TVG'S split screen

[NY BRED]

looking to lose your mind, well simply wait for the 9th race at Belmont
to load at the gate, especially if you are alive in the p3,6,4,dd.

Tvg has a new split screen, the size of a postage stamp, and inevitably
an alternative track (usually California) will be running the third race
which you will see and hear.

alongside is the NY screen,which will allow you to see horses the size of Sea horses,
with no sound and no numbers/chiclets at the same time the other track is going.

Why not do a tape delay (as always ) as this innovation sucks and really is
offensive

[Edward DeVere]

I would love it, IF they would show the numbers, and show them all the way to the wire.

Otherwise, you're right. What the hell is the use of a small screen with no numbers???

[Dave Schwartz]

What blows my mind is that they show you 5 minutes of very early tote board then, at 7 minutes to post at MNR they break for a 7-minute commercial. When they return, the horses are at the gate and you've not seen the tote since the 7-minute mark.

It is as if they ask themselves, "How can we least serve the customer?"

[NY BRED]

funny thing about this rant is TVG has elected to provide the type
of signal received at a typical simulcast center(no audio)
which is not the reason I subscribe to the service and why I don't attend
the simulcast center(s).

Perhaps they will read my email sent on Saturday and at least
show post #'s and a larger screen when eliminating audio.


On the other hand, they are still showing replays of other races at
tracks such as CRC, Evangeline etc.. so this experiment with NY
makes zero sense.

Unless you are looking to drive the fans to the various internet sites
and lose more clients who have dishes to buy service at HRTV.

[PaceAdvantage]

Well then, it seems TVG can't win. They get slammed when they show a race "tape-delay" style, and now they are slammed when they use the split-screen and try and show two live races at the same time....

I'm no great defender of TVG, but seriously, it seems nothing they do will ever satisfy certain folks.

[Tom]

PA, face it neither choice they have made so far makes sense.
TVG needs to hire some people who dojn'townhorses, don't train them, don't ride them, just bet them - at many tracks.
This is not rocket science, and thier inability to solve simple things like this is just palin unacceptable.

They have no clue who thier customers are.

If they fired 90% of all thier so-called "talent" they could hire one guy who knows his arse from a hole in the ground.

I'm available.....9 times out of 10 I plant the tomatos in the right place. ;)

[NY BRED]

thanks for the support Tom

PA: just tivo or tape TVG to watch the insanity when the 9th at Bel rolls in

I've no problem with a split screen, but if you mute one track, at least show
the race on a larger screen with post #'s, otherwise don't bother as confusion
abounds..

[PaceAdvantage]

Hey, I saw that on TVG myself. I completely agree that the split screen without numbers or a call is basically useless, especially from big ol' Belmont.

However, I would think TVG does not control the posting of the numbers when the race is running....I think that's up to the host track....

[toddtontv]

PA, your right it's up to the host track to post the numbers, and TVG can't win, no matter what the situation, I worked in a simo-center for five years, and not a day went by without a compliant, if we played the sound it was to loud, if we didn't play the track call, it was a problem, I would like to see anyone for the forum go into a Vegas Casino and ask them to turn the sound up, or put up another screen, some day if TVG goes away,and all you have left is HRTV<(with its plywood set in front of a bar at SA, can't wait to hear the compliants then, and if anyone stops to thinks about it , one channel can't cover all the .tracks, because of post times. so keep whining and someday, some poeple will get us back to the dark ages because the picture on your computer will still have enough problems, like going down in the middle of a race, good luck to ya!

[Tom]

Gee,, Todd....you must work in the industry -whinning??????
Nice customer service phrase. :lol:

We are not talking about a sleezy simulcast facility, we are talking about a home TV with a station we PAY to reveive. See the diff?

And I still maintain anyone with a shed of intelligence could do a better job that TVG.

Here is the secret - show your prime track races live, and if another track conflicts, show it immediately after the first track. Pre-empt that buch of talking heads who offer notnig and are a waste of time. Duh.

[toddtontv]

Gee Tom, see the dif, your one of those poeple that is never happy, except if they are showing your race, but boy if they have it on tape delay you would scream and yes, whine, and then ask for cheese with it, I don't work in the dying industry, but it's because of shortsighted aging fan base it's well on it's way to ending, so fans like you have to find a new way to complian, I bet you miss the old days when the books would post the odds on a wood board!

[Tom]

Shrupp? :lol:

[toddtontv]

at least if you think I am him, spell the name right, and I hope you cap better the you guess or post.

[speedking]

PA, your right it's up to the host track to post the numbers, and TVG can't win, no matter what the situation, I worked in a simo-center for five years, and not a day went by without a compliant, if we played the sound it was to loud, if we didn't play the track call, it was a problem, I would like to see anyone for the forum go into a Vegas Casino and ask them to turn the sound up, or put up another screen, some day if TVG goes away,and all you have left is HRTV<(with its plywood set in front of a bar at SA, can't wait to hear the compliants then, and if anyone stops to thinks about it , one channel can't cover all the .tracks, because of post times. so keep whining and someday, some poeple will get us back to the dark ages because the picture on your computer will still have enough problems, like going down in the middle of a race, good luck to ya!

You, just like your brethren at TVG, really do not have a clue, do you! So what if HRTV has a cheap set in front of a bar at SA??? We are interested in the RACES BEING SHOWN :jump: I realize that TVG only has one channel, but there is no reason to have to listen to the talking heads schtick after a race instead of moving right to the simutaneous race after the "primary" event has finished. If I want to see and hear a tired act I'll go see Jackie Mason next time he's in town. You think you are drawing new blood with TVG? :lol: If that is the market the clowns behind the scenes believe is their future, then I can almost :rolleyes: understand their neglect of the serious player, however, shoving the P4 plays down the throats of newbies is a sure way to bust them out of the game.

BTW, I have had Vegas casinos put up different tracks for me and the Philadelphia turf clubs offer nearly every signal available.

And if you believe that viewing races via computer is a step back, then maybe you are the dinosaur, toddwhomeveryouare. Until the recent power struggle among signal providers, my meager home office, 2 computer, 3 monitor set-up, with TVG on the side (muted), provided all my needs.

speedking

[toddtontv]

wow, Speedy, you must be a regular Toni S, when you go to the casino's, maybe you watched sunday nights show, and had a dream, wake up now,ok, as for your make believe world, just one question, if your office has two computers, why would you have TVG muted to the side, your a lier, your a TVG hater and nothing less, and I would guess you bet the last race at that small track in Iowa, because you can't help yourself, because you are a professional "CLOWN".

[andicap]

Here's one of my huge pet peeves with TVG.
They do not post all the pace splits at the NYRA tracks. They might post the first one and maybe the second but not the final time after they cross the wire. (They might do this during a replay -- but not always. And when the results are posted, but that could be 5-10 minutes away.)
Or they might post the first split but not the second one.
I can hear the TVG rebuttals. Let me address them.

1. We just rebroadcast the track feed.

So why does the track feed I get from Brisnet show all the splits in the upper right hand corner the way TVG does for most of its tracks?


2. The track announcer gives you the splits anyway.

Yes, but not the final time. And he gives it in fifths not hundreths which can be a major difference if you are using the times to determine how the track is playing that day.

But aside from the unwatchable :58 Flat I have no real problem with most of the TVG shows or hosts. I'm sure all the production decisions people get upset about are made for rational reasons. We may disagree with those reasons, but I doubt it's because "interns" are running the network.
I believe TVG makes its decisions based on getting the most money through its own wagering account since it makes 5.5 cents per wagering dollar. A very nice split.

But there are probably other reasons at work as well: giving preference to "exclusive tracks;" the need to take the FSN feeds into account as well as local cable or FSN advertising constraints written into contracts.

[PaceAdvantage]

wow, Speedy, you must be a regular Toni S, when you go to the casino's, maybe you watched sunday nights show, and had a dream, wake up now,ok, as for your make believe world, just one question, if your office has two computers, why would you have TVG muted to the side, your a lier, your a TVG hater and nothing less, and I would guess you bet the last race at that small track in Iowa, because you can't help yourself, because you are a professional "CLOWN".

Replies like this between members are uncalled for and don't foster an environment where intellectual, worthwhile debate can flourish.

In fact, it's posts like these that can get one labeled a "troll" and can easily lead to one being kicked off the board. If that's what you want, I can easily accommodate. If not, please dial it back a few notches. You being a newbie here and all, I thought I'd give you fair warning.

[toddtontv]

sooooooo, your saying nothing wrong with mr. Speedy post ? who started the personnal attack.

[PaceAdvantage]

sooooooo, your saying nothing wrong with mr. Speedy post ? who started the personnal attack.

I'm not going to get into a childish debate as to whose post was worse. I'm just passing along helpful advice to someone who is new around these parts.

I don't want you to think this is a place where you can just go off half-cocked anytime you disagree with someone.

[JustRalph]

no way in Hell that is Todd or his dad............give me a break..........

[NY BRED]

since I started this thread, as just read the feedback from Todd, lets make this simple:

A:The belmont feed DOES include post numbers during the race, including odds, and placing this replay on a small screen is insane and offensive to
a racing fan, or in particular, someone awaiting the race who has an
active interest in this final race, which is the final leg of many exotic bets.

B: The fact that any director would allow this insanity to occur and continue without regards to their subscribers truly reflects mismanagement of a
racing show which,if properly run, might draw new fans.

C:Running to HRTV isn't necessarily the answer, and in fact, since CD and GP and SAX limited their broadcasts, I no longer bet those tracks unless I"m
at a NYRA facility.

D: In the final analysis, I am turning to one of the internet sites to watch
live racing, and will cancel my TVG subscription which
I regret, as the Pick 4's and 6's given by the commentators are automatic
throughouts in my wagering, which generally have helped me through the years.

During these past few years I have taken shots at certain commentators on
both TVG and HRTV who clearly did not belong on the show based on their
experience or knowledge of thoroughbred racing

This complaint/rant , in my opinion is justified, especially when I pay for this
service, and , more importantly, with TVG not even acknowledging there
are issues with this new "innovation"


Hopefully the squeaky wheels on this site will improve live racing on both
channels.






D:

[speedking]

sooooooo, your saying nothing wrong with mr. Speedy post ? who started the personnal attack.

The personal attack began with your reply to Tom. I will not dignify your moronic follow-up "retort" with any further analysis or comments.

I apologize to PA and any other member who I may have offended with my comments, which I still believe were well deserved. I am only sorry that I sunk down to this characters level for a few minutes as he shilled terribly for a service I have lost all respect for, then shifted the burden of blame to a fellow board member whom I do have a great deal of respect for.

speedking

[Tom]

Ditto, Speedking...join me in an IGGY? :lol:

[andicap]

The personal attack began with your reply to Tom. I will not dignify your moronic follow-up "retort" with any further analysis or comments.

I apologize to PA and any other member who I may have offended with my comments, which I still believe were well deserved. I am only sorry that I sunk down to this characters level for a few minutes as he shilled terribly for a service I have lost all respect for, then shifted the burden of blame to a fellow board member whom I do have a great deal of respect for.

speedking


Did seem out of character for the mild-mannered Speedking we all know and love. :p

[1st time lasix]

I like TVG. Glad I have it as a patron and fan of the sport. Like any evolving concept...it will continue to improve. When they have the rights to cover the great tracks....they do an outstanding job. Most of their personalities give a very good prepaired effort. Not sure what more you want from them. No true handicapper should really care what their "hit rate" is....one must wager on your own opinions and the odds that are offered. They interview trainers and show you the running. I personally go to my local simulcast clubhouse outlet to handicap,follow and wager the East coast and mid-west tracks. I watch tvg at home for entertainment and see if any of my later west coast bets come in. No need for so many negative people to complain....turn it off if you wish. You certainly have other options.

[cj]

I no longer have TVG, so maybe I shouldn't comment, but I will anyway. The split screen just seems silly to me. I don't think anyone complained that TVG didn't show two races simultaneously. They complain when they don't show races at all while the hosts babble on, or they cut to commercial.

If I had a choice of seeing two races at once, or one live and the other a couple minutes later, I'd take the latter option. Here is a novel idea. Maybe TVG should actually ask their customers what they want. I know in the racing industry that is blasphemy, but it seems to work in other circles.

[Froggy]

I don't in particular care for the coverage provided by either TVG or HRTV.

On derby day I especially liked it when after 20 min of blab blab and when the race that I just bet on was going into the gate they would break for a commercial and then come back with more blab blab.

I remember how it used to be in Vegas when there was no signal and races were closed 2 min to post time and you had know idea what the odds were.
10/1 morn line would sometimes pay $3.60 to win.
Then you got to hear the recreation of the running of the race post mortems.
The really exciting part was when you listened as the favorite which never got a call until the stretch run came from behind and after a head to head battle nosed out the other horse at the wire.
Two days later when the chart came out it would show that the favorite was ten lengths ahead from the gate to the wire.

In this life there isn't anything that is going to please everybody no matter how perfect it is.

Froggy

[JustRalph]

I don't in particular care for the coverage provided by either TVG or HRTV.

On derby day I especially liked it when after 20 min of blab blab and when the race that I just bet on was going into the gate they would break for a commercial and then come back with more blab blab.


This has been covered in other threads. On Derby Day, ESPN was showing the races live. You were watching the wrong channel. Whenever they cut to a commercial right as the race is going off and immediately show it when they return, is a clue that somebody else is showing it live. It is a contractual thing. The next time this happens, start surfing for the live race on ESPN or NBC etc..............

[Valuist]

I'm convinced the management at TVG must sit around and come up with new ways to screw up.

Rule 1: nobody who ever bets is allowed any input.
Rule 2: market your shows exclusively to people who've never watched racing before.

When I saw that split screen recently, I just shook my head. I thought loading up morning time with Euro steeplechases was the apex of idiocy. I guess they've outdone themselves.