Interesting point of view on torture by U.S.

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http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/story/0,,1970086,00.html

Routine and systematic torture is at the heart of America's war on terror


In the fight against cruelty, barbarism and extremism, America has embraced the very evils it claims to confront

George Monbiot
Tuesday December 12, 2006
The Guardian


After thousands of years of practice, you might have imagined that every possible means of inflicting pain had already been devised. But you should never underestimate the human capacity for invention. United States interrogators, we now discover, have found a new way of destroying a human being.

[Tom]

Is it really torture when you do it to a murdering animal?
That architect of 9-11 who was water boarded, and is sitll alive, un mutilated........people are concerned about HIM yet the thousand his ideas killed, the homes he destroyed.....just give me 5 minutes alone with the SOB...you can then re-write the book on sick things one can do to another.

[JustRalph]

Shame on him. There are 3000 Americans and more that will never hear anything, or see anything or be "socialized" ever again. He is better off than those victims. Info on Padilla is below. He actually traveled to Iraq. For those of you who think Iraq had no role in terrorist organizations......why the hell was this guy and others there?


Padilla traveled to Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Afghanistan, Pakistan, and Iraq. On his return, he was arrested by federal agents at Chicago's O'Hare International Airport on May 8, 2002, and held as a material witness on a warrant issued in the state of New York stemming from the September 11, 2001 attacks.

Padilla was "closely associated with al Qaeda, an international terrorist organization with which the United States is at war";
He had engaged in "war-like acts, including conduct in preparation for acts of international terrorism";
He had intelligence that could assist the United States in warding off future terrorist attacks; and
He was a continuing threat to American security.

[JPinMaryland]

.... He actually traveled to Iraq. For those of you who think Iraq had no role in terrorist organizations......why the hell was this guy and others there? Padilla traveled to Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Afghanistan, Pakistan, and Iraq. ...

Does this mean we should attack all those countries? Your mental process borders on the infantile.

[kenwoodallpromos]

"he (Padilla)"does not appreciate the nature and consequences of the proceedings against him, is unable to render assistance to counsel".
Appearantly other democracies like Britain are unfamiliar with the insanity defense; obviously Padilla's lawyer is.
This is a liberal attempt to weaken America and help terrorists escape justice-- better luck next try!

[JustRalph]

Does this mean we should attack all those countries? Your mental process borders on the infantile.

if that is what you draw from my post, you are just trying to be a prick. Mission accomplished............

[betchatoo]

Is it really torture when you do it to a murdering animal?
That architect of 9-11 who was water boarded, and is sitll alive, un mutilated........people are concerned about HIM yet the thousand his ideas killed, the homes he destroyed.....just give me 5 minutes alone with the SOB...you can then re-write the book on sick things one can do to another.

How about when you do it to someone who turns out to be innocent?

[Ponyplayr]

How about when you do it to someone who turns out to be innocent?
Hide the body.

[Suff]

"If certain acts of violation of treaties are crimes, they are crimes whether the United States does them or whether Germany does them, and we are not prepared to lay down a rule of criminal conduct against others which we would not be willing to have invoked against us." - Nuremberg Tribunal



Robert Houghwout Jackson was United States Attorney General (Gonzales Job) and an Associate Justice of the United States Supreme Court. He was also the chief United States prosecutor at the Nuremberg Trials


That's the Nuremburg trials where we tried, convicted and executed people for Torture. no?


Reference Padilla. He's mentally retarded and will be deemed unfit to stand any trial. That is of course if they ever charge him with a crime.



Niether here nor there....the article suggests alot more than Padilla's issues.

[PaceAdvantage]

Your mental process borders on the infantile.

Not a very effective debating tool.

[skate]

Is it really torture when you do it to a murdering animal?
That architect of 9-11 who was water boarded, and is sitll alive, un mutilated........people are concerned about HIM yet the thousand his ideas killed, the homes he destroyed.....just give me 5 minutes alone with the SOB...you can then re-write the book on sick things one can do to another.

im just hopeful you will not call him an SOB.
your career would be ruined.

[Tom]

How about when you do it to someone who turns out to be innocent?

I think based on who wo do it to and where we get them, it doesn't much matter. We aren't just grabbing people off the streets and beating them silly. Take Moussaoi, the 9-11 death pilot who didn't make it to his airplane. Suppose we tortured him to death and he really didn't know anythng. I say, "So what?"

But stuff like waterboarding - it doesn't kill or miam, it has already worked and prevented major atacks - so what if it 40% effective at best? We have to be 100% effective.

what bothers me most is how s many people rush right in to point why things won't work rather how to make them work.

[Tom]

Hide the body.:lol::lol::lol: