View Full Version : President Gerald Ford
PlanB
12-29-2006, 08:40 AM
The more I read of President Ford, the more I like him. He seems very reasoned and balanced and definitely not locked into issues. His admitting Canada in the Group of 8 -- plus conditional amnesty to those who fled to Canada as draft dodgers -- plus his pardon of Nixon all indicate someone who knows that perfection in politics is unlikely --- so his first instinct seems to heal and prevent more disruption. The NY Times pointed out that in 2 OP ED articles he wanted to spare Clinton an impeachment hearing (as in Nixon) by holding an open session of the House with Clinton there, sort of getting roasted; in the 2nd article Ford stood behind The Uni of Michigan & their affirmative action policy by saying that "America must provide hope for the have-nots." ------ So, I would like to know what board members here, who were old enough, of course, thought of Ford. ps: Gerald R. Ford, with the "R" standing for RUDOLPH. hehe
JPinMaryland
12-29-2006, 10:20 AM
well why didnt he suggest the same thing for Nixon? At least pardon him after a trial, not before. How can you pardon someone when you dont know what crime they committed? That's bizarre if you think about it. I guess Clinton then set the standard for pardon abuse. One presidential perogative that was just begging to be abused.
46zilzal
12-29-2006, 11:19 AM
Ford was at the 1986 Breeder's Cup at Anita. "How do you like this spectacle president Ford?...I'd rather be at the Mich/Ohio State football game."
Light
12-29-2006, 11:46 AM
I don't hold in high regard a man who is afraid to let his position on the Iraq war be known until after he is dead. Pretty pathetic.
I don't hold in high regard a man who is afraid to let his position on the Iraq war be known until after he is dead. .
nor the reporter.
PaceAdvantage
12-29-2006, 02:10 PM
nor the reporter.
Wait! If Ford told the reporter not to release his comments until after his death, how can you rag on the reporter? If he releases the comments before Ford's death, then his reputation as a reporter is shot to hell....nobody will trust him with anything....
Protecting your sources is still priority number 1, is it not?
kenwoodallpromos
12-29-2006, 04:02 PM
Wait! If Ford told the reporter not to release his comments until after his death, how can you rag on the reporter? If he releases the comments before Ford's death, then his reputation as a reporter is shot to hell....nobody will trust him with anything....
Protecting your sources is still priority number 1, is it not?
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Deep Throat- debatable whether he was mentally able to give permission when his family claimed he did. Woodward?
PlanB
12-29-2006, 04:39 PM
Wait! If Ford told the reporter not to release his comments until after his death, how can you rag on the reporter? If he releases the comments before Ford's death, then his reputation as a reporter is shot to hell....nobody will trust him with anything....
Protecting your sources is still priority number 1, is it not?
OMG, PA & I agree. You can't just decide if you will be loyal to your source; no doubt Ford asked for that loyalty as a pre-condition for his comments. Anyway, I still think the press must not -- hardly ever -- squeal on its sources, and if they MUST, they just got to squirm before doing so. I mean, look at what passes for "The Law" --- someone like that scum Duke lacrosse prosecutor? The only thing that guy did is dirty Duke Uni.
Wait! If Ford told the reporter not to release his comments until after his death, how can you rag on the reporter? If he releases the comments before Ford's death, then his reputation as a reporter is shot to hell....nobody will trust him with anything....
Protecting your sources is still priority number 1, is it not?
I question Ford's request and Woodward's agreement. Not his adherence to the agreement. Why set that parameter?.
American's are torn, A whole bunch of people are dying on both sides, and a Former President withholds his view for Vanity?
That tells more about the man than anything else he may have done.
Ponyplayr
12-29-2006, 06:01 PM
I question Ford's request and Woodward's agreement. Not his adherence to the agreement. Why set that parameter?.
American's are torn, A whole bunch of people are dying on both sides, and a Former President withholds his view for Vanity?
That tells more about the man than anything else he may have done.Maybe Ford knew he wasn't going to be around much longer and he wanted his privacy. Would you want to spend your last days on this earth with a yard full of reporters screaming at your house all day.
Light
12-29-2006, 06:54 PM
Maybe Ford knew he wasn't going to be around much longer and he wanted his privacy. Would you want to spend your last days on this earth with a yard full of reporters screaming at your house all day.
Thats no excuse.People of his stature are allways in the spotlight and they pay other people to keep their privacy private.
At least we got one former president(Carter) that's got some balls to speak out on an atrocity before he kicks the bucket.
Light
12-29-2006, 07:17 PM
Forgot to add that the secret service protects former presidents for life. Ford didnt even have to pay for whatever privacy he wanted.
kenwoodallpromos
12-29-2006, 11:10 PM
FYI- my cousin lived in the same exclusive area he did- the golf courses in Rancho Mirage are surrounded by condos- so security when you are golfing depends on who lives in those houses. Most celebrities who live in that city go out in (upper class) public a lot.
The irony of history, or lessons aptly learned.
http://www.harpers.org/art/cartoons/mrfish/GeraldFord_629.jpg
:lol: :lol:
PaceAdvantage
12-30-2006, 04:55 AM
Crazy with impeachment fever? Who? You maybe....and a handful of loons. That's about it....
Your predictions never come true, I've come to learn. You kept promising me perp-walks, and all I ever got was re-elections.
Thanks a lot!
Your predictions never come true, I've come to learn. You kept promising me perp-walks, and all I ever got was re-elections.Ok here are some that did...
1-Disaster in Iraq and the ME
2-No WMDs
3-Winning both houses of Congress, due the lame duckiness of deer leader.
4-Overall failure the neocon foreign policy
The cartoon is a humurous take on the pardon of bush by darth cheney.
And a bit of wishful thinking....
Sort of like wishing that bush was an effectual leader and not a failure.
What utter nonsense in this thread.
Ford showed CLASS, something which several of you guys will need to look up, by NOT expressing his view. Carter, on the other hand, a low life scumbag, runs around spouting off his warped views. As does Billy-boy.
Ex-presidents need to keep thier mouths shut about current policies.
Ford was an honorable man......look that up, too. He pardoned Nixon BEFORE the elections, sacrificing not only his re-election, but his parties as well. He did not wait because he felt it was more impoprtant to heal the country.
Now, what possible good would have come from his coming out oppossed to the war publically?
Would that have helped or hurt the country?
Secretariat
12-30-2006, 11:30 AM
The Nixon pardon didn't heal the country. Another myth. He pardoned Nicon becasue Nixon was his friend. Still not sure how you pardon someone before he has been convicted of anything.
I think withholding his views was not honorable at all. Lest we froget when the Germans withheld their views about Hitler the dangers that can occur. Not saying that here, but witholding views to avoid facing conflict from other party members is not honorable, but simply acquiescing to a POV you disagree with so your party's polcy can avoid examination.
Sec, you are so out of touch it ins't funny anymore. Still using that old Bush is Nazi tired rag, eh. Why not plagerisze somebody else more well known to make your point?
Like I said, YOU of all people would not understand a classy move.
PlanB
12-31-2006, 09:55 AM
Just read a NY Times piece on Mrs Ford, born Elizabeth Anne Bloomer. Guys, WE NEED ANOTHER first COUPLE LIKE THE FORDS. I am now convinced of that: What we get are stubborn politicians who are ALWAYS right on every issue plus constant, non-stop politicizing. The Fords seemed like real people to me, and I get the feeling both of them would never act like tyrants, but would be open to ideas. That's my take.
Secretariat
12-31-2006, 02:59 PM
Sec, you are so out of touch it ins't funny anymore. Still using that old Bush is Nazi tired rag, eh. Why not plagerisze somebody else more well known to make your point?
Like I said, YOU of all people would not understand a classy move.
I think Ford was classy in some things. Pro-Choice, Fiscal Responsiblity, not wanting to get involved in the current neoconservative Strauss philosophy and getting involved in foregin entanglements, BUT pardoning Nixon was not a healing thing as he says. It was a mistake that infuriated the public and they voted him out for it. It's interesting that you beleive pardoning Nixon is a classy move. Nixon was an a-hole...not classy, just truthful.
Classless is a sitting President not showing up for a former President of his own party's funeral.
....Classless is a sitting President not showing up for a former President of his own party's funeral.
I agree totally. Guess "clearing brush" was more important than simple respect.
Whether is healed or not, that was his intent, That is what was classy - doing it right away, before the elections, before his daily talking points were emailed to him....oh, wait, that's YOU. Sorry.:D
I don't think pardoning Nixon was the right thing to do, but Ford did, and he put it ahead of politics THAT is what was classy. I TOLD you you would not understand it.
BTW, where was Dingy Harry.....he must have been there early.
I agree totally. Guess "clearing brush" was more important than simple respect.
Texas was playing Iowa in the Alamo Bowl at 4:30. He had made plans already. The Funeral was at 6:30. Schedule snafu.
Just the same, he ordered all Federal Offices closed on Tuesday. National Day of Mourning. All federal employees,---Day off w/pay.
linrom1
01-01-2007, 11:03 AM
I don't hold in high regard a man who is afraid to let his position on the Iraq war be known until after he is dead. Pretty pathetic.
Not only that, but, all the assholes come from the Nixon administration. They've been in power for almost 40 years, notwithstanding Carter and Clinton, dominating think tanks, media and setting all public policy. The sixties generation has lost all hope for assuming power or even a fraction of it. The fifties and counter '60's frat, rich boys held sway on politics's and ethics; and it looks like they're going to pass it on to X generation--me too. What a joke. The sixties generation was completely out maneuvered--even smoking state sanctioned medicinal marijuana's is now illegal.
lsbets
01-01-2007, 12:16 PM
The funeral is on Tuesday, and Bush is supposed to give the eulogy from what I have read. I'm a bit confused about the Bush not being at the funeral comments, can someone please clarify?
It is justs Sec being Sec again.
He neglected to mention (:eek:) that Clinton, Bush 41, 6 of 9 SC justices, and most congressional leaders of both sides were not there Saturday night.
Bush is Bad.
Bush is bad.
Bush is bad.
Click those heels together, Dorothy! Kansas is right around the corner! :lol:
PaceAdvantage
01-01-2007, 02:45 PM
The funeral is on Tuesday, and Bush is supposed to give the eulogy from what I have read. I'm a bit confused about the Bush not being at the funeral comments, can someone please clarify?
I was wondering the same thing. Tuesday is the official federal day of mourning, is it not? As if Bush wouldn't show up at Ford's funeral....give me a break.....
I'm sure Bush, Bush 1, Carter and Clinton will all be there on Tuesday....
PlanB
01-01-2007, 03:07 PM
I AM KIND OF dismayed by some posters here. You want to forgive foreigners, some possible terrorists, but NOT forgive President Nixon, who probably made a stupid career-blowing psychotic decision. OK, but why so? Is it because we must hold our own to a higher standard? Ok, I can agree with you, but if they fall what is your motivation for relentless, yes relentless, mockery? i just cannot understand why you guys hate Ford & Nixon & , ahhh, 43 (I'm no fan of 43). But why don't you reserve some forgiveness for our own?
boxcar
01-01-2007, 03:15 PM
Thats no excuse.People of his stature are allways in the spotlight and they pay other people to keep their privacy private.
At least we got one former president(Carter) that's got some balls to speak out on an atrocity before he kicks the bucket.
What would you expect of a peanut farmer and an appeasement-at-all costs champion whose head is filled with husks? :rolleyes:
Boxcar
I was wondering the same thing. Tuesday is the official federal day of mourning, is it not? As if Bush wouldn't show up at Ford's funeral....give me a break.....
I'm sure Bush, Bush 1, Carter and Clinton will all be there on Tuesday....
Oh, I agree PA...no doubt all will be there, but Ding Harry will not!
Just found it interesting Sec would once agian omitt facts to make his case appear legit.
Derek! Nixon - nununununununh.
No forgiving Nixon - he was a POS and I hope he is burning in HELL.
A turd in a NY subway had more integrity than he did. There was no standard low enough that Nixon could not stand up to. The world is far better off without him in it.:mad::mad::mad:
I can forgive Ford - he meant well. Nixon never did anything that didn't benefit Nixon. The thing I remember most about the 70's was why didn't Squeaky take a shot at that dirt bag?
I was wondering the same thing. Tuesday is the official federal day of mourning, is it not? As if Bush wouldn't show up at Ford's funeral....give me a break.....
I'm sure Bush, Bush 1, Carter and Clinton will all be there on Tuesday....
I don't know. I thought the State Funeral with the 21 Gun Salute and so on, that took place on Saturday was something a Sitting President would attend rather than the VP. I'm not to familiar with protocol. It appears many people are ambivalent about his death. It definately appears the accidental President is getting the accidental Treatment. I have no particular affection for him. Bush was in Texas, maybe he should have gone instead of Cheney.
Bush did'nt go to Reagans either btw.
PaceAdvantage
01-01-2007, 07:14 PM
Bush did'nt go to Reagans either btw.
Huh?
What's this then?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:PresidentsWatchReaganCasketCarriedIntoCathed ral.jpg
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_funeral_of_Ronald_Reagan
Huh?
What's this then?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:PresidentsWatchReaganCasketCarriedIntoCathed ral.jpg
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_funeral_of_Ronald_Reagan
You should read what you post.
The casket was placed under the rotunda, where it lay in state on Abraham Lincoln (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abraham_Lincoln)'s catafalque (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catafalque). The Rev. Daniel Coughlin (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daniel_Coughlin), the House of Representatives' chaplain (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_House_of_Representatives_Chaplain), gave the invocation. Eulogies were delivered by Senate President pro tempore (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/President_pro_tempore_of_the_United_States_Senate) Ted Stevens (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ted_Stevens), House Speaker (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speaker_of_the_United_States_House_of_Representati ves) Dennis Hastert (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dennis_Hastert), and Vice President (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vice_President_of_the_United_States) Dick Cheney.[4] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_funeral_of_Ronald_Reagan#_note-3) Normally the service would have been presided over by the president, but Bush was hosting the G-8 Summit in Sea Island, Georgia.
PaceAdvantage
01-01-2007, 07:23 PM
Then you aren't talking about the funeral, which Bush did attend....
Bush attended Reagan's STATE FUNERAL:
State funeral
After the doors were closed to the public, Nancy Reagan had a moment alone with the casket, and then the casket departed for the funeral service. Crowds lined the route of the cortege as the hearse made its way to the Washington National Cathedral, where the funeral service would be held. As they had done during the previous few days, people waved American flags and applauded as Reagan made one final journey through Washington.
George H.W. ("][/url]
About 4,000 people gathered at the cathedral for the service, including President Bush and Laura Bush, his parents, former president [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_H.W._Bush) and Barbara Bush (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barbara_Bush_%28First_Lady%29), and the other former presidents and their wives—Gerald (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gerald_Ford) and Betty Ford (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Betty_Ford), Jimmy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jimmy_Carter) and Rosalynn Carter (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rosalynn_Carter), and Bill (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Clinton) and New York Democratic Senator Hillary Clinton (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hillary_Rodham_Clinton), members of Congress, and past and present governors.[7] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_funeral_of_Ronald_Reagan#_note-6)
Foreign dignitaries also attended and came from 165 nations. The dignitaries included 36 past and present heads of state and government, and U.N. Secretary General (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.N._Secretary_General) Kofi Annan (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kofi_Annan). Leading the dignitaries were Gorbachev, Margaret Thatcher (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Margaret_Thatcher), Brian Mulroney (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brian_Mulroney) and his wife, and Prince Charles (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles%2C_Prince_of_Wales) (representing Queen Elizabeth II (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elizabeth_II_of_the_United_Kingdom)). Many of the world leaders attending the service, including interim Afghan President Hamid Karzai (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamid_Karzai), and al-Yawer, had been at the G-8 Summit. Among them were Blair and his wife Cherie (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cherie_Blair), German Chancellor (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chancellor_of_Germany) Gerhard Schröder (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gerhard_Schr%C3%B6der), Italian Prime Minister (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prime_Minister_of_Italy) Silvio Berlusconi (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silvio_Berlusconi), and Jordan's King Abdullah (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abdullah_II_of_Jordan).
PaceAdvantage
01-01-2007, 07:31 PM
PS. My response was to this statement of yours:
I thought the State Funeral with the 21 Gun Salute and so on, that took place on Saturday was something a Sitting President would attend rather than the VP.
Thus I could only assume you were talking about State Funerals, which you then went on to say Bush did not show up for when Reagan died.
If we're suffering from major miscommunication here, let me be the first to apologize.
Oh, and here's another tidbit I found:
On Tuesday morning, Ford’s remains will rest outside the Senate chamber before a funeral service at Washington National Cathedral where Bush will deliver a eulogy.
I can only assume we're talking about two totally different things here....
PS. My response was to this statement of yours:
Thus I could only assume you were talking about State Funerals, which you then went on to say Bush did not show up for when Reagan died.
yes, I'm talking about the State Funeral for Former President Gerald Ford. It was Saturday night. He is now lying in state, and another Funeral service will take place tommorrow at a Church.
WASHINGTON - Incoming Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid will miss the state funeral for former President Gerald Ford at the Capitol Rotunda on Saturday night, opting instead to lead a delegation to South America with an expected stop at the Machu Picchu Inca ruins
PaceAdvantage
01-01-2007, 08:25 PM
OK, so then Tuesday is not going to be a state funeral? How confusing....
What about Reagan? Didn't the links clearly state that Bush attended Reagan's state funeral along with all the other living former Presidents?
OK, so then Tuesday is not going to be a state funeral? How confusing....
What about Reagan? Didn't the links clearly state that Bush attended Reagan's state funeral along with all the other living former Presidents?
Mike:
They're all Republicans anyway. Who cares??
:lol: :lol: :D
Ponyplayr
01-01-2007, 10:13 PM
Mike:
They're all Republicans anyway. Who cares??
:lol: :lol: :DSuff.. You Irish Bastard:lol: :lol: I'm thinking about inviting you and your wife to an Irish fest in the Bahamas this March. If I can arrange it would you be interested?
Suff.. You Irish Bastard:lol: :lol: I'm thinking about inviting you and your wife to an Irish fest in the Bahamas this March. If I can arrange it would you be interested?
I have no wife. Does your wife have a sister ( or daughter)preferably.:D
I assume its St. Patricks day? The 17th? It's a good day this year...A Saturday. I'm sure the Cops in NY and Boston are going to love that.
Yes, sure , I'll consider coming down. I was targeting the Florida Derby at Gulfstream but St. Paddy's in the Bahamas would be a better trip probably.
Classless is a sitting President not showing up for a former President of his own party's funeral.
Well, the point is moot. He was there today, delivered an excellent eulogy - very warm, from the heart.
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