Program Help?

[Speed Figure]

What windows program do you need to make your own handicapping software.

I paid $99.00 bucks to have my 1st program made but i would like to make my own can someone help me.:o

[ranchwest]

The possibilities that immediately come to mind are Access and Visual Basic. There's also C, but it might be too tough if you are not an experienced programmer.

If you are just looking to crunch numbers and are not so concerned about the visual interface, DOS programs work just fine. I use Clipper, which utilizes dBase files.

[GR1@HTR]

RW,

Clipper: That's old school isn't it?

[BigDumbBob]

I would say Visual Basic would be the language of choice for Windows. If you go that route you might want to get your feet wet with Qbasic which is a DOS based app that is virtually the same language as VB without the windows interface.
Depending on which version of Windows you are running it may already be on your computer.If not it is available free at many sites just do a search on "Qbasic". Lots of documentation out there too.
Once you get the hang of Qbasic you'll know if you want to move on to VB and most of the code will be transportable without much tweaking.

[PMANN1]

Speed figure,
Who did you pay to have your program done. I'm at the point where I have to program mine. Family demands and work are making it too hard to handicap3-5 tracks on the weekend much less learn a programming language.
I think there's a guy at I.T.S but he may use the program for his own use. I'd prefer someone who isn't into horseracing to do it.
(Not that I have a goldmine in my system, just a couple nuggets)

[ranchwest]

Originally posted by GR1
RW,

Clipper: That's old school isn't it?

Yes, it is.

A program can be knocked out fast and data can be processed fast. I've also got simple query tools with which I am familiar.

In short, it gets me there in a hurry. Newer is not always better.

[hurrikane]

Clipper? Haven't heard that word in ages. :D

Depending on what you want to do.
If you are just crunching numbers..use Access with the VBA module already there for your use. Good help and tutorials and great online places to get code already done to use. I would just learn VB(VBA). Don't see any reason to learn 2 versions of basic.

planet-source-code.com (good place for little snippets of code to see how things work)

If you buy into VB by itself you could probably get by with the pro edition and that will run maybe 50 bucks on ebay. Thing is, if you are only crunching numbers you won't need anything more than the VBA that comes with Access.

Now if you want to do some data mining/parsing/hard fast screaming searching algorithming your brain until you can't take a dump stuff
your going to want to go to C++ or Perl, there are even some .NET screamers out there that would let you query your db at home while you were at the track.

It really just depends on how much of your life you want to spend on this. For 100 bucks you might be better off paying someone.

[Lefty]

"P", "Speed" under thread "homegrown software" indicated his prgm was made by K.C. Enterprises. I inquired of them and found they did "simple" non-downloadable prgms, with manual entry.
I was just curious about this and after reflecting what I really wanted in a prgm I figured I had one that came "close" to what I wanted.

[nucsub]

If you're interested in custom software development then check www.jzambuto.com

[Speed Figure]

Having jzambuto make a custom program would cost to much money, in that case i would just buy the capper or all-in-one.

[Lefty]

Speed, just curious, but what are you looking for in a prgm? I find myself liking the ones with fps nos. more and more.
Lefty

[Speed Figure]

Lefty, The program i have now works great it uses my pace pars but it does not have a database I'm working on getting that done now.

What fps numbers are you talking about?

I had 2 nice pick 3's using my program today at hollypark park.

1st race 3 x 1 x all

5th race 3 x 1 x 5

My program does o.k. when i can find a key horse and i don't care if that horse is the chalk because i always have value in the other races.

I just would like to make my own program and not have someone doing it for me.

[Lefty]

Speed, fps, feet per second. More and more i'm liking the Focus prgm.
Good luck on "rolling your own" I just don't have the patience.
BTW, nice hits on those pic 3's.

[Speed Figure]

Lefty, do you have a site for that focus program i would like to see what it's about.:cool:

[Lefty]

Speed, it's www.adpa.com
Not only a good prgm but one of the best instruction manuals in the bus.

[Thomason]

speed figure

I would recommend Visual Basic. If you plan to connect to an Access database, however, your executable may be very large and that might be a consideration for you.

[CapperLou]

Lefty:
I have been trying to find a way to use Focus 2000 since August to my advantage. The program has lots of info, but it does not come up with many prime dutch plays. I've downloaded enough data at several tracks per John and have not been able to get many plays. When trying to find one horse--and I've used some suggested ways to extract one from all the data in one race--I have not been able to find anything consistent. Perhaps to can open my eyes on how better to use this program. It seems to have a lot of good stuff and builds models--but right now--I'm at a loss. Oh, I've already read all the posts about it. Thx.

[Lefty]

The db doesn't come up with a whole lot of dutch plays so try adding up all the ones and two's all the readouts and dutch top 2 or 3.

[122425]

LEFTY
WHAT PACELINE SELECTION ARE USING WITH THE PROGRAM?

[Lefty]

Using best 1 of last 3.

[Zimal1]

Has anyone actually used the handicapping program that Zambuto sells for about $234 (with video, etc)

[Speed Figure]

I was just on his website looking at his program.I was looking at the preakness deal it look's o.k.

If you purchased everything seperately that would cost $234.00 but you get it all in the Triple Crown for $149.95.

Much better price than the $400.00 Capper and it uses the $1.00 bris pp's. :cool:

[anotherdave]

Originally posted by speed figure
If you purchased everything seperately that would cost $234.00 but you get it all in the Triple Crown for $149.95.



Hit the ebay button on the purchase page and the Triple Crown is 139.95 with no shipping or handling charges

. Anybody have the whole thing? I see he sells the basic program for 19.95 on ebay, but I was wondering if anyone has the whole bit. In particular, are there any comments from users about the expression builder?

AD

[Smooth Hottalker]

A friend of mine made my software package for me, however since someone else can never get it 'quite right' I also find myself trying to program it myself. I have toiled with JAVA with moderate success but lack the time to devote full days to learning the code. I am considering taking a class at the local community college instead of trying to learn it at my own pace.

If you are serious about trying to do it yourself, that is always an option... see what the local community college has to offer.

[Jaguar]

CapperLou,

If you have the opportunity, take a look at FastCapper, think you'll like what Jim Cramer has done, absolutely first rate, and the best speed figures available.

All the best,

Jaguar

[Speed Figure]

I don't like those cramer speed figures at times they are to high and at times they are to low.

I was looking at a $50,000 Clm Race on turf at hollywood and his speed figures had a par of 94/111 what $50,000 Clm horse do you know of that runs a "111".

I like the program for the betting line & i did not see a betting line on the Zambuto program?

[GR1@HTR]

I have the Cramer figs and have tested them over thousands of races over just about every condition there is. Track to track, turf to dirt, sprint to route, vise versa, snow to mud... And yes they are very good. But there is one guy out there who has outdone Cramer at his own figures using the same variants. And that is Ken Massa and the Quirin Sytle figs he produces. The win% is very close(within 1%) but the ROI is significantly better.

[CapperLou]

The Quirin speed points are in the Focus 2000 program also. To get them thru Ken Massa would mean subscribing to HTR every month--is that a correct assumption? Several people I know have been speaking very well about Mark Cramer's speed figures, but the only way I know of getting those is thru Mitchell's All In One program. Any help or suggestions would be appreciated. For me; I'm looking for the best other than Beyer--every punter at the track uses Beyer and of course blast down those horses.

[GR1@HTR]

Actually the Cramer figures are by Jim Cramer of HDW who is easily confused as Mark Cramer the author. And yes, to get the figs you have to go through a vendor of HDW. They can be found at www.horsedata.com.

[Speed Figure]

. Anybody have the whole thing? I see he sells the basic program for 19.95 on ebay, but I was wondering if anyone has the whole bit. In particular, are there any comments from users about the expression builder?

AD [/B][/QUOTE]

Can someone give us some feed back on this program.

[harveyII]

Journeyman I have used just about every software package available and have found many are first rate. I have allways liked the BRIS figs.J. Zambuto's Handicap program uses these figs in various combinations which can be automatically performed by the program or chosen by the user.I play the exotics and have found that this program suits my needs. I don't play every day and only play NY, FL,and SO CAL tracks the $1 BRIS or $0.50 per card TSN file are attractive. Other programs charge a flat monthly fee for downloads and free programs, which I consider a RENTAL agreement since the software developer gets a cut of the download fee. GOOD BUSINESS PRACTICE..I'm not knocking it....I certainly would recommend that dollar for dollar value, including download fees, J.Zambuot's software is the best available today.;)

[Speed Figure]

I guess if people can pay $10 for the capper manual than the $9.95 video cd that shows all the key features of the Zambuto program is a good deal.

I'm going to think hard about getting this program thanks harvey II.:cool:

[anotherdave]

The Zambuto program looks interesting, but it seems like so much stuff without much focus. How do you make a dcision with so many screens. Is there an odds line? If so, is it reasonably accurate? Has anyone used the expression builder?
I like that it uses BRIS and TSN files, but that isn't everything. I'd like to know what its focus is and what kind of results people are getting. Any info would be appreciated.

AD

[CapperLou]

AnotherDave:
I agree with you. It sounds like a wonderful program that has a lot of info--BUT--what does one do to find the picks or contenders and how does one know which fields to use? Any input or field tests of this program would be of interest to me also. Let's get some feedback!!!!

[David McKenzie]

Originally posted by GR1
I have the Cramer figs and have tested them over thousands of races over just about every condition there is. Track to track, turf to dirt, sprint to route, vise versa, snow to mud... And yes they are very good...

I agree.

[Lefty]

I have the full Zambuto but like most always haven't gotten into its finer points. Good news is, you don't have to. Just go to the computer picks and it does as good a job as any prm i've seen in its top 3.
Thee is no oddsline.
It also, if you put in results that are done with the computer and it uses free results, can be fine-tuned. I haven't done any of this but I plan to.
You can also further qualify computer selections with the pace screen.
Looks to me you can go simple are get into the esoterics.
Price is certainly right for so much potential.
I had a lot of questions and Joe always answers his e-mail.

[Rick]

GR1,

Are you saying that HTR/Massa produces speed figures based on the Cramer speed figures? What kind of ROI are we talking about?

Also, what about ITS speed figures? They supposedly had a good ROI (with a low win %) according to Sport Stat before he lost interest in doing studies.

But I have to say that I'm not too crazy about top speed figure horses these days. In fact, I'm considering throwing out all top speed figure horses (based on the last race) because they're so overbet now. I throw out morning line favorites now, but that might be an even better elimination.

[nucsub]

As the Author of Joe Zambuto's handicapping software programs, Is there a focus to the program....that's a great question!!!

The focus has always been to provide tools for handicapping, NOT a silver bullet. I think we would all agree, there is nothing out there that can guarantee a ROI every race, every day, every meet. In fact, as soon as I develop that program...you'll know longer hear from me. I will retire, buy a place in the carribean and handicap nice a quietly.

Back to the focus.... The focus has centered around "self-tuning"!!! Using the "Track Performance & Race Results" program, you get the full chart results from every active track downloaded as often as you like for FREE. So, now we have the results. Just a note, since we have access to full chart results - for FREE- what about building an exhaustive database such that you dont need racing cards that you have to pay for?

Ok, downloading the racing cards for a charge (Brisnet and/or TSN), you now have all the data you need.

With the "Custom Expression Builder" program you can add your own expressions. You can use the variables that come with my program or you can build your own. Use them by themselves or use them with what I have developed.

Then with the "Self-Tuning" program, you can test my theories, your theories or a combination of yours and mine. The possibilities are endless!

So, the focus has always been there BUT evolving.

Now here's what's interesting...

I will be against the very picks my program comes up with...
Is that heresy for the author to say about his own product? Maybe it is, but like I said earlier theres no magic formula.

I use the "Pace Analysis" program to either confirm what the main program suggests, or in some cases it will reveal something only a good set of handicapping eyes can see!!!

So, where is the focus going.....

I am interested in develping a "Spot Play" program. Automatically search the active track results for a horse with a trip performance that would suggest the trainer is about ready to make a good killing next time out.

Anyway, thanks for some nice words about my work... Mention this thread and get another $10.00 off.


Joe Zambuto

www.jzambuto.com
j.zambuto@verizon.net

[Rick]

Why is it that horse racing software developers never win very much using their own software? Is it because they spend too much time working on the software or promoting the business or what? The biggest winners I've ever known are very low tech in their day-to-day procedures. They might have used some very sophisticated methods to find the correct approach, but once they've found it they don't really need to work that hard at making the right plays every day. In fact, I think it gets a little bit boring once you've found the best way to win. You like winning but it's not very challenging and you're afraid to change a method that's winning a lot.

[GR1@HTR]

Originally posted by Rick
GR1,

Are you saying that HTR/Massa produces speed figures based on the Cramer speed figures? What kind of ROI are we talking about?

Massa just uses the variant provided by HDW and uses his own formula to calculate the Peformance Figs.

I usually don't keep an up to date dB but here is my latest that I built for the last Orleans tourney. Based on the major tracks, if I recall correctly....So Cal, BEL, LAD, CRC, KEE, LRL...

Now the stats below are for based on if the last race was run on the same surface...ie A person wouldn't use a last Beyer from a turf route to evaluate sprint for today. Dirt to dirt comparasion...

All Dirt Sprint, Last race on Dirt
About 2300 races
Massa 28.07% -14.51


All Dirt Route, Last race on Dirt
About 1000 races
Massa 27.65% -15.39

All Turf Route, Last race on Turf
About 1000 races
Massa 25.03% -3.65

[Rick]

GR1,

Thanks. Even the best speed figures don't get you a lot these days.

[BillW]

A few for comparison:

From misc. tracks

6F dry, less 2YO and Mdn top speed last race:

TSN:
Starters: 2009
WPCT: 24.71%
ROI: -13.5 cents

BRIS:
Starters: 3809
WPCT: 27.02%
ROI: -11.5 cents


It is interesting to note the actual payout vs. the expected on the TSN figs is 1.06 and 1.08 for the Bris, indicating a slight underbet.

Bill

[GR1@HTR]

Rick,

True but as you know there are no single factors that come close to showing a profit race after race. But if you have good tools and know how to use them then all is fine...Anybody who uses speed/pace figs using last out figs blindly will sink quickly, as it should be...

Bill,

I'm surprised at the difference between TSN and BRIS statoids. Someone refresh my memory...TSN uses the DRF variant? BRIS makes their own variant?

[Zimal1]

By the way, isn't TSN owned by BRIS? and a hidden way of selling some downloads cheaper to increase overall volume? That's what a friend of mine who spoke to BRIS' family owners said. Any body have info?

[BillW]

The difference could be track mix. TSN data is from July 2002 to present when I signed up for their "all you can eat" special. It includes NYRA, So. Cal and Ky tracks that Bris data didn't have. Bris more oriented to smaller tracks in midwest and Pa./Md. from the past 2 years.

Re. variant. Bris does their own. TSN uses Equibase data, I'm not sure where the figs. come from (Equibase generated?) We were just discussing this in another thread.

TSN and Bris are the same company. Possibly existing as two different entities because of contract with DRF? Other than one never mentioning the other, they don't try too hard to hide their common roots.

Bill

[CapperLou]

BillW & Zimal1:

I have been using the bris single data files for sometime and am seriously considering changing to tsn--they are half the price. The question is: will they work with all programs that use the bris single files? The tsn outfit is owned by bris. The only difference is supposed to be that you cannot get the archived files if you want to build a database as you can with bris.
Also, you still have ability to print out the past performances--only thing missing is the bris power ratings--right?
All this being the case; I don't think I'm going to continue with bris when I can save 50% by using tsn. Any comments or corrections would be appreciated. thx.

[Figman]

A program I use to pick contenders is John Beaver's YEAST. It works fine with both the BRIS single file and the BRIS A-ODDS file but does not work with the TSN single file.

[BillW]

CapperLou,

There are two options with TSN, their equivalent to the Bris single and their Procap files. The Procap files are a superset of the TSN single data files and are included in a $59/Mo. all access discount plan (See TSN site). All 3 use the same file format.

If you are using off the shelf software, it may or may not take both Bris and TSN files ... Contact the author. I know that they will not work with all programs.

If you are using your own homegrown SW, then the file differences are a little less problematic.

Major Differences: The Bris files are "DRF" and the TSN files are Equibase. The speed figs are not interchangeable and the DRF SR-TV data exists in the Bris files only. The Bris power figs are included in the Procaps but not the TSN single. There are a few other more subtle differences that exist between the files that I don't recall at the moment. I use the Procap files so I am less familiar with the TSN Single files.

If your data needs are flexable, the Procap files are the most economical assuming you follow more than 3 or 4 tracks at a time. One Caveat: re. Bris vs. TSN: I have yet to convince myself that the 2 speed figs are equally as effective, although they seem to be close. (Remember, data that makes you money is a better choice than data that saves you money).

I believe the TSN PP generator is equivalent to the Bris program but I've never used it. I use the .pdf PP's are included with the discount plan. Since the PP generator SW is free, it should be easy to check out for yourself.

Another item: both TSN and Bris publish file format documents for these files that are mostly correct (The Procap doc. contains items that do not exist in the files plus a few other discrepancies) but this could be a start for your comparison.


Bill

[Rick]

GR1,

That's a good point. There are ways to use speed figures that are better. Also, good speed figures may produce a better ROI when switching surface or distance. BillW's BRIS ROI seems a little too good compared with testing I've done in the past.

My method is pace-oriented (like just about everyone else's). But if the top selection is not an overlay, then playing the best speed horse (more complex than just last race) is a break-even proposition. So, if pace doesn't win the race maybe speed will. I think you can successively apply different methods like this and get an overlay in every race.

[takeout]

Originally posted by BillW
TSN and Bris are the same company. Possibly existing as two different entities because of contract with DRF?
Bill
If that's the case, does anybody know when that contract is up? Also, are EQ and DRF going to remain "partners" forever?

This is truly a bizarre industry. Has anyone looked at a track program lately? They suck! I saw one for MD a few weeks ago and it didn't even have the claim information in it. Gawd! And I hear they actually charge for those things. I assume that the tracks have access to all of the info at EQ so it boggles the mind that they don't put at least some of the more important stuff in their programs. Go figure.

[BillW]

Originally posted by takeout
If that's the case, does anybody know when that contract is up? Also, are EQ and DRF going to remain "partners" forever?

This is truly a bizarre industry. Has anyone looked at a track program lately? They suck! I saw one for MD a few weeks ago and it didn't even have the claim information in it. Gawd! And I hear they actually charge for those things. I assume that the tracks have access to all of the info at EQ so it boggles the mind that they don't put at least some of the more important stuff in their programs. Go figure.

I should have made my hedge on that comment stronger than a single question mark. That is merely a guess of mine, I've never heard that speculated by anyone else before. It just as easily could be simply the way Bloodstack Research structures their business.

As far as DRF and EQ go, doesn't DRF own the whole operation?

Bill

[Vinnie]

Figman,

How's it going? Where did you get that John Beaver's Yeast program? I have heard of that one before. Also, I had heard that the vendor had passed on some time ago.

Any information regarding that software would be greatly appreciated.

All the BEST!

[GR1@HTR]

A mix of beaver and yeast sound dangerous...Sounds like something to that could lead to infection <g>

[GR1@HTR]

Reran the figs excluding maidens and 2yr olds
All Dirt Sprint, Last race on Dirt, non maiden and 2yr non old
Massa
405/1470 27.55% -12.44

All Dirt Route, Last race on Dirt, non maiden, and non 2yr old
Massa
216/825 26.18% -16.72

All Turf Route, Last race on Turf, non maiden and non 2yr old
Massa
193/746 25.87% 1.02

[GR1@HTR]

Massa produces 3 different pace/speed figs besides the Cramer Figure.

They are the PER figs listed above, Average Pace (from MPH/Brohammer) and his Vel or Score rating:

Now for the greatness of the MPH Average Pace (AP). Note: There is a different in sample size because of ties. PER figures you might have 2 horses tied with a 100 rating where as AP you will see someting like 55.50 and 55.48. The decimal points break ties:

All Dirt Sprint, Last race on Dirt, non maiden and 2yr non old
Massa AP
337/1136 29.67% -7.52

All Dirt Route, Last race on Dirt, non maiden, and non 2yr old
Massa AP
192/696 27.59% -5.41

All Turf Route, Last race on Turf, non maiden and non 2yr old
Massa AP
141/555 26.49% 1.02

[Tom]

I can't speak for all programs, but I have used a TSN file in a program that is supposed to use BRIS files by simply renaming the file, ie, TRACK.DRF renamed to TRACK.EG

[Larry Hamilton]

Tom I am sure you realize that when you change extensions and upload TSN's numbers (ranks and raw) and dump them into the same fields with BRIS numbers, the result is fruit salad.

The absolute cheapest way to go is to subscribe to TSN's procap program 59.95 a month for unlimited download.

[Lefty]

Larry, problem with those procap files(Advantage $59.95)is they don't work in all prog that take TSN files. For instance they work fine in EquiSim, will work in Focus if change the S to I but won't work at all in Zambuto.

[Larry Hamilton]

correctomundo! But, they do work just fine in your own home-grown data base using access.

[nucsub]

I haven't looked at the file structure of the PROCAP files. Is there an advantage using these files over the standard racing cards that come from BRISNET or TSN?

[Lefty]

Joe, the advantage to Procap Advantage files is they are selling them for $59.95 a mo. for Unlimited access. They also throw in that .25 result xrd file in the deal. Your prm doesn't need the xrds but a lot of prgms do. If your prgm could use these Procap files I would subscribe to them.

[Speed Figure]

This is what my home grown Software Pace & Speed Ratings look like for today's races at Hollywood Park.


Race 3 Par Avg 90

Horse #1 87.5-79
Horse #2 75-71
Horse #3 82.5-75
Horse #4 95-92
Horse #5 82.5-80
Horse #6 82.5-78
Horse #7 87.5-86

Race 4 Par Avg 98.5

Horse #1 98.5-83
Horse #2 73.5-88
Horse #3 96.5-95
Horse #4 104.5-94
Horse #5 88.5-92
Horse #6 86-90
Horse #7 98.5-86
Horse #8 100.5-90

Race 5 Par Avg 97

Horse #1 NR
Horse #2 82-94
Horse #3 89.5-85
Horse #4 99.5-98 "Dirt Rating"
Horse #5 92-95
Horse #6 102-93
Horse #7 89.5-91
Horse #8 70.5-98
Horse #9 92-93

Race 6 Par Avg 87

Horse #1 79.5-80
Horse #2 79.5-87
Horse #3 79.5-76
Horse #4 79.5-76
Horse #5 94.5-75
Horse #6 NR
Horse #7 NR
Horse #8 NR
Horse #9 82-78
Horse #10 68-78
Horse #11 76-77
Horse #12 NR

Race #7 Par Avg 93

Horse #1 105.5-94
Horse #2 83-76
Horse #3 85.5-88
Horse #4 103-90
Horse #5 NR
Horse #6 99.5-82

Race #8 Par Avg 84

Horse #1 NR
Horse #2 NR
Horse #3 70-81
Horse #4 84-84
Horse #5 76-81
Horse #6 NR
Horse #7 84-69
Horse #8 76-84






:D

[BigDumbBob]

Speed,
How and what are you inputting to get this output? Are you manually typing in numbers off the Racing Form? Or running a comma delimited file through your program?
What other figs would you like to get other than just Pars?
Also, you started out this thread asking about WINDOWS based programs.Is that because you have an operating system that won't run DOS based programs or just personal perference?

BDB

[nucsub]

Lefty,
can you email me a procap file. I want to take a look at the structure.
Joe
j.zambuto@verizon.net
www.jzambuto.com

[Speed Figure]

I make my own pace & speed pars for about 20 tracks that i play during the year.

I'm inputting the infor from the racing form, that's all i need and i can have my pace & speed ratings for any horse in any race if i put NR or No Rating it is because the horse in from overseas or i feel the horse is a non contender.

What other figs do i need other than my own pace & speed ratings i did well today by hitting the pick4 on a $18 ticket 9 x 1 x 2 x 1 i'm not a big bettor but my ratings do o.k. for me.

I wanted to know which windows program i need to make my own program's so that i don't need someone to do it for me.

I don't know what a DOS program is.

[delayjf]

I asked KM if he used the Cramer pace/speed figures or if HTR displayed them somewhere in the program. I understood that whle they are used to calulate the k, PER, and other ratings, they were not actually displayed as stand alone ratings. n as much as I've heard how good and meticulous Cramer is in calculating his numbers, I'd prefer his to the quinn style numbers currently displayed.
Did I missunderstnd Ken and if so where are they displayed??

[GR1@HTR]

delay,

The Cramer Speed figs are the ones listed in "PP's Advanced" in HTR Windows, "PP's Sheet Style" (call it an upside down cramer, 0-49), and the Cramer pace figs are located in "X Screen" in HTR Windows. Also the C90 is the best Cramer speed figure from last 90 days. The Cramer figures are not in HTR DOS, unless you use the old PRAT 1 Screen and you will get the Cramer Speed figure in a Sheets style format (0-40). BTW, the reason why I know all this stuff is cause I have too much time on my hands....Better go play some Playstation II for a while...

[ranchwest]

Speed Figure,

Typically, a DOS program doesn't have a Graphical User Interface (lines, pictures, windows, boxes, etc.), while a Windows program does. Generally, Windows is much more modern.

I use a DOS program that I wrote because all that I am doing is number crunching, I don't have any user interface at all. Take numbers from a table, build a custom table, make a lot of calculations and store them in the table, create a selections table, bring the selections table into Excel for printing. I'm considering changing the last step to use Word or Explorer for the printing step.

In case anyone doesn't know, Windows programs can be launched from DOS. For instance, you can create a file in DOS and execute Word with the text file utilized from DOS.

[Speed Figure]

De Francis Pace & Speed Ratings.




#1 110/108
#2 117.5/100
#3 107.5/103
#4 112.5/107
#5 102.5/107
#6 115/108
#7 122.5/110
#8 97.5/112

[delayjf]

Thanks, that explains it, I've been using the dos version. For some reason my computer won't use the windows version, it's a Gov computer. I thought the prat numbers where based on Average pace, I stand corrected. Thanks again.

[hurrikane]

delay,
you need to be sure you have admin privledges to install. Gov, I assume you are running NT..if so you have to have service pack 5 installed. Out side of that you should be able to run ok.
Did you do the full install files first?

By the way..I've never checked Beyers or Bris but the Cramer 90 number is very strong. Anyone have a db that can test best Beyer over last 90 days

[delayjf]

I think the problem had more to do with the computers hardware. I only had a 2 gig hard drive and with everything else on it, it was pretty full. I'm in the Marine Corps and we don't upgrade our computers every year like the Air Force.
I was running a Pentium 133, just to give you an idea of how old. Heck I was still using a 486 as recent as 98. To use the DOS version, I had to open the download file in another HTR program. Thanks for the advise though.

[cj]

I can't speak for the whole Air Force, but I know we have plenty of old crap we are still using, and I'm in the Comm Squadron!

:) :) :) :)

CJ

p.s. Ok, maybe not Pentium 133s!

by the way delayjf, I'll get with you on that other post this weekend