Pure unadulterated crap

[46zilzal]

http://noquarter.typepad.com/my_weblog/2007/03/fox_news_crazy_.html#more

[Lefty]

Fox News has many many Dems and Liberals working for them. The Dems who profess to be for the little guy has cost the Reno economy millions by pulling out. Dems just want no part of fair and balanced it seems. Edwards who was one of the first to pull out after being intimidated by the moveon crowd has been on Fox 34 times and had nary a complaint about his treatment. zilly, the leftwing loons of your ilk gonna cost the dems another election. Not wanting the debate on the most watched cable station is just a leetle bit nutso.

[46zilzal]

Their being full of crap seems to be a uiniversal belief.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/4211395.stm
http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Fox_News
http://www.opednews.com/Kall_fox_fair_and_balanced.htm
http://www.thewashingtonnote.com/archives/001938.php
http://www.crooksandliars.com/2007/03/06/open-thread-416/
http://thinkprogress.org/2006/03/01/fox-media-civil-war/

[Lefty]

Only in your socialistic oneview world, zilly; otherwise how do they keep beating all the other cable channels, hmmmm?

[46zilzal]

The deeper one researches the more damage found.
http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig/steinreich8.html
http://dir.salon.com/story/news/feature/2004/03/30/fox_news/index.html
http://www.neilturner.me.uk/2004/Jun/16/fox_news_lies_about_lying.html
http://www.oreilly-sucks.com/
http://www.boingboing.net/2004/05/21/fox_news_lies_with_s.html

[Tom]

The proof is in the eating, not the pudding.
46 - just what could Fox do to Edwards he has not done to himself by being a slime ball ambulance chaser who talks to the dead and tried to pass it off as a good legal defense.
Edwards should be disbarred.

This whole thing is a planned event by the dems to discredit Fox.
Won't work.

You can't handle the truth, that's all. You are not alone.:lol:

[46zilzal]

Those references have nothing to do with Edwards and everything to do with propaganda.

[finfan]

From Camille Paglia on Salon (emphasis added)

Hence my unhappy surprise when Edwards, who has an attractively comprehensive social policy and strong oratorical skills, was the first to pull out of the scheduled August debate moderated by Fox News. What is this morbid obsession that liberals have with Fox? It's as if Democrats, pampered and spoiled by so many decades of the mainstream media trumpeting the liberal agenda, are so shaky in their convictions that they cannot risk an encounter with opposing views. Democrats have ABC, NBC, CBS, CNN, the New York Times, Newsweek, Time and 98 percent of American humanities professors to do their bidding. But no, that's not enough -- every spark of dissent has to be extinguished with buckets of bile.

But Fox is certainly disingenuous with its absurd "fair and balanced" motto. Oh, come on, give it up! Why can't Fox honestly admit its conservative agenda, as do major radio hosts like Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannity, and simply argue that it represents a culturally necessary antidote to the omnipresent liberal line? Yet for Democratic presidential candidates, who will be assessed by voters for their ability to stand up to China, North Korea or al-Qaida, to run squealing from a Fox moderator as if he or she were a boogeyman with blood-dripping fangs makes the whole pack of them look like simpering wusses. Dennis Kucinich was quite right to express his scorn and offer to debate anyone anywhere and under any sponsorship. Nice job of skewering the sacred cow!

http://www.salon.com/opinion/paglia/2007/03/14/coulter/

[lsbets]

Those references have nothing to do with Edwards and everything to do with propaganda.

You're right, those references certainly appear to be propoganda!

[46zilzal]

From ALter-net:"August of 2003, Fox brought suit against the humorist Al Franken and his publisher, EP Dutton/Penguin, for allegedly infringing on Fox's three-word trademark. The offense? Franken's book, Liars and the Lying Liars Who Tell Them (which attacked Fox), was subtitled "A Fair and Balanced Look at the Right." However, when Fox appealed for a preliminary injunction, U.S. District Judge Denny Chin refused the request – adding that he found Fox's lawsuit to be "wholly without merit, both factually and legally." The judge also said that Fox's right to such a trademark was not very strong, suggesting that, if challenged, it might well be revoked. "From a legal point of view," said Judge Chin, "I think it is highly unlikely that the phrase 'fair and balanced' is a valid trademark. I can't accept that that phrase can be plucked out of the marketplace of ideas and slogans." A few days later, instead of proceeding to trial – as was its right – Fox abruptly decided to drop its lawsuit against Franken."

[Show Me the Wire]

From ALter-net:"August of 2003, Fox brought suit against the humorist Al Franken and his publisher, EP Dutton/Penguin, for allegedly infringing on Fox's three-word trademark. The offense? Franken's book, Liars and the Lying Liars Who Tell Them (which attacked Fox), was subtitled "A Fair and Balanced Look at the Right." However, when Fox appealed for a preliminary injunction, U.S. District Judge Denny Chin refused the request – adding that he found Fox's lawsuit to be "wholly without merit, both factually and legally." The judge also said that Fox's right to such a trademark was not very strong, suggesting that, if challenged, it might well be revoked. "From a legal point of view," said Judge Chin, "I think it is highly unlikely that the phrase 'fair and balanced' is a valid trademark. I can't accept that that phrase can be plucked out of the marketplace of ideas and slogans." A few days later, instead of proceeding to trial – as was its right – Fox abruptly decided to drop its lawsuit against Franken."


What is your point? I am guessing here, is Fox guilty of propaganda because a U.S. district Judge does not think the phrase "Fair and Balanced" is not trdemarkable?

[Tom]

Sounds like a right wing judge with an agenda.
His very comments suggest he is going beyond the letter of the law, which is his legal boundry.
As far as whether "fair and balanced" can be trademarked, the :) is trademarked, so that judge better readd up on his law. And, PA, sorry for the :) - hope you don't get a bill for royalties!:lol: Oh!, that one too!

[chickenhead]

Fox news is ridiculous for the most part, as are all of the other 24 hours news stations.

The only news show I watch on TV is Lehrer on PBS. I don't have time (or braincells) to waste watching "news" shows about Anna Nicole, or someone that got kidnapped, or any other nonsense.

[46zilzal]

One great thing about the internet is the ability to go around the world looking at how news sources from around muliplte countries report on the same events. That is when Fox is really exposed as bull shit.
http://www.globalfocus.org/GF-Perception.htm

[Tom]

And cBS, NBC, ABC, CNN, MSNBC, yadda yadda yadda.
Fox NEWS, not talk shows, to me, is the most informative, presents the most stories and the most sides to it. CNN et all almost always seem to present news sandwhiched in withi round tables, guests, reps from both sides to argue.....FOX is the one that gets right to the story for my money.
That is why Edwards is afraid of Big Brit Hume!

SING IT:

Who's afraid of Big Brit Hume, Big Brit Hume, Big Brit Hume?
Who's afraid of Big Brit Hume,
John Edwards, Breck Girl! :lol:

Seems like Annie was right on this time, huh?

[46zilzal]

Fox gives a new meaning to the phrase "fair and balanced." As a matter of fact, we should coin a new phrase-- "Fox fair and balanced"-- to mean: partisan, unfair, skewed, distorted, dishonest, journalistically corrupt, propagandistic, corrupt. You get the idea. I've been borrowing the phrase Greg Palast uses-- Foxified-- to describe the kind of news organization

[Lefty]

One great thing about the internet is the ability to go around the world looking at how news sources from around muliplte countries report on the same events. That is when Fox is really exposed as bull shit.
http://www.globalfocus.org/GF-Perception.htm
and one great thing about Fox News is to get both sides of the debate. They alweays have libs on to argue their case with conservatives. There are many many libs signed on as analysts. Why do these analysts work for them if they're so skewered? Why has Edwards appeared 34 times and never had a complaint? These guys marching to the moveon tune and they will pay the price.

[46zilzal]

and one great thing about Fox News is to get both sides of the debate.
That is total CRAP.

[Tom]

And yet he can never provide examples.
How could he or Sec know Fox is biased if they don't watch it?

www.thinkformebecauseimtoolazy.org ???

[46zilzal]

http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=1067

[Lefty]

That is total CRAP.
Yeah, that's why so many liberals work for Fox.
Good debating technique zilly; you de masterdebater.

[Racer98]

I watched Fox news during the tiff a while back about someone bad-mouthing Condi Rice. When I read and watched the Fox story, you'd think the person would have called her much worse than she was actually called. Actually, the person just called her a "Careerwoman" and asked about any relationships that may or may not exist.

And CNN, MSNBC, etc. show both sides of the story, not just one biased side on their own belief. (You can't deny that they don't, you said so yourself)

[46zilzal]

Roger Ebert on the documentary OUTFOXED: "Fox is not objective. Fox is a Republican propaganda machine."

[Snag]

46, do you ever tire of putting other people down?

I know I'm getting tired of your one sided comments that are not even your own points.

[46zilzal]

46, do you ever tire of putting other people down?

I know I'm getting tired of your one sided comments that are not even your own points.
Gee is FOX a people????

from an AP story: CNN founder Ted Turner has called the Fox television network a "propaganda voice" of President George W. Bush's administration and compared Fox News Channel's popularity to Nazi dictator Adolf Hitler's rise in Germany before the Second World War.

Turner, in a speech Tuesday to the National Association of Television Programming Executives, also targeted "gigantic companies whose agenda goes beyond broadcasting" for timidity in challenging the Bush White House.

"There's one network, Fox, that's a propaganda voice for them," the cable news pioneer said. "It's certainly legal. But it does pose problems for our democracy when the news is `dumbed-down.'"

[PaceAdvantage]

Their being full of crap seems to be a uiniversal belief.

Here's a novel idea. Change the channel.

End of story. Plus, saves you lots of extra typing (err...make that cut and pasting).

[46zilzal]

here we have it

[46zilzal]

or more in store with this group.

[46zilzal]

or support this baloney

[Lefty]

zilly, you once said you hated no one but your posts betray you.

[JustRalph]

They are so unfair that they beat the pants off everybody else. they are so unfair that they have 3 times the viewers as CNN and MSNBC most of the time. They are so unfair..................

you quote Ted Turner? Now that is funny.............

What, you couldn't find something by Stalin to bolster your position? Turner went half nuts ten minutes after he got Jane Fonda's legs wrapped around his head.........he is Jane Fonda in a man suit.............

[JustRalph]

oh yeah, don't forget that the number one "major network" in America is now Fox........... you can laugh all you want.............

Fox
CBS
NBC
ABC

This is a big deal. The number one cable and "free broadcast" network is now owned by Rupert Murdoch............

[JustRalph]

Hey, Here is your hero.........Ted Turner shooting his mouth off again

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2007/03/14/MNGMQOKUIS1.DTL

From the San Francisco Chronicle: “Ted Turner apologized Tuesday for comments he made about China and Chinese people before the Bay Area Council last week in a talk on global warming. Bay Area leaders had objected to his use of the term ‘Chinaman.’ When asked before an audience of 1,000 business and community leaders last Thursday about how to win China's cooperation in reducing greenhouse gases, Turner said: 'The Chinese are very smart. Just think: Have you ever met a dumb Chinaman? Very seldom do you see Chinese restaurants close,’ :lol: he continued in an audio clip of the speech provided by the Bay Area Council. 'I'm in the restaurant business, and it's very tough. They work very hard,' those Chinamen.'" It is a slur. Turner said he didn't know. He did not know the term was derogatory





http://www.tedturner.com/tedturner/images/HOMEphoto.jpg

[46zilzal]

another favorite

[46zilzal]

Fox sentiment in a nutshell.

[PaceAdvantage]

Turn the channel.

All talky, no ballsy....

[46zilzal]

http://www.alternet.org/story/16892/
Thanks in large part to the reporting there...
Based on several nationwide surveys it conducted with California-based
Knowledge Networks since June, as well as the results of other polls,
PIPA found that 48 percent of the public believe US troops found
evidence of close pre-war links between Iraq and the al-Qaeda terrorist
group; 22 percent thought troops found weapons of mass destruction
WMD) in Iraq; and 25 percent believed that world public opinion favored
Washington's going to war with Iraq. All three are misperceptions.

The report, "Misperceptions, the Media and the Iraq War," also found
that the more misperceptions held by the respondent, the more likely
it was that s/he both supported the war and depended on commercial
television for news about it. The report, "Misperceptions, the Media and the Iraq War," also found that the more misperceptions held by the respondent, the more likely it was that s/he both supported the war and depended on commercial television for news about it.

In determining what factors could create the misperceptions, PIPA
considered a number of variables in the data.

It found a high correlation between respondents with the most misperceptions
and their support for the decision to go to war. Only 23 percent of those
who held none of the three misperceptions supported the war, while 53
percent who held one misperception did so. Of those who believe that
both WMDs and evidence of al-Qaeda ties have been found in Iraq and
that world opinion backed the United States, a whopping 86 percent
said they supported war.

More specifically, among those who believed that Washington had found
clear evidence of close ties between Hussein and al-Qaeda, two-thirds
held the view that going to war was the best thing to do. Only 29
percent felt that way among those who did not believe that such evidence
had been found.

Fulleport at http://www.psqonline.org/cgi-bin/99_article.cgi?byear=2003&bmonth=winter&a=02free&format=view

http://www.americanassembler.com/issues/media/docs/Media_10_02_03_Report.pdf

[46zilzal]

http://stateofthemedia.com/2005/narrative_networktv_contentanalysis.asp?cat=2&media=4

The NewsHour on PBS, by some measures, exceeded even the three commercial
nightly newscasts in its reporting, despite its heavy reliance on the interview
format. It also stands out for its orientation to hard news.

[PaceAdvantage]

Good. You've found alternative choices to FOX. Now turn the channel and stop complaining.

[46zilzal]

another good one

[Tom]

46, when was the last time you actually watched a full Fox News program - not a talk show, an actual news report?

Or is all this chest pounding and puffing up just totally unfounded opinions from you, with notnig behind them?

Just curious - when I comment on CNN, it about things I actually watched, not dreamed about or "sensed."

[46zilzal]

Several times lately as it has been on as an option and they are trying to sell it to Canadian cable markets. I keep the anti-emetics close by each time.

[Tom]

Then share examples with us.

[46zilzal]

Summary by one of their ex-employees
http://noquarter.typepad.com/my_weblog/2007/03/fox_news_crazy_.html

another web site devoted to following them http://www.newshounds.us/

[PaceAdvantage]

Several times lately as it has been on as an option and they are trying to sell it to Canadian cable markets. I keep the anti-emetics close by each time.

Do they not have channel changers in Canada?

[JustRalph]

Do they not have channel changers in Canada?

Sure they do, but the volume and channel buttons are on opposite sides... :lol:

[46zilzal]

Do they not have channel changers in Canada?
Gee, despite what you have heard about the POOR underpriveledged countries around the world they have electricity and indoor plumbing just like you do.

[Tom]

Summary by one of their ex-employees
http://noquarter.typepad.com/my_weblog/2007/03/fox_news_crazy_.html

another web site devoted to following them http://www.newshounds.us/



So, nothing that you personally have observed.
I kind of thought so.

[Racer98]

Sure they do, but the volume and channel buttons are on opposite sides... :lol:

Canada drives on the right side of the road like we do. However, all things are metric (in a way that the US is a bit of an outcast) and they have the different dollar.

Actually, a vacation there is quite expensive, due to the dwindling rates of the US dollar. Canadians pay the same that they always have, while Americans watch their conversions get less money each time.

[46zilzal]

So, nothing that you personally have observed.
I kind of thought so.
b.s.

[Tom]

To condem a channel without watching would qualify as b.s.

[46zilzal]

To condem a channel without watching would qualify as b.s.
you're the one setting the false conditions not I.

[Racer98]

I have watched it, as I stated before, and to which no one seemed to take notice. That is why i will not, and I repeat WILL NOT watch Fox News.

[Lefty]

pa, evidently not.
zilly, you can't even watch and tell us where ea side is not presented in fair way. You just bombard us with endless links of others' opinions. Get an orig thght, willya?

[46zilzal]

For a guy who lives in the same dreamworld

[Lefty]

zilly, the hater and one uninformed one at that. Give yourself a brk and watch Fox with an open mind. On every controversial subject you'll find a lib giving the lib side. The problem with you libs is you just don't want to hear the other side. By watching Fox i get both sides. And I don't have to post hate talk and posters gleaned from others' blogs. I get both sides and I decide. Novel idea, eh what?

[Racer98]

Both sides? I have seen only the right side when I have watched.

[Lefty]

Then you better open your eyes and ears, bub. Hannity and Colmes. Hannity conservative, Colmes liberal. Every subject they have liberal and conservative guests both give their views. O'Reilly, an independent that leans a kittle to the right. Invites people he disagrees with to come on and debate besides having libs and conservatives as guests. Sheppard and Greta just report strght news stories. I've heard Greata's a lib and don't know what Shep is. So you better clean out your ears and open your eyes wide.

[PaceAdvantage]

Gee, despite what you have heard about the POOR underpriveledged countries around the world they have electricity and indoor plumbing just like you do.

So then, use your channel changer and stop giving FOX another ratings tick boost with your viewership. After all, it's pure unadulterated crap. Why do you watch it? It sure would save you a lot of cut and pasting and a lot of grief.

[46zilzal]

So then, use your channel changer and stop giving FOX another ratings tick boost with your viewership. After all, it's pure unadulterated crap. Why do you watch it? It sure would save you a lot of cut and pasting and a lot of grief.
comic relief

[PaceAdvantage]

comic relief

No way. I don't buy that. I haven't, not even once, turned on Al Franken for comic relief. I'm just not interested.

Why are you SO interested in what folks on FOX have to say, if, as you state publicly, it's "unadulterated crap?"

[Racer98]

I believe he's saying it shouldn't even be on TV.

Right?

[PaceAdvantage]

I believe he's saying it shouldn't even be on TV.

Right?

Well then, that's an indefensible position. Now we're advocating censorship. Way to go.

"Take it off the air because I don't agree with what they're saying, or how they say it!"

Some folks are scary.

[Tom]

I prefer the totally fair and balanced Air America.
Talk about your American dream, where else could people get thier own radio shows who:

1. Are trailer park trash
2. Played football without a helmut
3. Used to be called "Sister Sleeze" and for cause


For comic relief, turn on Big Eddie Schultz - talk about obsessed people!

[JustRalph]

Fox must be listening

Yesterday they were running an ad that had a nice big banner like this

" Fox News...............with NONE OF THE USUAL LEFT WING SPIN"


and that last part was in big red letters.........for real..... :lol:

[Racer98]

Wow, eliminating that must have saved them pennies.