Fred Thompson in the race? Uh Oh, lookout

[JustRalph]

I just watched a segment on Fox News that reports that Fred Thompson is considering forming a campaign committee to run for President. :jump: :ThmbUp:

This has to have Rudy and McCain having a fit........... I pray this is true.....but then again........... I am agnostic :lol:

see my prior post here

http://www.paceadvantage.com/forum/showpost.php?p=339182&postcount=4

[46zilzal]

Another clone who has at least distinguished himself as a competent actor.

[doophus]

I just watched a segment on Fox News that reports that Fred Thompson is considering forming a campaign committee to run for President. :jump: :ThmbUp:

This has to have Rudy and McCain having a fit........... I pray this is true.....but then again........... I am agnostic :lol:

see my prior post here

http://www.paceadvantage.com/forum/showpost.php?p=339182&postcount=4


Good call and I hope this becomes fact in the fall, but preferably not now (too early.)

By all means keep praying....even agnostics are allowed to pray. BTW, I doubt that you will attain the maximum allowed, but how much praying can an agnostic do before he is disallowed the use of the term? :confused:

[JustRalph]

Good call and I hope this becomes fact in the fall, but preferably not now (too early.)

By all means keep praying....even agnostics are allowed to pray. BTW, I doubt that you will attain the maximum allowed, but how much praying can an agnostic do before he is disallowed the use of the term? :confused:

Don't worry, I worked out a deal to trade Vcash..... :faint: :lol:

[JustRalph]

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17576578/

Actor Fred Thompson considers 2008 run
Former GOP senator and star of 'Law and Order' to decide in coming months

http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/j/ap/wx11103111621.rp350x350.jpg

[46zilzal]

George Murphy = republican actor
Ronnnie = republican actor
Schwartzenegger = republican actor
this fellow = republican actor


Cornered the market haven't they? Read that script and make it sound convincing.

[Tom]

No one on that list talks to the dead during trials.

[JustRalph]

In the Senate, Thompson had a consistently right-wing Republican voting record. Here are some of his key votes:

--Voted Yes on use of military force against Iraq.
--Voted Yes on killing an increase to the minimum wage.
--Voted No on adopting Comprehensive Nuclear Test Ban Treaty.
--Voted Yes on deploying "Star Wars" missile defense shield.
--Voted No on banning chemical weapons.
--Voted Yes on oil drilling in the Alaska National Wildlife Preserve
--Voted Yes on terminating CAFÉ fuel efficiency standards.
--Voted Yes on defunding renewable and solar energy.
--Voted Yes on banning military base abortions.
--Voted Yes on banning so-called "partial birth" abortions.
--Voted No on adding sexual orientation to the definition of hate crimes.
--Voted No on prohibiting job discrimination by sexual orientation.
--Voted No on setting aside 10% of highway funds for minorities and women.
--Voted Yes on constitutional Amendment banning flag burning.
--Voted Yes on limiting product liability punitive damage awards.
--Voted Yes on restricting class-action lawsuits.
--Voted Yes on school vouchers.
--Voted No on background checks at gun shows.
--Voted Yes on selling guns without trigger locks
--Voted No on allowing reimportation of prescription drugs from Canada
--Voted No on allowing patients to sue HMOs and collect punitive damages.
--Voted Yes on repealing Clinton's ergonomic rules on repetitive stress.
--Voted No on increasing tax deductions for college tuition.

[Tom]

I'm impressed, but several of our cross-aisle friends here have just had heart attacks! :eek:

[Shacopate]

Solid right-wing voting record indeed.

But Ralph, he never should have ordered that "hospital job" on Robert De Niro in Cape Fear. Mess with the bull, get the piano wire.

[JustRalph]

http://www.talk.newsweek.com/politics/default.asp?item=552190

Now they are calling him the Tenn. Stud............. I knew he dated Lorrie Morgan.......but sounds like he got around a little.........

http://www.whok.com/sections/staff/morning%20show/images/Lorrie_Morgan.jpg

She has been married about 5 times I think. She burns through men pretty quick............. thank god he didn't marry her..........

[boxcar]

No one on that list talks to the dead during trials.

Indeed...that was one bit of excellent acting!

Boxcar

[JustRalph]

Thompson Speaks.........to local Cincy Radio Guy about running..........
http://a1135.g.akamai.net/f/1135/18227/1h/cchannel.download.akamai.com/18227/podcast/CINCINNATI-OH/WLW-AM/FREDTHOMPSON03132007.mp3?CPROG=PCAST&MARKET=CINCINNATI-OH&NG_FORMAT=newstalk&SITE_ID=1209&STATION_ID=WLW-AM&PCAST_AUTHOR=700_WLW&PCAST_CAT=Talk_Radio,_Comedy&PCAST_TITLE=Jim_Scott_On_Demand

[GaryG]

That voting record is most impressive. Gun control legislation is a joke. All it does is make it harder for honest citizens to arm themselves. Out where I live everybody is armed and the bad guys know it. Home invasion would be risky to say the least. I would like to see Thompson against osama or hillary. I just got back from an extended trip through the west and enjoyed some time in Healdsburg, CA. I think that is chickenhead country.

[chickenhead]

you should of have let me know you were around...you could have bought me dinner! ;)

[GaryG]

you should of have let me know you were around...you could have bought me dinner! ;)I couldn't find a listing for either chickenhead or Hunter Stockton Thompson. Rock on...

[JustRalph]

Welcome back Gary!

[46zilzal]

http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/04/11/thompson.cancer/index.html

[Tom]

He's getting ready - this is a disclosure. :jump:

[Dave Schwartz]

I could learn to like this guy.


Dave Schwartz

[Tom]

Most presidential looking since Ronnie.

[JustRalph]

He's getting ready - this is a disclosure. :jump:

I was thinking the same thing Tom. This heads off anything coming out about medical records etc.

[PaceAdvantage]

Well, this isn't good news in terms of him being electable.....shoot....

[GameTheory]

Well, this isn't good news in terms of him being electable.....shoot....Yes it is. I think it makes him more electable, as long as he stays healthy through the campaign. Actually, it will probably be forgotten. Kerry had cancer surgery early in his campaign, remember -- I don't think it affected his support one way or another...

[bigmack]

Fred is the son of a used car dealer. Fred has the charisma of JFK. Fred has been filling in for Paul Harvey on the air waves. Too bad about the Harvey fill. Presidential hopefuls ought not to read scripts of sleep number beds and security sytems for the aged.

Spread the time out between acting and politics and it's viable, ala Ronald R. People generally don't want to find themselves saying, "Honey, is that the DA from Law & Order that's now our President?"

[JustRalph]

Well, this isn't good news in terms of him being electable.....shoot....

I don't think it hurts too bad. There have been worse problems with candidates. We still don't know what Clinton has, he refused to release his medical records.

As long as Thompson looks like he is holding up well.........that is all that matters.

[PaceAdvantage]

I hope I'm wrong...

[JustRalph]

http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=OTIwYzMyZmQ1YzQ1MDNmZTMyYzQ1Y2U3YTU4YzNmNGE=

[JustRalph]

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18938109/

Fred Thompson to take step toward candidacy
'Testing the waters' papers to be filed with FEC on Monday

By Chuck Todd
Political Director
NBC News
Updated: 11:31 a.m. ET May 30, 2007
Enter Number Eleven?

Fred Thompson makes it (more) official. According to a campaign source, the former Tennessee senator and actor on NBC’s “Law & Order” will file his FEC papers officially on Monday June 4.

In FEC parlance, Thompson is opening a "testing the waters" committee, a technical term that allows Thompson to forgo filing a detailed report on June 30 – though once he's an official candidate, he'll have to file retroactively.

His advantages
If there was ever a time for GOP candidate to come out of nowhere and compete for the nomination, it's now.

According to the most recent NBC/WSJ poll, just 53% of Republicans are satisfied with their presidential choices (compared with 78% of Democrats who say they are).

~more at the link~

[PaceAdvantage]

According to the most recent NBC/WSJ poll, just 53% of Republicans are satisfied with their presidential choices (compared with 78% of Democrats who say they are).

~more at the link~


Oh, thank you Lord. More beautiful music to my ears. 78% satisfied with Hillary/Obama + all the other also-rans....I can't believe it's going to be this easy.

[GaryG]

If you think back a few months the left leaning members were laughing and scratching. This next pres election was going to be handed to them. Apparently Hillary and thelightweight don't look so good any more.

[lsbets]

After reading this, I like Fred a lot more, the man has some common sense:

April 13, 2007

Plutonic Warming

Some people think that our planet is suffering from a fever. Now scientists are telling us that Mars is experiencing its own planetary warming: Martian warming. It seems scientists have noticed recently that quite a few planets in our solar system seem to be heating up a bit, including Pluto.

NASA says the Martian South Pole's ice cap has been shrinking for three summers in a row. Maybe Mars got its fever from earth. If so, I guess Jupiter's caught the same cold, because it's warming up too, like Pluto.

This has led some people, not necessarily scientists, to wonder if Mars and Jupiter, non-signatories to the Kyoto Treaty, are actually inhabited by alien SUV-driving industrialists who run their air-conditioning at 60 degrees and refuse to recycle.

Silly, I know, but I wonder what all those planets, dwarf planets and moons in our SOLAR system have in common. Hmmmm. SOLAR system. Hmmmm. Solar? I wonder. Nah, I guess we shouldn't even be talking about this. The science is absolutely decided. There's a consensus.

Ask Galileo.


http://abcradio.com/article.asp?id=386579&SPID=15663

[JustRalph]

Now I know they are scared of Thompson...........

It took one day for them to go after him...............

http://news.yahoo.com/s/thenation/20070531/cm_thenation/1200952

[ljb]

Bill O'Reilly:" But do you understand what the New York Times wants, and the far-left want? They want to break down the white, Christian, male power structure, which you're a part, and so am I, and they want to bring in millions of foreign nationals to basically break down the structure that we have. In that regard, Pat Buchanan is right. So I say you've got to cap with a number."
Ever wonder why they detest womans groups ?

[GaryG]

Bill O'Reilly:" But do you understand what the New York Times wants, and the far-left want? They want to break down the white, Christian, male power structure, which you're a part, and so am I, and they want to bring in millions of foreign nationals to basically break down the structure that we have. In that regard, Pat Buchanan is right. So I say you've got to cap with a number."
Ever wonder why they detest womans groups ?Pretty weak, pitiful actually....you can surely do better than this. :sleeping: :sleeping:

[ljb]

Ok, here is another.
[Thompson] spent eighteen years as a registered Washington lobbyist, doing the bidding of such high-powered clients as General Electric and Westinghouse, pushing for the passage of the deregulatory legislation that led to the savings-and-loan crisis of the eighties.

[JustRalph]

Boy, you guys must be scared..........pulling out all the stops huh?

[hcap]

I sort of like Thompson. After all he is an actor, and you all know how much the left loves Hollywood. :lol:

Unless of course it's a B movie actor. Then the right buys all the tickets and fawns like school girls over their new manly heroe.

Pa
Oh, thank you Lord. More beautiful music to my ears. 78% satisfied with Hillary/Obama + all the other also-rans....I can't believe it's going to be this easy.Don't count your chickens yet.



....Faced with significantly declining contributions from grassroots donors, the Republican National Committee has fired its entire team of telephone solicitors, according to a report in Friday's Washington Times.

"Faced with an estimated 40 percent falloff in small-donor contributions and aging phone-bank equipment that the RNC said would cost too much to update, Anne Hathaway, the committee's chief of staff, summoned the solicitations staff and told them they were out of work, effective immediately, fired staff members told The Times," Ralph Z. Hallow wrote in the paper."

[PaceAdvantage]

Hey, maybe I'm way off base...perhaps I am THAT out of touch with reality.

However, I know that YOU can't possibly think that Hillary is going to generate a lot of warm and fuzzy thoughts from perspective voters. You also can't possibly think that Obama is going to have them fervently checking his box with his total lack of experience at almost anything.

It's my opinion that in THE MOST fertile era for a Democratic victory in the White House, you have put up possibly the weakest group of candidates EVER.

Is the Democratic party really serious about winning the White House in 2008? If so, then they may be the ones who are truly out of touch with reality.

[JustRalph]

If Hillary runs against Thompson..........who do you think wins the south?

[boxcar]

"Faced with an estimated 40 percent falloff in small-donor contributions and aging phone-bank equipment that the RNC said would cost too much to update, Anne Hathaway, the committee's chief of staff, summoned the solicitations staff and told them they were out of work, effective immediately, fired staff members told The Times," Ralph Z. Hallow wrote in the paper."

Ol' Annie is as clueless as they come. Why fire staff members!? It's not their fault donations are a wee bit off. Who needs to be fired are all the RINOs in office who have incurred the displeasure of real conservatives. "Firing" them would akin to cutting out a malignant cancer that is killing this country.

Boxcar

[Tom]

[QUOTE=PaceAdvantage
It's my opinion that in THE MOST fertile era for a Democratic victory in the White House, you have put up possibly the weakest group of candidates EVER.
[/QUOTE]


I thought the group on American Idol was far more qualified. Jury's still out on So You Think You Can Dance. :lol:


Hey! How aqbout this - Survivor WH.
Two teams - Dems and Repubs, on an island until Labor Day 08.
Each month, they vote off someone.

[JustRalph]

http://media.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/photo/2007/06/02/PH2007060201166.jpg

Fred Thompson with his wife

Now that looks like a First Lady!

Definitely a horse of a different color..........comparatively speaking

[Tom]

Who's that guy in the back, taking a pic of her BUTT! :lol:

[ljb]

http://media.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/photo/2007/06/02/PH2007060201166.jpg

Fred Thompson with his wife

Now that looks like a First Lady!

Definitely a horse of a different color..........comparatively speaking
Wife number ? And has anyone confirmed she is not his cousin ? :lol:

[ljb]

Also I just found another reason you guys are gonna like Thompson, he is with Bushco on immigration.

[bigmack]

A mere 25 years his junior Thompson and Jeri have two kids together. One less than 4, the other less than 1.

His first wife of 25 years has indicated she would campaign for him as well.

Jeri is also tight with The Wolfman.

http://i165.photobucket.com/albums/u70/macktime/Thompsonswifewolfowitz.jpg

[ljb]

Do you think maybe she is trying to get a raise outta Wolfie ? :D

[hcap]

Yep compared to the other Bad Actors in the field, this guy has it down pat!

http://images.ucomics.com/comics/tmjoh/2007/tmjoh070601.gif

[JustRalph]

You guys must be shaking in your shoes. You got Scarbourough going after his wife already.................MSNBC fires Imus for Nappy Headed hoe's but lets this one go.........

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IJNhkBllbag&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fmichellemalkin%2Ecom%2Farchives% 2F007660%2Ehtm

[JustRalph]

Thompson on the "New Iranian Hostages"

http://www.townhall.com/columnists/FredThompson/2007/06/07/the_new_hostages&Comments=true

[JustRalph]

http://www.dispatch.com/dispatch/content/local_news/stories/2007/06/10/gilmor_lincoln_dinner.ART_ART_06-10-07_B7_IC6VTKR.html

The results, excluding assorted others who received less than 5 percent of the vote:

• Thompson: 32.5 percent.

• Giuliani: 18.1 percent.

• Romney: 18.1 percent.

• Sen. John McCain of Arizona: 11.4 percent.

• Gingrich: 10.8 percent.

[ljb]

He is leading Rudy by about 1 point in the money play. (intrade) Of course this may all change once he gets in the race and has to respond to questions.

[JustRalph]

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/article1977478.ece

From The Sunday TimesJune 24, 2007

Old girlfriends cast their vote for Thompson

Presidential hopeful Fred Thompson is labelled by former flames as a charmer who could bring home the female vote
Sarah Baxter in Washington

IN the battle for the women’s vote, Fred Thompson has a secret weapon against Hillary Clinton - the legions of former girlfriends who still adore him and who want him to be president.

The Hollywood actor and former Tennessee senator racked up an impressive list of conquests during his swinging bachelor days in the 1990s, but he appears to have achieved the impossible and kept their friendship and respect.

Lorrie Morgan, a country singer who dated Thompson and considered marrying him in the mid1990s, told The Sunday Times: “I couldn’t think of a bad word to say about Fred if somebody put a gun to my head.

~much more at the link~

[rastajenk]

Sounds like the Anti-Clinton.

[JustRalph]

They are running scared............

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0607/4637.html

Democrats tear into Fred Thompson

By: Mike Allen
Jun 25, 2007 03:18 PM EST

Even before his expected July announcement, Fred Thompson's all-but-declared entry into the Republican presidential stakes has prompted the Democratic National Committee to attack him as a potential GOP front-runner and to use his prospective candidacy to raise money.

Democratic strategists say Thompson's populist style and show-biz allure could prove extremely appealing in a general election at a time when voters are so down on Washington. So the party has launched a preemptive campaign against him that includes a DNC fundraising e-mail branding Thompson, "The inside-outsider."

~more at the link~

[GaryG]

They are running scared............And so are the far left members here....just when they thought the door was open for them.....DOH!

[ljb]

JR,
Are you the campaign manager for Fred Thompson ? If so you may want to share this information with the voters also.
Fred Thompson earned more then 1 million dollars as a lobbyist.

As a lobbyist for more than 20 years, billion-dollar corporations paid Thompson for his access to members of Congress and White House staff. During that time he was close to two Senate majority leaders, both from his home state of Tennessee _ his political mentor Howard Baker and, more recently, his former colleague Bill Frist.

[JustRalph]

JR,
Are you the campaign manager for Fred Thompson ? If so you may want to share this information with the voters also.
Fred Thompson earned more then 1 million dollars as a lobbyist.

As a lobbyist for more than 20 years, billion-dollar corporations paid Thompson for his access to members of Congress and White House staff. During that time he was close to two Senate majority leaders, both from his home state of Tennessee _ his political mentor Howard Baker and, more recently, his former colleague Bill Frist.

yeah, that really turns me off. :lol: Sorry, I figured the DNC didn't need me to help them trash Fred

[Tom]

Ljb, did you ever wonder where the Clinton's who entered the White House off a lifetime of public service salaries, left with so many millions?

What is your point? Do you suggest all lobbyists are criminals? Unfit to serve?

[PaceAdvantage]

They are running scared............

They had another press release last week attacking Thompson...which I thought odd, considering he isn't even a candidate yet....yup, he's certainly on their radar.

Too bad they have such little confidence in their own candidates (obviously). If only they would put up someone who was actually electable, perhaps their time would be better spent.

[ljb]

Ljb, did you ever wonder where the Clinton's who entered the White House off a lifetime of public service salaries, left with so many millions?

What is your point? Do you suggest all lobbyists are criminals? Unfit to serve?
As for the Clintons, they are part of the problem. Thompson's handlers are pushing an agenda suggesting he is above or not connected to the stink in D.C. My post is an attempt to show the real Thompson. Remember how so many have been fooled by the machine that put Cheney in power.

[DanG]

Just an innocent bystander’s observation born of too much free time on a Tuesday…

In the political / ideological threads of this nation the word “they” and “them” is used as often as any other.

My left testicle for a viable 3rd party…the AMERICAN party where the base of extremist don’t govern both party majorities.

BTW: I love my left testicle easily as much as my right. Together they seem to form a good consensus. ;)

[Tom]

The Republicans are turning into two parties, can one of them be the new third party? :lol:

[IBCNU]

Ok, here is another.
[Thompson] spent eighteen years as a registered Washington lobbyist, doing the bidding of such high-powered clients as General Electric and Westinghouse, pushing for the passage of the deregulatory legislation that led to the savings-and-loan crisis of the eighties.




Passage of deregulatory legistlation is never a bad idea. Essentially your mandating that an energy provider such as a public utility pay open market prices for its commodity an resell to the public at much lower regulated rates. However this structure is never really public because all of this is financed through the sale of municipal bonds which end up nearly worthless. a.k.a. California and soon to be Illinois. I really wish most left leaning idealouges would take business 101. Exactly how did this lead to the S&L crisis by the way?

[JustRalph]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RB7tZ4qSk-4

[ljb]

Passage of deregulatory legistlation is never a bad idea. Essentially your mandating that an energy provider such as a public utility pay open market prices for its commodity an resell to the public at much lower regulated rates. However this structure is never really public because all of this is financed through the sale of municipal bonds which end up nearly worthless. a.k.a. California and soon to be Illinois. I really wish most left leaning idealouges would take business 101. Exactly how did this lead to the S&L crisis by the way?
Sad to say but, Big Business needs some regulation otherwise their quest for the almighty dollar causes them to discard any social responsibilities whatsoever. Another example is the Enron fiasco or more recent history. I really wish most right leaning ideologues would take social responsibility 101.

[JustRalph]

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/daily_presidential_tracking_poll__1

Rasmussen Daily Presidential Tracking Poll

The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Wednesday shows that Fred Thompson on top once again in the race for the Republican Presidential Nomination, Thompson is now the top choice for 28% of Likely Republican Primary Voters matching his highest level of support recorded to date. The question at the moment is how long the bounce from his official entry into the race will last. Rudy Giuliani, who has been the frontrunner for most of the year, is eight points behind Thompson with support from 20%. That figure reflects the lowest level of support recorded all year for the New Yorker. Data released yesterday shows that Republicans consider Giuliani the most electable candidate from their party.

[JustRalph]

http://www.peachpundit.com/2007/09/12/latest-georgia-presidential-poll/


Latest Georgia Presidential Poll
September 12th, 2007
Here is the latest from Strategic Vision…

Republicans:

Fred Thompson 32%
Rudy Giuliani 17%
Newt Gingrich 9%
John McCain 8%
Mitt Romney 6%
Mike Huckabee 6%
Sam Brownback 2%
Tom Tancredo 2%
Ron Paul 2%
Duncan Hunter 1%
Undecided 15%

This poll doesn't have the greatest reputation.........but it is fun to watch........

[46zilzal]

This guy has less negatives than anyone else. If I were backing the Republican candidate, I would choose him as being more "electable" than any of the others.

Now, will the electorate want another war monger? Doubtful.

[Maji]

http://www.peachpundit.com/2007/09/12/latest-georgia-presidential-poll/


Latest Georgia Presidential Poll
September 12th, 2007
Here is the latest from Strategic Vision…

Republicans:

Fred Thompson 32%
Rudy Giuliani 17%
.
.
.
Undecided 15%

....

I think undecided is the better candidate amongst all those clowns. :lol:

[JustRalph]

http://blip.tv/file/372080

http://blip.tv/file/377111

[lsbets]

As much as I like Rudy for fixing NYC after Dinkins, I don't see him as President. He's too much of a dick to work with Congress. If people think Bush is divisive, Rudy would be 100X worse. If he got the nomination, I would vote for him because the morons the Dems have put up couldn't be dog cather in my town, but I think Fred is probably the better choice. Since I'm not registered in either party it doesn't matter much, but my choices would be Fred, McCain, then Rudy. After that, any fringe candidate from the right over the bunch of kindergarteners the Dems are running. They are a friggin disgrace.

[NoDayJob]

Boy oh boy, are the Rips in trouble, when an old glue horse like Senator Thompson throws his helmet in the ring. God almighty, can't the Rips come up a real leader. Neither party is worth spit. Guess I'll just vote for me, like I always do, unless Big Ben Davis will give me a new pair of pants for his vote. I considered Mickey Mouse, but he's to darned controversial. :)

[JustRalph]

Boy oh boy, are the Rips in trouble, when an old glue horse like Senator Thompson throws his helmet in the ring. God almighty, can't the Rips come up a real leader. Neither party is worth spit. Guess I'll just vote for me, like I always do, unless Big Ben Davis will give me a new pair of pants for his vote. I considered Mickey Mouse, but he's to darned controversial. :)

I read somewhere that Carrot Top got over 300 votes in the last election............don't know if it's true........but that is down right funny........

[JustRalph]

Sept Harris Poll

Thompson at NRA meeting

http://campaignspot.nationalreview.com/post/?q=ZDVlY2I2OTRmOTU5YjI2ZDIwZjUyYWVjMTA2ODcwNjY=

[Tom]

Message to Fred.....KISS.

Remeber Reagan - run on a conservative trifecta:

National security ( war on terror)
Cut taxes
Less governement=less spending = good governement.


Everything else is liberal baggage. Don't address it, don't acknowledge it.
Let them look stupid for talking about it in the first place.
Make your point, they will make themsleves look dumb enough.
Time is on our side....how long before Hillary gets splashed with water?:lol: