State of the Union Address

[linrom1]

I have a laked copy of President's speech.



1. Halburton

2 Exxon

3. Mobil

4. Shell

5. Harken Energy

[46zilzal]

I have a laked copy of President's speech.
is that leaked?

[PlanB]

Add to that list, in a lesser way, the Carlyle group + Big Pharma, mostly Pfizer. But I think you really captured the BIG 5.

[Tom]

Don't foget the number one organiztion who keeps us reliant on foreign oil by refusing to allow us to develope our ownresources....the Democratic Party, also known as Hippocrites Anonomous.

And those who stifel the development of renewable wind power - The Kennedy family whose view is more important than energy conservatin.

Come on guys, you wanna whine and cry about Global warming all the time, but whatcha gonna do about it? Obviouslly NOTHING.

[linrom1]

More leaks.....

Pres. Bush will announce an increase in National Strategic Oil Reserves. When the news first leaked out in the afternoon just prior to the closing of Nymex, a trading exchange where oil futures trade, traders quickly bid up price of oil all the way to $55 dollars. Thank you, Mr. Bush we always knew where you stood. I guess now that Congressional Elections are over, we can stop, jerking around and lest everyone gets an idea of oil trading below $50, you'll show those liberal malcontents. "Let them freeze in the dark", oil at $100.

China just announced that they have added billions of barrels to their own strategic reserves. They did in secrecy as not to drive up the prices. What idiot announces beforehand that he'll increase US demand for oil.

[Suff]

Whats left to say about this guy.



Jim Leher asks him , in a one on one, if this war is so important, important enough that our very existence is at stake, why have'nt you asked more Americans to sacrifice instead of just the Military and their families?

Bush says

People are sacrificing. People are making money, The economy is terrific and the mood in the country is a downer because of this war. People are sacrificing thier peace of mind when they turn on the TV and see bad images. I consider that sacrifice.

Further; People should'nt pay attention to that, people should just move on and not worry about the war on terror.

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Two minute video clip.
http://youngturks.vo.llnwd.net/o1/1-18-07BushSacrifice.wmv

[PlanB]

More leaks.....

Pres. Bush will announce an increase in National Strategic Oil Reserves. When the news first leaked out in the afternoon just prior to the closing of Nymex, a trading exchange where oil futures trade, traders quickly bid up price of oil all the way to $55 dollars. Thank you, Mr. Bush we always knew where you stood. I guess now that Congressional Elections are over, we can stop, jerking around and lest everyone gets an idea of oil trading below $50, you'll show those liberal malcontents. "Let them freeze in the dark", oil at $100.

China just announced that they have added billions of barrels to their own strategic reserves. They did in secrecy as not to drive up the prices. What idiot announces beforehand that he'll increase US demand for oil.

I agree, but MAYBE, that's the USA American Way. Ok, that's a pro #43 opinion; yes, 43 is just too simple NOW; it was clever during Bush vs Gore, but NOW, it's just dumb, lazy, arrogant, tasteless for a President of the largest, biggest, baddest Nation. 43 is no longer up to his task.

[Snag]

More leaks.....

Pres. Bush will announce an increase in National Strategic Oil Reserves. When the news first leaked out in the afternoon just prior to the closing of Nymex, a trading exchange where oil futures trade, traders quickly bid up price of oil all the way to $55 dollars. Thank you, Mr. Bush we always knew where you stood. I guess now that Congressional Elections are over, we can stop, jerking around and lest everyone gets an idea of oil trading below $50, you'll show those liberal malcontents. "Let them freeze in the dark", oil at $100.

China just announced that they have added billions of barrels to their own strategic reserves. They did in secrecy as not to drive up the prices. What idiot announces beforehand that he'll increase US demand for oil.

I know I'm a little slow but what difference does it make when the announcement is made. Would the price not have gone up tomorrow?

[Tom]

Increasing the oil reserve is only prudent.
We do not have that many days of oil stored up as you might think.
Were the middle east to start another embargo like they did on the 70-'s, we could be up the creek very quickly.

You want oil prices to drop - supply and demand. WE HAVE OIL in the US, but dems are dead set against geting it.

[dylbert]

I have a laked copy of President's speech.Spell check moment -- "leaked". Actually, State of the Union is released to media prior to its presentation this evening.

Fact check moment -- Exxon/Mobil is one company; they merged several years ago. Shell is foreign corporation owned by UK & Netherlands -- guess President is helping foreign policy here.

Historical fact check moment -- Strategic Oil Reserve is one of the most misunderstood entities within US Federal government. Increasing it (as allegedly proposed) would have very little LONG-TERM effect on price of oil. Just as when previous President released some of this reserve it had no LONG-TERM effect on oil price.

Snag, Suff, 46, PlanB, and numerous others on my iggy list KNOCK YOURSELVES OUT trying to distort this FACTS as I will not respond to your empty rhetoric.

[Snag]

Snag, Suff, 46, PlanB, and numerous others on my iggy list KNOCK YOURSELVES OUT trying to distort this FACTS as I will not respond to your empty rhetoric.

I think you just did!

[Secretariat]

GW's solution to energy.

1. Grow more corn and eat less tortillas.
2. Allow drivers to "voluntarily" cut back by 2016. (That's been working great.)
3. Veto any reduction to corporate welfare for energy companies
4. Store more gas in the Strategic Natural Reserve to push up the price of a barrel.
5. Allow Cheney to hold more secret meetings where even who were there is
considered classified.

[Secretariat]

Whats left to say about this guy.



Jim Leher asks him , in a one on one, if this war is so important, important enough that our very existence is at stake, why have'nt you asked more Americans to sacrifice instead of just the Military and their families?

Bush says

People are sacrificing. People are making money, The economy is terrific and the mood in the country is a downer because of this war. People are sacrificing thier peace of mind when they turn on the TV and see bad images. I consider that sacrifice.

Further; People should'nt pay attention to that, people should just move on and not worry about the war on terror.

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Two minute video clip.
http://youngturks.vo.llnwd.net/o1/1-18-07BushSacrifice.wmv




I watched this. .....Just sad.

[46zilzal]

in response Webb:"The president took us into this war recklessly. He disregarded warnings from the national security adviser during the first Gulf War, the chief of staff of the Army, two former commanding generals of the Central Command (whose jurisdiction includes Iraq) the director of operations on the Joint Chiefs of Staff, and many, many others with great integrity and long experience in national security affairs. We are now, as a nation, held hostage to the predictable — and predicted — disarray that has followed."

[JustRalph]

hey sec........as President he can do what he wants. When Hillary is President, she can F#ck up all she wants..............too...........

[Lefty]

in response Webb:"The president took us into this war recklessly. He disregarded warnings from the national security adviser during the first Gulf War, the chief of staff of the Army, two former commanding generals of the Central Command (whose jurisdiction includes Iraq) the director of operations on the Joint Chiefs of Staff, and many, many others with great integrity and long experience in national security affairs. We are now, as a nation, held hostage to the predictable — and predicted — disarray that has followed."
So much for the bi-partisonship these lying rats keep talking about. As the Pres says, our very way of life is at stake and instead of saying we must get behind the pres and win this war, the dems just go bk to their old and very stale rhetoric.

[46zilzal]

same fellow said:"In the early days of our republic, President Andrew Jackson established an important principle of American-style democracy that we should measure the health of our society not at its apex, but at its base. Not with the numbers that come out of Wall Street, but with the living conditions that exist on Main Street. We must recapture that spirit today. And under the leadership of the new Democratic Congress, we are on our way to doing so."

[hcap]

LEFTYAs the Pres says, our very way of life is at stake and instead of saying we must get behind the pres and win this warThen the bush twins should enlist along with Liz cheney, and all the others who believe this.
Webbs' son is over there.

[Snag]

same fellow said:"In the early days of our republic, President Andrew Jackson established an important principle of American-style democracy that we should measure the health of our society not at its apex, but at its base. Not with the numbers that come out of Wall Street, but with the living conditions that exist on Main Street. We must recapture that spirit today. And under the leadership of the new Democratic Congress, we are on our way to doing so."

That reminds me of what my Dad use to say: "The Democrats are for the little guy down on Main Street".

If that is true, I guess that explains why there are some many "little guys". The Dems don't want anyone to go up to Wall Street.

[Lefty]

zilly, the dem congress won't do anything but raise taxes and give us a lot of rhetoric but solve nothing. Of course, guys like you like socialism and they'll try and take us even closer to that idiotic goal.

[delayjf]

Jim Leher asks him , in a one on one, if this war is so important, important enough that our very existence is at stake, why have'nt you asked more Americans to sacrifice instead of just the Military and their families?

For those who agree with the content of the above question, just what are you suggesting the American people should be sacrificing??

46
Curious, what were the US spending levels on welfare, healthcare etc during Jackson's administration?

Sec
1. Grow more corn and eat less tortillas.
So now the tortillas shortage in Mexico is President Bush's fault? California recently pass legislation calling for an increase in ethenol in CA gas. I will admit, it's a noval approach to the immigration problem - Starve Mexico to death.
Allow drivers to "voluntarily" cut back by 2016. (That's been working great.)
Apparently what does work is higher gas prices - dropped comsumption by 15% in the gas shortage of the 70-80s. I'd love to see the demwits run on that position.

[Tom]

My favorite part -

BUSH: We need to balance the budget.
Riotous applause

BUSH: And we need to do it without raising taxes!
Half the applause

BUSH: We need to control spending in Washington.
Dead silence

My least favorite part -

Bush had the audacity - the BALLS - to suggest we allow illegal workers here so that border guards would be freed up to hunt down drug dealers!!!!!
If I had been there last night, I'd be in jail today. THat low life SOB, that POS, THat waste of skini - he stands up there last night like the total and complete moron he is ahd has the balls to say that while two INNOCNET borer guards sit in prison on trumped up charges, with absolutley NO EVIDENCE against them?

It is time to outsource the president.
I hope this congress has the guts to take on justice and homeland secrurity and expose this cover up. This is obviouosy a cover up.

[PaceAdvantage]

Not with the numbers that come out of Wall Street, but with the living conditions that exist on Main Street.

But the numbers on Wall Street were good enough to tout the accomplishments of former administrations! Why don't they count as well with this administration?

Revisionist history at its worst?

[46zilzal]

But the numbers on Wall Street were good enough to tout the accomplishments of former administrations! Why don't they count as well with this administration?

Revisionist history at its worst?
not touted by me.

[Lefty]

zilly, the conditions on main st pretty damn good. Have been ever since the debacle of the Carter admin. BTW, in Gallup Poll tuther night, the majority of people said they were satisfied with their situation. It was in the high 80's.

[46zilzal]

zilly, the conditions on main st pretty damn good. Have been ever since the debacle of the Carter admin. BTW, in Gallup Poll tuther night, the majority of people said they were satisfied with their situation. It was in the high 80's.
yes, ask several of my family members in the South who have been laid off at age 50 plus. They are really happy with the Dow Jones Average.

[Secretariat]

yes, ask several of my family members in the South who have been laid off at age 50 plus. They are really happy with the Dow Jones Average.

All one has to do is simply look at the median wage from the government's own Bureau of Labor and Statistics and their poverty figures to get an idea of how lower and middle America are doing. Stagnant, not even keeping up with inflation. Talk about revisionist history. This is what Webb was speaking to.

[Lefty]

yes, ask several of my family members in the South who have been laid off at age 50 plus. They are really happy with the Dow Jones Average.
There will always be some people laid off and some people without a job. Happened to me many many times in my life. Layoffs and job loss happened even during the Clinton admin but you libs act like every person in this country had a job until GW came along. You are Bush hating children.

Sec, then why did 86% or so in the Gallup poll say they were satisfied? eh, what?

[Secretariat]

Sec, then why did 86% or so in the Gallup poll say they were satisfied? eh, what?

Lefty,

What poll are you talking about? Link? GW's ratings are at the lowest level of his presidency with over 2/3rd of the coutnry waking up. And you honestly beleive that 86% are "Satisfied?" Did you learn anything from the last election? Obviously not.

[dylbert]

Current unemployment rates, civilian, noninstitutional population 25 years & over, with Bachelor's Degree and higher

1.9 percent

Damn! Things are bad all over (and I live in Louisiana) LMAO!!!

[hcap]

Secretariat
Originally Posted by Lefty
Sec, then why did 86% or so in the Gallup poll say they were satisfied? eh, what?
Lefty,

What poll are you talking about? Link? GW's ratings are at the lowest level of his presidency with over 2/3rd of the coutnry waking up. And you honestly beleive that 86% are "Satisfied?" Did you learn anything from the last election? Obviously not.Yeah, what poll are you talking about??.
The latest taken right after the SOTU is bleak even by the substandard level of the most died-in-the-wool bush lemmings.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16840614/site/newsweek/

'The president’s approval ratings are at their lowest point in the poll’s history—30 percent—and more than half the country (58 percent) say they wish the Bush presidency were simply over"

With Bush widely viewed as an ineffectual “lame duck” (by 71 percent of all Americans), over half (53 percent) of the poll's respondents now say they believe history will see him as a below-average president, up three points from last May. The first time this question was asked, in October 2003, as many people thought Bush would go down in history as an above average president

Only 22 percent of those polled think Bush's decisions about Iraq and other major policy are influenced mainly by the facts"

Yeah who cares that only 22% think he is playing Iraq with a full deck?? No matter what you say about the meaningfullness of polls, and although you search for bird droppings- " 86% or so in the Gallup poll say they were satisfied"- things don't compute for the repugs in 08

[Lefty]

I blve it was a gallup poll like i said. We're all gonna learn a bitter lesson from last election as dems try and hike taxes. Look out!

[hcap]

and more than half the country (58 percent) say they wish the Bush presidency were simply over
BUSH FATIQUE big time. And this was right after the SOTU, which for bush wasn't bad-performance wise.

[PaceAdvantage]

And this was right after the SOTU, which for bush wasn't bad-performance wise.

I guess you have to say that, since Nancy was applauding so damn much....although it was funny to watch her eye the crowd before deciding whether or not to applaud and/or stand....:lol:

[Tom]

Funny Hcap says that...I thought the whole speech was lackluster, insutling, and nothing more than yadda yadda yadda. Worthy of the Gong Show. :ThmbDown:

[Secretariat]

Funny Hcap says that...I thought the whole speech was lackluster, insutling, and nothing more than yadda yadda yadda. Worthy of the Gong Show. :ThmbDown:

I was surprised by it as well. I expected at least a word about three things.

1. Katrina. - Nothing. Was just stupid not to at least acknowledge it.

2. Veteran benefits - Nothing. Ws stupid not to mention it especially in lieu of pushing for an escalation. Just stupid.

3. Immigration - a huge GOP issue, He pushed for his guest worker program again which makes no one happy.

Frankly, for the first third of the speech he didn't really say anything, and the second third we heard the same rhetoric he tries to push every year that no one wants, and the last third...he pushed for the escalation.

I guess he'll have next year to improve on it, and thankfully that'll be the last we have to see of his face giving it.

[Tom]

Katrina - yeah, he should have sadi something like there is 6 million ( billion??) dollars alrady approved for NO yet Ray Nagin has not gotten off his butt and applied for it yet. To busy to fix Chocolate town, I guess.

BVet Benefits, although a huge issue, is not really part of the state of the union.

The border, however, is about the only important issue right now - it towers over Iraq, it towers over terrorism, it towers over the economy. Failure to protect the union is unacceptable. Without a union, nothning else matters.

And Georgie has not got a clue about it. Dolt. :mad:

[hcap]

I was talking only about his rehearsals and improving ability to read the teleprompter. Content was dismal. Complementing Pelosi was a well done.
How many hours did it take rehearsing to get it right?

Any body remember how wooden he was when he lied back in the SOTU before the war, like a deer in the headlights babbling "The British government has learned that Saddam Hussein recently sought significant quantities of uranium from Africa"