That Hugo Chavez....what a guy....

[PaceAdvantage]

Anyone else who stands beside this guy not only ought to be ashamed of themselves, they ought to be blacklisted just like the good ol' days....:lol:


Chavez closes opposition TV station; thousands protest


CARACAS, Venezuela (CNN) -- Venezuela's most-watched television station -- and outlet for the political opposition -- went off the air after the government refused to renew its broadcast license.

RCTV, which has been broadcasting for 53 years, was replaced by a state-run station -- TVes -- on Monday. The new station's logo began running immediately after RCTV went off the air.

http://edition.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/americas/05/28/venezuela.protest/

[PaceAdvantage]

Let's remind some folks:

http://www.news.com.au/common/imagedata/0,,5253273,00.jpg

[PaceAdvantage]

Hey, Glover is in GOOD company:

http://www.newprophecy.net/Venezuelan_President_Hugo_Chavez_greets__Iranian_P resident_Mahmoud_Ahmadinejad.jpg

[PaceAdvantage]

Notice a trend here?

http://www.globalsecurity.org/intell/ops/images/chavez_and_fidel.jpg

[PaceAdvantage]

You didn't think I'd forget ol' Harry?


http://msnbcmedia4.msn.com/j/msnbc/Components/Photos/060108/060108_belafonte_hmed_6p.hmedium.jpg

[PaceAdvantage]

Excuse me while I puke:

http://www.laughatliberals.com/blog/wp-images/sheehan_chavez.jpg

[PaceAdvantage]

They say Jimmy was the worst, and now I understand why:

http://www.moonbattery.com/archives/jimmy-carter-hugo-chavez.jpg

[PaceAdvantage]

These guys just can't keep their hands off each other:

http://www.theodoresworld.net/pics/0107/chevezandalman.jpg

[PaceAdvantage]

Do not, for a moment, trust this guy on the left:

http://www.russiablog.org/putin-chavez.jpg

[PaceAdvantage]

This was so sickening, I had to post it twice:

http://www.rightwinged.com/images/photoshops/sheevez.jpg

[PaceAdvantage]

This concludes my first installment of "Enemies of the United States"

[bigmack]

http://i165.photobucket.com/albums/u70/macktime/55.jpg

[PaceAdvantage]

Nice find with the Saddam pic....

BTW, if ANYONE replies to this thread with that worn out photo of RUMMY meeting with SADDAM, I will open up my own brand of HUGO CHAVEZ WHOOP ASS on your post and DELETE it (much like your hero Hugo would...he's into that whole censorship thing don't you know).

This thread is about HUGO and the folks that like to meet with HIM.

You have been warned.

[lsbets]

What's frightening is all those on the left in this country who worship Chavez simply because Chavez hates Bush.

[ljb]

PA,
I feel your pain.

[boxcar]

This concludes my first installment of "Enemies of the United States"

And all these enemies -- down to the last one -- love Liberals.

This hearkens back to what I said last year about how Commies and Libs are, for all practical intent and purposes, soul mates. (Recall the anti-war protests last year headed up by a Commie organization?)

Boxcar

[DJofSD]

The Fairness doctine exported.

[dylbert]

Did anyone notice that Milka Duno, female driver from Venezuela, was driving Citgo car in yesterday's Indianapolis 500 race? Actually, I didn't until she CRASHED into wall. I guess Venezuelan's all turned off their one-channel television sets after that occured!

[boxcar]

BTW, there are liberal politicians in this country (you know -- the Land of the "FREE"...) who want increased regulation of the radio airwaves. They want to force radio stations to give equal time to liberal drivel in response to "attacks" by conservative talk show hosts. It's just not "fair", to their warped way of thinking, that conservative talk show hosts "own" the airwarves and that the public "deserves" to hear both sides of issues.

It just never occurred to these brain-dead numbskulls that in a free market place, the public decides which shows are popular. And the irrefutable fact of the matter is that liberal talk show hosts are essentially say-nothing, professional whiners with whom the public wants little or nothing to do. If Liberal Drivel is what the public wants to hear, there would be more liberal talk show hosts out there and they would be far more popular than they are now.

But just as Political Correctness is designed to shut down debate through dialogue and opposing ideas through intelligent discourse, I believe there will be serious attempts made by libs to have the government regulate such things in the name of "public interest" or for the "public welfare". It is, after all, the modus operandi of totalitarian states. Why do you think, for example, public schools continually take advantage of their bully pulpits by indoctrinating their young, captive (literally!) audiences? What are young kids going to do: Walk out in protest of their captors!?

We are living in "strange days"... and dangerous times.

Boxcar

[Tom]

This was so sickening, I had to post it twice:

http://www.rightwinged.com/images/photoshops/sheevez.jpg

And she bring back kisses from hugo for.......

[Tom]

And how can we forget......

[Tom]

Who apparently was given some cabinet post or something

[Tom]

And, this descendant of a nazi-sympathiseing bootlegger finds time to pump Chazez oil while not pumping liberal crude.....way to undermine your country, you POS traitor!

[Tom]

And who could his hero be? Inquring minds want to know.....

[wonatthewire1]

<<We are living in "strange days"... and dangerous times.

Boxcar>>>


And when haven't we lived in "strange days and dangerous times"?

Keep things in perspective & you won't have that much to worry about - 'cept if Hil gets in the WH - the only thing worse than that is if Venezuela invades the US of A - not likely. It is so interesting to see people get worked up over these two-bit dictators; what are you so afraid of?

Then don't buy their products and turn off the teevee - it'll be good for you.
:cool:

[boxcar]

<<We are living in "strange days"... and dangerous times.

Boxcar>>>


And when haven't we lived in "strange days and dangerous times"?

Keep things in perspective & you won't have that much to worry about - 'cept if Hil gets in the WH - the only thing worse than that is if Venezuela invades the US of A - not likely. It is so interesting to see people get worked up over these two-bit dictators; what are you so afraid of?

Then don't buy their products and turn off the teevee - it'll be good for you.
:cool:

'Tis true what you ask; however when in history have so many tyrants and thugs been bent on bearing nukes or other types of WMDs?

And you seem to forget that the world has seen many "two-bit" dictators but some of them proved to be something more than problematic. You see...the problem is that while we know they're two-bit, pathetic excuses for human beings -- they don't! And that makes them dangerous.

Hint: turning a blind eye to the harsh realities of this dark world isn't going to magically turn into a paradise .

Boxcar

[ljb]

I went to the gas station today and asked for $5.00 worth of gas.
The clerk farted and gave me a receipt. :D

[shanta]

I went to the gas station today and asked for $5.00 worth of gas.
The clerk farted and gave me a receipt. :D

:lol: :lol:

[bigmack]

They want to force radio stations to give equal time to liberal drivel in response to "attacks" by conservative talk show hosts. It's just not "fair", to their warped way of thinking, that conservative talk show hosts "own" the airwarves and that the public "deserves" to hear both sides of issues.
A neighbor woman, who is a devout lefty, knocked on my door yesterday as I was flying the American flag out front and asked if I would mind taking it down as she had guests from Northern California in town and felt that by flying the flag I was being "pro war". I couldn't help but laugh. I think she got the hint that meant - NO.

I thought liberals were supposed to be liberal.

[Greyfox]

http://www.bumfonline.com/images/HugoFidel.jpg


Strange bed partners.

[kenwoodallpromos]

A neighbor woman, who is a devout lefty, knocked on my door yesterday as I was flying the American flag out front and asked if I would mind taking it down as she had guests from Northern California in town and felt that by flying the flag I was being "pro war". I couldn't help but laugh. I think she got the hint that meant - NO.

I thought liberals were supposed to be liberal.
__________________
They think if all our soldiers are killed for lack of support war will end- they do not know that if we run out of volunteers Conyers will come to draft THIER sons next!

[wonatthewire1]

<<'Tis true what you ask; however when in history have so many tyrants and thugs been bent on bearing nukes or other types of WMDs?>>

Well, nukes have only been around since '45...

As for thugs <> they've been around since the beginning of time, some are successful for a time (Napoleon, Attila, Hitler - you name it) and some not so long...

The long-bow was considered a WMD at one point in time as well.

We, as a country or a county based industry, arm many of these so called thugs too - therefore, some of your fear comes from the mirror or the people running your country. We could arm them for awhile, then decide that it doesn't suit our interests and go around the circle another time or two. As long as someone is making money, the two-bit dictators will have their time in the sun and their time in the darkest of dungeons.

And the last time there was a paradise was when Adam & Eve were in it, unless you're talking Tahiti. Harsh realities are what you make of it...therefore my question below.

What are you, personally, so afraid of on a day-to-day basis? It could be polytrack ;)

[wonatthewire1]

http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/external/5000/2007/05/e7/original_e72856aee0809ed4ca8ada719807a5f0.jpg

[Greyfox]

http://huffandblow.com/images/fidel-castro-hugo-chavez.jpg

I have proof.;)

[boxcar]

<<'Tis true what you ask; however when in history have so many tyrants and thugs been bent on bearing nukes or other types of WMDs?>>

Well, nukes have only been around since '45...

Your point being? They'll never get used again, perhaps?

As for thugs <> they've been around since the beginning of time, some are successful for a time (Napoleon, Attila, Hitler - you name it) and some not so long...

Again, point being? Did these thugs just quietly walk off the world's stage or did they need a "gentle assist"?

The long-bow was considered a WMD at one point in time as well.

Yeah, and I bet before that Goliath thought the slingshot was, also, just before he bit the dust. But now...for those of us who recognize what these harsh realities of life are, we know better, don't we?

We, as a country or a county based industry, arm many of these so called thugs too - therefore, some of your fear comes from the mirror or the people running your country. We could arm them for awhile, then decide that it doesn't suit our interests and go around the circle another time or two. As long as someone is making money, the two-bit dictators will have their time in the sun and their time in the darkest of dungeons.

What makes you think I live in "fear"? To speak of reality, as rationale people know it, doesn't necessarily mean that I'm living in "mortal fear".

And the last time there was a paradise was when Adam & Eve were in it, unless you're talking Tahiti. Harsh realities are what you make of it...therefore my question below.

What are you, personally, so afraid of on a day-to-day basis? It could be polytrack ;)

Ahh...so, there is no reality? Just the illusion of it? Reality is all relative?
It sounds to me that up to your pretty feathers feathers in Denial because your head is so deeply buried in the sand. Far be it from me, therefore, to disturb your self-induced delusional state.

Boxcar

[JustRalph]

A neighbor woman, who is a devout lefty, knocked on my door yesterday as I was flying the American flag out front and asked if I would mind taking it down as she had guests from Northern California in town and felt that by flying the flag I was being "pro war". I couldn't help but laugh. I think she got the hint that meant - NO.

I thought liberals were supposed to be liberal.

You have got to be kidding? I don't know how, but I would have scared the living shit out of her. I would also buy camo curtains and start playing reveille every morning......... I forget.........you are in California right?

that would explain it..........

[Tom]

You won't believe this - some cretin burned a guy's flag right on the pole - right in the city! The guy is a WWII vet and has flown one since 1945. Then some low life comes along.......

There is a reward out for the identity of the slop. Not the arrest and conviction.....only the identity. Justice will sort itself out.

[wonatthewire1]

<<Ahh...so, there is no reality? Just the illusion of it? Reality is all relative?
It sounds to me that up to your pretty feathers feathers in Denial because your head is so deeply buried in the sand. Far be it from me, therefore, to disturb your self-induced delusional state.>>

That's cool Box...I'll let you worry about it (continually).

As for me, going to have some more fun <> a lot more 'interesting'.

;)

[ljb]

I have my flag proudly displayed, at half mast. I have never had any problems with neighbors concerning flying the flag. What sort of neighborhood do you live in Mack ?

[PaceAdvantage]

Y'all are hijacking my HUGO CHAVEZ thread.


I'm pulling a HUGO CHAVEZ on your collective asses and deleting all your posts that have nothing to do with CHAVEZ and those that love to VISIT with him and call him "friend"

If you have NOTHING to say about CHAVEZ and the FAR-LEFT LIBERALS (especially the Hollywood ones) who LOVE HIM, then, in the words of our beloved HCAP --> STFU!

[Greyfox]

Y'all are hijacking my HUGO CHAVEZ thread.


I'm pulling a HUGO CHAVEZ on your collective asses and deleting all your posts that have nothing to do with CHAVEZ and those that love to VISIT with him and call him "friend"
!

Promise? I also see a few more that have nothing to do with Chavez.

[DJofSD]

Mike,

DO IT! Don't threaten -- JUST DO IT

[hcap]

I guess then the so-called fair and balanced approach beloved by all is not applicable in certain cases?

For every Chavez loving lefty, there are dictator loving opportunistic govermental righties that line up to kiss their torturing freedom-quashing hideous butts. Particularly if they are sitting on oil, or on some strategic oasis.

Maybe the thread got off Chavez, but not off pandering to tyrants.

[PaceAdvantage]

I did do it. I deleted every non-Chavez reply that in my opinion was designed to take this thread off topic.

So there...how's it feel to be HUGO CHAVEZed?

PS. I also just won a nice win bet on CORINTHIAN in the Met Mile! If you don't believe me, check the Selections section.

[wonatthewire1]

http://tinyurl.com/33gy83

Nice one in the Met Mile

[dutchboy]

The Drudge website has a letter posted by Cindy Sheehan from her website. She has RESIGNED effective today.

[lsbets]

The Drudge website has a letter posted by Cindy Sheehan from her website. She has RESIGNED effective today.

If you recall, when she first came into the spotlight, I said that those who were embracing her would toss her aside as soon as she outlived her usefulness. Apparantly, she has realized this. I feel bad for her. A grieving mother was taken advantage of by the so called peace movement and once they didn't need her anymore, they left her all alone. Instead of helping her through her grief, they made it worse.

[PaceAdvantage]

Funny how that worked out, isn't it LS?

I'd really like to know who or what drove her into the arms of Hugo Chavez. Her brain was still functioning, was it not?

Do these Hugo sycophants THINK or do they just REACT --

"BUSH BAD + HUGO HATE BUSH = HUGO GOOD??????????"

[DJofSD]

Do these Hugo sycophants THINK or do they just REACT --

The hallmark of liberalism.

[Suff]

The hallmark of liberalism.

This thread. What a shame. And Lsbets taking a shot at Gold Star Mother :faint: and PA backing him up.

Nobody seems to understand what I am telling you misfits.



Anyway... Chavev did not close the TV station.

This station aired over 100 commercials per day for Triple XXX websites and Phone sex lines. Between 1am and 5 am it aired Full frontal adult pornography. On Public airwaves

When Venezuela's equivalent of the FCC fined them (652 times), they refused to pay the fines. They next refused to pay their taxes. The entire case went to the Venezuelan Supreme court. They ruled that the license should not be renewed.

3 other additional opposition stations with the same programming, changed it at Chavez's request ( to protect children) and they remain broadcasting.

Finally... The Station is not CLOSING.... THEY ARE MOVING TO CABLE AND SATELITE!!! Yea f'ng dopes.


I'd stand with Hugo Chavez before I stood with the group of Republican clowns that post on pace advantage.

And I most certainly stand with Chavez before I stood anywhere near my own President.


Most of you should be ashamed of yourselves.

[DJofSD]

Suff, it's been a while.

This used-to-be-a-Republican clown is not ashamed of anything. I'm interested to learn more because what you told us has the air of legitimancy about it. If you have a link to a non-US based news service with more details, please post. In the meantime, I'll look on my own.

[chickenhead]

This station aired over 100 commercials per day for Triple XXX websites and Phone sex lines. Between 1am and 5 am it aired Full frontal adult pornography. On Public airwaves.

This explains all the young men rioting :D

[lsbets]

Suff, how did I take a shot at Cindy by pointing out what lowlife opportunists you align yourself with? Never mind, the truth doesn't matter, you just want to rant.

Stand by Chavez. Now that's funny. I enjoy the false bravado Suff, keep the laughs coming.

[Suff]

Suff, it's been a while.

This used-to-be-a-Republican clown is not ashamed of anything. I'm interested to learn more because what you told us has the air of legitimancy about it. If you have a link to a non-US based news service with more details, please post. In the meantime, I'll look on my own.

There are many ways to sift through propaganda. IN this paticular case I went to Google Venezuala. Then I went preferences and changed my language to Elmer Fudd. Dozens of english links come back.

http://www.pej.org/html/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=6780&mode=thread&order=0&thold=0

http://www.dailyscare.com/1410/venezuelas-rctv-sine-die-and-good-riddance

[bigmack]

This thread. What a shame.
An undisguised brash move at the closure of a critical medium of Hugo and you're all in favor? Somehow I doubt the voracity of your own position though realize that some live their lives being contrarians just for the sake of stirring the pot.

It's less than inventive to A/B Hugo with W. Let them both stand on their own merits and fall as the fools they've each become

[DJofSD]

Suff, I found some older information from traditional US based news sources. I'm getting a slightly different perspective. For example, from the Washington Post online. (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/01/17/AR2007011702003.html)

[PaceAdvantage]

I'd stand with Hugo Chavez....


Why am I not surprised?

[boxcar]

I'd stand with Hugo Chavez before I stood with the group of Republican clowns that post on pace advantage.

No new or remarkable revelation here. Aren't flies attracted to excrement?

Boxcar

[Lefty]

Saddam, Fidel and now Hugo all great guys smeared by the right. LOL

[Lefty]

BTW, suff, Chavez gave none of the reasons you cited to shut the station dn. He just couyldn't stand a dissenting opinion, much like libs with the socalled
"fairness doctrine."

[DJofSD]

Lefty, I think you're correct. I'm waiting for a friend to get back to me about this video. (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8187459075291793700) Not a fluent speaker of spanish, I get the drift that, yes, Chavez doesn't play nicely. About half way into the video, there is a comparison of Chavez to Joe McCarthy.

[Greyfox]

There are many ways to sift through propaganda. http://www.pej.org/html/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=6780&mode=thread&order=0&thold=0



Who's propagandizing?
The prime source cited for material in the above link is James Suggett .
He's described at the bottom of the article as a "collaborator" with the Venezuelan Government.
In effect, he's a "shill" for Chavez.
Do you have any independent credible sources substantiating Mr. Suggett's views, which from afar look like "fiction."

[bigmack]

It's now obvious that Hugo overstepped his bounds. Watch him try to change the constitution to elongate his length of rule.

God Bless the the intl press that show the local take of "bullshit" that they're unwilling to partake as this megalomaniac high steps towards a regime he'll never achieve. The 50's endured Fidel - The 00's will never stand for a Hugo.

"Viva la news coverage"

[hcap]

Since I and others were not allowed to post anything counter to the assumption that the left ONLY colludes with dictators, my point being that Chavez was not nearly 1/5th the evil dictator, compared to those asshole tyrants the administration supports.

Well it really should be 1/10th the evilness.

http://www.commondreams.org/archive/2007/05/30/1534/

Would a network that aided and abetted a coup against the government be allowed to operate in the United States? The U.S. government probably would have shut down RCTV within five minutes after a failed coup attempt — and thrown its owners in jail. Chavez’s government allowed it to continue operating for five years, and then declined to renew its 20-year license to use the public airwaves. It can still broadcast on cable or via satellite dish.

[lsbets]

Ah, justifying the actions of a dictator because he hates Bush. Rooting for mass civilian casualties in Venezuela Hcap?

[hcap]

You just can't seem to hold a rational conversation anymore.
I guess my AMATEUR psychological analysis was right on. The Lancet Study must really bother you. Why not respond to the charges brought up in the article I posted re:sedition?

The so-called dictator refuses to renew a license, but still allows broadcast on cable or via satellite dish. Is this guy really as bad as the one Condi was photographed with? The one that tortures and likes canabilism?

[lsbets]

Didn't read the article you linked to. Your history of linking to fiction is more than enough to keep me from wasting time on anymore of your links.

But, lets look at your logic. Condi gets her picture taken next to a dictator (since I didn't read the article, I don't know who you are talking about or under what circumstances). That makes it okay to stifle freedom of speech? Chevez hates Bush, so he is a "so called" dictator rather than an actual one? Did the TV station call for people to join in the coup or did it report on what was happenning and not repeat the propoganda that Chevaz wanted broadcast? How about Chavez's threats against the one station left that voices opinions contary to what he wants to hear? Oh, but they are on cable and satelite. I'm sure all those wealthy Venezuelan peasants will be pointing thei dishes to the sky to tune in.

Seriously, your hangup about Bush has made you go completely nuts. Rooting for civilian deaths, supporting the squashing of free speech. Hey, maybe you could start a Kim Jong Il fanclub, he doesn't like Bush much either. Or how about Putin, he dresses better than Kim.

Rational conversation? With you? That's impossible, I can't draw cartoons.

[hcap]

From the articleAfter military rebels overthrew Chavez and he disappeared from public view for two days, RCTV’s biased coverage edged fully into sedition. Thousands of Chavez supporters took to the streets to demand his return, but none of that appeared on RCTV or other television stations. RCTV News Director Andres Izarra later testified at National Assembly hearings on the coup attempt that he received an order from superiors at the station: “Zero pro-Chavez, nothing related to Chavez or his supporters…. The idea was to create a climate of transition and to start to promote the dawn of a new country.” While the streets of Caracas burned with rage, RCTV ran cartoons, soap operas and old movies such as “Pretty Woman.” On April 13, 2002, Granier and other media moguls met in the Miraflores palace to pledge support to the country’s coup-installed dictator, Pedro Carmona, who had eliminated the Supreme Court, the National Assembly and the Constitution.Meanwhile during the attempted coup Chavez was supported broadly by the Venezuelan people and later overwhelmingly re-elected.

Condi gets her picture taken next to a dictator (since I didn't read the article, I don't know who you are talking about or under what circumstances).That's because Pa pulled all my counter arguments to the premise that the left ONLY supports dictators. Seriously Chavez is no where close to some of the guys we dance with.

Read the article. I am curious to see what level of support Chavez has after the protests end. It has been very high all along by the people. He is despite the picture you try to paint very popular.

I doubt we can say the same for Condi's guy
"Rooting for civilian deaths"? You are persistent aren't you
Sorry about the Lancet. We report, you decide.

[DJofSD]

Isbets, the argument that hcap is putting forth is know as guilt by association. Condi performs her duties during a state visit to our country but because the visitor is a known dictator, two steps away from being a savage in the jungle, she and the entire Bush administration are guilty of the same sins.

[The Judge]

Isn't free anywhere in the world! What about the United States well you can say what you want as long as you don't mind the government secretly tapping your phone and tracking your calls and e-mails. Not suspected enemies of the state, no just plain everyday Ma and Pa citizens.

I know alot of you don't mind this and you think its just fine for the government to listen in on conversations between a lawyer and his client, its just that no American thought that way until the last 7 years. What where these liberal commie nuts thinking of from 1776 until 2001? What a bunch of chumps they must have all been.

[46zilzal]

I know alot of you don't mind this and you think its just fine for the government to listen in on conversations between a lawyer and his client, its just that no American thought that way until the last 7 years. What where these liberal commie nuts thinking of from 1776 until 2001? What a bunch of chumps they must have all been.
liberal commie nuts?....Is that what you called the nuts in power taling away all these rights. Check your facts.

[betchatoo]

46: you need to read better. He was agreeing with you

[46zilzal]

46: you need to read better. He was agreeing with you
parody does not transfer well without voice inflection, never has.

[The Judge]

You need to re-read my post in the spirit in which it was written ,I sure you can appreciate a little sarcasm when you read it.

[Greyfox]

Whether you like Chavez or not he certainly has had an interesting history.
From what little I've read about the man, he seems to feel that the current
U.S. Administration led by GW was behind the attempt to overthrow his government in 2002. So, he hates the current U.S. administration.

He seems to have contempt for capitalism. He does not seem to have contempt for U.S. citizens "per se."

Having said that, Chavez has tried to improve the lives of "the poor" both in his country and around the world. Even in the United States, he has offered subsidized heating fuel for lower income families.
Even that act of generosity has been met with suspicion with the act viewed by some as a "Trojan Horse" to destroy the U.S. oil economy.
See http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1157172,00.html
and http://www.usatoday.com/money/industries/energy/2006-01-11-citgo-cover-usat_x.htm

He may not be my cup of tea, but he may not be as bad as some are depicting him to be on this board.

From Wikipedia:

Subsidizing heating fuel for the poor in the U.S.
In 2005 President Chávez initiated a program to provide cheaper heating fuel for low income families in several areas of the United States. The program was expanded in September 2006 to include four of New York City (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York_City)'s five boroughs, earmarking 25 million gallons of fuel for low-income New York residents this year at 40% off the wholesale market price. That quantity provides sufficient fuel to heat 70,000 apartments, covering 200,000 New Yorkers, for the entire winter. It has also been reported that Chávez is sending heating oil to poor, remote villages in Alaska. Some have questioned the motives of this generosity. Conservative legislative leaders in Maine have asked that state's governor to refuse the subsidized oil,[86] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hugo_Ch%C3%A1vez#_note-56) and New York Daily News (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York_Daily_News) criticized his offer by calling him an "oil pimp".[87] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hugo_Ch%C3%A1vez#_note-57)

[Lefty]

"he seems to have contempt for Capitalism"
Hmmm. Guess that's why some on this board are defending him. Common interests...

[Greyfox]

"he seems to have contempt for Capitalism"
Hmmm. Guess that's why some on this board are defending him. Common interests...

Yes. You're probably right. And by the same logic it may well be that some who have shares in oil companies are writing against him.

Me? I don't have shares and I don't like dictators.

[PaceAdvantage]

Since I and others were not allowed to post anything counter to the assumption that the left ONLY colludes with dictators...

NOPE, that's not it. Stop putting words in my mouth. This thread is not about multiple DICTATORS, it's about ONE DICTATOR, and that's Chavez. And yes, it appears that ONLY THE LEFT colludes with CHAVEZ.

That's the point of this thread. If you have an example of someone on the RIGHT colluding with CHAVEZ, by all means, POST AWAY!

That's what's called KEEPING ON TOPIC.

[hcap]

More on the exaggeration.

http://www.commondreams.org/archive/2007/06/01/1607/

[bigmack]

More on the exaggeration.

http://www.commondreams.org/archive/2007/06/01/1607/
http://i165.photobucket.com/albums/u70/macktime/6_2_07_03_13_03.jpg
:lol::lol::lol::lol:

Holy Catfish hcap, your level of taking the bait from your ilk is astounding. Where do these people dream up these arguments - Havana?

[Tom]

psssst


It's perch, not catfish. ;)

[GaryG]

I am convinced these guys really get their news from the Daily Worker, the Village Voice and the Berkeley Barb. Posting crap like this erodes their credibilty even more (if that is possible).

[Greyfox]

That's the point of this thread. If you have an example of someone on the RIGHT colluding with CHAVEZ, by all means, POST AWAY!

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Seek and ye will find.
I don't think that anyone could be farther right than Ahmadinejad.
Birds of a feather, flock together?
For them is it really about left or right.
Or is it about "control?" and oil? or simply hating us?

http://www.indiadaily.com/editorial/12222.asp

"President Hugo Chavez and Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad pledged mutual support at a meeting July 29 in Tehran, Iran. Chavez said that Venezuela will "stay by Iran at any time and under any condition," Iranian state television reported."

[PaceAdvantage]

Of course that's not the meaning of the word Right that *I* was thinking of when I wrote that reply.

I was referring to any well known US Citizen who might commonly be referred to as anywhere "right of center." You know, a Republican or something along those lines....not the President of Iran (who some former hostages maintain had direct involvement in the Iran Hostage crisis of 1979).

[Greyfox]

Of course that's not the meaning of the word Right that *I* was thinking of when I wrote that reply.

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Right.

[hcap]

Some previous comments.

1-Let's remind some folks: Danny Glover shown with Chavez
2-You didn't think I'd forget ol' Harry? Harry Belefonte shown with Chavez
3-Excuse me while I puke:Cindy Sheehan shown with Chavez
4-They say Jimmy was the worst, and now I understand why:Jimmy Carter shown with Chavez

All by Pa and this by Pa
BTW, if ANYONE replies to this thread with that worn out photo of RUMMY meeting with SADDAM, I will open up my own brand of HUGO CHAVEZ WHOOP ASS on your post and DELETE it (much like your hero Hugo would...he's into that whole censorship thing don't you know).

This thread is about HUGO and the folks that like to meet with HIM.

You have been warned.
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/2007/03/14/2007-03-14_giuliani_firm_on_payroll_of_prez_chavez_.html

Giuliani firm on payroll of Prez Chavez oil company

Wednesday, March 14th 2007, 4:00 AM

Rudy Giuliani's law firm lobbies for Citgo Petroleum Corp., a unit of the state-owned oil company controlled by Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez, who calls President Bush a "madman" and a "devil."

Bracewell & Giuliani registered to lobby for Citgo in Texas on April 26, 2005, less than a month after Giuliani joined the firm and became a name partner, state records show.

http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/03/15/giuliani.chavez/index.html

But there is a link between the two, according to the Texas Ethics Commission. Giuliani's law firm, Bracewell and Giuliani, is making money by lobbying American lawmakers on behalf of Citgo Petroleum Corp. of Houston. Citgo is the American subsidiary of Petroleos de Venezuela -- the state-owned Venezuelan oil company.

Bracewell and Giuliani made as much as $150,000 from the lobbying in 2005-06 and will make up to $100,000 this year, according to the ethics commission.


I doubt if Glover, Sheehan Belefonte or Carter are on the payroll.

Of course when it comes to cash, repugs can do no wrong :bang:

[DrugS]

Nice find with the Saddam pic....

BTW, if ANYONE replies to this thread with that worn out photo of RUMMY meeting with SADDAM, I will open up my own brand of HUGO CHAVEZ WHOOP ASS on your post and DELETE it (much like your hero Hugo would...he's into that whole censorship thing don't you know).

This thread is about HUGO and the folks that like to meet with HIM.

You have been warned.

http://a202.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/18/l_24d15ba7a7b479607837dce06a3237a1.jpg

[DJofSD]

Rudy Giuliani's law firm lobbies for Citgo Petroleum Corp., a unit of the state-owned oil company controlled by Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez, who calls President Bush a "madman" and a "devil."

And who does the former Sec of State under Clinton lobby for?

[Tom]

Hugo "paces" himself, huh Drugs? ;):lol:

[lsbets]

I doubt if Glover, Sheehan Belefonte or Carter are on the payroll.

You might want to check on Glover and the deal he is rumored to have signed to do propoganda films for Chavez.

[DrugS]

Hugo "paces" himself, huh Drugs? ;):lol:

He's obviously a big fan.

Who can blame him?

[Lefty]

Glover got anywhere from 18-30 mil for those films, according to various reports. Glover embraces Chavez and calls Bush a terrorist. Let him become a citizen of Venezuella and then call Chavez names and he'll quickly "get it."

[PaceAdvantage]

I doubt if Glover, Sheehan Belefonte or Carter are on the payroll.

Of course when it comes to cash, repugs can do no wrong :bang:

Do you not read? Giuliani never met with Chavez, now did he? Did he have photo ops? Did he hug the guy?

Good for Rudy that he's making money off that two-bit dictator and freedom of speech squasher. At least he has an excuse. What was Sheehan's or Belefonte's or Carter's?

Last I checked, CITGO is a legal business here in the USA. When the US Government puts CITGO on the embargo list, you let me know....

Ladies and gentlemen of the jury, I rest my case.

[hcap]

You did sayBTW, if ANYONE replies to this thread with that worn out photo of RUMMY meeting with SADDAM, I will open up my own brand of HUGO CHAVEZ WHOOP ASS on your post and DELETE it (much like your hero Hugo would...he's into that whole censorship thing don't you know).

This thread is about HUGO and the folks that like to meet with HIM.

You have been warned.So I violated the letter of the law. The folks who MEET with him. Not the folks on his payroll. Ahem, the spirit of the law is not violated, and the fact remains rudy has not apologized for his business connections--well documented.

You know this is the first time that I recall you have used your administrative authority to limit the discussion to points of view opposed to yours. Usually threads meander all over the place. Many times diverging MUCH more afield than me pointing out counter arguments here. But hey it is your sandbox. Only problem is your sandcastles are not secure enough to support a wider view.

[Tom]

I don't buy Citgo.
I'm cutting edge. ;)

[DJofSD]

I don't buy Citgo.
I'm cutting edge.

Neither do I - I'm bleeding edge since I've refused to put even a fraction of a cent into that dictators pocket for years now.

Sorry Mike, they might be a company with a legal basis to operate in this country but the last time I checked, I still have a choice. And my choice does not include tin pot dictators.

[PaceAdvantage]

You did saySo I violated the letter of the law. The folks who MEET with him. Not the folks on his payroll. Ahem, the spirit of the law is not violated, and the fact remains rudy has not apologized for his business connections--well documented.

You did not "violate any law" with your last post concerning Rudy and Chavez. This thread is about Chavez, so why wouldn't your Rudy post be applicable?

Now, the other posts referencing US officials meeting with other so-called "dictators" aren't welcome in this thread because they only serve to take it off topic.

I'm also using this thread as a bit of an example of how Chavez plays the game of censorship.

[PaceAdvantage]

Sorry Mike, they might be a company with a legal basis to operate in this country but the last time I checked, I still have a choice. And my choice does not include tin pot dictators.

I agree 100%. I have never purchased gas from any of the many Citgo stations in my area.

[Greyfox]

I'm also using this thread as a bit of an example of how Chavez plays the game of censorship.

So you're "role playing." To do so, there must be a side of your mind which is capable of thinking "just like Chavez does."
Beware the pitfalls of becoming "stuck" in the role.
I once knew a man who feigned mental illness to be sent home from war.
When he got home he couldn't get back to self.

By the way, earlier you mentioned an interest of knowing who wants to meet with Chavez. Turns out these people do. But likely not to shake hands.

http://ianasagasti.blogs.com/mi_blog/images/opositores_a_chavez_6.jpg

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