Globalization/One World Government?

[so.cal.fan]

I have a friend, she is an 80 year old historian.
She claims that there is a plan to make the entire world a one-world government.
Sort of a Trotsky-type utopia. She says they are well on their way to acheiving it, except for radical Islam is the threat to it not happening as they plan.
There will be no middle class.....just the elitists running the show, and the "masses".....us. We will all have free health care, etc, and everyone will live happily ever after. She sites ancient Egypt as an example.
She also says it won't work due to the fact that the masses will never all calibrate on the same level, sort of the "Bell Curve" theory.
Do any of you see this?

[Tom]

Bush is well on his way to the North American units, with will disolve the borders and make the USA/Mexico/Canada on country. He has full support of both governements, and in fact, part of the amnesty bill allows him free reign in this project - without consent or approval of congress or the people.

Globalization means an endless supply of cheap, uneducated, dependent citizens, easy to control.

What's next.....Soylent Green? :eek:

[Greyfox]

Conspiracy theorists have been batting this one around for years and actually claim that it already exists. We, the peons just don't know it. It has flown under the banner of New World Order. Supposedly bankers and industrialists have behind it for decades.

For info see http://carpenoctem.tv/cons/nwo.html

From wikipedia:
"New World Order (Novus Ordo Mundi) refers to a conspiracy in which a powerful and secretive group is claimed to be conspiring to eventually rule the world (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_domination) via an autonomous (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autonomy) world government, which would replace sovereign (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sovereignty) states and other checks and balances in world power struggles. In new world order conspiracy theories, many significant occurrences are caused by a powerful secret group. Historical and current events are seen as steps in an on-going plot to rule the world primarily through a combination of political finance, social engineering (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_engineering), mind control (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mind_control)[citation needed] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Citing_sources), and fear-based propaganda (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Propaganda). "

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_World_Order_(conspiracy)

[kenwoodallpromos]

""For more than a century, ideological extremists at either end of the political spectrum have seized upon well-publicized incidents such as my encounter with Castro to attack the Rockefeller family for the inordinate influence they claim we wield over American political and economic institutions. Some even believe we are part of a secret cabal working against the best interests of the United States, characterizing my family and me as 'internationalists' and of conspiring with others around the world to build a more integrated global political and economic structure - one world, if you will. If that is the charge, I stand guilty, and I am proud of it." - From Rockefeller's "Memoirs", (p.405)."

[Greyfox]

The internet is prime ground for the "Conspiracy Theorists."
The history of Novus Ordo Mundi - New World Order is laid out
between 1773 - 1998 at the following site:
http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/esp_sociopol_nwo.htm

That particular page gives you enough reading from here until the end of the summer. Of interest is The Thirteen Predictions on the War on Terrorism at:
http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sociopolitica/esp_sociopol_911_27.htm

Keep in mind that the material has been written by "conspiracy theorists"
who consider the internet as the best weapon against the "New World Order." (You don't have to believe everything that you read.)

[Dan Montilion]

Enter Rod Serling...

[Tom]

Bush has actually been attending meeting on this - publicized meeting.
It is in motion, and it is hidden in the amnesty bill.

Kiss your border goodby.

[kenwoodallpromos]

Been tried by many empires but they all get too greedy, expansive, and immoral and get beat back; but could work if they keep the manual laborers down enough.
As far as the socio-ecomonic elites are concerned, a "perfect" one-world-govenment would progress just like the racing industry is doing now.

[Greyfox]

Been tried by many empires but they all get too greedy, expansive, and immoral and get beat back; but could work if they keep the manual laborers down enough.
As far as the socio-ecomonic elites are concerned, a "perfect" one-world-govenment would progress just like the racing industry is doing now.

My understanding of this idea based on what my conspiracy aquaintances tell me is simple:
1. The "New World Government" is not like an empire that you can see such as a United Nations.
2. It is run by wealthy capitalists, from behind the scenes.
3. It is all about greed and control.
4. War is welcomed more than peace as it:
a. produces non-stop profits
b. provides a means of population control

[so.cal.fan]

My limited understanding of the idea is that it will be a combination of Capitalism and Socialism.

[Tom]

With the results of meth and booze.

[DJofSD]

I can not take issue with what Greyfox posted.

Read "The World is Flat" and understand, that by and large, the main reason for the U. S. stock markets and earnings to be an such a tear is due to the booming economies in the rest of the world (ROW for you non-Cramer watchers). For some companies, fully 2/3's of their profits come from offshore.

As Bush and company continue to destroy the soviernty of the U. S., the resistance to the flow of capital, goods and services will steadly decrease.

Will there ever be a "one world government"? I hope not. Will our present government continue to bend over to benefit of the elite of both major polical parties -- you bet it will.

[so.cal.fan]

Even if they do succeed in getting a one world government run by elites, their problem is going to be controlling the people who do not chose to be "worker ants".
Again, you have the "Bell Curve" here. There is always going to be sections of the populations that will rebel.
If you get rid of the middle classes.........it's not really going to work, at least it never has worked throughout history.

[Greyfox]

Even if they do succeed in getting a one world government run by elites, their problem is going to be controlling the people who do not chose to be "worker ants".
Again, you have the "Bell Curve" here. There is always going to be sections of the populations that will rebel.
If you get rid of the middle classes.........it's not really going to work, at least it never has worked throughout history.

First of all you have to appreciate that I am not a conspiracy theorist, but I know several who are and what they would say to you so.cal.fan.

Ask the following Questions:
1. To whom (what individual people) does the United States owe trillions of dollars to?
2. Do you owe money? To whom do you owe it? (Chances are you do owe money and are working to pay it off. Whoever you pay it off to has to pay off their shareholders.)
3. If you are not part of the "elite," you are already a "worker ant." You pay your taxes. Your government pays some of those taxes to who they owe money to.
4. Who can you rebel against? These are behind the scenes controllers. They are not your government. They are capitalists who manipulate money.

Conspiracy theorists will tell you that the scheme is already working.
The last thing you would be told is that you are already a worker ant. There's no need for you to know that. Just keep consuming and owing.
These supposed behind the scenes controllers don't particularly care about international borders. They don't mind that you do. Their thinking simply is that Patriotic pride is to be promoted. When two patriotic groups in different lands disagree that may mean war. War = $$$
They are also prepared to sell both sides of a conflict munitions. Remember war is also population control.

At any rate, surely there is some dyed in the wool conspiracy theorist on this message board somewhere who can do a better job of promoting the idea than me. I can only tell you second hand what my conspiracy friends believe.

[Tom]

I think we are way past conspiracy theories - current events are evidence our sovereignty is being destroyed. No borders, a governement who lies thorugh it's teeth on both sides, and a president unfit to eat with pigs.
Time for a coup.

[DJofSD]

Time for a coup.

Bastille Day is coming up. Where shall we start?

[46zilzal]

A Jeffersonian idea written long ago: "whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness."

[Greyfox]

Of interest here, check out the following banner that was at the top of PA's site.

http://www.economyincrisis.org/?content=eicad1&gclid=CIO8jYjX8owCFRAkggodUwnbEA

[DJofSD]

Regarding the GDP -- it is inaccurate and does not take into account those changes to the economy brought on by outsourcing.

[highnote]

IThere will be no middle class.....just the elitists running the show, and the "masses".....us.

The Royal families of Europe are largely blood relatives.

One of the richest young men in Europe is a German man who inherited his fortune.

From Yahoo:

"Yet the world's youngest billionaire, Prince Albert von Thun and Taxis, at age 23, is also one of their number. He briefly appeared in our list at age 8 but officially inherited his fortune on his 18th birthday in 2001."

Notice he is still called a Prince. Did anyone think there were no royal families in Germany anymore?

The fact that someone can inherit a billion dollars is exactly the reason we have an inheritance tax in this country. Without it, an elite ruling class emerges. Eventually, they think they are "royal". The truth is, they are just members of a lucky sperm club.

I'm impressed that Bill Gates and Warren Buffett are giving away most of their fortune. Their kids will still be well taken care of. But at least their kids are not inheriting 50 billion dollars.

Gates and Buffett think you should earn your fortune, not inherit it. I agree.

[DJofSD]

The fact that someone can inherit a billion dollars is exactly the reason we have an inheritance tax in this country.

We have a death tax because the government needs as much money as it can get. If you look at the US Code, the tax on an inheritance includes amounts far, far less than a billion dollars. You might think it's a good thing for the government to take wealth to redistribute it -- I don't.

I'm impressed that Bill Gates and Warren Buffett are giving away most of their fortune. Their kids will still be well taken care of. But at least their kids are not inheriting 50 billion dollars.

Well, at least they have the choice to give it away and to not have it taken away from them. We still do have a choice the last time I checked.

[highnote]

We have a death tax because the government needs as much money as it can get.

That's not the only reason. The argument is also made that without the help of society vast wealth would not be possible. So society is responsible for and makes possible the accumulation of wealth. Therefore, upon death, some of that wealth (not all) should be returned to society.


If you look at the US Code, the tax on an inheritance includes amounts far, far less than a billion dollars.

That's right and that's as it should be.

You might think it's a good thing for the government to take wealth to redistribute it -- I don't.

Everything in moderation.


Well, at least they have the choice to give it away and to not have it taken away from them.

I'm not sure they could pass all their wealth onto their children. I believe there are limits as to how much a person can bequeath.

We still do have a choice the last time I checked.

That is correct. The gov does not take it all. It just feels like it. :bang:

[Tom]

And who the hell gives the governement the right to STEAL a billion dollar?
OF COURSE people can inherite a billion dollatrs. It is the guys who has it's right to leve it to whoever he wants to, for whatever reason. Anything else is STEALING and COMMUNISM. The Catch-22 clause is, anyone who is not happy not being rich is free to go out and EARN a billion himslef.

Man oh man, that kind of talk is incopmprehensible to me......imagine, a country where a family can work hard, make a fortune, and then everyone wants to line up to STEAL it from them. Digusting.

[highnote]

And who the hell gives the governement the right to STEAL a billion dollar?
OF COURSE people can inherite a billion dollatrs. It is the guys who has it's right to leve it to whoever he wants to, for whatever reason. Anything else is STEALING and COMMUNISM. The Catch-22 clause is, anyone who is not happy not being rich is free to go out and EARN a billion himslef.

Man oh man, that kind of talk is incopmprehensible to me......imagine, a country where a family can work hard, make a fortune, and then everyone wants to line up to STEAL it from them. Digusting.


If the inheritance tax is theft, then income tax, property tax and sales tax, must also be theft. Correct?

If that is correct then government should be done away with. If there is no money to fund government services then the military can be disbanded, boarder control can be done away with. No need to pay for airport security, etc.

Every man for himself. Each person can be responsible for their own security -- kind of like Afganistan.

[GaryG]

Conspiracy theorists have "linked" Bush's Skull and Bones organization to the NWO through an int'l cartel called the Illuminati. I think the Freemasons are also involved. I believe the Illuminati was "founded" by what was left of the Knights Templar after King Philip of France had them destroyed. They were so pissed at the French royal family that they organized the French Revolution. Pretty heady stuff...:eek:

[kenwoodallpromos]

I have a friend, she is an 80 year old historian.
She claims that there is a plan to make the entire world a one-world government.
Sort of a Trotsky-type utopia. She says they are well on their way to acheiving it, except for radical Islam is the threat to it not happening as they plan.
There will be no middle class.....just the elitists running the show, and the "masses".....us.
Do any of you see this?
______________
From the Trilateral Commission:
"The “growing interdependence” that so impressed the founders of the Trilateral Commission in the early 1970s is deepening into ****“globalization.”***The need for shared thinking and leadership by the Trilateral countries, who (along with the principal international organizations) remain the primary anchors of the wider international system, has not diminished but, if anything, intensified. At the same time, their leadership must change to take into account the dramatic transformation of the international system. As relations with other countries become more mature—and *****power more diffuse*****—the leadership tasks of the original Trilateral countries need to be carried out with others to an increasing extent."
(In other worrds, make sure the Southern Hemisphere and Middle East play ball with the economic world leaders.)

[Greyfox]

Conspiracy theorists have "linked" Bush's Skull and Bones organization to the NWO through an int'l cartel called the Illuminati. :eek:


It's not only conspiracy theorists that have linked GW to the illuminati.

omnipelagos.com is a search engine that shows how to connect the dots
between any two ideas. They link GW to illuminti right away.

http://omnipelagos.com/query?start_name=George+Bush&end_name=illuminati


Another interesting site on this subject is at:
http://www.jaysnet.com/6661world.html

That site warns that there is a very good chance that you may have a
"key logger" that you've downloaded that monitors every message you send.
Big Brother Watches.
Then there's what you don't see. Hold your mouse down and scroll down this page.




Spyware is also installed by YOURSELF without your knowledge. Numerous proghttp://www.jaysnet.com/6661world.htmlram downloads dubbed as freeware are far from being free. Before downloading a software program, you will see a box that states you agree to the terms of the download. If you have ever seen these terms, I doubt if most Harvard Law Professors could decipher the meaning of the terms you agree too, so most people just download the program. Within the program are various forms of spyware that are now monitoring your computer habits. With or without your knowledge, a keylogger may be installed on your computer. Once installed, this keylogger will allow unknown third parties to view your every move, which include, recording your keystrokes, chat sessions, passwords, web sites visited, e-mails sent or received, downloads, and much more

[Tom]

If the inheritance tax is theft, then income tax, property tax and sales tax, must also be theft. Correct?




Not at all. Inheritence taxes are not the same as property or income taxes, although neither of those ar very fair either. But inheritences have already been taxed and it is not fair that they ar taxed again.
But for the record, we would be better off guarding the border without the interfernece of the Feds - who not only do not support those who do, they jail them and let drug dealers walk free.

[highnote]

Not at all. Inheritence taxes are not the same as property or income taxes, although neither of those ar very fair either. But inheritences have already been taxed and it is not fair that they ar taxed again.


I get taxed every year on my property -- including my cars. How is an inheritance different?

I don't think the Kennedy family, for example, has suffered too much as a result of inheritance taxes. They're still wealthy.

If the inheritance tax were abolished, then income tax, property tax and sales tax would have to increase. That means lower income families would shoulder the burden.

Abolishing the inheritance tax would mean, as usual, that those who benefit would not be the ones who would suffer.

[Dave Schwartz]

I am surprised that nobody has mentioned the biblical prophecy issue here.

One of the "conditions" of the "end times is "one world government," along with one world currency and Bill Gates, uh, I mean the anti-Christ rising to power at the top of the "new world order". There are some other conditions, such as "when all the Jews return to Zion" (which is interpreted as "more Jews in Israel than the rest of the world combined - supposed to happen in 2025) and the temple is rebuilt.

Okay... couldn't be Gates (unless he was secretly born in eastern Europe).



Dave

[Dick Schmidt]

Anyone who has studied history can tell you two things: there have always been conspiracy theories and none of them have ever been proved correct no matter how obsolete they seem today. Before the Capitalists (and their allies, the Bankers. Thank you Ian Rand), there was the Jewish conspiracy to rule the world, before the Jews, it was the Star Chamber, before them, Templars, Satanists and anyone who disagreed with the Church. It never ends and the absolute lack of evidence never seems to matter.

By the way, why on earth would Capitalists want a unified world government? They already control the best parts and bringing in billions of poor people would be counter productive. Being a dedicated Capitalist myself, I certainly don't want to see political power (numbers always matter in politics) or wealth spread any further than it is right now.

Dick

”And St. Attila raised the hand grenade up on high saying: "Oh Lord, bless this thy Holy hand grenade, that with it I may blowest thine enemies to tiny bits, in thy mercy."

[ljb]

Glad to see you folks starting to "get it".

[OTM Al]

Illuminati!?!?!

Seriously.

You are kidding, right?
None of these things have anything to do with the others except for in some fun fantasy movies.

[Greyfox]

Illuminati!?!?!

Seriously.

You are kidding, right?
None of these things have anything to do with the others except for in some fun fantasy movies.

From Wikipedia:

The Illuminati is the name used for several groups, real and fictitious. Most commonly it refers specifically to the Bavarian Illuminati, an Enlightenment (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Age_of_Enlightenment)secret society (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secret_society) founded in the late eighteenth century. However, nowadays it refers to a purported shadowy conspiratorial organization which is reputed to secretly control world affairs, usually a modern incarnation or continuation of the Bavarian Illuminati. In this context, Illuminati is often used in reference to a New World Order (NWO) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_World_Order_%28conspiracy%29). Many Conspiracy theorists (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conspiracy_theorist) believe the Illuminati (The People of The Light), or illuminated ones, are the masterminds behind events that will lead to a New World Order.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illuminati (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illuminati)


Is it for real? I wouldn't know. I'm not part of any secret societies.
From Conspiracyarchive.com

"Jacob Rothschild, the current head of the Rothschild dynasty, has intermarried with Jacob Rothschild, the current head of the Rothschild dynasty, has intermarried with the Sinclair family, forging an important alliance between the head family of the Illuminati, and the supposed descendants of the Grail family.the Sinclair family, forging an important alliance between the head family of the Illuminati, and the supposed descendants of the Grail family."
http://www.conspiracyarchive.com/

[Tom]

Here's a scary thought - our presidential families since Regan left office....
Bush-Clinton-Clinton-Bush-Bush-Clinton-Clinton! :eek::eek::eek:

[GaryG]

Glad to see you folks starting to "get it".Does this post have a purpose, or is it just to say "I'm here?" Which folks getting what? Literati? NWO? :confused: :confused:

[PaceAdvantage]

Conspiracy theorists have "linked" Bush's Skull and Bones organization to the NWO through an int'l cartel called the Illuminati.

Kerry was Skull and Bones as well....I guess it's like they say...doesn't matter who you vote for, you get the same shit in the end....

[PaceAdvantage]

Glad to see you folks starting to "get it".

Silly boy.

[ljb]

Does this post have a purpose, or is it just to say "I'm here?" Which folks getting what? Literati? NWO? :confused: :confused:
Apparently you and PA still don't "get it".

[boxcar]

That's not the only reason. The argument is also made that without the help of society vast wealth would not be possible. So society is responsible for and makes possible the accumulation of wealth. Therefore, upon death, some of that wealth (not all) should be returned to society.

Hear! Hear! Spoken like a true card-carryin' Commie! We owe , our allegiance, our existence, our happiness, our wealth, our health -- yea...even our very existence to the state ("society"). What a load of bull!

Boxcar

[PaceAdvantage]

Apparently you and PA still don't "get it".

Oh, I get it all...

[Greyfox]

Glad to see you folks starting to "get it".
??? What is the "it" that we're starting to get?

[OTM Al]

You get an F in college for citing wikipedia. It's not a real reference, just user supplied info with no fact checking whatsoever. Like I said, this stuff makes for fun adventure novels, but no more. There's a lot out there on the web too that says if i send some money to some guy in Nigeria I can cash in on a million dollar fortune. Don't believe that one either.....

[boxcar]

By the way, why on earth would Capitalists want a unified world government? They already control the best parts and bringing in billions of poor people would be counter productive. Being a dedicated Capitalist myself, I certainly don't want to see political power (numbers always matter in politics) or wealth spread any further than it is right now.

The Ruling Class in an oppressive society are just as staunch capitalists as the little entrepreneur in a democratic one. Don't believe me? Go to China.

Boxcar

[ljb]

The Ruling Class in an oppressive society are just as staunch capitalists as the little entrepreneur in a democratic one. Don't believe me? Go to China.

Boxcar
See Boxy gets it.

[chickenhead]

There's a lot out there on the web too that says if i send some money to some guy in Nigeria I can cash in on a million dollar fortune. Don't believe that one either.....

shit! I gotta go call the bank...

[ljb]

shit! I gotta go call the bank...
:lol:

[davew]

pres Briben says AMERICA IS BACK giving things away to the world

[fast4522]

Here's a scary thought - our presidential families since Regan left office....
Bush-Clinton-Clinton-Bush-Bush-Clinton-Clinton! :eek::eek::eek:

Donald J. Trump sure screwed that up royally, I favor seeing Europe burn to the ground before I see a One World Government.

[Actor]

I favor seeing Europe burn to the ground before I see a One World Government.You will get your wish if you live long enough. How many governments have nukes now? U.S.A., England, France, Russia, China, N. Korea, Israel, India, South Africa. Maybe more. Soon Iran will have one. Sooner or later someone will use one and this will escalate into a war that will wipe out the human race.

[davew]

You will get your wish if you live long enough. How many governments have nukes now? U.S.A., England, France, Russia, China, N. Korea, Israel, India, South Africa. Maybe more. Soon Iran will have one. Sooner or later someone will use one and this will escalate into a war that will wipe out the human race.

COME ON MAN, it will be climate change that causes everyone to burn

[fast4522]

You will get your wish if you live long enough. How many governments have nukes now? U.S.A., England, France, Russia, China, N. Korea, Israel, India, South Africa. Maybe more. Soon Iran will have one. Sooner or later someone will use one and this will escalate into a war that will wipe out the human race.

When that happens you and the rest of the world will see our new technology in action. The problem will be it will kill those who tried to be the worlds idiot in big numbers.

[Actor]

COME ON MAN, it will be climate change that causes everyone to burnPossibly. However I think it will be food and water shortages that will reduce world population. We are currently in a quite severe drought and water levels are dropping. I don't mean sea levels but the lower levels in Lake Mead, the Great Plains aquifer, and similar depletions world wide.

[Actor]

When that happens you and the rest of the world will see our new technology in action.What technology is that?

[fast4522]

The kind that can detonate warheads where they sit without anyone knowing how or who.

[Tom]

You get an F in college for citing wikipedia. It's not a real reference, just user supplied info with no fact checking whatsoever.

Oh, like CNN!

[ReplayRandall]

Oh, like CNN!Funny stuff Tom, going into a 14 year time warp of conversation that may come back to life if OTM AL responds....:pound: