Class order

[raybo]

Does anyone have a list of classes in order? Including the nw's, optionals, etc?

[alysheba88]

In order of what? If I understand your question it can really vary from track to track- ie; when looking at various allowance classes compared to claiming

[raybo]

In order of what? If I understand your question it can really vary from track to track- ie; when looking at various allowance classes compared to claiming

Yeah, I know that these things vary from track to track. I'm not too interested in comparing alw to clm just yet. Just wanting something to get me started, then I will adjust more finely. I could find this info myself, but if someone already has them listed in order it would save me some time initially. Particularly interested in how the nw's line up.

I play HOU, LS, TUP, etc., mostly middle of the road tracks and mostly claiming races in the lower price ranges. In other words, cheaper animals that have more volatile form cycles and more separation in ratings.

I don't play larger tracks or higher priced animals, too many good ones in there and too hard to separate them.

[jotb]

Does anyone have a list of classes in order? Including the nw's, optionals, etc?


Your best bet would be to go to each track that you are looking for and then copy the index in the condition book. It would not be in perfect order but you will have all the conditions run at that specific track.

Joe

[GaryG]

Here is how I do it: I make speed figures for every track that I am following, usually 2 or maybe 3. From the figures you can see the cross over point between claiming and the various allowance levels. This way you know for sure which ones are dropping in class. I don't know of any other way, as all tracks are different. Especially the smaller ones. If you don't want to fool with figures just keep a log of final times for the various classes. Or,if you use the form SR + TV. Good luck.

[JustMissed]

Raybo,

After reading this post you made from the other day, I am surprised you didn't already know everything there is to know about class level?

[Quote from Raybo post]Not trying to offend anyone here with my post, but I did post the screenshot of my AmericaTab record in a previous thread, showing $400 turn into $7700 in about 4 months time, not with win bets however. I don't really care what you guys are doing but I would like to see the superfecta pools get even better, thus part of my reasoning for advocating exotics over WPS wagering.
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[raybo]

[QUOTE=JustMissed]Raybo,

After reading this post you made from the other day, I am surprised you didn't already know everything there is to know about class level?

[Quote from Raybo post]Not trying to offend anyone here with my post, but I did post the screenshot of my AmericaTab record in a previous thread, showing $400 turn into $7700 in about 4 months time, not with win bets however. I don't really care what you guys are doing but I would like to see the superfecta pools get even better, thus part of my reasoning for advocating exotics over WPS wagering.[End Quote].

Do I note a touch of sarcasm in your post? :rolleyes: :p The previous thread included wagers at LS, Hou, and TUP. I am now venturing into more holding tracks where class plays a larger part in the handicapping. I had a rudimentary class structure previously, but need to refine that for these new tracks. I never said I had everything figured out, no one does. There is always room for improvement and it's an ongoing task.

[raybo]

Here is how I do it: I make speed figures for every track that I am following, usually 2 or maybe 3. From the figures you can see the cross over point between claiming and the various allowance levels. This way you know for sure which ones are dropping in class. I don't know of any other way, as all tracks are different. Especially the smaller ones. If you don't want to fool with figures just keep a log of final times for the various classes. Or,if you use the form SR + TV. Good luck.

How about using speed pars as a guage for determining class? Brisnet has them available in all their data files, even the cheap $1 DRF Single/Multiple File Formats. Do you think that, by now, with all the data in their DB they would have a pretty good grip on class levels at every track in the US? I'm not interested in the accuracy of the pars themselves, only the relationship they represent between class levels.

[Tom]

Before you use BRIS pars for anything,, I suggest - strongly - you do some research into them. Last I looked, they were not track/class generated, but nationally based on purse values. This was a while ago, worth verifying.
A quick wqay to do this is look at a few cards and se how many horses in the PPs can meet the "par." Or better yet, compare some tracks to each other.

[sjk]

Lets see if I can attach this:

TRACK alw class a par
LS GR1 107.21
LS GR2 104.21
LS GR3 102.21
LS HCP 100.21
LS STK 100.21
LS NW23MX 93.92
LS NW26MX 93.87
LS NW29MX 93.02
LS NW2$6MX 92.32
LS C50000 92.28
LS NW2$3MX 91.91
LS C47500 91.78
LS C45000 91.28
LS R60000NW1$3MX 91.27
LS NW1$3MX 91.27
LS NW1$6MX 91.12
LS NW1$R3MX 90.73
LS NW2$R3MX 90.68
LS NW1$Y X 90.62
LS NW2Y X 90.62
LS NW1T6MX 90.52
LS NW1R3MX 90.52
LS NW1S 6M 90.49
LS NW3$9MX 90.29
LS C40000 90.28
LS NW13MX 90.26
LS NW1R 6MX 90.16
LS NW1$6M 90.12
LS NW16MX 90.06
LS R60000NW1$6M 90.05
LS NW13M 90.05
LS NWY 90.00
LS NW26M 90.00
LS NW1L X 89.83
LS NW1 89.83
LS NW3$R9MX 89.73
LS NW3Y+X 89.73
LS NW3$Y X 89.73
LS NW2RY X 89.73
LS NZ 89.73
LS NW2T3MX 89.73
LS NW2T6MX 89.72
LS NW4L 89.70
LS NW2$9MX 89.68
LS OC 89.63
LS NW1Y X 89.62
LS NW2R6MX 89.46
LS NW3L X 89.44
LS R45000NW3X 89.43
LS NW3$X 89.43
LS NW3X 89.43
LS NW2R3MX 89.38
LS NW2R 3MX 89.38
LS NW2R X 89.38
LS C35000 89.22
LS C30000 88.89
LS C33000 88.62
LS C31000 88.20
LS NW1$9MX 87.42
LS NW2L X 86.44
LS R35000NW2X 86.43
LS NW2X 86.43
LS NW3 86.43
LS NW3L 86.43
LS C25000 85.89
LS C23000 85.18
LS SHP18000 84.47
LS C21000 84.30
LS NW1X 84.26
LS NW2 84.26
LS NW2L 84.26
LS R20000NW1X 84.25
LS C20000 83.89
LS C19000 83.52
LS C18000 83.20
LS C17500 82.89
LS STARTER 82.68
LS STR10000 82.68
LS C15000 81.89
LS C14000 81.19
LS C13500 80.89
LS C13000 80.20
LS C12500 79.89
LS R30000NW3L 77.94
LS C10000 76.89
LS C9500 76.55
LS R25000NW3L 76.33
LS C9000 76.20
LS C8000 75.89
LS R21000NW3L 75.72
LS R10000NWY 75.68
LS C7500 75.61
LS R35000NW2L 75.40
LS R20000NW3L 75.39
LS C7000 75.20
LS R17500NW3L 74.94
LS R33000NW2L 74.85
LS C6500 74.73
LS R31000NW2L 74.45
LS R30000NW2L 74.29
LS C6250 73.89
LS R15000NW3L 73.09
LS M 72.43
LS R17500 72.17
LS R12500NW3L 71.94
LS R25000NW2L 71.29
LS R12500NWL3 71.17
LS MC50000 71.14
LS C5000 70.89
LS MC47500 70.38
LS R20000NW2L 70.30
LS R4000NW13M 70.21
LS R12500 70.17
LS R19000NW2L 69.70
LS MC45000 69.62
LS R18000NW2L 69.30
LS R17500NW2L 69.29
LS R9500NW3L 69.27
LS R10000NW3L 68.94
LS R9000NW3L 68.59
LS MC40000 68.56
LS C4000 68.41
LS R12500NW2L 68.29
LS R5000NW26M 67.96
LS R4000NW1R 6M 67.50
LS R5000NW1R 6M 67.46
LS R4000NW16M 67.46
LS C3100 67.41
LS MC30000 66.58
LS R15000NW2L 66.29
LS MC27500 65.56
LS R5000NW1R6M 65.50
LS R5000NWY 65.50
LS R10000NW2L 65.29
LS MC25000 64.58
LS MC23000 64.15
LS MC21000 63.87
LS R5000NW16M 63.87
LS R9500NW2L 63.82
LS MC20000 63.40
LS R9000NW2L 63.30
LS MC19000 63.13
LS MC18000 62.93
LS MC17500 62.58
LS R7500NW2L 61.79
LS MC15000 60.58
LS MC12500 57.58
LS MC10000 54.58
LS M7500 51.58
LS MC7500 51.58

I have over 11k pars and do not need great precision for my purposes so there are probably items that could be disputed. Might get you in the ballpark.

[raybo]

Lets see if I can attach this:

TRACK alw class a par
LS GR1 107.21
LS GR2 104.21
LS GR3 102.21
LS HCP 100.21
LS STK 100.21
LS NW23MX 93.92
LS NW26MX 93.87
LS NW29MX 93.02
LS NW2$6MX 92.32
LS C50000 92.28
LS NW2$3MX 91.91
LS C47500 91.78
LS C45000 91.28
LS R60000NW1$3MX 91.27
LS NW1$3MX 91.27
LS NW1$6MX 91.12
LS NW1$R3MX 90.73
LS NW2$R3MX 90.68
LS NW1$Y X 90.62
LS NW2Y X 90.62
LS NW1T6MX 90.52
LS NW1R3MX 90.52
LS NW1S 6M 90.49
LS NW3$9MX 90.29
LS C40000 90.28
LS NW13MX 90.26
LS NW1R 6MX 90.16
LS NW1$6M 90.12
LS NW16MX 90.06
LS R60000NW1$6M 90.05
LS NW13M 90.05
LS NWY 90.00
LS NW26M 90.00
LS NW1L X 89.83
LS NW1 89.83
LS NW3$R9MX 89.73
LS NW3Y+X 89.73
LS NW3$Y X 89.73
LS NW2RY X 89.73
LS NZ 89.73
LS NW2T3MX 89.73
LS NW2T6MX 89.72
LS NW4L 89.70
LS NW2$9MX 89.68
LS OC 89.63
LS NW1Y X 89.62
LS NW2R6MX 89.46
LS NW3L X 89.44
LS R45000NW3X 89.43
LS NW3$X 89.43
LS NW3X 89.43
LS NW2R3MX 89.38
LS NW2R 3MX 89.38
LS NW2R X 89.38
LS C35000 89.22
LS C30000 88.89
LS C33000 88.62
LS C31000 88.20
LS NW1$9MX 87.42
LS NW2L X 86.44
LS R35000NW2X 86.43
LS NW2X 86.43
LS NW3 86.43
LS NW3L 86.43
LS C25000 85.89
LS C23000 85.18
LS SHP18000 84.47
LS C21000 84.30
LS NW1X 84.26
LS NW2 84.26
LS NW2L 84.26
LS R20000NW1X 84.25
LS C20000 83.89
LS C19000 83.52
LS C18000 83.20
LS C17500 82.89
LS STARTER 82.68
LS STR10000 82.68
LS C15000 81.89
LS C14000 81.19
LS C13500 80.89
LS C13000 80.20
LS C12500 79.89
LS R30000NW3L 77.94
LS C10000 76.89
LS C9500 76.55
LS R25000NW3L 76.33
LS C9000 76.20
LS C8000 75.89
LS R21000NW3L 75.72
LS R10000NWY 75.68
LS C7500 75.61
LS R35000NW2L 75.40
LS R20000NW3L 75.39
LS C7000 75.20
LS R17500NW3L 74.94
LS R33000NW2L 74.85
LS C6500 74.73
LS R31000NW2L 74.45
LS R30000NW2L 74.29
LS C6250 73.89
LS R15000NW3L 73.09
LS M 72.43
LS R17500 72.17
LS R12500NW3L 71.94
LS R25000NW2L 71.29
LS R12500NWL3 71.17
LS MC50000 71.14
LS C5000 70.89
LS MC47500 70.38
LS R20000NW2L 70.30
LS R4000NW13M 70.21
LS R12500 70.17
LS R19000NW2L 69.70
LS MC45000 69.62
LS R18000NW2L 69.30
LS R17500NW2L 69.29
LS R9500NW3L 69.27
LS R10000NW3L 68.94
LS R9000NW3L 68.59
LS MC40000 68.56
LS C4000 68.41
LS R12500NW2L 68.29
LS R5000NW26M 67.96
LS R4000NW1R 6M 67.50
LS R5000NW1R 6M 67.46
LS R4000NW16M 67.46
LS C3100 67.41
LS MC30000 66.58
LS R15000NW2L 66.29
LS MC27500 65.56
LS R5000NW1R6M 65.50
LS R5000NWY 65.50
LS R10000NW2L 65.29
LS MC25000 64.58
LS MC23000 64.15
LS MC21000 63.87
LS R5000NW16M 63.87
LS R9500NW2L 63.82
LS MC20000 63.40
LS R9000NW2L 63.30
LS MC19000 63.13
LS MC18000 62.93
LS MC17500 62.58
LS R7500NW2L 61.79
LS MC15000 60.58
LS MC12500 57.58
LS MC10000 54.58
LS M7500 51.58
LS MC7500 51.58

I have over 11k pars and do not need great precision for my purposes so there are probably items that could be disputed. Might get you in the ballpark.

Appreciate it, sjk. Are these your proprietary pars based on your own speed numbers or are they based on publically obtainable speed pars?

[sjk]

They are mine. They don't need them to be individually correct to meet my needs and it would take only seconds for me to find some that don't seem to make sense. I don't do this since trying to fine-tune all of the pars would be a big job and wouldn't make a lot of difference to me from a practical standpoint.

[raybo]

Before you use BRIS pars for anything,, I suggest - strongly - you do some research into them. Last I looked, they were not track/class generated, but nationally based on purse values. This was a while ago, worth verifying.
A quick wqay to do this is look at a few cards and se how many horses in the PPs can meet the "par." Or better yet, compare some tracks to each other.

Tom, I will check with Brisnet but I assume the speed pars are based on the speed ratings Bris assigns to every horse in the US (and other tracks they cover) that crosses a finish line.

[Kelso]

Before you use BRIS pars for anything,, I suggest - strongly - you do some research into them. Last I looked, they were not track/class generated, but nationally based on purse values. This was a while ago, worth verifying.
A quick wqay to do this is look at a few cards and se how many horses in the PPs can meet the "par."


My unscientific read on BRIS pars is that they are generally higher ... and very often considerably higher ... than the best past-year final speeds of most runners in a race. I watch a pretty broad array of tracks (LA, AZ, FL, NY/NJ, CA, KY) and it's not at all uncommon to find no runners within 3 points of final-speed par.

(For my purposes, it's a very good thing that I have no idea whatsoever how to use anybody's pars. :blush: )

[ELA]

Joe is right -- go to each track's website and download/print the condition book. Read it, follow it, etc.

There is a great deal of information in the book, and most people do not even -- know it exists, read it, or even bother looking at it for that matter.

Eric