GP race 6 friday - running times are questionable

[john del riccio]

There is no way N3L 10k claimers run 7 1/2 f in 128:1, the splits are
questionable as well.

John

[shanta]

Where is Trakus when we need it? Thank you for pointing this out John
Richie :)

[Murph]

GP R6 is the only sprint Friday that ran to the pace slower than par. The others all matched or exceeded the pace par. R6 the top 5 finishers met or bested my par.

FT var = S3

R6 Winner FT = 105

Murph

[sjk]

I gave it an 82 vs a par of 74. Faster than par but not outrageously so.

I thought the 7 horse looked like he was running a big race.

[shanta]

John
Here are the Power Lines for each of the entrants.These are the lines that make the horse fast using RAW unadjusted data.

Using 6.2 seconds per 1/2 furlong for adjusting the lines and figuring in the slowness of Crc compared to Gp it is impossible to get even remotely close to your final time of 128.1 that the race ran.

1:30.2 RAW is about the fastest that can be expected from this grouping of Power lines IMO.

That leaves 2 possibilities:

1) The timer like you stated was WAY off the mark.
2) The track was juiced up in preperation for today's big card. Checking other races on yesterdays card would easily prove/ refute this.

Attaching a screenshot
Richie

[Murph]

I gave it an 82 vs a par of 74. Faster than par but not outrageously so.

I thought the 7 horse looked like he was running a big race.8 ticks over par, adjust to an S3 and we look about the same. I can live with that speed rating.

This rating points to an interesting difference from the projected par method. I can agree
that this race looks a bit out of line but not to an extreme.

CJ, would you post your figs and var on this one?

Murph

[john del riccio]

I think the times are just falt wrong. Maybe the run-up was the issue because they don't run 7 1/2f on the dirt at GP very often.

JOhn

[Tom]

GP has a history of "world class" timing, or was it "Half Assed?" :lol:

Nice rep the track has - someone casually mentions a timing error at GP and right away, my first impression is "Again or still?"

Maybe that snazzy grandstand rolled in front of one of the beams? :confused:

[karlskorner]

How about if I told you the "run-up" was 120 feet. Make a differance ? I think so.

[cj]

CJ, would you post your figs and var on this one?

Murph

Sure. I do Friday figures on Sunday morning, and will post then.

[DanG]

Maybe that snazzy grandstand rolled in front of one of the beams? :confused:
:lol:
Tom,

You are too much!

[shanta]

How about if I told you the "run-up" was 120 feet. Make a differance ? I think so.

IF this is true and the 6.5 and 6f runups are neglible then my raw projection of 1:30.2 would be right on the button AFTER subtracting 2 seconds for 120 feet(40 yards). These are matchup times RAW

gets to 128.2 which is right on the number

IF the runups are LARGE on the 6 and 6.5 then it is back to square 1 although looking at the 6.5 GP horse shown a large run up is extremely doubtful

good thread :)
Richie

[classhandicapper]

How about if I told you the "run-up" was 120 feet. Make a differance ? I think so.

I've heard there have been a few huge run-up differences at certain GP distances that are throwing of fractional comparisons etc...

[BIG49010]

Approx 2 full seconds faster than I thought it should be run, problem with Par for 7.5f is they don't run very many at that distance.

[karlskorner]

Hanging the temp. rails out to 70/80 feet sure changes the distance for a race carded at 1 1/16 on the turf at GP. As I have said in the past, before you place a wager on a dirt race count the down poles the gate is set back from the light. At 120 feet the animal is moving when he breaks the light. Those splits and final times are not out of whack.

[cj]

Approx 2 full seconds faster than I thought it should be run, problem with Par for 7.5f is they don't run very many at that distance.

While the runup could account for some of that, there is no way that alone is going to cause a two second difference in final time.

The race definitely needed to be broken out. I had it about 20 Beyer points faster than it should have been. In the end, it doesn't really matter why. It was obvious the race time was misleading for whatever reason. Certainly timer mishaps are ALWAYS a possibility at Gulfstream.