"Race Shape" software?

[jk3521]

The title about says it all. Does anybody know of any software that calculates "Race Shapes" based on past performance data files?

[JimG]

The title about says it all. Does anybody know of any software that calculates "Race Shapes" based on past performance data files?

All-Ways

[shanta]

The Master Magician

[jk3521]

Do these two programs make selections based on such data?

[PlanB]

If any pace idea makes sense to me it's Race Shapes. That & Running Styles.

[46zilzal]

energy distribution = race shape

[PlanB]

umm, I can see the logic here, but a little fleshing out is needed. Why is it that I hear TV/Media cappers saying, "so&so tried to close off a slow pace, and lost by only 2 lengths, but today promises to be a very fast pace, more to so&so's liking ---------- but so&so still loses, often by more than 2.

[Light]

Because all other factors have to remain the same which in most cases they wont.

[46zilzal]

EACH race, even if there were the same participants, offers a different interaction of pace types resulting in a distinct conclsion since some of the entrants are improving and others are declining.

[jk3521]

Good point,46.

[PlanB]

umm, that's seems so general but un-useable. I'd rather hear a more specific plan of attack.

[LARRY GEORGE]

there is no software out there that picks the winner i use the master magician
it trys to predict race shape. i like when it goes the otherway on track bias
i like when it predicts early in a turf route and most people are betting closers

[jk3521]

Yeah, but there might be a decent percentage of the time when the race might go exactly as the shape suggests. Is there any system or software that will make a suggested wager based on such a thing happening? Or any suggestions as how to figure this?

[PlanB]

^^ A VERY GOOD QUESTION.

[Light]

Yeah, but there might be a decent percentage of the time when the race might go exactly as the shape suggests. Is there any system or software that will make a suggested wager based on such a thing happening? Or any suggestions as how to figure this?

There is no decent percentage of the time. Impossible in the physical world.

[jk3521]

:mad: You're no fun, Light. I'm just throwing this out in hopes of trying to figure new ways of handicapping.

[PlanB]

JK3521 ....... Pursue your thinking, which is novel. It's an old concept but it somehow has not been done, imo.

[Light]

:mad: You're no fun, Light. I'm just throwing this out in hopes of trying to figure new ways of handicapping.


Sorry,but no sense in wasting your time in fantasy land if it wont materialize. Factors such as post positions,trainer changes,jock changes,equipment change,trouble,biases,horse moods,and even prerace thoughts and intentions will cause enough randomness that no 2 races can be identical even though race shapes are designated identical.

[jk3521]

Light, I'm just looking for a starting point.......then I would consider current form, trainer intent etc. Of course you can't go by one factor only.

[Light]

Like PlanB says,dont let me talk you out of anything. Just my opinion. The only race shape I pay attention to is lone speed. However that is not allways as obvious or as simple as it looks on paper.

[jk3521]

Thanx for your input, guys.

[ratpack]

It is not software but HDW puts out an RS/POS race shape report

http://www.horsedata.com/rspos.html

[Handiman]

I'm just moving into race shape and pace of the race mumbo jumbo. I'm really liking it, I must say. And it all comes from Bradshaw's latest book for me. It's actually the most simple concept I've seen in Handicapping todate.


Here it is, again from Jim's book. Which horse is going to have the lead at the 1st quarter, and then is there anyone else who can catch him. If so, which horse will it be. If not, then he will wire the field. It's really that simple. In concept anyway. Practical use is where the rub comes in for most people.

Handi