Double Standard

[cosmo96]

After watching the network news, I am appalled at the hatred and anger directed toward the Pope, and the Judeo/Christain religions. Personally, I do not see the Pope's quote as offensive. After all it was a quote, not a Papal statement. But, I am not a Muslim, and perhaps it was offensive to some. Be that as it may, the rage and anger directed toward Jews and Christains is staggering. What if Jews and Christains demanded death to Islam? I don't understand the anger and hatred of the Judeo/Christain world. Why are they getting away with statements that the Third Reich would condon?

[46zilzal]

hatred is taught, it doesn't come out of thin air.

[kenwoodallpromos]

Jesus was cast out by the Jews because he wanted to start a more liberal religion.
Mohammed started a fascist religion BECAUSE he was on outcast and wanted revenge and power over his enemies.
The following is from Wikipedia and claims to be from the Hadith:
"[edit] 622

[edit] September 9 — Migration to Medina
Muhammad preaching the Doctrines of Monotheism and the threat of the Day of Judgment, did not at first have much success in the city of Mecca. His tribe, the Quraysh, which was in charge of the Kaaba, persecuted and harassed him continuously, until an assassination attempt forced him to flee the city and migrate to Medina.


[edit] Arrival to Medina
After their arrival to Medina, 73 people pledged alligance to Muhamamd [1]. a list includes:

Abd-Allah ibn Rawahah [1]

[edit] Constitution of Medina
During the first year, Muhammad drew the Constitution of Medina, a treaty that concerns the rights and responsibilities of the Muslim, Jewish, and other Arab and tribal communities of Medina during the war between that city and its neighbours.


[edit] 623

[edit] 624

[edit] March 17 — Battle of Badr
The Battle of Badr fought was a key battle in the early days of Islam and a turning point in Muhammad's struggle with the Meccan Quraish[2]. The battle has been passed down in Islamic history as a decisive victory attributable to divine intervention or the genius of Muhammad.


[edit] Banu Qaynuqa
The Banu Qaynuqa were a Jewish tribe of pre-Islamic Arabia. They were among the first Jews that settled at Medina, and the most powerful of all the Jewish tribes of the peninsula before Islam. They formed a gild of goldsmiths. They had also a marketplace, known under the name "Market of the Banu Qaynuqa," which was the general marketplace of the city before Muhammad laid out the great marketplace. Besides this they possessed two strong castles in the north of Medina. After Muhammad had come to Medina, he endeavored to win all the Jews over to Islam. Failing in his efforts, he assumed a more threatening attitude and first declared war on the Banu Qaynuqa. They retired to their fortresses, but after a siege which lasted fifteen days, they surrendered. Mohammed put them in chains, and wished to have all the men executed. He was, however, persuaded to spare them on condition that they quitted the town, leaving their goods and chattels in the hands of the conquerors. Subsequently they settled in Adra'at and Qadi al-Qura in the north.


[edit] 625

[edit] March 23 — Battle of Uhud
The Battle of Uhud was fought between a small Muslim force and a force from Mecca. Uhud is near Medina. The Muslims had the worst of the encounter and retired after having lost some seventy-five men. However, the Meccans did not pursue the Muslims into Medina, but marched back to Mecca.

The encounter is generally regarded as a victory for the Meccans and a serious setback for the Muslims. Watt, in his 1956 account of the battle, disagrees; he concludes that while the Muslims did not win, the Meccans themselves had suffered some losses and did not feel strong enough to attack the Muslims in their stronghold. Since the Meccans had embarked on the venture with an eye to subduing the Muslims entirely, their mission had actually failed [3].


[edit] Expulsion of Banu Nadir to Khaybar
The Banu Nadir were one of the three main Jewish tribes living in Medina. Following some event, Muhammad expelled Banu Nadir from the city in 625 and confiscating their land. The tribe moved to the oasis of Khaybar where they would conflict in in 628


[edit] 626
Attack on Dumat al-Jandal: Syria


[edit] 627

[edit] Battle of the Trench
The Battle of the Trench was an attack by the city of Mecca on the city Medina in 627. The name "Battle of the Trench" comes from the fact that the Muslims dug a trench north of Medina to protect the city (Medina was naturally fortified on all other fronts). Although Mecca fielded a larger army it was unable to overcome the defenses.


[edit] Banu Qurayza
The Banu Qurayza were a Jewish tribe who lived in Medina. The bulk of the tribe's men, apart from a few who converted to Islam, were killed in 627 CE, following a siege mounted by Muslim inhabitants of Medina and immigrants from Mecca. This was because the Banu Qurayza had agreed to aid their Meccan enemies in their attack on Medina, which the Muslims had just repulsed in the Battle of the Trench.


[edit] Banu Kalb
Banu Kalb subjugation: Dumat al-Jandal


[edit] 628

[edit] Zaynab bint Jahsh
In 628, Muhammad married Zaynab bint Jahsh.


[edit] 6 AH, Dhu al-Qi'dah: Treaty of Hudaybiyyah
The Treaty of Hudaybiyyah was signed in 628. In 628 C.E. a group of 1,600 Muslims marched towards Mecca, in an attempt to perform the pilgrimage.

"Then he [Muhammad] marched till he reached al-Hudaybiyya which lies at the limit of the Haram [sacred territory of Mecca] area at a distance of nine miles from Mecca." [4]
The group was prepared with sacrificial animals, as they hoped that the Quraish would honour the Arabian custom of allowing unarmed pilgrims to enter the city. The Quraish, however, intercepted the Muslim party, well outside Mecca. By this time all of Arabia was aware of the military strength of the Muslims. Muhammad, the leader of the Muslims, was also desperate to avoid bloodshed in or near the holiest city of Islam. Therefore the two parties decided to resolve the matter through diplomacy, rather than warfare."

[Tom]

Didn't he run a "protection" racket in Mecca? :rolleyes:

[Suff]

After watching the network news, I am appalled at the hatred and anger directed toward the Pope, and the Judeo/Christain religions. Personally, I do not see the Pope's quote as offensive. After all it was a quote, not a Papal statement. But, I am not a Muslim, and perhaps it was offensive to some. Be that as it may, the rage and anger directed toward Jews and Christains is staggering. What if Jews and Christains demanded death to Islam? I don't understand the anger and hatred of the Judeo/Christain world. Why are they getting away with statements that the Third Reich would condon?

In 1988 the Pope gave a speech to The European Parliament. Mid Speech, Ian Paisley stood up and denounced the Pope as the Anti-Christ..., When they finally managed to quiet him down he held up placards describing the Pope as the Devil. Finally he tore into another rant of much the same and he was physically removed from the building. It all went down rather quietly, and was reelected to Represent the Protestant loyalists in Predominately Catholic Northern Ireland.

http://www.ianpaisley.org/

[bigmack]

Catholicism is riddled with symbolistic/power overabuse. Judaism has viablility but so few practice. Muslims are doomed. Buddists/Taoists are overly self-involved. Protestants believe and have a heck of potluck in the end.
P's win. End of story.

[delayjf]

Seems to me that the Muslim reaction to the Pope's comments - indicates the Pope was right

[Suff]

Seems to me that the Muslim reaction to the Pope's comments - indicates the Pope was right

#1. Forecasting human behavior is not an art, its a science.

#2. Manuel II Palaiologos was a scientific prognosticator. (if your right)

[Tom]

Seems to me that the Muslim reaction to the Pope's comments - indicates the Pope was right

Absolutley right.

What he should say to the muslems today is, "When you peple come to Christian nations, we allow you to practice your religions, we even bend over to accomoadate you. We allow you to try to convert Christians to islam, we do not try to stand in your way. We allow you to print material degratory to Christianity under freedom of speech and religion ideals for which we fight and die to protect. We apologize when we accidently offend you, even though we didn't mean it. We would never be allowed to do any of those thinks in a muslem nation. You would riot, kill us, behead us.
Yet you call islam a religion of peace. What the hell are you guys smoking??????