothing better to do.

Never ceases to amaze me that 20 million people a week can listen to a radio show and that same show can be the most successful radio venture ever in the history of radio, and people still think the way they do about Rush and his listeners. Nobody in the history of Radio has ever had a larger audience and the fact that he has maintained it for all these years speaks volumes about it. Yet some people believe they are smarter and find a way to put down the listeners and the show, when admitting that they have never listened for any appreciable amount of time? Fox news gets the same bullshit nose in the air attitude from those who think they are "better informed" yet.........Fox kicks their asses every week.

FOXNEWS O'REILLY 2,748,000
FNC HANNITY/COLMES 1,741,000
FNC GRETA 1,738,000
FNC SHEP SMITH 1,580,000
FNC BRIT HUME 1,298,000
CNN LARRY KING 1,100,000
FNC CAVUTO 1,023,000
CNNHN NANCY GRACE 1,000,000
CNN DOBBS 764,000
CNN COOPER 755,000
CNN ZAHN 683,000
MSNBC OLBERMANN 624,000
CNNHN GLENN BECK 511,000
MSNBC HARDBALL 397,000

Btw, if my math is right.......Rush Limbaugh has almost four times as many listeners as Olbermann and Mr. Hardball put together, each week.

He also has more listeners than O'Reilly gets viewers in a week..........and O'Reilly is the most watched cable news show in the world.

Think about it...........

[DanG]

CNNHN NANCY GRACE 1,000,000

When Nancy Grace draws those kinds of numbers I really need to check into space travel. :bang::bang::bang:


Not speaking to the ideology that list represents / or doesn’t depending on your perspective. However, this is a nation that consumes McDonald’s, Budweiser and Rap music in historic proportions, so I wouldn’t always judge content on popularity.

[Lefty]

ahh, zilly, bringing up Michael Fox again. Just verifies the point that Ann Coulter made awhile back. The left loves to put people out there that are "bullet proof" Cindy Sheehan, The Jersey Girls, M. Fox and the list goes on. You just proved her point, once again.

[JustRalph]

When Nancy Grace draws those kinds of numbers I really need to check into space travel. :bang::bang::bang:


Not speaking to the ideology that list represents / or doesn’t depending on your perspective. However, this is a nation that consumes McDonald’s, Budweiser and Rap music in historic proportions, so I wouldn’t always judge content on popularity.

I agree. But something doesn't last 20 years without having some merit. Fox is now 10 yrs old.........and gaining ground every day.

If it didn't fill a void in the market........it wouldn't last. Katie Couric, Brian Williams are examples of wherein the media trys to lead the viewers.......and you see where they are going..........Couric is an abject failure and NBC news is bleeding every week. I think instead of referring to Fox viewers and Rush listeners as sheeple, maybe the opposite is true? Maybe these people think about the issues of the day and gravitate toward a deeper less Pied Piper broadcast? You never know..............some of us actually have brains.........in spite of what 46 and Sec think............

[bigmack]

When Nancy Grace draws those kinds of numbers I really need to check into space travel
Quite possibly THE most bothersome woman in the history of herstory.

http://static.firedoglake.com/2006/10/nancy_grace_036.jpg

[Suff]

I agree. But something doesn't last 20 years without having some merit. Fox is now 10 yrs old.........and gaining ground every day.

If it didn't fill a void in the market........it wouldn't last. Katie Couric, Brian Williams are examples of wherein the media trys to lead the viewers.......and you see where they are going..........Couric is an abject failure and NBC news is bleeding every week. I think instead of referring to Fox viewers and Rush listeners as sheeple, maybe the opposite is true? Maybe these people think about the issues of the day and gravitate toward a deeper less Pied Piper broadcast? You never know..............some of us actually have brains.........in spite of what 46 and Sec think............


No. Wrong again. Most Fox and Rush Listeners are suckers (customers). Many are sheep, and most assuredly the Pace Advantage members are true lackeys.

First of all Clear-Channel owns 600 stations, and Rush's distribution arm. They are just like Hollywood studios that own 80% of the screens. They tell you what movies you will see (or not).

Fox's ratings are declining and where they are rising they are getting crushed. Orielly up 19% in 2007. Olberman up 67%.


But more importantly, despite Fox having more viewers? CNN makes 5 times the operating profit because they get higher rates. Because their listeners buy more than chewing tobacco and comic books. 5 TIMES!!!


Paul Rittenberg, head of advertising sales for the Fox News Channel, got on the phone recently to counter a low-ball offer. Chrysler wanted to buy nearly $2 million of commercials -- but at a cut-rate price of $8 per thousand viewers.

Mr. Rittenberg pushed for $11.98, almost a dollar below his original asking price. Chrysler turned him down. As he hung up the phone, Mr. Rittenberg said nervously, "I hope CNN didn't get it ."



The haggling illustrates a frustrating paradox for Fox News. No longer a struggling upstart, it is beating Time Warner Inc.'s Cable News Network handily in the ratings. But in the peculiar market for television advertising, where the usual rules of supply and demand don't always apply, it has trouble commanding the same rates as its rival.

Attracting a large audience can often let a TV show charge higher rates

But a large audience is not a guarantee of garnering premium prices. Media buyers say they generally pay Fox News ad rates that are about 75% to 80% of what they pay CNN -- even though CNN has only about half the audience of Fox News. And for all the inroads Fox News has made as a news organization, Mr. Rittenberg has to contend with advertisers who use CNN as a yardstick of quality.





CNN has 3,800 employees world-wide and more than 14 different networks and services, such as CNN International and CNN Headline News. Its networks are available in more than 200 countries. By contrast, Fox News has a little over 1,000 employees and is distributed in more than 40 countries. Its best-rated shows are opinionated commentary programs, "The O'Reilly Factor" and "Hannity & Colmes."

Although the rest of the lineup is news, those shows leave some advertisers with the impression that Fox News is sometimes too hot-blooded and partisan to be considered true journalism. "The Fox News Channel is not perceived as pure news, because it really is no different than talk radio," says Jon Mandel, co-chief executive of Mediacom U.S., a media-buying company. That should translate into lower ad rates, he argues.



Tyler Schaeffer, senior vice president at ad agency Foote Cone & Belding in New York, recently cut a deal for Samsung Electronics Co. to sponsor CNN's election coverage, instead of its competitors'. "I can get a rating point anywhere," he says. This deal "provides ownership of prestigious content and a partnership with a leading news organization."




Five times operating profit than fox.!


What are you worth?

[PaceAdvantage]

Unfortunately, perception and reality seldom see eye to eye, as is the case with Fox News.

What are we debating here again?

Oh, and nice to see you too Suff....

[lsbets]

Olberman up 67%! :lol: :lol: Well, from 1 to 2 is 100%, so in context of his overall numbers, the percentage isn't that impressive. Besides, anyone with intelligence who has ever watched Olberman would have to admit you would need to be certifiable to think the guy has any sense. Olberman is a bufoon, not very bright, and I would suspect most of his loyal audience fits the same descriptions. But, if you are impressed by 67% of next to nothing, than you are not too hard to impress, so go ahead and enjoy yourself.

[DanG]

I agree. But something doesn't last 20 years without having some merit. Fox is now 10 yrs old.........and gaining ground every day.

If it didn't fill a void in the market........it wouldn't last. Katie Couric, Brian Williams are examples of wherein the media trys to lead the viewers.......and you see where they are going..........Couric is an abject failure and NBC news is bleeding every week. I think instead of referring to Fox viewers and Rush listeners as sheeple, maybe the opposite is true? Maybe these people think about the issues of the day and gravitate toward a deeper less Pied Piper broadcast? You never know..............some of us actually have brains.........in spite of what 46 and Sec think............
Point taken Ralph;

Although pushing agendas and "leading" viewers is not exclusive of the left. The biggest “centrist” in the universe still has an agenda.

I don’t watch much 24 cable news, but I do admit to being drawn to Lou Dobbs. Were all drawn to who aligns with our own viewpoints and he seems to share my frustration with both parties. In some ways he’s the Howard Beale [Peter Finch in ‘Network] of our time IMHO.

http://billtush.com/blog/archives/images/networkmad.jpg

[DanG]

Quite possibly THE most bothersome woman in the history of herstory.

http://static.firedoglake.com/2006/10/nancy_grace_036.jpg

ROFL...:lol::lol:

[Tom]

Lou Dobbs - at least he has the guts to challenge the BS.
But he must here illegally - he covers stories American reporters will not cover.:rolleyes:

[DanG]

Olberman is a bufoon, not very bright, and I would suspect most of his loyal audience fits the same descriptions.
Interesting Isbets,

What are you basing “not very bright on?” :confused:

Idealistic, extremely opinionated, voices many far left positions and from the little I have seen exaggerates some of them to create interest and contrast with Fox.

In the time I’ve heard him talk he’s very articulate and has studied more than his share of history.

I’m certainly not defending Keith who I’ve seen more on sportscenter than his cable show, but in a medium where “hair density” is FAR more important than substance he can at least complete a complicated sentence regardless of your viewpoint.

Just my opinion; I do admit bias, because I got a kick out of him when he worked with Dan Patrick on sportscenter.

PS / IMO: When 24/7 news channels were 1st launched I thought it was a terrific idea and seeing some of them in real time they are a tremendous disappointment.

As I switch channels I see a series of sensational page-6 stories and unpaid political commercials. If I have anyone of them on with the sound down there are times I would swear the scroll on the bottom is coming directly from the ‘DNC / GOP headquarters. Not a big fan of being lobbied while I’m trying to digest a pork chop. :)

[GaryG]

I agree with ls about the buffoon part. I was living in SoCal (I escaped though) when he was a sportscaster on one of the local stations. He was a real "buffoon", always trying to insert a smart alec comment where none was needed. Also, his "image" changed almost daily. I put him in a class with Jon Stewart....

[DanG]

I agree with ls about the buffoon part. I was living in SoCal (I escaped though) when he was a sportscaster on one of the local stations. He was a real "buffoon", always trying to insert a smart alec comment where none was needed. Also, his "image" changed almost daily. I put him in a class with Jon Stewart....
"Buffoon" can be in the eye of the beholder…

“Not very bright” is not quite as subjective IMO.

I have nearly every WC Fields on DVD that I could find. I’ve laughed until I cried watching him and consider him a comic genius. To say my X-wife would call him a “buffoon” would be putting it mildly. :D

With that…I’m off to the races. Best of luck to all regardless of what channel, newspaper or thoughts you choose to absorb. :ThmbUp::ThmbUp:

[chickenhead]

ALL 24 hr news is the devil, I refuse to watch those channels. The best news product that is put on TV continues to be the Lehrer show on PBS. :p
who cares about ratings or ad dollars, I can judge quality with mine own two eyes. I don't see any Paris Hilton coverage on Lehrer. I win.

[46zilzal]

ALL 24 hr news is the devil, I refuse to watch those channels. The best news product that is put on TV continues to be the Lehrer show on PBS.
correcto

[Tom]

That's too newsy for me.
I want gratuitously sexy anchors.
I want my news dumbed down and tarted up. :p:kiss:

[Lefty]

correcto
zilly, you thinking about sneaking bk into this country through Mexico?

[46zilzal]

zilly, you thinking about sneaking bk into this country through Mexico?
I moved furniture for nine summers to get through college and professional school. I sweated buckets in that hot climate and never want to live in that heat again. There is always something you can do about cold: put on more clothes.
You cannot escape heat.

[DanG]

I want gratuitously sexy anchors.

I’m guessing there has yet to be a fixed race at Finger Lakes if everyone is as honest as you Tom! :jump:

[DanG]

There is always something you can do about cold:
Yes…MOVE!!!

To each his own 46…

I have a memory burned into my brain for eternity. Using a hair dryer to unthaw the door lock to my car in New Jersey. :eek:

Sorry…really contributing to thread drift here.

[bigmack]

You cannot escape heat.
What heat? Live on the coast. It's always 73 with a breeze.

[skate]

if you cant win the debate

put out the fire

eliminate debate.

or, use the "suff"er method and make up your own rules, as you go.:cool:

[Lefty]

I moved furniture for nine summers to get through college and professional school. I sweated buckets in that hot climate and never want to live in that heat again. There is always something you can do about cold: put on more clothes.
You cannot escape heat.
zilly, do you not know that some states in this country are quite cold?
I moved from Ind to Vegas 31 yrs ago FOR the heat and i'm loving it.

[46zilzal]

zilly, do you not know that some states in this country are quite cold?
I moved from Ind to Vegas 31 yrs ago FOR the heat and i'm loving it.
That baking has shown it's damage for a long time now.

[boxcar]

That baking has shown it's damage for a long time now.

Be careful, 46er. What has showed with you is that living in Frozen Tundra Land has definitely slowed your cerebral gears down -- sometimes to a dead stop!

Boxcar

[JustRalph]

From the Pew Research Center

"Judged by their answers to three knowledge questions, the most informed audiences belong to the political magazines, Rush Limbaugh's radio show, The O'Reilly Factor, news magazines, and online news sources. Close behind are the regular audiences for NPR and The Daily Show."

http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/daily/site_062807/content/pewpoll.Par.0002.ImageFile.gif

[Secretariat]

This wasn't worth a new thread, but I found it pretty revealing of the bias of the unfair and unbalanced propaganda network.

http://mediamatters.org/items/200709140002?f=h_latest

Fox only broadcast network that did not air Democratic response to Bush speech

Summary: Following President Bush's address to the nation on Iraq, Fox was the only broadcast network not to air the Democratic response. Instead, Shepard Smith gave a short description of the response and stated: "Our coverage continues on the Fox News Channel on cable and satellite with the Democratic response and more. Right now, back to your local Fox programming." ABC, NBC, and CBS all aired the Democratic response.

...........................

You just got to laugh.

[46zilzal]

Look at the ages (Limbaugh and O'Reilly) and educational levels.....An answer in itself.

Don't evaluate, become spoon fed.

[Tom]

Fox only broadcast network that did not air Democratic response to Bush speech
...........................

You just got to laugh.

Firsrt off, the response was not news. It was political drivel, and and if you recall, the dems are boycotting Fox. I wouldn't give them free political air time, either. I do have to laugh....at YOU.

[Tom]

Look at the ages (Limbaugh and O'Reilly) and educational levels.....An answer in itself.

Don't evaluate, become spoon fed.

What an eleitest snob your are?!
First of all, Rush is NOT on Fox.

Second, let me call YOU out this time, you troll...what the HELL does age and educational background have to do with ANYTHING? Do you have a CLUE as to how Rush got where he is today?

Let me put it to you this way - being a "doctor" I assume you went to some college, other than a mailing address in Meixco, and your are hands down one of the most IGNORANT posters iin the history of PaceAdvantage.

Now, what is your point, TROLL? Once again, you insult a man's integrity and have ZERO and have NOTHING to back it up.

[Boris]

This wasn't worth a new thread, but I found it pretty revealing of the bias of the unfair and unbalanced propaganda network.

http://mediamatters.org/items/200709140002?f=h_latest

Fox only broadcast network that did not air Democratic response to Bush speech

ABC, NBC, and CBS all aired the Democratic response.

...........................



MediaMatters??? Are you serious?? Maybe you should apply for a job over there.

From their tired site:

Careers
Who We Are
Staff/Advisors
FAQ
Jobs
Researcher
Media Matters for America — a progressive, Washington-based, nonprofit research and information center dedicated to comprehensively monitoring, analyzing, and correcting conservative misinformation in the U.S. media — seeks a researcher to help carry out this mission as a member of its Research Department. This position is based in our Washington, D.C., office. Applicants must be prepared to relocate if not living within commuting distance of downtown D.C.

Responsibilities
Media Matters researchers are responsible not only for reading, watching, and listening to news outlets, but also for researching, analyzing, and writing about what they observe. In this rapid-response environment, the work of a researcher is likely to be published almost every day on the Media Matters website.

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Please email a resume, cover letter, and salary requirements in plain text or PDF format to mm-job-research@mediamatters.org. Competitive salary and excellent benefits provided. No phone calls, please. We can respond only to candidates whom we are contacting for an interview.

Media Matters for America is an Equal Opportunity Employer.

.......................................

Media Effin Matters. Very revealing indeed. :lol:

[Tom]

Faaaaaaaaair and Balanced.
OooooooooK.

:lol:



(Hi Boris....how's it going?)

[Lefty]

zilly, you want spoonfed? How about all the dem candidates taking their orders from Moveon and The Daily Kos. Gutless wonders. Who among them will have the courage to appear on a tough show like O'Reilly instead of the Larry King types that softball them? My guess: NONE!

[Tom]

Yeah, Lefty, those self-made men, like Teddy "The Head" Kennedy, or John "Ketchup" Kerry. :lol:

[Boris]

(Hi Boris....how's it going?)


Doing well Tom. Too much work and not enough horseys. Thanks for asking.

Check out my link below (if I got the signature thingy working right). Funny shit.

[Tom]

:lol:
I love that show - especially the log drop!

Thanks for the laugh.

[46zilzal]

Second, let me call YOU out this time, you troll...what the HELL does age and educational background have to do with ANYTHING? Do you have a CLUE as to how Rush got where he is today?



Educational level differentiates those who evaluate and those who regurgitate.
My favorite Rush story is the time he hosted the tonight show and the entire audience left the studio in protest. He got to where he is pissing people off with his irrational rants.

http://mediamatters.org/issues_topics/people/rushlimbaugh
Limbaugh regularly feeds his audience a diet of falsehoods, misstatements, distortions, invective, and childish put-downs in service of the conservative movement. During his long reign over the airwaves, Limbaugh has called abortion rights activists "feminazis", told an African-American caller to "take that bone out of your nose," referred to prisoner abuse at Abu Ghraib as "blow[ing] some steam off, " and declared that "what's good for Al Qaeda is good for the Democratic Party." He touts his close connections to Republicans, claiming that he "[g]ot a big hug" from President George W. Bush during a 2004 White House visit.

In August 2005, Limbaugh asserted that Cindy Sheehan, the mother of a soldier killed in Iraq who staged an anti-war protest outside President Bush's ranch in Texas, "is just Bill Burkett. Her story is nothing more than forged documents." Burkett is a retired Texas Air National Guard officer who provided CBS' 60 Minutes with unauthenticated
documents regarding President Bush's National Guard record. After Media Matters for America documented this, he claimed that he was taken "out of context" by "little
pimple-faced kids that are working at wannabe websites" -- even as the audio and text published by Media Matters proved otherwise. Limbaugh also claimed that Sheehan
was "exploiting death."

Limbaugh has also spread numerous rumors and conspiracy theories about the Clinton family, alleging that Hillary Rodham Clinton was involved in the 1993 suicide of deputy
White House counsel Vincent Foster and peddling gay-baiting sexual innuendo about Clinton based on Edward Klein's error- and innuendo-filled book, The Truth About Hillary.

Limbaugh was forced to resign from his position as a football analyst on ESPN in 2003 after he claimed that Philadelphia Eagles quarterback Donovan McNabb was overrated because "[t]he media has been very desirous that a black quarterback do well." The following season, McNabb led his team to the Super Bowl.

More B.S. from the creator of excrement central.
http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=1895

[46zilzal]

more b.s.
http://mediamatters.org/items/200405050003

good comparison too.http://www.cursor.org/stories/fascismi.php
Now that the president he supported -- George W. Bush -- is running the show, however, Limbaugh's anti-government bent has Rush is Pro-Bush. After all, being anti-government seems practically anti-Republican these days, considering the GOP owns all three branches of government and virtually controls the Fourth Estate as well.

[Lefty]

zilly, it's justthe opposite. It's you overeducated pompous asses who blve everything some Communist Professor, who operates on theory and knows nothing of the real world, tells you. You are a hate filled bunch that blve nobody can make it without govt help. It's you who lacks faith in your fellow man.
Oddly, that's my favorite Rush story too, because he faced an obviously "stacked" audience and he did it with Aplomb intelligence and dignity. I had never seen or heard of him before that. I told my wife,"This guy is going places."
BTW, you love to correct people so let me correct you, as i love to correct pompous asses: IT WAS NOT THE TONIGHT SHOW!. It was the Pat Sajack(spelling may be wrong)Show on CBS. So next time Bush misspeaks, don't forget that you too, make mistakes.

[46zilzal]

Pig of propaganda....an apropos term
http://rackjite.com/web/rush_limbaugh.htm

[46zilzal]

BTW, you love to correct people so let me correct you, as i love to correct pompous asses: IT WAS NOT THE TONIGHT SHOW!. It was the Pat Sajack(spelling may be wrong)Show on CBS. So next time Bush misspeaks, don't forget that you too, make mistakes.

what's the difference? The audience leaving the studio TO A MAN, tells you a lot about the pig at the podium.

QUOTE:'It's you overeducated pompous asses"

...One can NEVER be OVER-educated, NEVER.

[Lefty]

I like the Prionce of Truth better and it's more apropos. You guys hate him so much it's proof positive he's doing something right. He scares the hell out of you because he reveals you elite socialists for what you are.

[46zilzal]

Prince of Truth??????

You continue an alternate reality. I suppose that makes you content but it is hard to stomach that one could really believe all that garbage this CLOWN spews out as fact.

[Lefty]

BTW, zilly, it's you refuse to debate in your own words an uneducated guy like me. It's you who posts link after leftwing link. SillyZilly, The REGURGITATOR IS YOU!!!!

[46zilzal]

http://thinkprogress.org/2006/04/18/rumsfeld-limbaugh/
Yesterday on Rush Limbaugh, embattled Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld said that those who criticize the Iraq war are being manipulated by terrorists, including Zarqawi and bin Laden, through the U.S. media:

There have always been people who have opposed wars…I think we just have to accept it, that people have a right to say what they want to say, and to have an acceptance of that and recognize that the terrorists, Zarqawi and bin Laden and Zawahiri, those people have media committees.

They are actively out there trying to manipulate the press in the United States. They are very good at it.

So, according to Rumsfeld, the media isn’t just failing to report the “good news” from Iraq, it is being actively manipulated by terrorists. Those that are critical of the war are simply buying into the propaganda.

The only way to circumvent the terrorist-influenced U.S. media, apparently, is to listen to Rush Limbaugh.

So full of crap as to be laughable.

[Lefty]

zilly, the difference is, it was planned and staged. That's the difference. Is your education getting in the way again. And you got the wrong show too. Chk your facts boy, didn't they teach you that in them thar learnin places?

[46zilzal]

http://www.veteransforcommonsense.org/index.cfm/page/weblog/subpage/display_blog/bid/8727F932-20ED-7596-8F6841F550EE9284

[46zilzal]

BTW, zilly, it's you refuse to debate in your own words an uneducated guy like me. It's you who posts link after leftwing link. SillyZilly, The REGURGITATOR IS YOU!!!!
Those who were not fortunate enough to have the opportunity of education seem to rebel and contend blanket contempt and UNIFORM description of anyone else's experience without ever knowing what goes on first hand. People become enlightened to the gift of education. Those who hold it in contempt seem to garner greater anger toward it over time (cerebral atherosclerosis no doubt).

In the realm of the science background I received, one learns that the debate on ANY subject is never over since subsequent discoveries make yesterday's points of view outdated. Truth is not absolute but varies over time.

[Lefty]

If they tght you debate was about quoting everyone else that agrees with you through infinite links and never tght you to put things in your own words and to "color" it with your own experience, then I'm glad that I'm mostly self-educated. I have lots of horsplaying College Friends that come to me for answers on various subjects. There ya go.

[46zilzal]

I I'm glad that I'm mostly self-educated. I have lots of horsplaying College Friends that come to me for answers on various subjects. .
IGNORANCE is bliss.

[JustRalph]

this is fun, trying to figure out what some people are saying when they are on ignore. Go get him lefty.............It appears that he has decided he is a better person because he is a doctor or such? :lol:

Lefty, put him on ignore and forget about him....................I did...........

[46zilzal]

Old cops never go off duty

[46zilzal]

ANY rational person who investigates anything does not rely on a single source. That is the great thing about the internet in being able to look at a report via differing frames of reference before deciding what is germane in it's understanding, IF one can even make that statement. Often, quite often, it takes subsequent investigations to get at the truth.

[Greyfox]

Truth is not absolute but varies over time.

That statement is an absolutism , reflecting relativistic thinking.

[46zilzal]

That statement is an absolutism , reflecting relativistic thinking.
hogwash..it has built-in variability and is not constant...

Strange I though EVERYTHING was relative.

[Greyfox]

hogwash..it has built-in variability and is not constant...

Strange I though EVERYTHING was relative.

http://www.ianjuby.org/images/hogwashmeterred.jpg

Not according to Plato in the Republic. :lol:

[46zilzal]

Read a financial report, sports etc. and it's importance (even though the facts are the same) is relative to the audience that receives it.

A colt wins at Epsom. People is Sussex are going to find that very interesting whereas people in Turkey or Bolivia might just find it just interesting.

A boat sinks off the coast of Italy with a group from Armenia. News is reported all over the world. How relevant is that to the people of Oregon RELATIVE to their Armenian cousins? or the Italian boat owners?

It is all relative.....

quote:"Not according to Plato in the Republic." I sincerely don't believe Plato's world is that relevant to today.

[PaceAdvantage]

Limbaugh regularly feeds his audience a diet of falsehoods, misstatements, distortions, invective, and childish put-downs in service of the conservative movement.Replace the words Limbaugh with "Air-America" and conservative with "far-left" and you have the same thing. Only difference being, Limbaugh draws ratings and makes money for his radio stations, while Air-America receives no audience and must file bankruptcy.

Why is that?

[lsbets]

IGNORANCE is bliss.

If that were true, you'd be the happiest guy alive. :jump:

[Tom]

Prince of Truth??????

You continue an alternate reality. I suppose that makes you content but it is hard to stomach that one could really believe all that garbage this CLOWN spews out as fact.

Well, 46, Rush is several levels aboiv eYOU in the brains department. YOU are the onw who cannot speak for yourself.You have to resort to links, cartoons, and insults - not once have you shown any ability to discsuss anything intellignetly. Meanwhile, Rush sits there, high atop the ratings, and he got there on his own sweat and determination.
Fuhnny, the two bigest morons in your bookl - Bush and Rush ( did you pick those two because you could easily spell thier names?:D) have risen as far as anyone can in their fields - and both repeatedy have withstood all attempt by the left to dethrone them. :lol::lol::lol:

They make YOU look stupid, zilly - really stupid.

[Tom]

Old cops never go off duty


This is for you Ralph......a teaser. :lol:

[46zilzal]

Greenspan is not alone in his appreciation of the rutabaga.

[46zilzal]

good likeness.

[Lefty]

sillyzilly, once again you puke links, insults and cartoons uponus. The regurgitator is YOU. That's all you do.
Where do you get it that i only rely on one source? I rely on several, and Rush is rarely one of them because i'm leaving about the time he comes on. And i'm able to take my sources ascertain the facts and tell you about them in my own words and relate them to my life experience. Something you so far, have failed to demonstrate.

Ralp, sillyzilly is just too much fun to ignore. In fact I ignore the ignore button.

[46zilzal]

relate them to my life experience. Something you so far, have failed to demonstrate.


The card tables really teach one a lot about life.....in spades.

[Lefty]

zilly, I've had a varied and full life. There's more to me than cards and horses. In fact, i've talked a lot about my life in various threads here. I'm certainly glad that my life has tght me not to be a snob and never look dn on anyone because of their education or lack of it. I've learned a lot from people that weren't considered well educated but they certainly had smarts. I myself have always been a voracious reader since the age of four. How long did it take you to read, zilly?

[Tom]

The card tables really teach one a lot about life.....in spades.


You are really nothing but an POMPOUS ASS.
You are a very small, insignificant little piss ant of a man.
Further examples of your eltist hogwash.....

Educational level differentiates those who evaluate and those who regurgitate.

And yet you, an alleged college grad posts this:

My favorite Rush story is the time he hosted the tonight show and the entire audience left the studio in protest. He got to where he is pissing people off with his irrational rants .


It was the Pat Sajeck Show, NOT the tonight show, and the entire audience was there, like the Code Stink people, to cuase troube and interupt the show.....being an alleged doctor, is this adult behavior?
And so the whole audience was CLEAR OUT by the staff. I watched it that night. But nice try at once against twisting the facts. Was that your minor?

People like your are a dime a dozen - miserable little pukes who are desperate for a attention, degreading others - Rush, O'REilly, now Lefty. All three are who stand far taller than your alleged 6'3". Must be you have a PHD being that tall.

[Lefty]

Wow, Tom. I'm honered you put me in such great company.

[o0xst!]

The problem is the system. Air America shouldn't be in the mainstream..Democracynow should. www.democracynow.org

How about Rush?
Continually on the opposite side of Repubs on many issue since the election, even vocally against many White House positions. He spent almost a full hour today berreting Trent Lott, and even had a Lott parady.

Seems Rush is concerned with ISSUES, not people.

Can someone point me to anyone on Airhead America who is similarly fair and balanced?

[o0xst!]

Also, Tom's argument is similar to someone saying McCain is anti Big Media becuase he voted against the 96 Telecom act, making him the only Republican to do so.

It is on record that he voted against it because it wasn't pro big business ENOUGH!!!

[JustRalph]

This is for you Ralph......a teaser. :lol:

I've got him on ignore so I don't know what context he said that..........I don't think I am missing much..............

[Tom]

I know what you mean......the two posts above you are on mine.....can't say I missed anything either.

[46zilzal]

I myself have always been a voracious reader since the age of four. How long did it take you to read, zilly?
actually I was reading with the help of my grandparents at three.

[Tom]

At what age did comprehension kick in?:p